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Title: Here’s How General Electric (GE) Got Away With Paying Zero Taxes
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URL Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Here- ... heats-2926862183.html?x=0&.v=1
Published: Mar 25, 2011
Author: Trader Mark
Post Date: 2011-03-25 14:05:34 by Rek
Keywords: None
Views: 9711
Comments: 13

Here’s How General Electric (GE) Got Away With Paying Zero Taxes

Lost in the current political fuss about lowering the corporate tax from “35%” is the fact that corporate profits as a % of GDP are at record lows in the U.S. With armies of accountants (many former government officials) and tax havens across the globe our largest corporate citizens play games of “ Double Irish ” and “ Dutch Sandwich ” (what are these? see here), in between lobbying for loopholes galore in the U.S. tax system. Yes we do have socialism in America … but it’s mega corporate socialism. Who are the suckers actually paying 35%? Small business. This is why there is actually resistance on Capital Hill to changing the corporate farce that is the “35%” rate to something lower – because it’s nothing more than a talking point for our multinationals to whine about.

The New York Times (NYSE:NYT) has a fantastic expose on the nation’s largest welfare recipient corporation - General Electric (NYSE:GE) . I will give the CEO Jeffrey Immelt credit though – at least he admits what GE (NYSE:GE) does – here is a quote I’ve posted a few times the past few years on the site when discussing the “free market” in the U.S.:

It’s never been a free market; it’s never gonna be a free market. That’s just the way it is. The fact that I’d like GE to work in concert with where government policy is in the U.S. doesn’t mean that I’m a traitor or a bad guy, I think it’s just being practical that that’s gotta happen.

That quote speaks more to ‘winning’ business, but the NYT (NYSE:NYT) piece today focuses far more on the financials of the company. For example:

•General Electric (NYSE:GE), the nation’s largest corporation, had a very good year in 2010. The company reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States . •Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion . It all has become a bit of a farce – we’ve posted many stories on this subject ….who can forget the public housing companies who banked record profits due to the Greenspan/Berananke bubble – but lobbied to get all those taxes credited back during the downturn? When they did not get what they wanted, they rescinded lobbyist dollars …..and within weeks they got the legislation they demanded. Who says Congress can’t move fast? I believe it is called bribery in other countries, but we just call it “the political process”. I could go through a litany of examples in almost every industry, but I prefer to keep my breakfast down…

As speculators in the market – this is a ‘good thing’. After all paying a tiny fraction in taxes increases profits. So we can slap a PE ratio on that lightly taxed profit base and apply an appropriate price, which obviously would be much higher than if these corporations paid what was due under the spirit of the tax code. However, in terms of a $1.6T annual federal deficit … it’s not quite so bright of an outcome

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#1. To: Rek (#0)

Large, politically connected companies like GE can hire armies of lobbyists to get politicians to write targeted breaks in the tax code just for them. Can a small, innovative startup company do this? No.

This is a huge part of the problem.

We should cut the corporate tax rate in half and also get rid of all targeted tax breaks for politically favored entities like GE. That would do a long way towards reviving the economy.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-25   14:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: jwpegler (#1)

While everything you say here is true, JW...the fact remains corporations don't actually pay taxes, their respective customers do via higher prices to allow for the taxes.

Except, of course, if its a government contract, which is GE's bread and butter.

Atascadero sure has a large number of idiots (laughing my ass off)

Badeye  posted on  2011-03-25   15:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Badeye (#2) (Edited)

the fact remains corporations don't actually pay taxes, their respective customers do via higher prices to allow for the taxes.

Corporate taxes can come from four places:

A.) Higher prices passed on to consumers
B.) Lower compensation to employees
C.) Lower profits to investors
D.) Lower investments in research, development, and business expansion

The combination that actually occurs, depends on:

A.) The competitive nature of the specific market
B.) The competitive nature of the skills needed by the business


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-25   15:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#3)

I don't see the breakout as you do. They simply charge more to the end user. The rest? Subjective at best.

Bottom line remains 'we the people' pay corporation's assigned taxes, no matter how you sub divide it.

Atascadero sure has a large number of idiots (laughing my ass off)

Badeye  posted on  2011-03-25   15:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Badeye (#4) (Edited)

I don't see the breakout as you do.

Probably because you never actually ran a business sizable business.

They simply charge more to the end user.

If businesses are in a competitive market they cannot just simply charge more, because the end user will stop buying. So, they have to find the money somewhere else.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-25   15:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jwpegler (#5)

Probably because you never actually ran a business sizable business.

Well...it isn't a Fortune 500 company, not by a long shot. But it is in the millions per year, or was before the 07 downturn, and then the disaster that is the Pelosi/Reid/Owe-bama economy.

But I'm eatin....lol

Not bad for two guys drawin up a business plan on a dining room table in November of 97.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-03-25   17:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Badeye (#6)

And you can arbitrary raise prices to you customers anytime you want? Must be nice. I can't do that because I am in a very competitive market. My costs are going up an my rates have remained flat. ditto for my wife's business. Neither of us have raised rates since we started our businesses two years ago. We'd both lose customers if we did.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-25   17:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: jwpegler, All (#7)

The Great Thing about LF is that you can tell the Exact ZeitGeist of the USSA.

And GE-GENERAL ELECTRIC right smack dab in the Middle.

LMFAO 8D

And that there is a Media Blackout of the Greatest Story in 500 years.

6 Tchernobyls turning Tokyo into a graveyard, ripping the USSA's Best Colony away and handing it to China, and eliminating the USSA's hold on E Asia.

And fueling the MENA, which will eliminate the USSA's Empire there.

"Unless and until there's a D-Day like quality to this, we're just waiting for Organized Crime and Total De Population of Tokyo North.

"Ride the Lightening.

Yee Haw!!!!

Confirmation this AM from NBC's 'Pretty Lady' "Breaking", reading EXACTLY what was posted here 24 hrs ago.

The USSA MSM is on a 24 hr Time Delay PLUS NEWS BLACKOUT

I used to think they had a plan.

Now I'm looking at Yakusa, Japan Organized Crime Family for Action.

"http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/

http://abcnews.go.com/Internatio...e-plant/story?id=13218997

A senior nuclear executive was quoted by the New York Times as saying, "There is a definite, definite crack in the vessel -- it's up and down and it's large." The executive told the Times that the crack runs down the side of the reactor vessel below the water level and that the reactor has been leaking fluids and gases.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-03-26   9:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: jwpegler (#7)

And you can arbitrary raise prices to you customers anytime you want? Must be nice. I can't do that because I am in a very competitive market.

Raise prices? Who said THAT? We did the exact opposite. I'll guess you came to this erroneous conclusion based on my noting we increased our bottom line profit margin. It wasn't via a price hike, rather it was from fine tuning.

My 'market' is as competitive as any in the world, JW.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-03-28   10:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Badeye (#9)

Who said THAT?

You did. You said if government raised your taxes, you'd just pass it on to your customers.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-28   11:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jwpegler (#10)

If you are a business owner, you don't have any choice.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-03-28   13:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Badeye (#11)

If you are a business owner, you don't have any choice.

Completely wrong.

You can take less profit, hold off on making needed capital purchases, cut employee benefits, etc.

As I said initially, the combination will be based on the competitive nature of customer the market you are in and the competitive nature of the labor market you are in.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-28   15:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: jwpegler (#12)

Completely wrong.

You can take less profit, hold off on making needed capital purchases, cut employee benefits, etc.

Duh. And then after you do this (we did) and the economy continues to tank, but taxes continue to rise...you do what?

Sheesh.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-03-28   16:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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