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Title: Who's in charge? Germans pull forces out of NATO as Libyan coalition falls apart
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Daily Mail
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... yan-coalition-falls-apart.html
Published: Mar 23, 2011
Author: Daily Mail Reporter
Post Date: 2011-03-23 09:12:31 by Happy Quanzaa
Keywords: Obama-doma-ding-dong
Views: 15479
Comments: 41
Deep divisions between allied forces currently bombing Libya worsened today as the German military announced it was pulling forces out of NATO over continued disagreement on who will lead the campaign. A German military spokesman said it was recalling two frigates and AWACS surveillance plane crews from the Mediterranean, after fears they would be drawn into the conflict if NATO takes over control from the U.S. The infighting comes as a heated meeting of NATO ambassadors yesterday failed to resolve whether the 28-nation alliance should run the operation to enforce a U.N.-mandated no-fly zone, diplomats said. Yesterday a war of words erupted between the U.S. and Britain after the U.K. government claimed Muammar Gaddafi is a legitimate target for assassination. U.K. government officials said killing the Libyan leader would be legal if it prevented civilian deaths as laid out in a U.N. resolution. But U.S. defence secretary Robert Gates hit back at the suggestion, saying it would be 'unwise' to target the Libyan leader adding cryptically that the bombing campaign should stick to the 'U.N. mandate'. President Barack Obama, seeking to avoid getting bogged down in a war in another Muslim country, said on Monday Washington would cede control of operations against Muammar Gaddafi's forces within days, handing the reins over to NATO. But Germany and European allies remain unwilling to have NATO take on a military operation that theoretically has nothing to do with the defence of Europe. Today the German defence ministry announced Berlin had pulled out of any military operations in the Mediterranean. A ministry spokesman said two frigates and two other ships with a crew of 550 would be reverted to German command. Some 60 to 70 German troops participating in NATO-operated AWACS surveillance operations in the Mediterranean would also be withdrawn, according to the ministry. Berlin isn't participating in the operation to impose a no-fly zone in Libya and abstained on the U.N. resolution authorising it. France, which launched the initial air strikes on Libya on Saturday, has argued against giving the U.S.-led NATO political control over an operation in an Arab country, while Turkey has called for limits to any alliance involvement. In a bid to halt the embarrassing bickering, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe today proposed a new war committee to oversee operations. The new body, Mr Juppe said, would bring together foreign ministers of participating states - such as Britain, France and the U.S. - as well as the Arab League. Meanwhile the head of the Italian Senate's defence affairs committee, Gianpiero Cantoni, said the original French anti-NATO stance was motivated by a desire to secure oil contracts with a future Libyan government. Some allies are even questioning whether a no-fly zone is still necessary, given the damage already done by air strikes to Gaddafi's military capabilities. Speaking about yesterday's hastily arranged meeting of NATO allies, one diplomat said: 'The meeting became a little bit emotional,' before adding that France had argued that the coalition led by Britain, the United States and France should retain political control of the mission, with NATO providing operational support, including command-and-control capabilities. 'Others are saying NATO should have command or no role at all and that it doesn't make sense for NATO to play a subsidiary role,' the diplomat added. Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu suggested that air strikes launched after a meeting in Paris hosted by France on Saturday had gone beyond what had been sanctioned by a U.N. Security Council resolution. 'There are U.N. decisions and these decisions clearly have a defined framework. A NATO operation which goes outside this framework cannot be legitimised,' he told news channel CNN Turk. Adding pressure to the already fractured alliance, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini has also reiterated a warning that Italy would take back control of airbases it has authorised for use by allies for operations over Libya unless a NATO coordination structure was agreed. In a shock admission, U.K. ministers have admitted the intervention in Libya could last for up to '30 years'. Asked for an estimate, British Armed Forces Minister Nick Harvey said: 'How long is a piece of string? We don't know how long this is going to go on. 'We don't know if this is going to result in a stalemate. We don't know if his capabilities are going to be degraded quickly. Ask me again in a week.' In the U.S., Obama has made it clear he wants no part of any leadership role in Libya. The President has already been criticised for continuing with a tour of Latin America as the military operation over Libya began. And yesterday he insisted again that while Gaddafi must go, the U.S. is not prepared to remove him by force, but merely to enforce the no-fly zone. 
• Tensions with Britain as Gates rebukes UK government over suggestion Gaddafi could be assassinated
• French propose a new political 'committee' to oversee operations
• Germany pulls equipment out of NATO coalition over disagreement over campaign's direction
• Italians accuse French of backing NATO in exchange for oil contracts
• No-fly zone called into question after first wave of strikes 'neutralises' Libyan military machine
• U.K. ministers say war could last '30 years'
• Italy to 'take back control' of bases used by allies unless NATO leadership put in charge of the mission
• Russians tell U.S. to stop bombing in order to protect civilians - calls bombing a 'crusade'
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#3. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
Who's your Daddy? 8D Since there's not one God Damn word about the 6 Chernobyls in our Used To Be Bestest Colony ever: ") Information regarding temperatures at the most critical reactors has not been provided. The really great thing about nuclear is that it can not be hidden. At all. nothing about nuclear post 31111 matches anything the USSA MSM was saying pre 031111. But judging by the posts here at TPF, the AgitProp seems to be working. Until it doesn't. Here's just a sample I've pulled together this AM, and, believe me, I had to work to get it. You're welcome. "“While we haven’t reached the point where we can say we’ve gotten out of this crisis situation, it can be said that we can see the light at the end of the tunnel,” Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan said at a meeting of his crisis response team in Tokyo yesterday. " Neutron bursts mean there are very bad things going on inside there. Ther are very few options: Spent fuel has been going critical. Fuel material has somehow leaked from the containment and is going critical outside the containment for short periods containment is cracked and cracks are opening and closing with the heat fluctuation enough that neutron "beams" are projecting from the cracks. "on the day when it gets too hot to stay, it will be impossible to leave." " YOU ONLY GET NEUTRON BEAMS DURING FISSION OF PLUTONIUM / URANIUM. THAT MEANS PLUTONIUM / URANIUM IS BEING RELEASED. NOT JUST CESIUM OR IODINE. Anonymous Coward User ID: 1272424 United States 3/23/2011 9:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Re: BREAKING****Neutron beam observed 13 times at crippled Fukushima nuke plant Quote [+] # Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday it has observed a neutron beam, a kind of radioactive ray, 13 times on the premises of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant after it was crippled by the massive March 11 quake-tsunami disaster. [link to english.kyodonews.jp] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1229673 Isn't that what happens right before Godzilla makes an appearance ?" Pick out the lie in the quotes above. LMFAO
" Neutron bursts mean there are very bad things going on inside there. Ther are very few options: Spent fuel has been going critical.... Fuel material has somehow leaked from the containment and is going critical outside the containment for short periods. Define "critical," as it applies to nuclear power. Then explain to me how the fuel can go critical- EVER- without a moderator. What is the moderator, in this case, especially if the water boiled off? Are you referring to fast-neutron absorption? If yes, then how exactly is the miniscule percentage of fast-neutrons absorptions- without a moderator- capable of sustaining a chain reaction? How exactly do you "observe" a neutron beam? How do you measure it? WHO measured it? You said you worked hard on getting this information... You didn't any "information," you got a bunch of nonsensical shit, from a bunch of guys who don't have a friggin' clue about the subject.
Define this: Neutron Burst. Truth replaced by Silence is Evil. We have yet to here the words 'Neutron Burst' from our Talking Heads. And we got Evil all over the USSA MSM now. Epic Fail. Reactors 5 & 6 now going critical. " The firm also said it found both iodine-131 and cesium-137 in a sample taken from near the drain outlets of the plant's No. 5 and No. 6 reactors that stabilized Sunday in so-called ''cold shutdown.'-Tepco/Kyodo 6 Tchernobyls all in a row. Wonder if the US EMbassy has moved to Osaka yet. ;}
Neutron Burst. Truth replaced by Silence is Evil. We have yet to here the words 'Neutron Burst' from our Talking Heads. And we got Evil all over the USSA MSM now. Epic Fail. Epic fail, indeed. I asked you a couple of simple questions, and I have yet to see (in not one, but THREE replies) a single answer. So, I will ask again: Define "critical," as it applies to nuclear power. Then explain to me how the fuel can go critical- EVER- without a moderator. What is the moderator, in this case, especially if the water boiled off? Are you referring to fast-neutron absorption? If yes, then how exactly is the miniscule percentage of fast-neutrons absorptions- without a moderator- capable of sustaining a chain reaction? Yes, you DO fail. Oh, and I'm not affiliated with GE in any way. But I am extremely familiar with their fuel cell designs. Which, of course, is why I know this whole thing is "much ado about nothing." Now, answer the questions I posed.
And you can stop with the first one. I don't go past your first fallacy. Like how long does bottled water last for 36 million? And caring christian capitalists around? LMFAO 21st Century Intelligence Test. Your government has just announced that the tap water in your local municipality (of 36 million) has been poisoned due to a radiation leak at a nearby nuclear power plant. This level is unsafe for infants, and possibly other living organisms which are made from infants. You should: a) Go buy bottled water. b) Wait for the Ministry of Thermal Redaction to raise the safe limit to levels in excess of the current taint. c) LEAVE TOWN NOW BEFORE THE PANIC DRIVEN WAVE OF IRADIATED CANNIBALISM AND GENERAL MAYHEM BEGINS. d) BTFD
Only a moron like you would deem subatomic physics to be a "fallacy." Had you any knowledge of the subject, you might have at least attempted some semblance of an answer. That you didn't, and instead attack the entire field of subatomic physics, precisely confirms my point: you don't know DICK about the subject. Now, STFU, you feckless little shit.
Where in Subatomic Physics pre 031111 do they say, "And then we start putting Seawater into the Cooling System." Just so Sick Funny. OR "The Hydrogen Explosion in #1-4 were to be expected." Or "#5,6 not involved in any damage have begun leaking Cesium and Iodine." Or, "March, 26, 2011 Radiation pouring into the sea, only thing I can think of is maybe the core is burning through the container now." And a 24 News Delay by the USSA MSM plus a Heavy News Filter, 'Not as bad as yesterday BS comment.
#38. To: mcgowanjm (#33)
Explain to me exactly how that happens? How does radiation POUR anywhere? God, you are such a fucking DUPE, you're just a joke. You'll post commentary all day long, on all matter of subjects... even when it's clear that you can't find your ASS-HOLE with both hands, and a set of written instructions... Since you didn't answer my questions- which would have given an indication that you have SOME idea of the subject matter- you'll stay on bozo. You and yukko the flaccid little clown, can talk smack all day, where nobody gives a shit what you think. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd at least be impressive. But you're just another brain-dead dope, slurping up the pap from the MSM, believing every fucking statement they make. The only comfort I have, is knowing that the "Greater Depression" will weed out the genetically substandard like you.
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#9. To: mcgowanjm (#3)
Here's just a sample I've pulled together this AM, and, believe me, I had to work to get it....
BREAKING****Neutron beam observed 13 times at crippled Fukushima nuke plant
#10. To: Capitalist Eric, All (#9)
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#17. To: mcgowanjm (#10)
To: Capitalist Eric, All Define this:
#19. To: Capitalist Eric (#17)
#31. To: mcgowanjm (#19)
And you can stop with the first one. I don't go past your first fallacy.
#33. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)
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Replies to Comment # 33. Radiation pouring into the sea...
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