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Title: Hey Japan...Got Looting?
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The Looking Spoon
URL Source: http://thelookingspoon.com/blog/2250-tsunami-japan-got-looting.html
Published: Mar 14, 2011
Author: Jared H. McAndersen
Post Date: 2011-03-14 22:21:20 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 19452
Comments: 42
Apparently not. And solidarity seems especially strong in Japan itself. Perhaps even more impressive than Japan’s technological power is its social strength, with supermarkets cutting prices and vending machine owners giving out free drinks as people work together to survive. Most noticeably of all, there has been no looting, and I’m not the only one curious about this. More at The Telegraph I'm not that curious. I've never been to Japan, I don't know anything about it beyond they make my Playstation 3 work, and looking at it go you'd think a nuclear reactor powers it, so I have high hopes that they'll fix their power plant reactors because they've got enough experience with that stuff. I also have high hopes because I live on the west coast, and I don't want any of the fallout coming here, but I digress... GOT KAMIKAZE? I'm not curious because I do know that culture is full of VERY hard workers. People who work hard for what they own have pride in it, and respect for what's not theirs. More than this they have pride in themselves....A LOT of pride...sometimes it's a little too much pride. In other words, I'm willing to bet Japanese culture doesn't suffer welfare queens gladly. Also, they read from right to left...so maybe WE really are the backwards culture I don't know, I could be wrong. Whatever the case may be people all over the world, especially in places like Greece, should take note of what dignitiy looks like.
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So do Arabic readers. Thus, Islami people are more advanced, yes?
I think maybe his point is since the Greeks acted just like the teachers in Wisconsin they have no dignity, or integrity for that matter.... Maybe one "Socialist" (as you put it) society can teach another "Socialist" society a few lessons in things such as Pride, Integrity, Honesty, Dignity, Responsibility, etc, etc, etc. I know its not a big thing to most idiotic socialists, (or Democrats) but it sure looks like it means something to the Japanese!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
The history of Israel started quite a bit with the Kibbutz movement which stemmed from socialist idealism. Which doesn't stop Stone from reflexively giving a free pass to anything that problematic country does. If one is going to try to slander teachers in Wisconsin for working to protect a basic right all workers should have to collective bargaining by drawing questionable corrilations to other peoples, then you make the socialistic influences that make the Israeli people what they are fair game for discussion.
whole towns have been destroyed, along with it most of their population, there's nothing "too" loot. half a million in shelters now.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Slander????? Both of them did the same thing, acted like fools......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
This is true, but this is also a culture that reflexively says in Japanese, "Excuse me, but I am going to make a nusance of myself" everytime the do something in public that influences those around them. It would be a very unJapanese thing to do to loot.
I guess I now owe you $20, he did accuse me of lying!!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
By protesting? Why do you so called right wing ding bats hate protests? Sons Of Liberty dressed as Indians and looted a British vessel of its tea. They had "no dignity, or integrity" either?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Values and culture. The Japanese stress self reliance and do not have a culture of entitlement demanding a free ride. That and it is a single culture, i.e. no multiculturalism.
Well, [W.A-R.'s] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
So how did they allow themselves to get into such massive debt (192% of GDP, 2nd highest in the world behind Zimbabwe).
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
The Greeks were protesting about their "freebies" being cut, hence trying to ensure that eventually they and their children would be royally screwed when their government went bankrupt...being selfish..... It's all about me, not my children)!!!! The teachers protesting to keep their "freebies", hence trying to ensure they would loose their jobs when the government went bankrupt. This accomplishes what for their children?????? being selfish..... (It's all about me, not my children or others children)!!!! The Tea party was a protest about personal "freedom", hence trying to ensure that they, their children and everbody else in the country would have the opportunity to have a good life. not being selfish...... (its about everybody not just me)!!!! So how does "not" being "morally corrupt" equate to having no integrity or dignity?????? I guess some people have no problems whatsoever about being a moral POS!!!! Isn't that called Liberalism!!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
What does Greece have to do with a 9.0 Japanese earthquake????? Also, Japan has an extensive and expensive social welfare culture and they are more in debt than Greece is per GDP. The author - a right wing kook it seems - is trying to make that the Japanese are Tea PArty Republicans or something. Try taking away a Japanese social program and see what happens in Japan. Ever see a Japanese riot? I have. Not as scary as Koreans rioters but pretty scary.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The article was pointing out how the Japanese value higher moral standards than the Greeks..... nothing more nothing less...... read between the lines if you must. The Japanese value and respect their elders because of the wisdom they provide, and do what they can to take care of them as such. They are not "disposable" there as they seem to be here (hence ObamaCare). So if they like a welfare system that helps the elders then so be it, it's their culture not mine...... So what was the riot about????? Making sure the Liberals left town?????
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
It's a stupid analogy. I doubt the blogger can find either nation on a map. PS: I am pretty sure Greeks value their elders too and both are low crime nations but one has 10 million the other is at 100 million and an industrial giant. One is European the other is Asian. What idiot would compare the two?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Maybe, maybe not it's all about perception..... I would just imagine he would think the same thing about your opinions of the teachers unions..... El burro sabe mas que tu
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
The teacher's union protest was praised by the police for their civility and good behavior and they cleaned up after themselves - no looting and no destruction of property. So why bring them up in a discussion of looting?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Low moral behavior...... like the Greeks....... So why do pictures of the capital show a different story, estimated at $7 million in damages. No looting but low moral behavior!!!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Old disinformation. The new estimate is $347,500 - less than the $500,000 the liars first claimed it would cost just to evaluate the "damage". While urging a judge to scale back protests, a state Department of Administration official said the state Capitol sustained $7.5 million in damage. State officials could not immediately provide a basis for the number, and later backtracked from it. The new estimate: $347,500, some 20 times less than the original one. And there are indications that even that could be high. As for low moral behavior... The protesters "have adopted an ownership ethic in the building, treating it with the utmost care and respect," wrote Jason Tish, executive director of the Madison Trust for Historic Preservation and a local field representative for the National Trust for Historic Preservation. He called the demonstrators "evangelistic about their respect for the building." "Handwritten signs on glass display cases, rest room doors and granite pillars demand care, cleanliness, and respect for the building they call ‘Our house.’ High humidity and salt and dirt residue may add to the cumulative impact on floors and painted surfaces, but any damage to the building is unintended," he wrote. You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
If so then why is it damaged????? Excerpt from a Canadian newspaper: Not only are they ripping off Wisconsin’s taxpayers through their lavish salaries, pensions, and benefits, now government employees and their supporters are causing even more expenses born by Wisconsin’s working poor and middle classes because they have caused $7.5 million in damages with their protests at the Wisconsin State capitol building in Madison. According to reporting by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel the damages to the capitol and its grounds have been estimated at $7.5 million. Cari Anne Renlund, chief legal counsel for the state Department of Administration, said in Dane County court that estimates of damage to marble includes $6 million to repair damaged marble inside the Capitol, $1 million for damage outside and $500,000 for costs to supervise the damage. I don’t know about you but I think that the State of Wisconsin should send the repair bill to the Wisconsin Teachers unions as well as the National Education Association.
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
So I guess my next question is how would you feel if somebody broke into your house, stayed for a week, trashed it and then on the way out the door said "Chinga tu Madre". What would you say to them.... "Did you have a good time, come back again". I kinda doubt that, but then again I don't know you personally!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Calling Canada Free Press a newspaper is like calling Andy Martin a journalist. I'm not surprised you didn't link your quote to its source. The state, itself, back way off the $7.5 million estimate.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
What would you say to them.... "Did you have a good time, come back again". Really bad analogy, try again.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Why? It's what happened in Wisconsin!!!!!! They weren't invited there, they went there anyway and trashed the place (irrelevant of the cost) and basically threatened some of their lives..... So how is it a bad analogy.... or is it I because I left the threatened part out before????? Or are you really saying you don't mind people not having any morals?????
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
stores are stripped bare, folks are starving. Their culture is going to be tested shortly.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Liberalism teaches the exact opposite. Which, of course, is how come we end up with union parasites.
Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai" Why? It's what happened in Wisconsin!!!!!! They weren't invited there, they went there anyway and trashed the place (irrelevant of the cost) and basically threatened some of their lives..... So how is it a bad analogy.... or is it I because I left the threatened part out before????? Or are you really saying you don't mind people not having any morals????? They don't have to be invited, the Wisconsin State Constitution says they have a right to be there, its their capitol; not to mention their taxes pays for and maintains it. Your moral compass is grossly out of adjustment.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Liberalism teaches the exact opposite. Japan has a first rate socialist health care system, and they hold the non-productive elderly in high esteem.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Your moral compass is grossly out of adjustment. Ok fine we will fight on your level for a second then..... Just because they "Supposedly have the "right" to be there does that give them the "right" to trash the place and threaten its occupants with bodily harm?????? (Isn't there laws against that sort of thing)??? If you say yes then you just proved my point..... Liberals have no morals!!!! So whos compass is really broken????? Or did then even issue you one????
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
What they don't have is several generations of liberal whiners who demand life be handed to them or a multicultural society who thinks the present owes the past and demands free government handouts, depleting the government purse.
Well, [W.A-R.'s] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
How do you know the Capitol was trashed, who told you? What if that's a lie? I'm old and my memory ain't what it used to be, but didn't I quote and post a link to this for your edification before? Damage by protesters to the Wisconsin state Capitol will cost $7.5 million to repair. Twice in his memo, Stephans said he’s providing an "educated guess" about the repair costs. But the memo was not operative for long. The same day, the state provided a different memo, from Peter Maternowski, deputy administrator of the Division of State Facilities. It was written that day, addressed to Huebsch. That memo said the cleanup would cost $347,500 if the work did not require a historic preservation specialist. That’s 20 times less than the original claim. Among other things, the budget-priced memo said Stephans’ estimates included restoring portions of the building to way they were in 2001, after the major rehab project was done. That sounds like a lot of work for painter tape removal. By March 7, 2011, the Department of Administration reported that all signs and banners in the Capitol had been removed. Some of the signs are being considered for preservation by the Wisconsin Historical Society or the Smithsonian Institution. Tish, the preservationist/blogger, returned for a look that same day. "The extent of what I saw today is just chips and nicks -- cosmetic damage," he said in an interview. "I don’t see how they (protesters) could have conducted themselves any better." Tish said the building bore the signs of the "accelerated cumulative effects of lots of people going through the building. I saw no intentional damage." snip While urging a judge to scale back protests, a state Department of Administration official said the state Capitol sustained $7.5 million in damage. State officials could not immediately provide a basis for the number, and later backtracked from it. The new estimate: $347,500, some 20 times less than the original one. And there are indications that even that could be high. This smells like an effort to pour gas on the anti-protester fire. The claim was ridiculously high. And that gets a Pants on Fire rating. www.politifact.com/wiscon...cleaning-state-capitol-w/ Here's another: Nick Carnahan, a Wisconsin native, does architectural work on renovations and restorations of historic buildings, including one recent project on a federal building that involved marble repair. Carnahan, who is familiar with the Capitol but has not visited it in recent days because he lives in Seattle, noted that the $7.5 million estimate cited would be enough to pay several skilled laborers to do cleanup for years. "The numbers that came out yesterday from the state just didn't make any sense at all," he said. "It just seemed very exaggerated." www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/117409458.html The protesters were using Blue Painters Tape; here's why: 3M 2090 Scotch Blue Painters Tape is a type of masking tape that removes cleanly without adhesive transfer or surface damage for up to 14 days - even when exposed to direct sunlight. It is a medium adhesion masking tape that is ideal for: * Painted walls and trim, www.pearsondistributing.c...Masking_Tape_p/3m2090.htm Those who would like to see the citizens of Wisconsin managed like a flock of sheep use hyperbole like "trash the place" when no such thing occurred; "While urging a judge to scale back protests, a state Department of Administration official said the state Capitol sustained $7.5 million in damage."
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Bodily harm?????? Hmm - here's an account of a politician being followed by protesters yelling "shame, shame". webcache.googleuserconten...eaten+bodily+harm&ct=clnk No violence there. Perhaps you would post a link to an account of threats from a credible source. I wouldn't be surprised if there have been threats just because crazy people are out there, and those should be dealt with appropriately, however everything I've read, with indicates that the protesters have made every effort to see that that stuff doesn't happen. If you say yes then you just proved my point..... Liberals have no morals!!!! Spoken like a Dittohead. So whos compass is really broken????? Or did then even issue you one???? "He who tells the biggest lie commits the greater sin."
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Even though they got out to Tea Party protest - the Archie Bunker right wing hates doing so because it reminds them of 1960s hippies or some such. They view protesting as "leftist" and in fact during the Tea Party rallies the organizers openly stated they were copying leftist protest models. Now that the Tea Party crowd has faded (where are the ongoing rallies?) the Archie Bunker right wing reverts to form.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
So how have those "conservative" values been working for Japan over the last decade or so?
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Even when the Koch brothers supply the "Archie Bunker right" with a custom tour bus to tour in support of Walker, they can't stir up much interest. La Crosse Tribune - Hundreds turn out at pro-Walker event -- some in support, more to protest: Several hundred protesters chanted and waved signs Saturday night outside the Radisson Hotel. Inside, about 100 people in a meeting room heard state Sen. Dan Kapanke, Samuel "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher and others express their support for Gov. Scott Walker... "I think (Walker) is basically sending Wisconsin over the cliff with what he is doing," said former La Crosse County Circuit Judge Roger LeGrand of La Crosse. He also is acting chairman of the Wisconsin Tax Appeals Commission, which decides disputes between taxpayers and the state Department of Revenue. You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Thank you, you proved my point you defended them...... I've seen the "pictures" of their mess, you saying they have been faked!!!! Do you consider Huffington Post credible or just another liars website, your choice........ www.huffingtonpost.com/le...han/shame-ignoring-death- thre_b_835805.html
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Please do share. You link doesn't work.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
So copy and paste.......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
THE HUFFINGTON POST NYT JOURNALISTS MISSING IN LIBYA. Washington Post Apologizes For 'Substantial' Plagiarism In Two Stories. Media Outlets Ask For More Access In John Edwards Sex Tape Case. Legendary Radio Host Says He's Retiring. Beck's Fill-In Matches His Ratings. Man Jailed For Death Threats Against NPR Hosts. Diane Sawyer's Shocking Japan Photos. Radiation Found On Lester Holt, NBC Crew In Japan. Diane Sawyer Leaves Japan As Nuclear Crisis Continues. WATCH: The Best '60 Minutes' Guest Walk-Offs. Lee Stranahan.Filmmaker, Writer, Photographer Posted: March 15, 2011 01:31 PM BIO Become a Fan Get Email Alerts Bloggers' Index .Shame: Ignoring Death Threats to Wisconsin Politicians Is Media Bias Shame: Ignoring Death Threats to Wisconsin Politicians Is Media Bias Three questions for you. 1.Do you think of Republicans and the Tea Party as dangerous, violent extremists? 2.Do you think the Wisconsin protests over GOP Governor Scott Walker's move to strip public sector employees of collective bargaining were peaceful? 3.Do you scoff at the right wing notion that mainstream media like the New York Times, the TV networks and NPR have a liberal media bias against the conservatives? If you answered 'yes' to all three of those questions, then let me ask you one more... Why isn't the mainstream media talking about the death threats against Republican politicians in Wisconsin? Try to set aside whatever biases or preconceptions you might have for a moment and ask yourself why death threats against politicians aren't considered national news, especially in the wake of the all too fresh shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and other bystanders. And there hasn't just been one death threat, but a number of them. Here's an example and it's real. According to Wisconsin State Department of Justice, authorities have found a suspect who admitted to sending the following email: I want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and your republican dictators have to die. This is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, this isn't enough. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message. So we have built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) the 8 of you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. The 8 includes the 7 senators and the dictator. We feel that it's worth our lives becasue we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. Goodbye ASSHOLE!!!! After the Giffords shooting, authorities have to take this sort of threat seriously. The media should too, even if the disturbed person who sent that email was motivated by exactly the kind of rhetoric that's been used by many liberals against GOP officials over and over again during the Madison protests. And there are more threats floating around the internet, in varying degrees of scary and credible. If you read liberal blogs, you might have heard of some of these threats. Indirectly, anyway. Sarah Palin said the rhetoric should be toned down. The threats themselves were ignored and Palin was mocked. On the other hand, if you read conservative blogs or listen to conservative media, you know all about these threats because people like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh and websites like Newsbusters and BigJournalism have not only been talking about the death threats for days now but they've been talking about the mainstream and liberal media ignoring the threats for days. Ignoring the story of these threats is deeply, fundamentally wrong. It's bad, biased journalism that will lead to no possible good outcome and progressives should be leading the charge against it. Just before writing this article, I did a Google search and it's stunning to find out that the right wing media really isn't exaggerating -- proven death threats against politicians are being ignored by the supposedly honest media. If you've never agreed with a single thing that Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly et al have said about anything, you can't in any good conscience say that they don't have a point here. Death threats are wrong and if a story like Wisconsin is national news for days, then so are death threats. I'm in an odd position. In the last few months, I've had one foot in the left wing news stream and one foot in the right. My media duality began when conservative publisher Andrew Breitbart hired me to work with him on the Pigford 'black farmers' settlement story. I'm a pro-choice, pro-single payer, anti-war, pro-gay rights independent liberal with years of work in print and film backing those positions. Breitbart hired me to bring a different perspective to the non-partisan issue of corruption in Pigford. Since then, I've written both here for the left-leaning Huffington Post and at Breitbart's right leaning BigGovernment.com. I've ended up reading a lot more conservative sites and dealing firsthand with a lot more conservatives than any time since I attended a high school dedicated to the principles of Ayn Rand about 30 years ago. Unlike many on the left, I didn't view the Wisconsin battle as the end of days. I wasn't convinced that I had a dog in that hunt, in part because I think there's a strong case to be made those public employees shouldn't have the same collective bargaining rights as private sector workers -- a case made well by Franklin D. Roosevelt, who said... "All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress." Roosevelt's statement makes sense to me; it does seem that public employees are different than private. I'm not at all anti-union. (I've publicly supported unionizing the visual effects industry, for example.) I'm open to a good rational argument against the case FDR made but in discussions on Twitter and elsewhere, all I got in response from people on the left was anger and insults. I saw little light and felt much heat. That tone of extreme hostility I experienced brings me back to the death threats in Wisconsin. Frankly, the bile and invective in that threat reminded me of the tone I saw directed at me from many so-called liberals because I committed the heresy of taking a different position from them on the issue of collective bargaining for public sector employees... based on something FDR said. Is this really what liberalism has come to in 2011? Since working with Breitbart, my position on political issues hasn't changed but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm deeply disappointed by the virulent, lockstep attitude I see on the left. My experience in the last few months tells me what I would not have believed possible; on any number of issues (including Pigford, by the way) I've seen liberals act much nastier and with less factual honesty than the conservatives... and this includes on issues where I disagree with conservatives. Burying the death threat story is a clear example of intellectual dishonesty and journalistic bias. Don't take my word for it, though. Look into the story of death threats in Wisconsin yourself and see who has been covering the story and who hasn't. Try for a moment to see this story from the perspective of those who you may disagree with on policy and ask yourself how this looks to them. Can you blame them for feeling that way? Then take a few seconds and read those questions I asked you at the beginning of this article. And then ask why progressives shouldn't expect more from our media -- and ourselves -- than we expect from our political adversaries.
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
the tea party are dupes
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Thank you, you proved my point you defended them...... I've seen the "pictures" of their mess, you saying they have been faked!!!! Do you consider Huffington Post credible or just another liars website, your choice........ First, Where are the pictures of the "mess" left by the Wisconsin demonstrators? Second, you have provided no evidence to back up your claim that the demonstrators, themselves, were violent or making death threats to Walker or Wisconsin Republicans. Third, death threats against Walker and his ilk have indeed been reported and dealt with. This includes the email threat quoted in Stranahan's story. (Can we say that Stranahan is "Burying the death threat story..." because he isn't reporting on death threats made against the Wisconsin Democrats who fled the state?) The Wisconsin Department of Justice says it has identified a person behind at least two threats made against elected officials in recent weeks. The suspect admitted to sending two e-mails threatening to kill Gov. Scott Walker and seven Republican Senators, presumably including La Crosse's Dan Kapanke. The case will be presented to the district attorney where the threat originated, according to the DOJ, which did not identify the suspect. lacrossetribune.com/news/...e0-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html And finally this: I'm in an odd position. In the last few months, I've had one foot in the left wing news stream and one foot in the right. My media duality began when conservative publisher Andrew Breitbart hired me to work with him on the Pigford 'black farmers' settlement story. I'm a pro-choice, pro-single payer, anti-war, pro-gay rights independent liberal with years of work in print and film backing those positions. Breitbart hired me to bring a different perspective to the non-partisan issue of corruption in Pigford. Since then, I've written both here for the left-leaning Huffington Post and at Breitbart's right leaning BigGovernment.com. I've ended up reading a lot more conservative sites and dealing firsthand with a lot more conservatives than any time since I attended a high school dedicated to the principles of Ayn Rand about 30 years ago. So Stranahan works for the ignominious Breitbart. That says it all. Can you find something from a credible source?
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
...and its members prove it every day.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Also, they read from right to left...so maybe WE really are the backwards culture
#3. To: Godwinson (#1)
What does Greece have to do with it?
#4. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#3)
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
If one is going to try to slander teachers in Wisconsin for working to protect a basic right all workers should have to collective bargaining by drawing questionable corrilations to other peoples, then you make the socialistic influences that make the Israeli people what they are fair game for discussion.
#7. To: go65 (#5)
#8. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#9. To: CZ82 (#3)
I think maybe his point is since the Greeks acted just like the teachers in Wisconsin they have no dignity, or integrity for that matter....
#10. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#11. To: Rudgear (#10)
Values and culture. The Japanese stress self reliance and do not have a culture of entitlement demanding a free ride. That and it is a single culture, i.e. no multiculturalism.
#12. To: Godwinson (#9)
By protesting? Why do you so called right wing ding bats hate protests? Sons Of Liberty dressed as Indians and looted a British vessel of its tea.
#13. To: CZ82 (#12)
#14. To: Godwinson (#13)
Also, Japan has an extensive and expensive social welfare culture and they are more in debt than Greece is per GDP.
#15. To: CZ82 (#14)
(Edited)
The article was pointing out how the Japanese value higher moral standards than the Greeks..... nothing more nothing less...... read between the lines if you must.
#16. To: Godwinson (#15)
It's a stupid analogy. I doubt the blogger can find either nation on a map.
#17. To: CZ82 (#16)
I would just imagine he would think the same thing about your opinions of the teachers unions.....
#18. To: Godwinson (#17)
The teacher's union protest was praised by the police for their civility and good behavior and they cleaned up after themselves - no looting and no destruction of property. So why bring them up in a discussion of looting?
#19. To: CZ82, Godwinson (#18)
So why do pictures of the capital show a different story, estimated at $7 million in damages. No looting but low moral behavior!!!!!!
#20. To: lucysmom (#19)
The protesters "have adopted an ownership ethic in the building, treating it with the utmost care and respect,"
#21. To: lucysmom (#19)
#22. To: CZ82 (#20)
Excerpt from a Canadian newspaper:
#23. To: CZ82 (#21)
So I guess my next question is how would you feel if somebody broke into your house, stayed for a week, trashed it and then on the way out the door said "Chinga tu Madre".
#24. To: lucysmom (#23)
Really bad analogy, try again.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#26. To: Rudgear (#10)
The Japanese stress self reliance and do not have a culture of entitlement demanding a free ride.
#27. To: CZ82 (#24)
Really bad analogy, try again.
#28. To: Capitalist Eric, Rudgear (#26)
The Japanese stress self reliance and do not have a culture of entitlement demanding a free ride.
#29. To: lucysmom (#27)
They don't have to be invited, the Wisconsin State Constitution says they have a right to be there, its their capitol; not to mention their taxes pays for and maintains it.
#30. To: lucysmom (#28)
#31. To: CZ82 (#29)
Just because they "Supposedly have the "right" to be there does that give them the "right" to trash the place and threaten its occupants with bodily harm?????? (Isn't there laws against that sort of thing)???
* Woodwork
* Glass
* Metal
#32. To: CZ82 (#29)
Just because they "Supposedly have the "right" to be there does that give them the "right" to trash the place and threaten its occupants with bodily harm?????? (Isn't there laws against that sort of thing)???
#33. To: lucysmom, CZ82 (#32)
#34. To: Rudgear (#30)
What they don't have is several generations of liberal whiners who demand life be handed to them or a multicultural society who thinks the present owes the past and demands free government handouts, depleting the government purse.
#35. To: Godwinson (#33)
Even though they got out to Tea Party protest - the Archie Bunker right wing hates doing so because it reminds them of 1960s hippies or some such.
#36. To: lucysmom (#32)
"He who tells the biggest lie commits the greater sin."
#37. To: CZ82 (#36)
(Edited)
I've seen the "pictures" of their mess, you saying they have been faked!!!!
#38. To: lucysmom (#37)
(Edited)
#39. To: All (#38)
#40. To: CZ82 (#39)
#41. To: CZ82 (#39)
Just because they "Supposedly have the "right" to be there does that give them the "right" to trash the place and threaten its occupants with bodily harm?????? (Isn't there laws against that sort of thing)???
#42. To: Godwinson (#40)
the tea party are dupes
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