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Title: THOSE WONDERFUL TEACHER'S UNIONS
Source: Neal Boortz.com
URL Source: http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2011/0 ... -wonderful-teachers-union.html
Published: Mar 14, 2011
Author: Neal Boortz
Post Date: 2011-03-14 19:26:19 by CZ82
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Views: 30186
Comments: 40

THOSE WONDERFUL TEACHER'S UNIONS By Neal Boortz @ March 14, 2011 9:17 AM Permalink

The government employee unions lost in Wisconsin. Thankfully that largely includes a loss for the teachers union in Wisconsin. Why do I say thankfully? Because the less power that these teachers unions have, the better. Now I can only partially blame them for asserting their power; you parents who send your children to these people to be educated deserve some of the blame as well. You willingly submit the most precious thing in your life - your child - to these people every day and expect your child to become a competent, well-educated, hard-working individual. But it's hard to imagine how that could be accomplished when these teachers unions care only about one thing: power. And they know they have power, and they admit they have this power.

Now let's try to remember what those teachers unions were fighting for in Wisconsin, shall we? They were fighting for our children, right? Somehow our children were going to be denied a good education of that evil, Hitler-like governor of Wisconsin succeeded in taking away the teacher's collective bargaining right. Isn't that the way it worked?

Now if you believe that nonsense that was being spouted by the teachers unions - if you believe that this is all about your precious children -- perhaps you might take the time to listen to something said by "Bob Chanin, General Counsel to the National Education Association. This comment was maid at his farewell address to the NEA convention last summer --- last summer, before Governor Scott Walker's move in Wisconsin.

Here are the words of Mr. Chanin. If you listen to the program today you'll hear them as he spoke them.

"Despite what some among us would like to believe it is not because of our creative ideas; it is not because of the merit of our positions; it is not because we care about children; More.. and it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child".

"The NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power. And we have power because there are more than 8/2 million people that are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year because they believe that we are the union that can most effectively represent them".

There. NOW how do you feel about protecting these wonderful teachers unions? Aren't they just amazing? As if Mr. Chanin wasn't enough, please remember Albert Shanker, a past-president of the American Federation of Teachers. After an AFT convention someone asked Shanker why all the emphasis on teachers and so little emphasis on the children at the convention. He replied .... "He would start paying attention to the children when they could vote in union elections".

Did you send your child off this morning to be educated in a government union school? Don't worry, I'm sure it's going to be just fine. It's the other schools that have these self-involved union teachers .... certainly not your child's government school. So .. no need to worry I'm sure.

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

You willingly submit the most precious thing in your life - your child - to these people every day and expect your child to become a competent, well-educated, hard-working individual. But it's hard to imagine how that could be accomplished when these teachers unions care only about one thing: power. And they know they have power, and they admit they have this power.

Capitalists tell us all we should crave is money. Unless you want teachers to do this out of a sense of calling like Christian monks a so called libertarian capitalist like Boortz should know that you should pay teachers to get better results. Less money means less motivation. Ah, but Boortz is just doing damage control for his GOP paymasters and nothing more......

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-14   20:56:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Godwinson (#1)

Capitalists tell us all we should crave is money. Unless you want teachers to do this out of a sense of calling like Christian monks a so called libertarian capitalist like Boortz should know that you should pay teachers to get better results. Less money means less motivation. Ah, but Boortz is just doing damage control for his GOP paymasters and nothing more......

So I guess you didn't read the 2 parts where the teachers unions "stated" that "It isn't about the children, it's all about us"!!!!!

So can you say what you mean without trying to baffle with BS.....

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-14   21:10:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: CZ82 (#2)

So I guess you didn't read the 2 parts where the teachers unions "stated" that "It isn't about the children, it's all about us"!!!!!

What's wrong with that? You want teachers to teach out of a sense of communist sacrifice?

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-14   21:15:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Godwinson (#3)

What's wrong with that? You want teachers to teach out of a sense of communist sacrifice?

Isn't taking from one (taxpayers) and giving to someone useless (teachers) a Communist ideal!!!!!

Just do their jobs and be accountable for what they are/aren't teaching the children. Since they aren't doing any teaching its time for them to go.....

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-14   21:44:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: CZ82 (#4) (Edited)

Just do their jobs and be accountable for what they are/aren't teaching the children. Since they aren't doing any teaching its time for them to go.....

I am all for firing all teachers and opening the positions up at 200K salary - which means more taxes........

You up for that? Because your formula - fire teachers hire lower paid teachers does not seem to be viable.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-14   22:23:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Godwinson (#5)

You up for that? Because your formula - fire teachers hire lower paid teachers does not seem to be viable.

Why not???? I'll bet there are a whole lot of unemployed/laid off teachers out there that just want a decent job instead of living on welfare...... They would love to have a job where they don't have to pay outrageous union dues to a bunch of political douchebags......

But then again someone in your position wouldn't know about that..... would they!!!!!

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-14   23:20:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CZ82, lucysmom (#8)

Why not???? I'll bet there are a whole lot of unemployed/laid off teachers out there that just want a decent job instead of living on welfare...... They would love to have a job where they don't have to pay outrageous union dues to a bunch of political douchebags......

So paying people less money will get a better crop of teachers? Is this what the Republican agenda is all along?

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-15   0:09:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Godwinson (#9)

So paying people less money will get a better crop of ....

Executives?

Don't you agree that executives of companies should have their pay set to "what is fair"?????

Should there be government regulation of executive pay???

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-03-15   0:23:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Wood_Chopper (#10) (Edited)

Don't you agree that executives of companies should have their pay set to "what is fair"?????

Did I mention "fairness" in any way, nimrod?

I said according to the Adam Smith concept of enlightened self interest - paying people less money will not produce better results.

In other words if you pay teachers more money - coupled with a performance evaluation - according to this theory - you will get a better result. That is right wing dogma since I was a kid.

Now you right wingers raised on Rush Limbough idiocy want to lower teachers pay and expect better results in education?

Any attempt to better education in America will have to increase the pay of teachers to attract the brightest and the best and keep them. Sure, I am all for throwing in a performace test to see you get effective teaching results. Bonuses for good work, etc. BUT ALL THAT WILL REQUIRE MORE TAX MONEY.

I am waiting for the right wing plan which will both cut teacher pay and improve teaching performance......

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-15   0:33:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Godwinson (#11)

Now you right wingers raised on Rush Limbough idiocy want to lower teachers pay and expect better results in education?

Just how fucking stupid are you??? Every time I think I've found out, you prove you're even more stupid than I thought.

Go back and read my post to you, see if you can understand it (and here's a hint: You can't have your cake, and eat it too), then get back to me.

Sure, I am all for throwing in a performace test to see you get effective teaching results. Bonuses for good work, etc.

So am I.

BUT ALL THAT WILL REQUIRE MORE TAX MONEY.

Bullshit. You really are fucking stupid.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-03-15   12:28:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Wood_Chopper (#15)

Isn't it strange having a conversation with someone that is always wrong?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-03-15   12:36:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone, Wood_Chopper, lucysmom, go65 (#16) (Edited)

Isn't it strange having a conversation with someone that is always wrong?

You guys live in an echo chamber. How will you attract good teachers if you don't pay them well enough? Why do you avoid this fact? How will you get teachers without paying them more money which requires increasing taxes - or if no tax increase then shifting tax revenue from other programs to increase their pay?

You idiots keep harping that the teachers in America suck and they should be all fired. OK - what do you replace them with? Teachers who are paid even less??????

Answer that, kooks.

You guys - bottom line - don't want to increase taxes for education nor do you want to pay teachers more money (even if teachers were new and unionized). So what's your solution to attracting good teachers??????????

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-15   12:56:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Godwinson (#17)

The solution is simple. Figure out how much it costs on average to educate each student. Close all the govt schools down in an organized manner, starting with the worse schools first.

Give everyone a voucher to send their kids to any school that they choose.

I already send my kids to private school. It isn't easy and I am nowhere close to rich.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-03-15   13:31:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone, Rek (#20)

The solution is simple. Figure out how much it costs on average to educate each student. Close all the govt schools down in an organized manner, starting with the worse schools first.

So you kooks want to do a Pol Pot Year Zero approach to school education?

Why not do what the smarter than American countries do for education, like Finland?

Why ar eyou kooks trying to invent a new educational system to adhere to your ideology when the world has dozens of examples of better systems than America's current one?

Oh, right, all those systems that outperform America's system are based on centralized educational models and high taxes.........

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-15   14:52:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Godwinson (#24)

Why not do what the smarter than American countries do for education, like Finland?

Countries like Finland insist that their teachers not only be competent, but quite competent, finishing at near the top of their graduating classes.

Our public school teachers are largely incompetent dumbasses protected by the union, who would have difficulty working the registers at Burger King if they had to get other jobs.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-03-15   15:23:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: no gnu taxes (#25)

Countries like Finland insist that their teachers not only be competent, but quite competent, finishing at near the top of their graduating classes.

If you were a little smarter you would see that I advocate paying American teachers a lot of money so we can lure good people by making educators a well paying job.

But that requires more tax money to raise salaries and you so called right wingers are against that. So who are you kidding?

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-15   15:26:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Godwinson (#26)

The US spends $12,600 per pupil year. That's more than $250k per class of 20. Many private day schools cost considerably less. There is simply no way this is not enough money if spent even rudimentary well, especially as most public schools don't even pay rent.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-03-15   15:36:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: no gnu taxes (#27)

The US spends $12,600 per pupil year. That's more than $250k per class of 20. Many private day schools cost considerably less. There is simply no way this is not enough money if spent even rudimentary well, especially as most public schools don't even pay rent.

That's because you have 50 states each with its own school system each buying separate text books that vary based on regional prejudices like not making the Confederacy look bad, etc.

In the rest of the educated world there is one dept of education, teachers are employees of the federal state and text books and lessons are standardized as are salaries, etc.

Stupid state's rights are to blame for the high costs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-15   15:39:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#29. To: Godwinson (#28)

Stupid state's rights are to blame for the high costs.

States rights don't make for incompetent wasteful spending, and union forced low teacher quality. Why are you babbling nonsense?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-03-15 15:46:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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