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Title: Ronald Reagan In Support of Unions and Collective Bargaining
Source: youtube.com
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsHXJr8tqP0
Published: Sep 1, 1980
Author: Ronald Reagan
Post Date: 2011-03-11 10:47:40 by Godwinson
Keywords: None
Views: 4530
Comments: 10

Ronald Reagan kicks off his presidential campaign with a Labor Day speech at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, New Jersey. Delivered 1 September 1980.

"Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." -- RONALD REAGAN

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#1. To: Godwinson (#0)

Like I said before he had his flaws.......... But not near as many as a Liberal !!!!!!

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-11   16:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Godwinson (#0)

Not government bureaucrat unions, which use forced dues to elect their own bosses who reward the unions with more and more largess from the taxpayers.

Collective bargaining requires opposing sides. It doesn't work when the employer works for the employee.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-11   16:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jwpegler (#2)

Not government bureaucrat unions, which use forced dues to elect their own bosses who reward the unions with more and more largess from the taxpayers.

Teachers, cops, firefighters are not bureaucrats.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-11   17:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Godwinson (#3)

Teachers, cops, firefighters are not bureaucrats.

Schools, fire protection, garbage collection, etc. can easily be provided in a competitive market. There is no reason whatsoever for government to monopolize these services. NONE.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-11   17:12:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler, go65, Rek, lucysmom (#4)

Schools, fire protection, garbage collection, etc. can easily be provided in a competitive market. There is no reason whatsoever for government to monopolize these services. NONE.

We had private fire fighting in the past. Failed. See Fire Zouves of New York. See why it was made a public service rather than a private concern.

If you knew your history you would know fire fighters of the 1800s would arrive and fight other fire fighting teams in the street while the fire burned to see who would get the job. Firefighters would demand payment from the owner while the house burned. Other times fire fighters were suspected of setting fires to drum up business (arrived too quick to not have known about it in advance).

There is a reason we have the systems we have today - it seems you and your kind did forget the past and we are doomed to repeat it when you get into office.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-11   17:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Godwinson (#5) (Edited)

of the 1800s

LOL. ROTFLMAO. ha ha ha ha ha... I'm laughing so hard that I can't breath...

Firefighters would demand payment from the owner while the house burned.

Today we have mortgages. Mortgage companies require you to have insurance to get a mortgage. Insurance companies would require you to have fire protection to get insurance or they would include fire protection in their policies. That's the way it would work.

I'm still laughing so hard that I still can't breath... Oh my god... I need to get some water.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-11   17:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jwpegler (#6)

Today we mortgages. Mortgage companies require you to have insurance to get a mortgage. Insurance companies would require you to have fire protection to get insurance. That's the way it would work.

Firefighting in the 1800's: A Corrupt, Bloated, Private For-Profit Industry

In the 1800's, the early days of urbanization, in cities like New York and Baltimore, there were private "clubs" or "gangs" who were in charge of putting out fires. The infamous Boss Tweed started his illustrious political career at a volunteer fire company. The way it functioned was the first club at the scene got money from the insurance company. So, they had an incentive to get there fast. They also had an incentive to sabotage competition. They also often ended up getting in fights over territory and many times buildings would burn down before the issue was resolved. They were glorified looters. It was corrupt, bloated and expensive -- but at least it wasn't the much maligned "government controlled."

Around the time of the Civil War, firefighting in big cities was reformed and taken over by the government. Currently firefighters in most major metropolises are trained by the government, employed by the government and given health care -- wait for it -- by the government.

Yet if we had to have the "conversation" about the firefighting industry today, we'd have socialism- phobic South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint on the TV every chance he could get saying things like, "Do you want a government bureaucrat between you and the safety of your home?"

oday firefighters are national heroes. They're organized, quick, competent and with few exceptions pillars of the community. Their duty is to protect people and their property and they do it. They make no profits, are part of the government and they help people 24-hours a day. They even let seniors live. No debate necessary. What started out as a shady gaming of the system where the general public's welfare was at risk is today something of national pride.

So government can do something right. It's happened.

Less government is not always good. The private sector is not always first-rate. And free market capitalism does not cure all.

Do I want my health care to be like the DMV? I've seen clinics that make the DMV look like destination spa. DMV is affordable and I can always get seen the same day (I have insurance and I can't say the same about my doctor). So yeah, DMV-esque wouldn't be too bad. What would be better is if doctors could be like firefighters.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-11   17:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: jwpegler (#6)

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34422

I would also like to offer a suggestion to this private / public debate.

I was a firefighter for @10 years and decided to join an industrial F.D. (Major car manufacturer) The money wasn't bad and they talked a great talk about all they did. After getting the job, I found that it was NOTHING like a public FD. The ultimate decision makers were in the Headquarters in Detroit. The powers to be didn't travel very often, so when we asked for anything, it was hard to get. But they would send equipment to us with out asking us. There was a point where we had 3 mechanical hose washers, We BARELY used one! There was a ton of inspections and fighting a fire was an exercise in chaos! The bottom line to everything was the almighty dollar. It was nothing to find a fall victim that had been carried out of the way of the production line so they could continue production. I know this is not inidcative of all industrial jobs, but if you do decide to industrial, make sure you do a lot of research!

What an actual firefighter said about the 2 options.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-11   17:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Godwinson (#7)

firefighting in the 1800's.

he he he... LOL... ha ha ha... ROTFLMAO...

you are hilarious...

I have to catch my breadth...


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-11   18:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#6)

Firefighters would demand payment from the owner while the house burned

There was an incident about a month or two ago in Ohio where the crews just watched a house burn because the occupants hadn't paid their yearly fire fee, think it was around $50 or 75........

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-12   8:20:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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