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Title: Is Wisconsin the Real Republican Waterloo?
Source: Forbes
URL Source: [None]
Published: Mar 10, 2011
Author: E.D. Kain
Post Date: 2011-03-10 13:43:39 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 53331
Comments: 76

After the Affordable Care Act was passed in 2010, conservative writer David Frum called the passage of the bill the GOP’s “Waterloo” referencing Napoleon Bonaparte’s crushing defeat at the hands of the Duke of Wellington. This earned him the ire of his fellow conservatives and pushed him further outside the conservative movement.

But David was wrong. If anything, the healthcare reform victory was the GOP’s Siege of Acre. Wisconsin is shaping up to be the real Waterloo.

And not just Wisconsin, but also Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Arizona, Florida, and the rest of the over- reaching state Republicans. Governors like Scott Walker, Rick Scott, and Jan Brewer are riding on the coattails of the Tea Party, but they’ve become blind to the dangers of their radical policies.

In Wisconsin, Democrats are already promising to step-up recall efforts. But the recalls are only a small part of what is likely going to be a huge anti-Republican backlash across the nation, as working Americans finally realize what that party actually stands for: an playing field heavily tilted toward the rich and powerful, toward corporate power, and against worker rights.

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#2. To: go65 (#0) (Edited)

Utter nonsense. What we are actually witnessing here is the final death of the 20th century.

It isn't just the GOP proposing to make radical change. Look at governor Cuomo in New York. He's beating up on government bureaucrat unions too. He's now also proposing radical tort reform and part of his efforts to reign in healthcare costs.

Reactionaries from government bureaucrats to trial lawyers are lashing out. It's not a surprise.

The bottom line is that this is all simple math. We can no longer afford to have the unproductive segment of society leach off of the productive segment. We can no longer afford to fund schools and teachers that pump out functional illiterates. We can no longer afford to hand people checks to putter around in Florida in their lime green golf pants for 15 or 20 years.

We are in a competitive global economy. This can't work anymore.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-10   13:55:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jwpegler, go65 (#2)

The bottom like is that this is all simple math. We can no longer afford to have the unproductive segment of society leach off of the productive segment. We can no longer afford to fund schools and teachers that pump out functional illiterates. We can no longer afford to hand people checks to putter around in Florida in their lime green golf pants for 15 or 20 years.

So your solution is to under pay teachers who will educate the next generation?

Ok, you will come back and say - no you don't to pay for this current crop of teachers. OK, let's say we fire them all and hire MIT geniuses as teachers. You think MIT grads will work for public schools that pay 50 grand a year? So then we will have to raise taxes and pay teachers 100K to 200K a year for the quality you are claiming would justify the increased taxes.

I will leave out the part about keeping old people alive and just concentrate on the educational matters.

By the way, we can afford all this if we tax the unproductive rich in America. I don't get this rich worship as if the rich somehow earned it and they are responsible for keeping all us lowly serfs from living in dirt.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-10   14:15:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Godwinson, jwpegler (#3)

Ok, you will come back and say - no you don't to pay for this current crop of teachers. OK, let's say we fire them all and hire MIT geniuses as teachers. You think MIT grads will work for public schools that pay 50 grand a year? So then we will have to raise taxes and pay teachers 100K to 200K a year for the quality you are claiming would justify the increased taxes.

MIT geniuses make far less than say the CEO of ExxonMobil, which makes them less productive. What Jwpegler really wants is for the productive members of society, those making in the tens or hundreds of millions a year, do educate our students.

I'm waiting to hear his plan as to how he's going to make that happen.

go65  posted on  2011-03-10   15:35:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: go65 (#8) (Edited)

What Jwpegler really wants is for the productive members of society, those making in the tens or hundreds of millions a year, do educate our students.

I'm waiting to hear his plan as to how he's going to make that happen.

What are you babbling about?

Here's my plan: Supply and Demand in a Competitive Market.

Supply and demand does a great job setting the price for computer programmers, all sorts of engineers, lawyers, accountants, and even auto mechanics.

Supply and demand will set the right price for teachers as well.

It's just that simple.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-10   15:41:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler, go65 (#9)

Supply and demand will set the right price for teachers as well.

Yea, because the market is correct in valuing the salary of say, sports stars over say teachers.......

You so called conservative types have no clue what to do when you get the helm of the ship other than spout ideological slogans.

You don't even want to copy the successful educational models from around the world because maybe a sex ed class would slip in and Americans may become like Scandinavians or something.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-10   15:55:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Godwinson, capitalist eric (#10) (Edited)

Yea, because the market is correct in valuing the salary of say, sports stars over say teachers.......

So who should decide how much a sports star earns? You? Obama??? Or the tens of millions of people who decide for themselves to spend their own money to watch a game???

The free market is the ultimate democracy because it requires that people vote with their hard earned money.

I don't spend my money going to sports games, buying burgers at McDonalds, and on a whole bunch of other things that many Americans enjoy. But unlike you, I am not angry and resentful of the people who deliver products and services that others like and I don't.

I am angry when I am FORCED to pay for things that I don't want and just don't work, like the rotten government monopoly schools.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-10   16:08:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: jwpegler (#11)

I am angry when I am FORCED to pay for things that I don't want and just don't work, like the rotten government monopoly schools.

So how do you feel about possibly paying (with your taxes) some of the people on this website to sit at home all day argueing with you??????

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-10   16:21:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: CZ82 (#13)

So how do you feel about possibly paying (with your taxes) some of the people on this website to sit at home all day argueing with you??????

I hate paying for all these retired people on SS who argue against the benefits keeping them alive but what can you do.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-10   16:27:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Godwinson (#14)

I hate paying for all these retired people on SS who argue against the benefits keeping them alive but what can you do.

So are you saying you have a job?????

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-10   16:55:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: CZ82 (#17)

So are you saying you have a job?????

He changes bedpans at the local nursing home.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-10   16:56:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: jwpegler, CZ82, go65, lucysmom (#19) (Edited)

He changes bedpans at the local nursing home.

Why would you use that as a slur? I don't do this work but it is a profession I think Jesus would honor if he was on this earth at the moment.

Thanks for proving once again that Republicans only show respect to the rich who don't do manual labor and demand that public employees who earn so little be even more distressed.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-10   17:01:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#22. To: Godwinson (#21)

Thanks for proving once again that Republicans only show respect to the rich who don't do manual labor and demand that public employees who earn so little be even more distressed.

I just asked you if you had a job?????

I do manual labor for a living so whats the big deal?????

Public employees do not make "so little".... at least not where I'm from.... How much do they make where you're from??????

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-10 17:08:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Godwinson (#21) (Edited)

Thanks for proving once again that Republicans only show respect to the rich who don't do manual labor

Get of off your high horse.

I started pumping gas when I was 13 for $1.60 an hour.

When I was 19, I enlisted in the Air Force, living in a roach infested barracks and earning a whopping $400 a month.

When I got out of the Air Force, I worked my way through college (Carter eliminated the GI Bill so I got no help whatsoever from the government).

I've worked my ass off and I still do. The hardest working people in the country are small business owners, like myself and my wife.

Unlike you, I am not resentful that others got to go to an ivy league school. I am unhappy that many of them did it at taxpayer's expense. That has to stop too.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-10 17:27:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Godwinson, jwpegler, CZ82, go65 (#21)

Why would you use that as a slur? I don't do this work but it is a profession I think Jesus would honor if he was on this earth at the moment.

I think He would too.

It takes a special kind of person to be a caregiver; it requires patience, creativity, and is just plain hard work.

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