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Title: So why can't we drill for our own oil??????
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American Thinker
URL Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011 ... nly_way_out_for_the_ameri.html
Published: Mar 5, 2011
Author: Steve Mc Cann
Post Date: 2011-03-05 15:35:28 by CZ82
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Economic despair reigns in America, as stagnation and mounting debt make our future look hopeless. Yet America is uniquely positioned to rebound and recover our economic preeminence. All that is necessary is a political decision to reverse our energy policy and stimulate domestic production of hydrocarbons. From that would flow a true economic stimulus that would mend many of our ills. The United States is again, for the second time in less than three years, being reminded of its absurd dependence of foreign sources of energy, most notably, oil. The upheavals in the Middle East have driven up the cost of a barrel of oil into triple digits as it was in 2008. The increasing demands of countries such as China and India and the deliberate devaluation of the dollar by the Federal Reserve and the Obama administration are steadily pushing up oil prices in dollars. The country's dependence of foreign sources has increased to 52% of the daily requirement as compared to 45% just 15 years ago. Over half of that amount comes from countries that are inherently unstable or ruled by despotic regimes whose interest it is to de-stabilize the United States. Yet the United States is sitting on the world's largest untapped oil reserve. A natural resource that would not only mitigate the over $400 Billion sent overseas to other countries but could create untold millions of jobs and put the country on a sound financial footing. The untapped reserves are estimated up to 2.3 Trillion barrels, nearly three times the reserves held by the OPEC countries and sufficient to meet 300 years of demand, at today's levels -- for auto, truck, aircraft, heating and industrial fuel, without importing a single barrel of oil. The US could become the single largest exporter of oil and oil related products in the world, thus potentially eliminating its trade deficit, and increasing the national standard of living as well as making a massive dent in the national debt. Here is a look at some of the largest untapped reserves: The Bakken Fields in North and South Dakota. New drilling and oil recovery technology is making the capture of this oil feasible and some development is now underway. It is estimated that there is at least 200 Billion barrels of oil in this region. At a price of $100 per barrel the value of this find is $20 Trillion. The Outer Continental shelf. It is estimated that around 90 billion barrels of oil sit beneath the ocean bed 50 to 100 miles off the shore of the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf coasts. The value: $9 Trillion. The Alaska National Wildlife Refuge. About 10 billion barrels are locked up here with a current value of $1 Trillion. Tar Sands: Around 75 Billion barrels of oil could come from these areas which are similar to the Canadian tar sand fields and which now produce about 2 million barrels per day. The value: $7.5 Trillion Oil Shale. This is the most massive area of potential oil production in the world with an estimated 1.5 Trillion barrel potential. The technology necessary to extract this oil is now in place and being operated on a pilot project basis. The value of this resource: $150 Trillion There also the very real potential that further finds will be discovered as technology continues to improve. In total the value of the potential oil reserves of the United States listed above exceeds $187 Trillion. The current national debt is $14.2 Trillion or less than 8%. Despite the protestation of President Obama and the environmentalists the world and particularly the United States is not running out of oil. Their foolish tilting at windmills and solar will never produce energy sufficient to operate a $14Trillion and hopefully growing economy. It will be decades if not the rest of the 21st Century before any meaningful substitute for fossil fuels will be developed and additional time and investment will then be necessary to distribute the product. Mankind's ingenuity has and will continue to develop technology to safely extract, process and market fossil fuels (which is a naturally occurring resource). But the United States must begin now to open the areas for exploration, and permit the construction of refineries and pipelines. It is beyond absurd that a country sitting on so much natural wealth refuses to exploit it for the benefit of its citizens and instead deliberately puts the nation in the position of being subjected to the whims of others and face national insolvency. It almost appears to be deliberate.
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#31. To: lucysmom (#23)
Is that what they're calling "ivory towers" these days?
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ Woman at a dinner party, speaking to Calvin Coolidge - "I bet someone that I could make you say more than 3 words" You are the one ignoring those laws - China's oil demand is growing faster than ours. Why wouldn't the oil companies simply sell whatever they produce in the U.S. to the highest bidder, regardless of locale? You still haven't explained how increasing production of U.S. based sources is going to lead to cheaper gas prices for U.S. consumers absent any requirement that the oil be sold to U.S. consumers.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
That's true - some of the oil produced from Alaska for example is exported to the far east because it's cheaper for U.S. refiners to bring oil in from the Middle East or Venezuela then to bring it across the country from Alaska. And, most U.S. refineries aren't set up to refine Alaska crude. just more examples of why "drill baby drill" is nothing more than a marketing slogan designed to appeal to those who don't really know much about energy.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
You still haven't explained how increasing production of U.S. based sources is going to lead to cheaper gas prices for U.S. consumers absent any requirement that the oil be sold to U.S. consumers. Right now the supply of oil is maintained at a constant level by the oil producers of the world, mainly OPEC. This has the effect of making oil prices higher when the demand is higher and cheaper when demand is lower. So if more oil is released to the market through increased production then the price of oil will fall. This would benefit every oil purchasing country in the world, not just the USA.... Simple supply and demand Economics 101..... Another thing that would help oil prices is building a few more refinerys. Hurricane Katrina showed the world the falicy of our governments policy of having no back up resources in case of emergency....... Oh and by the way did you notice who currently get the majority of government subsidies...... Ethanol, solar tech and refined coal..... if you add in those subsidized for electrical generation then you get windmills..... All of these are so expensive that can't stand on their own hence the government subsidies. There have also been studies done on cheaper and more ECO friendly ways to produce Ethanol (even though Ethanol is useless). But they aren't pursued because the Democrats don't want to,(unions, farmers and consumer pricing... I.E. votes) and the Republicans won't because they know ethanol is useless......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Only if demand remains constant, and only if U.S. refiners will take U.S. oil versus light-sweet crude which is easier and cheaper to refine. The reality again is that study after study has shown that there simply isn't enough oil within the U.S. to meet growing demand. "Drill baby drill" will not result in lower gas prices, reducing demand will, but Conservatives never want to address the "demand" side of supply and demand. Raise CAFE to 40-50 MPG and you could eliminate the need to import any oil from Saudi Arabia.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Could oil stand on its own if we funded our military operations in the middle east through a gas tax (since most of our involvement in that area is tied to the need to protect our oil supply)? (And I agree with you that subsidies for oil/gas companies as well as ethanol ought to be eliminated).
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Since our paint brush is nice and broad today . . . Statists never want to recind any law or regulation (statists are never wrong, doncha know?) Statists will just keep piling law upon law and regulation upon regulation - till we somehow get it right. Statists don't undestand the laws of "unintended consequences". For instance, statists cannot recall what happened the first time so-called CAFE standards were forced upon automakers by all-knowing and all caring big-government. The result was the eeeeevil gas-guzzling SUV's (exempt from CAFE because they were classed as trucks.) Somehow, the unwashed masses were just not willing to be shoe-horned into cracker box 50MPG death-traps. Yes sir, statists have all the answers. Funny, it ALWAYS involves bigger and bigger government.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ Woman at a dinner party, speaking to Calvin Coolidge - "I bet someone that I could make you say more than 3 words" What would you have conservatives "do"? Conservatives - by definition - (and please try to follow along here - I'm not talking about republicans, I'm talking about conservatives) are generally for free markets Remember the Radio Shack TRS80 (commonly known as the Trash 80). I remember seeing a circa early 1980s ad for one, where it was going for around $5000. It was (by today's standards) very primitave and very expensive. True, demand was low (people didn't know they wanted PCs), so the cost per unit to manufacture them was high. Hence, the high price. As demand (and more importantly competition) increased, prices came down. If statists would just get the hell out of the way, and let energy prices be determined by the market, prices would at least stabilize. Would prices eventually go up? Probably, as oil is a finite resourse. But, as oil became more expensive, other energy sources would be developed and competition would bring those prices down. And, while we're at it. Why don't we have more nuclear power plants? Is it not the statists/leftists (the same ones who whine about "Big Oil") who have prevented us building those?
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ Woman at a dinner party, speaking to Calvin Coolidge - "I bet someone that I could make you say more than 3 words" support raising CAFE standards.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
support raising CAFE standards. Did you even look at what I posted earlier? That is more gov't regulation and law, which goes against everything conservatives believe in. Now if you want to lobby the GOP for that, you'll probably have some success. Your buddy Bush just LOVED gov't programs
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Yep, and the alternative is deal with a rapid shock to the economy when oil supplies are quickly constricted. Look, if you don't want government regulation and law then don't complain when gas prices spike to over $4.00 and don't complain about imported oil.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Freedom can sometimes be a bitch, can't it?
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ Nope, they would wildly fluctuate, perhaps even more than now. Would you also advocate withdrawing the U.S. military from any involvement in keeping oil supply lines open and eliminating the strategic oil reserve?
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Yep, and extremes introduced by an unfettered free market typically lead to calls for government regulation. If you go through history of economic panics/depressions, the end result was always greater government involvement in the economy.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
I don't feel like drilling hard to get at oil where people also make a living off of nature's renewable bounty like fishing just so some fat asses who drive gas guzzlers can get cheaper gas (even though that is not how pricing would work). Fuck them. That is like rewarding the stupid people in society over the smart ones.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
But that's a topic for another time . . .
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ What leads you to that conclusion? Agreed.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
An unbridled (and probably foolish in your eyes) faith in free markets. Despite any impressions I may have given, I'm not against laws and regulations per se. I'm not an anarchist - we need governments; we need laws. The problem I have with laws and regulations is that bad ones never seem to get repealed. Instead, more laws and more regulations are just piled on top of old ones. Errors get compounded. Maybe if sunset provisions could be made AND ENFORCED, things might improve.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ It already does!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
But it doesn't, that's why oil prices go up and down. The oil producers don't really care about demand they maintain a constant supply unless they are asked for some special reason to raise it. This helps to keep prices steady from day to day (or at least that's the general idea)... The only reason for them to reduce the supply is if demand is "Drastically" reduced, which never really happens.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
What studies??? Post them!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I guess my question is would you feel safe riding around in a cardboard box powered by a hamster???? CAFE standards have killed more drivers because they have no protection in an "average" accident when they get hit. The only reason more people don't get killed is the mandatory seat belt laws and airbags to a certain extent. It used to be very few people got killed in "average" traffic accidents when cars were larger and heavier. But heavier and larger means more gas consumption to a certain extent but also means more safety for the passengers........ thats the trade off.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
If all of the Libtards got voted out of office then you might stand a chance... but even then its unlikely.......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I have learned that the bailout follows deregulation.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Tesla Roadter. 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds (faster than a Porsche). 0 tailpipe emissions. Goes 245 miles on a charge. Telsa Model S. Seats 5. 0 tailpipe emissions. 300 miles on a charge. And they cost how much????
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
When you consider the inefficiencies induced by parasitic resistance in high-voltage transmission lines, eddy-currents and I-squared-R losses in transformers, an electric car is actually less efficient from an overall standpoint (including original power generation) than the Porsche you just mentioned. Only by thinking that electricity is somehow magically made in a plastic- encased plug, can one come to the conclusion that electric cars are some panacea.
Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai" Probably true, but these are not "cardboard boxes powered by hamsters", as the other poster stated. There is a lot of mythology about electric cars out there. These are not supped up golf carts like the electric cars of the 1970s. In fact, electric cars are competing very effectively at the drag strip today. I don't think that plug-in electrics will ever dominate the market. I have thought for a long time that electric cars powered by hydrogen fuel cells are the future because they can be refueled just like gasoline cars.
They look like cardboard boxes powered by hamsters to me, and I bet they cost 4 or 5 times what my full sized Ford Pickup costs...... Will keep my truck and keep paying more for gas but less per mile driven.........
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
ever hear of a turbo diesels? The Mercedes C250 gets 45 MPG. I'm giving you another chance, but you have to put more thought into your arguments then just constantly rant "it's the libturds fault!"
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
The S model will be about $50K, which is price competitive with the Audi A6, BMW 5 Series, and Mercedes C-class. The Roadster is about $100k, right in the middle of the Porsche 911 range. It's new technology, so the price will come down over time. Check out the Roadster at Jay Leno's garage Tesla was created by some guys who made their original fortunes in the computer industry. Why can't GM create a car like this? The Chevy Volt costs $40K and only gets 40 miles on a charge! It's ridiculous.
Why would I do that when all the proof points to them????? And diesel costs how much more per gallon than gasoline and pollutes how much more than gasoline?????
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
How about we compare domestic oil production and imports under Reagan and Carter: Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Uh huh. As of last week, it cost about 25 cents a gallon more and diesels pollute far less than electrics (when production/disposal of batteries are taken into account). If you ignore the battery pollution, the electrics and gas/diesel cars pollute about equally. See: http://nissan-leaf.net/2011/02/24/study-says-electric-vehicles-are-almost-as-dirty-as-diesel- cars/ I know, I know, you don't let facts get in the way of your arguments.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
So what you're showing me is that imports went way down and domestic production went up under Reagan....... he took office in 1980!!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Just the existence of futures, hedge, derivatives funds and markets negates any negative effects from supply and demand. There is no free market. There never was and there never will be. The whole idea is a figment and a scam.
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Diesel where I live is about 50-60 cents more per gallon... and...... Excerpt from an article written in Oslo, Norway Less CO2 with diesel The reason for the difference between diesel and gasoline is in the composition of their emissions. We know from before that passenger cars with diesel engines emit, depending on their condition, about 20 percent less of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide (CO2) per kilometer than the same car type with gasoline engines. However, besides CO2, the exhaust contains a number of other components such as nitrogen oxide (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), and particles. With the exception of CO, emissions of these components are generally higher from diesel cars, and lead to lower air quality and negative health effects. But the particles CO and NOx also have important climate effects. The emission of NOx not only contributes to the formation of ozone that has a climate warming effect, but it also reduces the amount of the greenhouse gas methane, which results in a cooling effect. Soot particles from diesel engines absorb solar radiation and cause warming.
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Oh, I don't know. The old barter markets in the middle east were pretty free. Seriously, I don't agree that there never will be a free market. Scientists say a major solar flare is possible - one that could take down the power grid for months, even years (Imagine replacing millions of transformers) Without the internet and computers, your "funds" only exist in cyber-space. There is hope - we may yet get to experience a free market. (I'll trade you my gallon of gasoline for 2 loaves of bread . . . )
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ There will be funds as long as there are pens and paper on which to write who placed what bet.
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I guess that makes us members of the reality based community.
"If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. It you're 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain."
~Winston Churchill
Calvin Coolidge, responding to woman - "You lose"
#32. To: Ignore Amos (#30)
If you didn't learn basic economic laws like "supply and demand" in school, then I can't help you.
#33. To: Ignore Amos (#29)
They do now.
#34. To: go65 (#32)
You are the one ignoring those laws - China's oil demand is growing faster than ours. Why wouldn't the oil companies simply sell whatever they produce in the U.S. to the highest bidder, regardless of locale?
#35. To: CZ82 (#34)
Right now the supply of oil is maintained at a constant level by the oil producers of the world, mainly OPEC. This has the effect of making oil prices higher when the demand is higher and cheaper when demand is lower. So if more oil is released to the market through increased production then the price of oil will fall. This would benefit every oil purchasing country in the world, not just the USA..
#36. To: CZ82 (#34)
(Edited)
All of these are so expensive that can't stand on their own hence the government subsidies.
#37. To: go65, CZ82 (#35)
Conservatives never want to address the "demand" side of supply and demand.
"If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. It you're 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain."
~Winston Churchill
Calvin Coolidge, responding to woman - "You lose"
#38. To: All (#37)
Conservatives never want to address the "demand" side of supply and demand.
"If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. It you're 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain."
~Winston Churchill
Calvin Coolidge, responding to woman - "You lose"
#39. To: Ignore Amos (#38)
What would you have conservatives "do"?
#40. To: go65 (#39)
What would you have conservatives "do"?
Political tags -- such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth -- are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
-- Robert A Heinlein
#41. To: Ignore Amos (#38)
What would you have conservatives "do"?
#42. To: Ignore Amos (#40)
That is more gov't regulation and law,
#43. To: go65 (#42)
Look, if you don't want government regulation and law then don't complain when gas prices spike to over $4.00 and don't complain about imported oil.
Political tags -- such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth -- are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
-- Robert A Heinlein
#44. To: Ignore Amos (#38)
(Edited)
If statists would just get the hell out of the way, and let energy prices be determined by the market, prices would at least stabilize.
#45. To: Ignore Amos (#43)
Freedom can sometimes be a bitch, can't it?
#46. To: Ignore Amos, go65, CZ82 (#37)
(Edited)
#47. To: go65 (#44)
If statists would just get the hell out of the way, and let energy prices be determined by the market, prices would at least stabilize.
Nope, they would wildly fluctuate, perhaps even more than now.
Initially, perhaps. But I believe they would stabilize - and probably at a lower rate than they are now. Would you also advocate withdrawing the U.S. military from any involvement in keeping oil supply lines open and eliminating the strategic oil reserve?
I'd advocate withdrawing the US Military from most of its current missions - that's what's gotten us into this mess to begin with.
Political tags -- such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth -- are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
-- Robert A Heinlein
#48. To: Ignore Amos (#47)
Initially, perhaps. But I believe they would stabilize - and probably at a lower rate than they are now.
I'd advocate withdrawing the US Military from most of its current missions - that's what's gotten us into this mess to begin with.
#49. To: go65 (#48)
What leads you to that conclusion?
Political tags -- such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth -- are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
-- Robert A Heinlein
#50. To: go65 (#36)
Could oil stand on its own????
#51. To: go65 (#35)
Only if demand remains constant
#52. To: go65 (#35)
The reality again is that study after study has shown that there simply isn't enough oil within the U.S. to meet growing demand.
#53. To: go65 (#35)
Raise CAFE to 40-50 MPG and you could eliminate the need to import any oil from Saudi Arabia.
#54. To: go65 (#35)
and you could eliminate the need to import any oil from Saudi Arabia.
#55. To: Ignore Amos (#37)
Statists don't undestand the laws of "unintended consequences".
#56. To: CZ82 (#53)
I guess my question is would you feel safe riding around in a cardboard box powered by a hamster????
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#57. To: jwpegler (#56)
#58. To: jwpegler (#56)
Tesla Roadter. 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds (faster than a Porsche). 0 tailpipe emissions. Goes 245 miles on a charge.
#59. To: Capitalist Eric (#58)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#60. To: jwpegler (#59)
Probably true, but these are not "cardboard boxes powered by hamsters", as the other poster stated.
#61. To: CZ82 (#53)
(Edited)
I guess my question is would you feel safe riding around in a cardboard box powered by a hamster???? CAFE standards have killed more drivers because they have no protection in an "average" accident when they get hit. The only reason more people don't get killed is the mandatory seat belt laws and airbags to a certain extent. It used to be very few people got killed in "average" traffic accidents when cars were larger and heavier. But heavier and larger means more gas consumption to a certain extent but also means more safety for the passengers........ thats the trade off.....
#62. To: CZ82, capitalist eric (#57)
(Edited)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#63. To: go65 (#61)
I'm giving you another chance, but you have to put more thought into your arguments then just constantly rant "it's the libturds fault!"
#64. To: CZ82 (#54)
If all of the Libtards got voted out of office then you might stand a chance... but even then its unlikely.......
#65. To: CZ82 (#63)
Why would I do that when all the proof points to them?????
And diesel costs how much more per gallon than gasoline and pollutes how much more than gasoline?????
#66. To: go65 (#64)
#67. To: Ignore Amos (#49)
(Edited)
An unbridled (and probably foolish in your eyes) faith in free markets.
#68. To: go65 (#65)
As of last week, it cost about 25 cents a gallon more and diesels pollute far less than electrics (when production/disposal of batteries are taken into account). If you ignore the battery pollution, the electrics and gas/diesel cars pollute about equally.
#69. To: Rek (#67)
(Edited)
Just the existence of futures, hedge, derivatives funds and markets negates any negative effects from supply and demand. There is no free market. There never was and there never will be. The whole idea is a figment and a scam.
Political tags -- such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth -- are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
-- Robert A Heinlein
#70. To: Ignore Amos (#69)
Without the internet and computers, your "funds" only exist in cyber-space.
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