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Personal Liberty Digest
URL Source: http://www.personalliberty.com/news ... PLA_[P11449121]&rrid=306967465
Published: Mar 4, 2011
Author: Personal Liberty News Desk
Post Date: 2011-03-04 10:20:18 by CZ82
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State Workers Don’t Want To Play By Same Rules As Federal Employees March 4, 2011 by Personal Liberty News Desk Liberals across the United States are up in arms about several State proposals that would limit collective bargaining rights for public worker unions. Legislation has been filed, and protested, in Ohio, Tennessee, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas and Indiana. However, FOX News reported that the public outcry against these bills might be much ado about nothing. The Republican model being considered by many State legislatures is quite similar to the set of limitations placed on Federal employees. The Civil Service Reform Act (CSRA) of 1978, which was passed by Democratic President Jimmy Carter, limited the collective bargaining rights of Federal workers. No President or legislature has since overturned the CSRA because, according to a USA Today report, Federal employees are doing just fine. The news provider estimated that Federal workers out-earn their private-sector counterparts in the same jobs by an average of $7,000 per year. In regards to benefits, Federal employees, on average, earned approximately $30,000 more than their private-sector peers. In addition, some GOP lawmakers are calling for the end of "closed shops," which require State employees to join a union. According to FOX News, the elimination of this system has alarmed many liberal politicians because a percentage of union dues, which are mandatory contributions from employees, fund Democratic election campaigns. For example, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that the 14 Democratic State Senators who have fled Wisconsin to protest Governor Scott Walker's budget have benefited from union dues in the past. Approximately 20 percent of all campaign funds raised by these lawmakers during the last two election cycles came from public employees, according to the news source.
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#1. To: CZ82, lucysmom, Rek (#0)
So now you conservatives are against States Rights? LOL! Hypocrites.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Welcome to LF. Here, you'll need this: _____________________________________________________________________________________________ Walker's bill cuts funding to local governments and goes further by forbidding them from raising taxes locally to offset the lose of state money. Sounds like so-called conservatives don't like the idea of local government in control of the people it serves either. Its a one size fits all world for the GOP.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
You know, simply cutting $50 billion from the defense budget and shifting it to the states would ease a lot of these budget concerns.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
"Budget concerns" are not the issue - its the cover.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Oh I know, and then the GOP scream "class warefar!"
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
They see all the money in those pension funds and can't wait to redistribute it to their cronies, like the corporations do when they raid and dismantle.
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Here, you'll need this: when you deal with the local resident partisan hacks Thanx Amos I'll keep your wall in mind but I don't think I'll need it. I've dealt with many of them over the years and all you need to do is keep telling the truth and eventually they will either realize they were stupid, or they just have a massive coronary because they can't handle the truth..... You know what they say about learning; "If you're not learning something new everyday that you can use to improve yourself then it's your own fault. God didn't let you be born stupid, you just like being stupid"!!!!!
" America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." Quote from a book written in 1996. Since its now 2011 I wonder if now is the time to start shooting the bastards???
Why has union membership's decline not lead to a manufacturing rebirth in America? Or increases in wages for non union members? He [head pig Napoleon] believed that he was right in saying that the lower animals on Animal Farm did more work and received less food than any animals in the county. Indeed, he and his fellow-visitors today had observed many features which they intended to introduce on their own farms immediately. - Animal Farm
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You are already sounding like that Murron.
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I used to think that, too. Now I'm not so sure. I think the thing that is frustrating is so many are so two-dimensional, "everything D is good and everything R is bad" types. To me, it's interesting to engage someone who is multi-faceted. For an example, I am a pretty right-wing conservative - but I don't typically support these military excursions that a lot of my fellow conservatives support (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.) So to me, it would be interesting to go beyond the "Bush did it/Obama did it" paradigm and engage others in intelligent discussions. Hell, I don't like much of anything Obama has done - but at least I'm honest enough to give HIM credit for (so far, at least) doing the right thing vis-a-vis Libya and staying the hell out. Being a conservative, I don't know of any Democrats on the national scene I could ever support (is Zell Miller still around?). So I'm accused of being partisan. But there's damn few Republicans I could support either. Anyway, there are a few posters here on LF that are intelligent, multi-faceted types. (at the risk of leaving someone out, I won't mention any names. Once you've been here awhile, it will become apparent who they are.) The two-dimensional partisans will become obvious, too. Again, welcome.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ Embrace European style Christian democracy - it is a good blend of what is best in both left and right.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
But there's damn few Republicans I could support either. The only Democrat that I would have even thought about supporting was JFK. There used to be a time when Democrats were actually conservative but that stopped about 100 years before I was born. The only Republican I ever supported was Reagan even though he had some faults too.... He was my first Commander in Chief when I was in uniform and he treated us and the country well. Of course you won't hear the Democrats admit that even when they try to say (lie) they are like him.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I've heard of European political parties called "Christian Democrats" (there's one in Germany, I believe) Other than having "Christian" in their name (which of course would never fly here in the US) - how are they different from American Democrats or Liberals? And is it Rev. Wright style Christianity?
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ You mean you can't google this up yourself? From Time magazine 1953 edition http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,890558,00.html EUROPE'S CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04708a.htm What Christian democracy is was authoritatively laid down by Pope Leo XIII in his Encyclical "Graves de communi"
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I voted for Reagan twice. It's interesting when you say he had faults. This dovetails with something that's been on my mind recently. One of the problems we have in today's political realm is our tendency to put people - rather than ideals - on pedestals. Ideals (like being honorable, being moral, and living within one's means) are timeless. This makes them different than we humans (who may espouse those ideals). We are not timeless, perfect, or incorruptible. We are fallible. I'd like to see us put more emphasis on ideals and less on personalities. Reagan was (I believe) a good man, and a good president. Certainly the best one we've had in my lifetime. He supported good ideals. But was he perfect? Of course not - he was human. The trap we fall into when we become so enamored of personalities is that when these personalities fail - as they always will, then it gives an opening for the Left to attempt to discredit the IDEAL that the personality may have represented.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ It's not a trap - it was done on purpose - extolling Reagan - as a political tool by right wing groups. It goes to my point that for some reason those that are so called conservatives these days just accept these propaganda items thrown at them without question. It is almost cult like in its acceptance of a narrative that does not match reality.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You make my point. To me, it's fine to extol what he did and what he stood for. Just avoid the pedestals. (I'd hate to see conservatives fall into the same pattern that the libs did for years where they deified FDR. We should be smarter than that.)
_____________________________________________________________________________________________ Wise words.
Easily forgotten wisdom. Thanks for putting it where it is needed.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Directly from his Biography, kinda long but interesting.... and different from the Liberal view or should I say the way Liberals write his Biography..... Presidency First days Reagan's presidency began on a dramatic note when, after the inaugural ceremony ( original text), he announced at a luncheon that Iran had agreed to release the remaining American hostages. The timing of Iran's decision led to suspicions, which were never substantiated, that the Reagan campaign had made a secret deal with the Iranians to prevent the Carter administration from unveiling a so-called “October surprise”—the release of the hostages in October 1980, before election day. Then, on March 30, 1981, a deranged drifter named John W. Hinckley, Jr., fired six shots from a .22-calibre revolver at Reagan as he left a Washington, D.C., hotel. One of the bullets entered Reagan's chest, puncturing a lung and lodging one inch from his heart; another critically wounded Press Secretary James Brady. Rushed to George Washington University Hospital for emergency surgery, Reagan joked with doctors as he was being wheeled into the operating room: “I hope you're all Republicans.” After his release 12 days later, Reagan made a series of carefully staged public appearances designed to give the impression that he was recovering quickly, though in fact he remained seriously weakened for months and his workload was sharply curtailed. In August 1981, 13,000 members of the national union of air traffic controllers, the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PATCO)—one of the few unions to endorse Reagan in the 1980 election—walked off their jobs, demanding higher pay and better working conditions. As federal employees, the PATCO members were forbidden by law to strike, and Reagan, on the advice of Transportation Secretary Drew Lewis, refused to negotiate and gave them 48 hours to return to work. Most of the striking controllers ignored the ultimatum and were promptly fired. Although the firings caused delays and reductions in air traffic until replacements were hired and trained, the public generally reacted positively to Reagan's action, seeing it as a sign of decisiveness and conviction. As he later wrote, it “convinced people who might have thought otherwise that I meant what I said.” Domestic policies Following the so-called “supply-side” economic program he propounded in his campaign, Reagan proposed massive tax cuts—30 percent reductions in both individual and corporate income taxes over a three-year period—which he believed would stimulate the economy and eventually increase revenues from taxes as income levels grew. At the same time, he proposed large increases in military expenditures ($1.5 trillion over a five-year period) and significant cuts in “discretionary” spending on social-welfare programs such as education, food stamps, low-income housing, school lunches for poor children, Medicaid (the major program of health insurance for the poor), and Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC). In 1981 Congress passed most of the president's budget proposals, though the tax cut was scaled back slightly, to 25 percent. The results were mixed. A severe recession in 1982 pushed the nation's unemployment rate to nearly 11 percent, the highest it had been since the Great Depression. Bankruptcies and farm foreclosures reached record levels. The country's trade deficit increased from $25 billion in 1980 to $111 billion in 1984. In addition, the huge increases in military spending, combined with insufficient cuts in other programs, produced massive budget deficits, the largest in the country's history; by the end of Reagan's second term, the deficits would contribute to a tripling of the national debt, to more than $2.5 trillion. In order to address the deficit problem, Reagan backed away from strict supply-side theories to support a $98.3 billion tax increase in 1982. By early 1983 the economy had begun to recover, and by the end of that year unemployment and inflation were significantly reduced; they remained relatively low in later years. Economic growth continued through the remainder of Reagan's presidency, a period that his supporters would hail as “the longest peacetime expansion in American history.” Critics charged that the tax cuts and the fruits of economic growth benefited mainly the wealthy and that the gap between rich and poor had grown wider. In keeping with his aim of reducing the role of government in the country's economic life, Reagan cut the budgets of many government departments and relaxed or ignored the enforcement of laws and regulations administered by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Department of the Interior, the Department of Transportation, and the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice, among other agencies. After the administration and Congress reduced regulations governing the savings and loan industry in the early 1980s, many savings institutions expanded recklessly through the decade and eventually collapsed, requiring bailouts by the federal government that cost taxpayers some $500 billion. During his tenure in office, Reagan appointed more than half the federal judiciary and three new justices of the Supreme Court: Sandra Day O'Connor, the first woman appointed to the Supreme Court, Anthony Kennedy, and Antonin Scalia. He also elevated William Rehnquist to chief justice in 1986 upon the retirement of Warren Burger. Foreign affairs When he entered office in 1980, Reagan believed that the United States had grown weak militarily and had lost the respect it once commanded in world affairs. Aiming to restore the country to a position of moral as well as military preeminence in the world, he called for massive increases in the defense budget to expand and modernize the military and urged a more aggressive approach to combating communism and related forms of leftist totalitarianism. There is a whole lot more to his bio but this should answer the Leftists questions/statements, will save the rest for another time......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
State Workers Don’t Want To Play By Same Rules As Federal Employees
#2. To: CZ82 (#0)
when you deal with the local resident partisan hacks.
"If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. It you're 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain."
~Winston Churchill
#3. To: Godwinson (#1)
So now you conservatives are against States Rights? LOL! Hypocrites.
#4. To: lucysmom (#3)
Walker's bill cuts funding to local governments and goes further by forbidding them from raising taxes locally to offset the lose of state money. Sounds like so-called conservatives don't like the idea of local government in control of the people it serves either. Its a one size fits all world for the GOP.
#5. To: go65 (#4)
You know, simply cutting $50 billion from the defense budget and shifting it to the states would ease a lot of these budget concerns.
#6. To: lucysmom (#5)
"Budget concerns" are not the issue - its the cover.
#7. To: lucysmom (#5)
Budget concerns" are not the issue - its the cover.
#8. To: Ignore Amos (#2)
Welcome to LF.
#9. To: CZ82, Ignore Amos (#8)
(Edited)
#10. To: CZ82, Murron (#8)
You know what they say about learning; "If you're not learning something new everyday that you can use to improve yourself then it's your own fault. God didn't let you be born stupid, you just like being stupid"!!!!!
#11. To: CZ82 (#8)
I've dealt with many of them over the years and all you need to do is keep telling the truth and eventually they will either realize they were stupid, or they just have a massive coronary because they can't handle the truth.....
"If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. It you're 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain."
~Winston Churchill
#12. To: Ignore Amos (#11)
I think the thing that is frustrating is so many are so two-dimensional, "everything D is good and everything R is bad" types.
#13. To: Ignore Amos (#11)
Being a conservative, I don't know of any Democrats on the national scene I could ever support (is Zell Miller still around?). So I'm accused of being partisan.
#14. To: Godwinson (#12)
Embrace European style Christian democracy
"If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. It you're 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain."
~Winston Churchill
#15. To: Ignore Amos (#14)
(Edited)
#16. To: Ignore Amos (#14)
And is it Rev. Wright style Christianity?
#17. To: CZ82 (#13)
(Edited)
The only Republican I ever supported was Reagan even though he had some faults too.
"If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. It you're 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain."
~Winston Churchill
#18. To: Ignore Amos, CZ82 (#17)
e trap we fall into when we become so enamored of personalities is that when these personalities fail - as they always will, then it gives an opening for the Left to attempt to discredit the IDEAL that the personality may have represented.
#19. To: Godwinson (#18)
It's not a trap - it was done on purpose - extolling Reagan - as a political tool by right wing groups.
"If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. It you're 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain."
~Winston Churchill
#20. To: Ignore Amos (#17)
#21. To: Ignore Amos (#17)
#22. To: Godwinson (#18)
In short, a bogus myth about Reagan has become far more precious to today’s GOP than his actual record. Despite venerating Reagan, the party has moved to the right of him, suggesting that the federal government should be kneecapped and that a unilateralist, militaristic foreign policy would fulfill Reagan’s legacy. Reagan, however, did not demonize his enemies, snub allies or try to destroy the federal government.
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