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Blade-Less Swiss Army Knife Debuts As Weapon Laws Tighten Status: Not Logged In; Sign In LEFT WING LOONS See other LEFT WING LOONS Articles Title: Jabba the Hut Face Moore On Wealthy People's Money: "That's Not Theirs, That's A National Resource, It's Ours" Source: Real Clear Politics URL Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi ... ational_resource_its_ours.html Published: Mar 2, 2011 Author: unattributed Post Date: 2011-03-02 16:02:48 by A K A Stone Keywords: None Views: 16474 Comments: 26 "They're sitting on the money, they're using it for their own -- they're putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We've allowed them to take that. That's not theirs, that's a national resource, that's ours. We all have this -- we all benefit from this or we all suffer as a result of not having it," Michael Moore told Laura Flanders of GRITtv. "I think we need to go back to taxing these people at the proper rates. They need to -- we need to see these jobs as something we some, that we collectively own as Americans and you can't just steal our jobs and take them someplace else," Moore concluded. Poster Comment: Get the fuck out of my country you fat ugly moron. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: A K A Stone (#0) Get the fuck out of my country you fat ugly moron. Is that not what the rich did with our jobs? Took them out of our country - took their money out too that they made by outsourcing. Why do you defend outsourcing American jobs? What kind of traitor are you? "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-02   16:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Godwinson (#1) Why do you defend outsourcing American jobs? What kind of traitor are you? Don't lie about me. Comprende? A K A Stone  posted on  2011-03-02   16:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: A K A Stone (#2) Don't lie about me. Comprende? He's just doing to you what you love to do to others, assigning them a position based on nothing but your own biases. Don't like it? Then stop doing it yourself. "Am I for or against abstinence?" - Sarah Palin Skip Intro  posted on  2011-03-02   16:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Skip Intro, A K A Stone, Lucysmom (#3) (Edited) I like to know why Stone and his ilk are defending a class of people who took American jobs and sent them to Red China? It used to be men like Henry Ford wanted to pay their workers a good wage so they could afford his goods. But nowadays the goods sold in America that make these parasite rich classes richer don't require any American to make a good living - they are so cheap and cheaply made that the rich can still make a great profit just by sheer volume. There is no more patriotism or community involved between the consumer and producer. So why are they defending this treasonous behavior? In the 90s when Blue Dog Democrats and Republicans (most Republicans and some Democrats like Clinton) pushed for open borders - free trade - globalization - they promised it would lead to more American prosperity as we shed away old fashioned obsolete jobs like manufacturing in favor of service jobs and high end brain trust types of jobs like computer / web programing. So many people thought it sounded good and accepted the gambit. Clearly 20 years later the results are a disaster for the American middle class. When is enough enough? When will their water carrying end? Why are they still defending this ideology? Afraid they will look stupid for accepting it a generation ago and can't go back? "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-02   16:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: A K A Stone (#0) Someone should put the dumb bastard out of his misery. "Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-02   18:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Godwinson (#4) I like to know why Stone and his ilk are defending a class of people who took American jobs and sent them to Red China? I am not. I think that if people want to take their companies overseas. Then their should be huge tariffs put on their products. I'm not for hanging them like you said you are. I just want to make their products have such huge tariffs on them that it is better to keep the factories here. I was talking about Michael Moores moronic belief that peoples money is community money. I don't see him giving his money away. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-03-02   20:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Godwinson (#4) There is no more patriotism or community involved between the consumer and producer. So why are they defending this treasonous behavior? There is. And there isn't. Your brush is to broad. I supported Ross Perot in 92. I think time has proven him right on that giant sucking sound. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-03-02   20:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: A K A Stone (#7) I supported Ross Perot in 92 So did I. "Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-02   20:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Godwinson (#4) In the 90s when Blue Dog Democrats and Republicans (most Republicans and some Democrats like Clinton) pushed for open borders - free trade - globalization - they promised it would lead to more American prosperity as we shed away old fashioned obsolete jobs like manufacturing in favor of service jobs and high end brain trust types of jobs like computer / web programing. So many people thought it sounded good and accepted the gambit. I was against that and still am. I was a Pat Buchanan guy too. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-03-02   20:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Godwinson (#4) When is enough enough? When will their water carrying end? Why are they still defending this ideology? Afraid they will look stupid for accepting it a generation ago and can't go back? I think economic nationalism is a very popular idea that would resonate with lots and lots of people. Especially the young people who see the lack of jobs and are worried about what the future holds. I am in favor of repealing NAFTA, GATT and all other deals like that. We should work out trade deals with nations on a nation to nation basis. I also want the UN to disappear like its predecessor the league of nations. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-03-02   20:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: jwpegler (#8) I supported Ross Perot in 92 So did I. I went for Dole in 96. Clinton sucked so bad and I wanted him out of there. I voted for Keyes in the primaries. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-03-02   20:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: jwpegler, A K A Stone, go65, lucysmom, Brian S, mcgowanjm (#8) (Edited) What is wrong with you? Why are you still carrying water for the top 1% to 2% who got there because the vast majority made their money from outsourcing production and selling it back to the American people (who more and more were shifted onto lower paying service jobs) at the same price? Do you see much a difference in a pair of jeans made overseas or in America price wise or are they sold pretty much at the same dollar amount? The vast difference in low production cost vs the sales price is pocketed. That is exactly what Moore is saying. This money was stolen away through outsourcing. I will put it another way - the American people were told that if they supported outsourcing - globalization - the next phase in the economy would be one long boom because manufacturing was a dead end. Everyone would work in an office and do service jobs and even work from home, etc. Enough people bought into this economic ideology that in the 90s the switch over began (long planned but carried out under Clinton). Now we have has 20 years of it and the experiment failed. The American people have every right to ask for their money back from the people that lied to them about the benefits of this new economy that turned out to have been false advertising. Back to you. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-02   21:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: A K A Stone (#10) I also want the UN to disappear like its predecessor the league of nations The UN had nothing to do with it. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-02   21:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Godwinson (#13) I also want the UN to disappear like its predecessor the league of nations The UN had nothing to do with it. They are a facilitator of globalism. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-03-02   23:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: A K A Stone (#14) They are a facilitator of globalism. Nonsense, America's so called libertarian capitalists were the ones that helped spearhead the idea to the world based on the works of economists like David Ricardo. Go on Freerepublic in the 90s and you will read them pushing free trade/NAFTA. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-03   0:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Godwinson (#12) Now we have has 20 years of it and the experiment failed. ;} They feel that $$$. That power. It attracts them like a moth to light. " – The dirty secret of Koch Industries is its birth under the centrally-planned Soviet Union. Fred Koch, the founder of the company and father of David and Charles, helped construct fifteen oil refineries for Joseph Stalin before expanding the business in the United States. – As Yasha Levine has reported, Koch exploits a number of government programs for profit. For instance, Georgia Pacific, a timber company subsidiary of Koch Industries, uses taxpayer money provided by the U.S. Forestry Service to provide their loggers with taxpayer-funded roads and access to virgin growth forests. “Logging companies such as Georgia-Pacific strip lands bare, destroy vast acreages and pay only a small fee to the federal government in proportion to what they take from the public,” according to the Institute for Public Accuracy. Levine also notes that Koch’s cattle ranching company, Matador Cattle Company, uses a New Deal program to profit off federal land for free. – Koch Industries won massive government contracts using their close relationship with the Bush administration. The Bush administration, in a deal even conservatives alleged was a quid pro quo because of Koch’s campaign donations, handed Koch Industries a lucrative contract to supply the nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve with 8 million barrels of crude oil. The SPR deal, done initially in 2002, was renewed in 2004 by Bush administration officials. During the occupation of Iraq, Koch won significant contracts to buy Iraqi crude oil. " ThinkProgress.com mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-03-03   8:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: A K A Stone (#0) So how much of that $2.5 Trillion Oct 08 Bailout that was leveraged 10X to $25 Trillion did you get, A K? Why can't I back my truck up to the US Treasury for a TBTF profit/bonus? 8D And not one bankster has gon e to jail. Inside Job. Oscar winner. ;} mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-03-03   8:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: All (#17) Babylonian Theology If the gods themselves grew tired of ceaseless labor and rebelled, making the clay things that we are, endowing us with sufficient mind and spirit not only to do their work but also look and yearn beyond, why shouldn't we in our turn overthrow divine order in search of ease, rich pleasures and idleness? Death, you say, will follow; but death is here already, it waits on the good servant and the bad, swallows both, swallows all. Why then blister your hand with the heft of an axe when you might instead lay it gently on some soft flesh? But for god's sake, don't tell the children that's what it's all about. For who would serve as cannon fodder for plutocratic domination if this radical doctrine ever takes hold?" chrisfloyd.com mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-03-03   8:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Godwinson (#12) Now we have has 20 years of it and the experiment failed. The American people have every right to ask for their money back from the people that lied to them about the benefits of this new economy that turned out to have been false advertising. Back to you. One of those moments was set in motion by something that was almost certainly meant to have the opposite effect. This was the recent pronouncement from umpty-billionaire Warren Buffett, who clambered into the media pulpit last week to insist that the United States is not in decline, and indeed that its best days are still ahead of it. A man with Buffett’s income can be forgiven for believing this; the last few decades, after all, have been inordinately good for umpty-billionaires, though they’ve been rather noticeably less so for the other 99-plus per cent of the American people. As long as the current order of affairs remains welded in place in Washington DC and elsewhere, it’s entirely possible that the days of billion-dollar bonuses for the guys at the top are not quite over yet." thearchdruidreport.com mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-03-03   8:59:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: All (#19) How “Corporate Personhood” Was Smuggled Into the Constitution Filed under: Corporatism, Law, Sovereignty and Constitution — Tags: Supreme Court — Russ @ 6:28 am attempter.wordpress.com mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-03-03   9:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: mcgowanjm (#20) Notice how they used standard deflections against Moore - but when I changed the way the argument is framed they had nothing? And in fact agreed with me? Tells you that these people have been manipulated t the point they have become mindless knee jerk '1984' like proles.... "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-03-03   9:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Godwinson (#21) They'll learn. One way or the other. And won't go anywhere until they do. mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-03-03   10:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: mcgowanjm (#16) Levine also notes that Koch’s cattle ranching company, Matador Cattle Company, uses a New Deal program to profit off federal land for free. Oh Damn..... don't tell me they own the old Matador Ranch too? "http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi" Rek  posted on  2011-03-03   11:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: mcgowanjm (#17) And not one bankster has gon e to jail. That's the beauty of deregulation - no laws, no illegal activity, no jail. Defunding government oversight (shrinking the size of government) works too, also and has the added benefit of proving government can't get the job done. You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand lucysmom  posted on  2011-03-03   11:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Godwinson (#21) Notice how they used standard deflections against Moore - but when I changed the way the argument is framed they had nothing? And in fact agreed with me? Tells you that these people have been manipulated t the point they have become mindless knee jerk '1984' like proles.... It is the political value of slogans over thought. Bemoan the loss of good middle class jobs while blaming the victims for being poor and out of work; then complain that the poor and out of work don't pay taxes (which isn't true to begin with). You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand lucysmom  posted on  2011-03-03   11:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Rek (#23) Oh Damn..... don't tell me they own the old Matador Ranch too? ;} mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-03-03   20:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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