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The Water Cooler Title: Top Neocon Faults Obama for Not Showing "Loyalty" to Israel It has been a week since the United States vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution opposing Israeli settlements. You can't help but wonder if the Obama administration is now having second thoughts. Forget the policy ramifications of the veto: that it badly damaged America's chances of facilitating negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians and that it further alienated the United States from the Arab and Muslim world at a critical moment in history. Lay aside that the veto cut the Israeli peace camp off at the knees while vindicating Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's policy of never giving an inch to the Palestinians (or to the Americans). And, obviously, don't even think about the hypocrisy of the United States voting against its own long-standing policy on settlements. No. Focus instead on the domestic politics because, after all, the U.S. opposed the resolution in order to guard President Obama from attacks by the right wing of the pro-Israel community, that small minority of the community whose mantra is "Bibi, right or wrong." For some reason the administration believed that vetoing the resolution would appease that crowd. That belief is responsible for over two years of vacillation on the issue of Israeli settlements (the key issue thwarting negotiations). But here is what the Obama administration does not understand about the politics. The "Bibi, right or wrongers" are not Obama supporters and will not be voting for him in the next election. They certainly will not be sending him campaign contributions. Why would they? They did not support Obama in 2008, largely because they did not believe that anyone named Barack Obama could ever share their skewed view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And, as the 2009 Cairo speech demonstrated, he doesn't. He supports Israel but believes -- and he has said this often -- that supporting Israel requires ending the occupation and establishing a Palestinian state in the occupied territories. Nothing Obama does will convince the "right or wrongers" that he is on their side because he isn't. He is, however, on Israel's side -- and the Palestinians' side as well. Unfortunately, the lobby and a few of his advisers seem to have convinced him that being true to his beliefs will cost him in the 2012 election. Hence the veto. Obama has the politics wrong. According to the 2010 American Jewish Committee poll (the largest and most respected poll of the Jewish community's political attitudes) 64 percent of Jewish voters favor the dismantling of all or some of Israeli settlements. Obviously, that 64 percent will not be lost to Obama for condemning settlement expansion. Another AJC poll, this one in 2008, showed that only 3 percent of American Jews considered Israel their primary issue in the 2008 elections. (By way of contrast, 65 percent chose either the economy or health care as their top concern.) So who might be impressed by the veto? People who will be supporting Romney, Huckabee, Palin or whoever the GOP nominates in 2012. Here is one (there are many) example of how unimpressed the "Bibi, right or wrongers" were by the president's veto. This appeared in Commentary -- the bible of the neoconservatives -- and was written by its editor, Jonathan S. Tobin. Tobin, although not well known, is a leading voice in the "Israel can do no wrong" chorus. In theory, he should be praising Obama for vetoing the resolution. He isn't. And that is because although Obama vetoed the resolution, he only did so after first attempting to head it off with a statement that still would have criticized settlements. Tobin believes that the president should have simply endorsed Israel's position as if Obama were, say, the editor of Commentary and not President of the United States. So, to please Tobin and his crowd, the president must not only do whatever the right-wing leader of the Israeli government wants him to do, he must so with enthusiasm. Israel, for its part, need not do anything the United States wants. For instance, Tobin does not even mention that the United States (which provides Israel with $3.5 billion in aid every year and exempts it from the budget cuts applied to virtually all other programs) asked Israel for a mere 90-day settlement freeze to facilitate negotiations. Netanyahu couldn't even be bothered to respond, even when Obama offered him an extra $3.5 billion to sweeten the pot. But Tobin doesn't care about that. For him, the U.S.-Israel relationship is a one-way street. The U.S. gives and Israel gets. And this is who the administration tries to placate. The White House needs to learn that there is simply no point in trying to win over this bunch. They cannot be appeased except by the complete subordination of U.S. interests to those of Netanyahu. Tobin himself admits it. At one point in the Commentary piece, he writes that he does not credit Obama's veto as proof that he is a "friend of Israel." After all, he contends, Obama was only pushed to veto by the Palestinians' "intransigence" rather than by "Obama's loyalty to his Israeli ally." Loyalty? Is it part of a president's job description to be loyal to a foreign country? Obama isn't "loyal" even to Canada or the United Kingdom. His loyalty is to the United States, which he, like every president, attempts to fulfill through policies he believes advance those interests (including pursuing Israeli-Palestinian peace). But loyalty to Israel? No, I don't think President Obama's loyalty quite runs in that direction. (Nor would any American president's.) That is what the "Netanyahu right-or-wrong" crowd will never accept. That is why appeasing them is as pointless as it is destructive to U.S. interests. And there is another more cynical reason why they can be safely ignored. They represent pretty much no one, which is why President Obama received close to 80 percent of the Jewish vote in the last election and will do just as well next time. There is no chance that the president will lose that support just because he promotes policies that advance U.S. interests by promoting peace. To think otherwise is to suggest that American Jews are something less than Americans. And that is a damnable lie. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 8.
#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Brian. Brian. There is something you need to learn. Muslims are the bad guys. Israel is the good guys. The Koran is to wipe your ass with. The Bible is to teach you the way to be.
You're in a cult, A K. I know it's hard for you to understand. But you need to take baby steps to wean yourself from it. Start focusing on how christians treat the world like they can destroy it for their beliefs. That's a start. Like this. Ensign, one of your fellow cultists: "Senator John Ensign, Republican of Nevada, introduced a bill last month to require all low-security prisoners to work 50 hours a week. Creating a national prison labor force has been a goal since he went to Congress in 1995, but it makes even more sense in this economy, he said. “Think about how much it costs to incarcerate someone,” Mr. Ensign said. “Do we want them just sitting in prison, lifting weights, becoming violent and thinking about the next crime? Or do we want them having a little purpose in life and learning a skill?” Financial experts agree." Source NYT 8D
What are you babbling about. The massive evacuations in the Gulf? Oh no not this time. I can't find those verses or anything similar in the Bible. You're all over the map.
Note not a word about Ensign. See, the problem is that you have a Very Narrow view of how the world works, with your disciples working overtime to limit that world view further. Never is there a comparison of your CrazyCracker demagogues with what you purport to be crazy. I just remedied that. And of course you can't acknowledge same. No mystery there. The massive evacuations in the Gulf?: And you want to talk about the USbpEcocide in the Gulf of Mexico now? Sure. Btw, you really need to understand that yukon/blewfartsky is being ignored and that anything he says is batshit crazynazi- just sayin. 8D "Researcher undergoes “decontamination” after working with dead baby dolphins February 27th, 2011 at 06:50 AM Researchers carry a heavy load with dolphin deaths, Sun Herald, February 26, 2011: A research assistant, … Read more >>...source floridaoilspilllaw.com
We were talking about how you said I was in a cult because I believe in God. You then started talking about some dude wanting to make prisoners work. You have several screws loose.
yes. You then started talking about some dude wanting to make prisoners work. Some dude? Ensign is some dude? You want to stay with that one? Cause that's just one off hand quote I pulled from one of your multi millionaire cult believers. And beleive me, Ensign has some crazycracker cult habits. I'm just sayin' that when you and yours start pulling 'your examples of crazy' out for observation, I've got a closet full of 'crazy' to show you as well. 8D 'You have several screws loose.' And you are normal. Is that your arguement, A K? That if you don't believe in the Great White Cloud Father who will always take time out to fix a ball game for the true believer 8D you've got screws loose? And jesus then rode in on his dinosaur. Screw Loose?
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