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Title: Top Neocon Faults Obama for Not Showing "Loyalty" to Israel
Source: Huffington
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-ro ... n-faults-obama-f_b_828620.html
Published: Feb 26, 2011
Author: MJ Rosenberg
Post Date: 2011-02-26 19:32:14 by Brian S
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Comments: 27

It has been a week since the United States vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution opposing Israeli settlements. You can't help but wonder if the Obama administration is now having second thoughts.

Forget the policy ramifications of the veto: that it badly damaged America's chances of facilitating negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians and that it further alienated the United States from the Arab and Muslim world at a critical moment in history. Lay aside that the veto cut the Israeli peace camp off at the knees while vindicating Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's policy of never giving an inch to the Palestinians (or to the Americans). And, obviously, don't even think about the hypocrisy of the United States voting against its own long-standing policy on settlements.

No. Focus instead on the domestic politics because, after all, the U.S. opposed the resolution in order to guard President Obama from attacks by the right wing of the pro-Israel community, that small minority of the community whose mantra is "Bibi, right or wrong."

For some reason the administration believed that vetoing the resolution would appease that crowd. That belief is responsible for over two years of vacillation on the issue of Israeli settlements (the key issue thwarting negotiations).

But here is what the Obama administration does not understand about the politics.

The "Bibi, right or wrongers" are not Obama supporters and will not be voting for him in the next election. They certainly will not be sending him campaign contributions.

Why would they? They did not support Obama in 2008, largely because they did not believe that anyone named Barack Obama could ever share their skewed view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And, as the 2009 Cairo speech demonstrated, he doesn't. He supports Israel but believes -- and he has said this often -- that supporting Israel requires ending the occupation and establishing a Palestinian state in the occupied territories.

Nothing Obama does will convince the "right or wrongers" that he is on their side because he isn't. He is, however, on Israel's side -- and the Palestinians' side as well.

Unfortunately, the lobby and a few of his advisers seem to have convinced him that being true to his beliefs will cost him in the 2012 election. Hence the veto.

Obama has the politics wrong. According to the 2010 American Jewish Committee poll (the largest and most respected poll of the Jewish community's political attitudes) 64 percent of Jewish voters favor the dismantling of all or some of Israeli settlements. Obviously, that 64 percent will not be lost to Obama for condemning settlement expansion.

Another AJC poll, this one in 2008, showed that only 3 percent of American Jews considered Israel their primary issue in the 2008 elections. (By way of contrast, 65 percent chose either the economy or health care as their top concern.)

So who might be impressed by the veto? People who will be supporting Romney, Huckabee, Palin or whoever the GOP nominates in 2012.

Here is one (there are many) example of how unimpressed the "Bibi, right or wrongers" were by the president's veto.

This appeared in Commentary -- the bible of the neoconservatives -- and was written by its editor, Jonathan S. Tobin. Tobin, although not well known, is a leading voice in the "Israel can do no wrong" chorus.

In theory, he should be praising Obama for vetoing the resolution. He isn't.

And that is because although Obama vetoed the resolution, he only did so after first attempting to head it off with a statement that still would have criticized settlements. Tobin believes that the president should have simply endorsed Israel's position as if Obama were, say, the editor of Commentary and not President of the United States.

Things could be worse. Had the U.S. not vetoed the resolution it would have been the final signal that this administration really was determined to cut loose the Israelis. But by showing that the veto was cast reluctantly and with ill will, the effect is not much different. So while relations could still deteriorate further, there is no doubt that Obama's negative feelings toward Israel are becoming a serious factor in Middle East diplomacy...

So, to please Tobin and his crowd, the president must not only do whatever the right-wing leader of the Israeli government wants him to do, he must so with enthusiasm.

Israel, for its part, need not do anything the United States wants. For instance, Tobin does not even mention that the United States (which provides Israel with $3.5 billion in aid every year and exempts it from the budget cuts applied to virtually all other programs) asked Israel for a mere 90-day settlement freeze to facilitate negotiations. Netanyahu couldn't even be bothered to respond, even when Obama offered him an extra $3.5 billion to sweeten the pot.

But Tobin doesn't care about that. For him, the U.S.-Israel relationship is a one-way street. The U.S. gives and Israel gets.

And this is who the administration tries to placate.

The White House needs to learn that there is simply no point in trying to win over this bunch. They cannot be appeased except by the complete subordination of U.S. interests to those of Netanyahu.

Tobin himself admits it. At one point in the Commentary piece, he writes that he does not credit Obama's veto as proof that he is a "friend of Israel." After all, he contends, Obama was only pushed to veto by the Palestinians' "intransigence" rather than by "Obama's loyalty to his Israeli ally."

Loyalty? Is it part of a president's job description to be loyal to a foreign country? Obama isn't "loyal" even to Canada or the United Kingdom. His loyalty is to the United States, which he, like every president, attempts to fulfill through policies he believes advance those interests (including pursuing Israeli-Palestinian peace).

But loyalty to Israel? No, I don't think President Obama's loyalty quite runs in that direction. (Nor would any American president's.)

That is what the "Netanyahu right-or-wrong" crowd will never accept. That is why appeasing them is as pointless as it is destructive to U.S. interests.

And there is another more cynical reason why they can be safely ignored. They represent pretty much no one, which is why President Obama received close to 80 percent of the Jewish vote in the last election and will do just as well next time.

There is no chance that the president will lose that support just because he promotes policies that advance U.S. interests by promoting peace. To think otherwise is to suggest that American Jews are something less than Americans. And that is a damnable lie.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Brian. Brian. There is something you need to learn. Muslims are the bad guys. Israel is the good guys. The Koran is to wipe your ass with. The Bible is to teach you the way to be.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-27   7:30:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Brian. Brian. There is something you need to learn. Muslims are the bad guys. Israel is the good guys. The Koran is to wipe your ass with. The Bible is to teach you the way to be.

mmm....

Jews: Old Testament (Torah) -> Talmud

Christians: Old Testament -> New Testament

Muslims: Old Testament -> New Testament -> Koran

Mormons: Old Testament -> New Testament -> Book of Mormon

Who believes in the New Testament? Christians and Jews? No.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a son of god and an important profit. They have a different interpretation of the deity of Christ as did some early Christian sects, like the Gnosticts.

Jews on the other don't believe in the New Testament or Christ at all. AT ALL.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-27   15:44:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#9)

Muslims believe that Jesus was a son of god and an important profit.

I think you are incorrect there. It is my understanding that they talk about Jesus being a great prophet. But they deny he is the son of God or that he was born of a virgin. I think their book is evil. They put Christ in it to camouflage the true nature of their satanic book.

The Bible teaches that the Jews got it wrong but will eventually come to understand the truth.

I'm not claiming to be the know it all expert. But that is the way I understand it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-27   16:09:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#10)

The Bible teaches that the Jews got it wrong but will eventually come to understand the truth.

The New Testament teaches no such thing.

Traditional Christians believe that Jews were chosen to spread god's word. When they rejected Jesus, Christians became the chosen people.

The view that Jews will once again become God's chosen people (after Christians are "raptured") was created by John Nelson Darby in the 19th century. Darby treated the Bible as jigsaw puzzle -- gluing together passages from the Old Testament and New, out of context.

Darby's theory is called "Dispensationalism". It road through America on the back of the Pentecostal movement, which was created in the early 20th century. That's how it became popular here.

The bulk of the world's Christians do not believe this. They believe that Christians are God's chosen people (chosen to spread god's word) because we believe in Christ.

Again, at least Muslims believe that there was a Jesus and that he was acting upon God's behalf. That doesn't get you saved, but it's very different than believing that Jesus never existed and that the New Testament is nothing more than a piece of anti-Semitic garbage (which is what the bulk of Jews believe).

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-27   16:26:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: jwpegler (#13)

The Bible teaches that the Jews got it wrong but will eventually come to understand the truth.

The New Testament teaches no such thing.

<< Romans 11 >> King James Version 1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller? 35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-27   16:29:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#16) (Edited)

Romans mentions Jews, Gentles, and Israel (not Israelis). Romans does not say that all Jews will be saved. It does not say that all Israelis will be saved. It says that all of Israel will be saved.

There are several interpretations of what "Israel" means in the New Testament. Some people believe that the term "Israel" in the New Testament means people who believe in Christ. Others believe it means ethnic Jews. Others believe it means ethnic Jews who accept Christ. Still others believe it means the U.K. and American (who are the "lost tribes"). The last interpretation is clearly wrong in my view.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-27   17:49:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: jwpegler (#22)

Issac became Israel. So it would be his descendants. The Israelis are the Jews. That is what I believe.

I don't believe in the rapture. I think the verses people use to make that case are actually referring to the second coming.

Besides when they asked Jesus what the signs of the end would be in Matthew Chapter 24. It doesn't mention a rapture. It also talks about praying that your their flight doesn't happen in the winter. If there was a rapture they wouldn't need to pray about that issue.

The Jews were Jesus's people. In Matthew doesn't it talk about his people. Just some thoughts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-27   17:57:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#23) (Edited)

I don't believe in the rapture. I think the verses people use to make that case are actually referring to the second coming.

That's my belief too -- it's the second coming.

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