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Title: The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions
Source: Forbes
URL Source: http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2 ... g-to-public-employee-pensions/
Published: Feb 25, 2011
Author: Rick Ungar
Post Date: 2011-02-25 23:27:34 by lucysmom
Keywords: Politics, Pensions, lies
Views: 39253
Comments: 57

Pulitzer Prize winning tax reporter, David Cay Johnston, has written a brilliant piece for http://tax.com exposing the truth about who really pays for the pension and benefits for public employees in Wisconsin.

"Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers."

Via http://tax.com

How can this be possible?

Simple. The pension plan is the direct result of deferred compensation- money that employees would have been paid as cash salary but choose, instead, to have placed in the state operated pension fund where the money can be professionally invested (at a lower cost of management) for the future.

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direct result of deferred compensation- money that employees would have been paid as cash salary but choose, instead, to have placed in the state operated pension fund

So instead of getting 125,000 dollars a year paid directly to them, they get 100,000 with 25,000 going to their retirement funds. It still all comes from the taxpayer's pocket. How stupid do you leftards think we all are?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-02-26   12:37:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: no gnu taxes, lucysmom (#14)

So instead of getting 125,000 dollars a year paid directly to them, they get 100,000 with 25,000 going to their retirement funds. It still all comes from the taxpayer's pocket. How stupid do you leftards think we all are?

The employee is still using their own earned money, so what's the problem?

Actually under a Republican governor more than twenty years ago, they did go with an employer contributions only retirement plan they called Tier 2. Lots of employees got caught on that when they let them cash out their own contributions and take them in a lump sum. Later on they found out they would have to work until they were eighty five or so to afford to retire. lol So most ended up putting their own contributions back into the system and going back to the original Tier 1.

The state also contracted with a provider under the Savings Plus Program to provide 401k's, 457s etc. All paid entirely by employee contributions with no state matching at least for the rank and file employees.

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The employee is still using their own earned money, so what's the problem?

The problem is that government employees don't deserve to be paid because the money comes out of the taxpayer's pocket. Teachers shouldn't be paid unless they work for a private school. Mailmen shouldn't be paid unless they work for FedEx or UPS. Its ok to take money out of the consumer's pocket but not the tax payer's.

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