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Title: To the dumbasses here who think Alaska is "socialist"
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Published: Feb 23, 2011
Author: note to site dumbasses
Post Date: 2011-02-23 18:00:01 by no gnu taxes
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Socialism (and Communism) is the government taking from one person and giving it to another. Alaska is merely taking revenues derived from people owned resources and distributing it back to the people with the government having no say in who gets what; it's distributed equally without regard to so called "need." The oil is not State owned. It is people owned. They are simply giving the residents back the money that the oil companies paid to drill on their lands. Being a resident means they own a piece of that land so if money is made off of it they should have a right to it. I know you fucking moron socialists who think everything is State owned won't get this, but screw you anyway.
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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Isn't that how stockholders derive dividends?
. Don't confuse these libTURD dum azzes with the actual TRUTH. TRUTH has nothing at all to do with them or their lives. The messiah 'king" obammy and the DNC et. al. tell these fools what to 'think", and when to "think" it. They are bovine like herd dwelling scum.
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Rattberg's too stupid to understand that the People owning the resources IS Socialism.
It isn't socialism, stupid, Its Communism. Stop trying to hid behind semantics, coward.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Are stockholders socialism, retarded dwarf?
Are stockholders socialism, retarded dwarf? war is too fucking stupid torealize the difference between some ridiculous Utopian socialist dream and the way Socialism has always been practiced.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
That fookin moron is not only stupid, but a coward and a fraud.
Stockholders don't own resources, they own stock. They own shares in a public or private corporation. Stockholders own the stock, but not the corporation itself, not the corporations profit, and they are not investors, as in the contributors of capital. And they don't own the resources a corporation uses to manufacture a product.
The stock is part of the value of the company/corporation/resource.
That's not true. The stock may be part of the value of the company/corporation, but not the resource.
And they are treated like scum by the corporate directors that dole themselves HUGE benefit packages (sometimes 1000X the average worker) while claiming the corporation isn't doing well; Ford Motors is an excellent example.
If stockholders don't own a corporation, then who does. After all, isn't stock nothing more than a share of ownership in a company?
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
People are sheep for the most part. They are ripped off too, but you will not convince 99% of them of that fact. That's why I haven't owned stock since the 80's.
Not really. Shareholders in the primary market who buy IPOs provide capital to corporations; however, the vast majority of shareholders are in the secondary market and provide no capital directly to the corporation. Therefore, contrary to popular opinion, shareholders of American public corporations are NOT the (1) owners of the corporation, (2) the claimants of the profit, or (3) investors, as in the contributors of capital. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareholder
The founders of the corporation own the corporation. They may sell stock, which is a fraction of ownership in a business. A business may declare different types (classes) of shares, each having distinctive ownership rules, privileges, or share values. But we were talking about resources.
Owning stock is part of my entire portfolio. Like everything else, it is an investment consideration but the real win in stocks is to buy low and sell high. I have seen my total investment package rise in tremendous value because of market speculation over the past year. But you are absolutely correct; these corporations treat us like scum; BTW, the cash value of stocks can be taken to the bank by the corporate owners for further capatailzation for man, machine and other resources (like purchasing another corporation) and if the corporation goes bad; the stockholder loses. If the corporation does well, the stockholder receives a peanut for being an annoyance.
You're braver than I am. I guess if you're buying and selling, you're not at that much risk. But the days of long term investing in the stock market are gone for me. I just refuse to allow my money to be taken. I have good friends and coworkers who recently lost 40% of their retirement. I'd go ballistic if I 'lost' 40%. I'm winding down, I don't want any risk.
Good for you! If you can work it, work it. I'd advise you to always have an exit plan though.
And you're not the only one I know who is doing quite well right now. I admire you guys but I'm just not willing to take the risk any more.
Rattberg is too stupid to understand why stockholders are also called "shareholders" and that their shares can be declared worthless while the corporation continues.
Thank you. But back to your original point, very few people go into stocks for direct earnings/share value; few companies are viable enough for predictability with the idea of dividends. Corporations treat common stockholders as though they less than animals; we are to be beaten at every corporate board meeting along with the rank and file employees.
Yes we are. The structure of the Alaskan people owning ALL natural resources in common is in the Alaskan Constitution ratified and signed in 1959. This Constitution had been approved by the Congress before ratification. This was done because of the hardship of living Alaska, and how difficult it is to get any MONEY in Alaska. It was really done to fund state gooberment. The Congress didn't have a problem with doing this because up to then there had been no real BIG money coming out of Alaskan resource exploitation. Many it had been locatable metal, copper and fish and lumber. When OIL was found at Funny River in the early sixties and then all over the damned state, the feds got suddenly concerned about the split of the take. OIL meant MEGA BUCKS for somebody. So Uncle Ted Stevens and his wacky bunch of feral whores allowed Congress to lower the percentages of the split from 90% to 10% on all OIL. To this day, unless you hold a locatable feral claim OR the Alaska state equivalent, you have NO MINERAL RIGHTS FOR ANY LAND THAT YOU SUPPOSEDLY "OWN". We can't even legally use GRAVEL from our own land on our own land. The state tells us that it's an even trade. The Alaskan people get a PART of a percentage of a five year average of the interest on the body of the fund containing the OIL split, AND THE STATE GETS ALL ALASKAN MINERAL RIGHTS. I don't like it, and alot of us don't like it. We tried to stop getting that little sliver of the fund and to restore our INDIVIDUAL MINERAL RIGHTS by "cashing out" BUT the feral gooberment would have taken like 80% of it. So any way that we go Alaskans are kinda fucked. This is how it is. If you want to call it "socialism" have at it I really don't care what you ignorant wannabe cheechakos F ing say or "think". This isn't the lower 48. EVERYTHING is HARDER and MORE EXPENSIVE and LESS CHOICE and EXTREME in Alaska. This works for Alaska. All you have to do is live here one year, and plan on living here from then on, to get your share. Come on up and try it wannabe cheechakos. (Btw the more Alaskans the less the specific PFD). See if the PFD is worth living here for. Do ANY of you wannabe cheechakos know what "FEDERALISM" means? Do any of you wannabe cheechakos understand why it's called the "FEDERAL" Gooberment? Why do you hate the founders? Why do you hate LIBERTY? Do you wannabe cheechakos really think that what works where ever you live, works everywhere else in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA? Do you wannabe cheechakos think that you ought to live the way New York tells you to live? It's the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, NOT the SAME STATES of AMERICA you wannabe cheechakos. Of course none of this means anything to these mental midget libTURD herd dwellers. They are just snot nosed infantile word parsing agenda driven idiots, totally unconcerned with the objective truth about ANYTHING.
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
We all are.
Yep.
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
I am packing my sleeping bag right now with a couple of boxes of MREs. I am thumbing my way up the highway as you chat on the Internet.
Since by it's very definition government is a socialist entity, I didn't realize that Alaska had incorporated. It has now has the best of both worlds: the ability to redistribute wealth (dividends) to it's citizens (shareholders) and the power to put it's own 'shareholders' in jail.
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After all, isn't stock nothing more than a share of ownership in a company? It's exactly what I said dumbass. I am not even getting into what corporate manipulations occur. Who the fuck is Rattberg, anyway?
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
IN the late 60's, Alaska had to amend its constitution to create a "Permafund" into which the 25% [I think] royalty fees get deposited. When the original pipeline deal was struck in 68, some in bed with Big Oil asshole found a loophole that ended up punting almost all of the ~1bln "royalty" that the "people" were supposed to get up front back to the oil companies.
Monti de Pasci Bank in Spain was empowered to execute depositers which habitually violate its rules.
What is of value besides the resource itself in oil companies and mining companies?
Why do you hate the founders? Why do you hate LIBERTY? Do you wannabe cheechakos really think that what works where ever you live, works everywhere else in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA? Do you wannabe cheechakos think that you ought to live the way New York tells you to live? It's the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, NOT the SAME STATES of AMERICA you wannabe cheechakos. Excellent post, Mad Dog. It won't educate the fookin ignorant lib assholes, but it might shed some light for curious lurkers.
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I've given you nothing but facts and truth. You can choose to believe them or disregard them, but you cannot change them.
What is of value besides the resource itself in oil companies and mining companies?
Just like on LP, you'll spin your wheels till the very end. Drilling rigs, wellheads, hoists, lifts, compressors, pumps, pipe-handling equipment, transport equipment, computers, software, etc. Neither your question or the answer will prove that stockholders own resources.
Your claims and statements don't prove they don't.
No, they don't. The truth was the truth long before you and I discussed it. I just relayed the information. As I said before, you can believe it or disregard it. I really don't care which you choose.
I'm sure you don't. It's obvious you aren't interested in the truth. Individuals actually pooled their money years ago and bought oil leases. They owned no equipment, just the leases, potential resource and drilling rights.
And none of that has any bearing on whether or not stockholders in a corporation own the resources that the corporation uses to manufacture products. You can wish it were so, but that won't make it so. You can rationalize it any way you'd like to, but that won't make it true. Maybe you can get Goldi to register here, to help you through these hard times too?
Oil is the resource and the product. Those stockholders owned the resource. Open your eyes and read a little about history.
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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
#3. To: All (#0)
#4. To: war (#3)
#5. To: war, All (#3)
Rattberg's too stupid to understand that the People owning the resources IS Socialism.
#6. To: Ibluafartsky (#5)
Rattberg's too stupid to understand that the People owning the resources IS Socialism.
#7. To: no gnu taxes, war (#6)
war is too fucking stupid
#8. To: Ibluafartsky (#5)
Are stockholders socialism
#9. To: We The People (#8)
Stockholders don't own resources, they own stock.
#10. To: Ibluafartsky (#9)
The stock is part of the value of the company/corporation/resource.
#11. To: We The People (#8)
Stockholders own the stock, but not the corporation itself
#12. To: We The People (#8)
Stockholders own the stock, but not the corporation itself
#13. To: buckeroo (#11)
And they are treated like scum by the corporate directors that dole themselves HUGE benefit packages (sometimes 1000X the average worker) while claiming the corporation isn't doing well; Ford Motors is an excellent example.
#14. To: no gnu taxes (#12)
If stockholders don't own a corporation, then who does. After all, isn't stock nothing more than a share of ownership in a company?
#15. To: no gnu taxes (#12)
If stockholders don't own a corporation, then who does. After all, isn't stock nothing more than a share of ownership in a company?
#16. To: We The People (#13)
#17. To: buckeroo (#16)
Owning stock is part of my entire portfolio.
#18. To: buckeroo (#16)
I have seen my total investment package rise in tremendous value because of market speculation over the past year.
#19. To: buckeroo (#16)
#20. To: We The People (#14)
#21. To: We The People (#18)
#22. To: We The People, no gnu taxes, ALL you libTARD wannabe cheechakos (#15)
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But we were talking about resources.
#23. To: Mad Dog (#22)
So any way that we go Alaskans are kinda fucked.
#24. To: We The People (#23)
#25. To: Mad Dog (#22)
All you have to do is live here one year, and plan on living here from then on, to get your share. Come on up
#26. To: war (#20)
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Rattberg is too stupid to understand why stockholders are also called "shareholders" and that their shares can be declared worthless while the corporation continues.
#27. To: war (#20)
Rattberg is too stupid to understand why stockholders are also called "shareholders" and that their shares can be declared worthless while the corporation continues.
#28. To: Rek (#26)
#29. To: Rek (#26)
...and the power to put it's own 'shareholders' in jail.
#30. To: We The People (#10)
The stock may be part of the value of the company/corporation, but not the resource.
#31. To: Mad Dog (#22)
Do any of you wannabe cheechakos understand why it's called the "FEDERAL" Gooberment?
#32. To: Ibluafartsky (#31)
#33. To: Ibluafartsky (#30)
What is of value besides the resource itself in oil companies and mining companies?
#34. To: We The People (#33)
I've given you nothing but facts and truth.
#35. To: Ibluafartsky (#34)
#36. To: We The People (#35)
Neither your question or the answer will prove that stockholders own resources.
#37. To: Ibluafartsky (#36)
Your claims and statements don't prove they don't.
#38. To: We The People (#37)
I really don't care which you choose.
#39. To: Ibluafartsky (#38)
Individuals actually pooled their money years ago and bought oil leases. They owned no equipment, just the leases, potential resource and drilling rights.
#40. To: We The People (#39)
And none of that has any bearing on whether or not stockholders in a corporation own the resources that the corporation uses to manufacture products.
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