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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In politics and politicians See other politics and politicians Articles Title: Wisconsin Firefighters Join Protest With Sleep-In Source: Huffington Post URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/talya ... nsberg/post_1761_b_826509.html Published: Feb 22, 2011 Author: Talya Minsberg Post Date: 2011-02-22 15:08:46 by lucysmom Keywords: None Views: 47970 Comments: 53 When protests in Madison, Wisconsin broke out with Republican Governor Scott Walker's budget proposal, state firefighters immediately backed the public sector workers, who would be stripped of collective bargaining rights in the bill. Never mind the firefighters, along with cops and state troopers, were exempt from the union busting legislation. They have been protesting since day one with their self described working "brothers and sisters" in the public sector. Monday night, around sixty men and women marched from Madison's Fire Station #1 to the capitol with blankets, pillows and plenty of snacks to spend the night with fellow protesters on the hard marble floor of Wisconsin's capitol. "We just couldn't stand by and let this happen to our brothers and sisters," Mahlon Mitchell, State President of the Professional Fire Fighters of Wisconsin (PFFW), said. "We are firefighters, we respond to emergencies, and we are responding to an emergency of the middle class," Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 44. #7. To: lucysmom (#0) "We are firefighters, we respond to emergencies, and we are responding to an emergency of the middle class," Well stated. Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-02-22   15:48:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Fred Mertz (#7) I was impressed with that statement too. lucysmom  posted on  2011-02-22   15:52:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: lucysmom, Fred Mertz (#9) I was impressed with that statement too. A firefighters obligation is to his community and the safety of all the citizens, not a certain class of people you fookin morons. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-02-22   16:13:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Ibluafartsky, lucysmom, Fred Mertz (#10) A firefighters obligation is to his community and the safety of all the citizens, not a certain class of people you fookin morons. The firefighters are not walking off the job. Those there are donating their free time for the union cause. Union Strong!!! Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-22   16:20:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Godwinson (#11) The firefighters are not walking off the job. The teachers have already. The firefighters are supporting a particular class of people, not the community. Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-02-22   16:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Ibluafartsky (#12) The teachers have already. The firefighters are supporting a particular class of people, not the community. By supporting middle class jobs they are supporting the future of all of us. Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-22   16:46:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Godwinson (#13) By supporting middle class jobs they are supporting the future of all of us. It is stunning! Everybody is feeling the pinch. No one denies the middle class is an endangered species, and yet the middle class turns on those in the middle class willing to stand up and stop their decimation. Gov. Walker and the Koch brothers must be rolling on the floor laughing themselves silly. lucysmom  posted on  2011-02-22   19:49:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: lucysmom (#15) (Edited) No one denies the middle class is an endangered species, and yet the middle class turns on those in the middle class willing to stand up and stop their decimation. I've noted this irony going back to the demographics on Reagan's elections. I know people in their 80's living with their kids because of how the core of America's manufacturing was outsourced in the early and mid-80's, almost en masse, with Reagan's blessing. Displaced workers never had a chance. The nations we compete against, re-train displaced workers. We say "Tough shit". war  posted on  2011-02-22   20:55:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: war (#25) NAFTA Caused the job destruction. I was always against that. I was a Perot voter in 92. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-22   21:06:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: A K A Stone (#30) Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. NAFTA cost us less than 1MM manufacturing jobs. war  posted on  2011-02-23   9:57:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: war, A K A Stone (#42) (Edited) NAFTA cost us less than 1MM manufacturing jobs. I think he means globalization aka free trade aka outsourcing.... I am against some of this ideology myself though it is based on values more than economics. What I mean is that nations that hold similar laws and values with America should not be hindered by any trade barriers if they also reciprocate and open their markets to American goods in the same way. So for example Canada and Germany and France and the UK and most of the EU would be allowed to trade tariff free in the USA. Let's call lit Level 1 Nations that also hold our values but restrict imports like Japan or South Korea would be hit with tariffs of some sort to correct that. Let's call that Level 2 - same values and respect for human rights - just not playing fair with their import policy. Nations that are midway between free and fair and lawful and are struggling to get to a place we are in terms of respect for law and human rights like Mexico, Turkey and Russia would be level 3 Level 4 would be nations like China that fall short of our standards and while adopting our economic system are not adopting our human rights system. Level 5 would be mostly third world nations that have only natural resources as exports and they would be treated on a case by case basis. Level 6 would be nations like Cuba and Iran who we have embargoes on. That's how I would do it. This way it is not protectionist for the sake of protecting a weak industry. It allows fair competition between like minded and like structured nations and let the best one win - and that is a win win for all the Level 1 category. It also rewards nations in the lower Levels by giving them a goal to seek improvements in labor relations (allowing for independent labor unions (band in China and non-existent in places like Russia) which for some reason stupid Republicans hate as evil) and human rights. Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-23   10:25:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Godwinson (#43) The bottom line is this, the world modernized after WWII on our dime. They continued to modernize on their own throughout every decade thereafter. war  posted on  2011-02-23   11:23:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 44. #46. To: war, AKA Stone (#44) The bottom line is this, the world modernized after WWII on our dime. They continued to modernize on their own throughout every decade thereafter. I don't want to say it that way because despite what people say those handouts were not free after WW2 - they paid back with dividends. Japan's system was pretty much set up by the USA - including creating labor unions (Republican Gen. MacArthur) and women's rights. I have a theory that the USA's conservatives sometime in the 50s or so had been driven crazy by the "Red Scare" and they adopted knee jerk reactions to anything that could be looked at as left wing. I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg said that the "Readers Digest" was really a commie front because Reader can be changed to "Red Digest". That was a joke on the paranoid style of the Birchers but that crazy thinking is not far from the truth. You have American conservatives calling unions "commie" while a Catholic conservative trade union in Poland (Solidarity) brought down the Iron Curtain. That is the disconnect I see on the American right and it is killing this country. Clearly, 30 years of Reagonomics has pretty much wiped out a generation of people's wealth. Yet they still cling to this fantasy - where Reagan did these things and everyone got wealthy - and it is just not true. Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 44. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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