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Title: Wisconsin Firefighters Join Protest With Sleep-In
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/talya ... nsberg/post_1761_b_826509.html
Published: Feb 22, 2011
Author: Talya Minsberg
Post Date: 2011-02-22 15:08:46 by lucysmom
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Comments: 53
When protests in Madison, Wisconsin broke out with Republican Governor Scott Walker's budget proposal, state firefighters immediately backed the public sector workers, who would be stripped of collective bargaining rights in the bill. Never mind the firefighters, along with cops and state troopers, were exempt from the union busting legislation. They have been protesting since day one with their self described working "brothers and sisters" in the public sector. Monday night, around sixty men and women marched from Madison's Fire Station #1 to the capitol with blankets, pillows and plenty of snacks to spend the night with fellow protesters on the hard marble floor of Wisconsin's capitol. "We just couldn't stand by and let this happen to our brothers and sisters," Mahlon Mitchell, State President of the Professional Fire Fighters of Wisconsin (PFFW), said. "We are firefighters, we respond to emergencies, and we are responding to an emergency of the middle class,"
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#6. To: Murron (#4)
I am so relieved! The way you vent your spleen at teachers whether or not You knew that was in doubt. Teachers seem most visible cause that's the group you yammer on about. BTW, firefighters, and police are exempt - you'd know that if your read the article.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Well stated.
Mammy ain't so bright sometimes.
I was impressed with that statement too.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
A firefighters obligation is to his community and the safety of all the citizens, not a certain class of people you fookin morons.
The firefighters are not walking off the job. Those there are donating their free time for the union cause. Union Strong!!!
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The teachers have already. The firefighters are supporting a particular class of people, not the community.
By supporting middle class jobs they are supporting the future of all of us.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Socialist BULLSHIT!
It is stunning! Everybody is feeling the pinch. No one denies the middle class is an endangered species, and yet the middle class turns on those in the middle class willing to stand up and stop their decimation. Gov. Walker and the Koch brothers must be rolling on the floor laughing themselves silly.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Or cringing in fear like Mubarak....
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
What middle class are you refering to, the white collar middle class, the bluer collar middle class, or both. There is a differnce between them where their salaries, pentions, bonues..etc., are coming from being discussed here, but I'll wait for your answer.
The Republicans tried to turn one group against the other in Wisconsin - they went after the presumable unpopular teachers but not the cops or firefighters in a divide and conquer gambit. Failed.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
More bullshit from leftards.
I have nothing against teachers. I like teachers much better then pigs.
Jesus Christ man, get the hell away from lucysmom, she's rubbing off on you, from some of your other posts I thought you were too smart to insult a person intelligence just to get your point across. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows this isn't just about 'teachers', they most certainly are not the only PUBLIC workers this concerns, but all of those who receive taxpayer funded wages. jeeeeeze... Who is the the employer of these public, government workers? WE ARE, the Taxpayers who pay their wages! As voters, we have (hopefully) elected officials that represent our voice as the employer. They, the public servants, up until this point, at least, have bargained and agreed to the terms of employee contracts.
The Republicans tried to turn one group against the other in Wisconsin - they went after the presumable unpopular teachers but not the cops or firefighters in a divide and conquer gambit. Failed. You didn't answer her question. I would say that if they go after and govt unions they should go after ALL govt unions. They shouldn't say the pigs or firemen are to important. Teachers are important too. Also you said that it is a constitutional right. If so why not in Virginia where govt workers are not allowed to unionize. And what about your beloved FDR's pronouncement that govt workers unionizing is a bad idea.
What do you have against pork, the other white meat?
Pigs as in cops. I hate cops. They are mostly all corrupt and they lie a lot.
I've noted this irony going back to the demographics on Reagan's elections. I know people in their 80's living with their kids because of how the core of America's manufacturing was outsourced in the early and mid-80's, almost en masse, with Reagan's blessing. Displaced workers never had a chance. The nations we compete against, re-train displaced workers. We say "Tough shit".
Geez, you paint with a helluva wide brush. You've had that much contact with law enforcement? Why?
Pigs? Shame on you.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
So who was buying the Toyotas, Datsuns, VWs, Sonys, Panasonics, Technics, Nikons, Fujis, etc. in the United States? Go pedal your lie-beral bullshit somewhere else, dwarf
I don't know why. I'm a good guy that minds my own business and I don't mess with anyone. Except online. My first experience with the pigs was about 1990. I was at a free concert downtown. I had to take a leak. I waited in line at the porta potties. There was a big line. My girlfriend/now wife was ahead of me and she went into the portapotties. She did. Some big fucker came up and got ahead of me and he was going to cut in front of all of us and go next. I told him to wait his turn. He popped me in the mouth and loosened my tooth. My girlfriend came out and I told her to keep an eye on that guy. I didn't want to fight him as I would just get arrested. So I went to find the police. I went and found one of the white shirted ones. His name was Officer TENORE. (google his name its on the net) Anyways he said he was busy. He was just standing there talking to some girls flirting with them. I walked away to find another officer. I couldn't find another one. I went back to him and said "please officer a guy just punched me in the mouth and loosened my tooth and the witnesses are going to leave. He grabbed me and said I was "drunk" and arrested me. He put me in the pati wagon and took me to jail. I beat the asshole Sgt Tenore in court, representing myself. When they took me to jail they never gave me my phone call. There were going to give it to me but I wanted to read what they gave me before I signed it. The pigs in the jail tore it up and threw it away and sent me back to the cell. I was lucky my girlfriend managed to find me and bail me out. They are corrupt. Fuck you retired officer Tenore. Like I said Tenore of the Dayton Police department was a corrupt mother fucker. They should take his pension away and let him rot.
NAFTA Caused the job destruction. I was always against that. I was a Perot voter in 92.
I thought you said you had to take a leak? Had you been drinking or imbibing? One incident and you blame the entire law enforcement profession?
This bit of news should cheer you up stone, the officer/sheriff, I had most of my runs in with is, as we speak, has finally been caught, charged, and indicted...his future is looking bleaker everyday, and the best part, more may be going down with. The DA, my best target, up until I think a couple months ago, though I'm sorry he took the cowards way out, drove about 6-7 miles from where I live, sat in his car ...and blew his brains out! (if you want a link to verify either, just let me know) &;-)
Well you know, if you're out of work, you're not trying hard enough. Those nations we compete against will eat our lunch because their citizens will be healthy, well educated and ready. We, on the other hand, will still be arguing about who's fault it all is.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
It's Clinton's fault and Bush's too!
I did drink 1 or 2 beers. I was no where even close to being drunk. Not even a tiny bit. They were like 8 oz cups. Anyway one of my friends mothers was there with her husband, may she RIP. She testified on my behalf. They tried to trip her up. She told them she knows what drunk was and I wasn't even close to drunk. I won the case like I said. That isn't my only encounter with pigs. I know there are some good ones, but not many imo.
That isn't my only encounter with pigs. If I'm a cop and have had nothing to drink, you probably smelled like a brewery even if you had your claimed one or two. You stated you had to take a leak, but you went off looking for a cop. That doesn't surprise me for some reason.
I didn't smell like anything. Don't assume things. The fucker loosened my tooth and I did the right thing looking for a cop. I also won the case imo because they never tested me for alcohol. The judge didn't like that. I'm telling the truth. Officer Tenore of Dayton Ohio was one corrupt mother fucker. They should take his pension. He would rather flirt with girls. He never moved from that spot. Fucking asshole. He also lied to the judge saying I was flaying my arms and pulling on him. He was a lying sack of shit.
If you were drinking beer you smelled like beer. The cop may well have been a POS, but why did you have to go to court? Did you get names and numbers of the eyewitnesses?
I had to go to court because he arrested me illegally. They were serving beer there, so it is hardly illegal.
For what? How old were you? Did you get names and numbers of the eyewitnesses?
" Premise Six: Civilization is not redeemable. This culture will not undergo any sort of voluntary transformation to a sane and sustainable way of living. If we do not put a halt to it, civilization will continue to immiserate the vast majority of humans and to degrade the planet until it (civilization, and probably the planet) collapses. The effects of this degradation will continue to harm humans and nonhumans for a very long time. http://www.endgamethebook.org/Excerpts/1-Premises.htm Here's how it works: 1) Meet in a shady smoke filled back room. 2) Take out of the US Treasury/budget what the Top 50 000. The Military. Health Care Insurance. Banksters. need. 3) The rest of the budget is then presented to the nation, from which the cuts necessary to 'balance' the budget will be taken. 4) This will be called Austerity. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. As necessary. 8D
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. NAFTA cost us less than 1MM manufacturing jobs.
I think he means globalization aka free trade aka outsourcing.... I am against some of this ideology myself though it is based on values more than economics. What I mean is that nations that hold similar laws and values with America should not be hindered by any trade barriers if they also reciprocate and open their markets to American goods in the same way. So for example Canada and Germany and France and the UK and most of the EU would be allowed to trade tariff free in the USA. Let's call lit Level 1 Nations that also hold our values but restrict imports like Japan or South Korea would be hit with tariffs of some sort to correct that. Let's call that Level 2 - same values and respect for human rights - just not playing fair with their import policy. Nations that are midway between free and fair and lawful and are struggling to get to a place we are in terms of respect for law and human rights like Mexico, Turkey and Russia would be level 3 Level 4 would be nations like China that fall short of our standards and while adopting our economic system are not adopting our human rights system. Level 5 would be mostly third world nations that have only natural resources as exports and they would be treated on a case by case basis. Level 6 would be nations like Cuba and Iran who we have embargoes on. That's how I would do it. This way it is not protectionist for the sake of protecting a weak industry. It allows fair competition between like minded and like structured nations and let the best one win - and that is a win win for all the Level 1 category. It also rewards nations in the lower Levels by giving them a goal to seek improvements in labor relations (allowing for independent labor unions (band in China and non-existent in places like Russia) which for some reason stupid Republicans hate as evil) and human rights.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The bottom line is this, the world modernized after WWII on our dime. They continued to modernize on their own throughout every decade thereafter.
If we do not put a halt to it, civilization will continue to immiserate the vast majority of humans and to degrade the planet until it (civilization, and probably the planet) collapses. So how do you plan to kill off civilization, Dr. McDoom? Which WMD do you prefer... 4 more years, or Mitts Romulin?
I don't want to say it that way because despite what people say those handouts were not free after WW2 - they paid back with dividends. Japan's system was pretty much set up by the USA - including creating labor unions (Republican Gen. MacArthur) and women's rights. I have a theory that the USA's conservatives sometime in the 50s or so had been driven crazy by the "Red Scare" and they adopted knee jerk reactions to anything that could be looked at as left wing. I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg said that the "Readers Digest" was really a commie front because Reader can be changed to "Red Digest". That was a joke on the paranoid style of the Birchers but that crazy thinking is not far from the truth. You have American conservatives calling unions "commie" while a Catholic conservative trade union in Poland (Solidarity) brought down the Iron Curtain. That is the disconnect I see on the American right and it is killing this country. Clearly, 30 years of Reagonomics has pretty much wiped out a generation of people's wealth. Yet they still cling to this fantasy - where Reagan did these things and everyone got wealthy - and it is just not true.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI'll bet you put a lot of thought into that. What made you think people are bent on creating some illusion about these teachers being the only protesters? Did you only just now get the memo of who public workers are, this involves all of them, firefighters, police..etc..the teachers seem to be the focus right now because they are the most visable...for now.
#7. To: lucysmom (#0)
"We are firefighters, we respond to emergencies, and we are responding to an emergency of the middle class,"
#8. To: lucysmom (#6)
BTW, firefighters, and police are exempt - you'd know that if your read the article.
#9. To: Fred Mertz (#7)
#10. To: lucysmom, Fred Mertz (#9)
I was impressed with that statement too.
#11. To: Ibluafartsky, lucysmom, Fred Mertz (#10)
A firefighters obligation is to his community and the safety of all the citizens, not a certain class of people you fookin morons.
#12. To: Godwinson (#11)
The firefighters are not walking off the job.
#13. To: Ibluafartsky (#12)
The teachers have already. The firefighters are supporting a particular class of people, not the community.
#14. To: Godwinson (#13)
By supporting middle class jobs they are supporting the future of all of us.
#15. To: Godwinson (#13)
By supporting middle class jobs they are supporting the future of all of us.
#16. To: lucysmom (#15)
Gov. Walker and the Koch brothers must be rolling on the floor laughing themselves silly.
#17. To: Godwinson (#13)
(Edited)
By supporting middle class jobs they are supporting the future of all of us.
#18. To: Murron (#17)
(Edited)
What middle class are you refering to, the white collar middle class, the bluer collar middle class, or both. There is a differnce between them where their salaries, pentions, bonues..etc., are coming from being discussed here, but I'll wait for your answer.
#19. To: Godwinson (#18)
The Republicans tried to turn one group against the other in Wisconsin
#20. To: Godwinson (#18)
they went after the presumable unpopular teachers
#21. To: Godwinson (#18)
they went after the presumable unpopular teachers but not the cops or firefighters in a divide and conquer gambit. Failed.
#22. To: Godwinson (#18)
What middle class are you refering to, the white collar middle class, the bluer collar middle class, or both. There is a differnce between them where their salaries, pentions, bonues..etc., are coming from being discussed here, but I'll wait for your answer.
#23. To: A K A Stone (#20)
I like teachers much better then pigs.
#24. To: Ibluafartsky (#23)
#25. To: lucysmom (#15)
(Edited)
No one denies the middle class is an endangered species, and yet the middle class turns on those in the middle class willing to stand up and stop their decimation.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)
I hate cops. They are mostly all corrupt and they lie a lot.
#27. To: A K A Stone (#22)
#28. To: war, lucysmom (#25)
America's manufacturing was outsourced in the early and mid-80's,
#29. To: Ibluafartsky (#26)
Geez, you paint with a helluva wide brush. You've had that much contact with law enforcement? Why?
#30. To: war (#25)
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
I went and found one of the white shirted ones.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#24)
#33. To: war (#25)
Displaced workers never had a chance. The nations we compete against, re-train displaced workers. We say "Tough shit".
#34. To: lucysmom (#33)
#35. To: Ibluafartsky (#31)
#36. To: A K A Stone (#35)
I did drink 1 or 2 beers.
#37. To: Ibluafartsky (#36)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
I didn't smell like anything.
#39. To: Ibluafartsky (#38)
but why did you have to go to court? Did you get names and numbers of the eyewitnesses?
#40. To: A K A Stone (#39)
I had to go to court because he arrested me illegally.
#41. To: lucysmom (#1)
Certain people are bent on creating the illusion that the Wisconsin protesters are all teachers - time to dispel that myth.
#42. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#43. To: war, A K A Stone (#42)
(Edited)
NAFTA cost us less than 1MM manufacturing jobs.
#44. To: Godwinson (#43)
#45. To: mcgowanjm (#41)
(Edited)
Premise Six: Civilization is not redeemable
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#46. To: war, AKA Stone (#44)
The bottom line is this, the world modernized after WWII on our dime. They continued to modernize on their own throughout every decade thereafter.
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