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Title: Getting to a Wisconsin Senate Quorum
Source: Chicagoboyz
URL Source: http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/20427.html
Published: Feb 20, 2011
Author: Lexington Green
Post Date: 2011-02-20 11:39:19 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 14639
Comments: 20

Wisconsin Senate rules require a 3/5 quorum in the Senate. There are currently 19 Republican senators, and 14 Democrat senators.

The GOP needs one more to get to 20.

The Democrat senators have apparently said they will stay away for weeks if necessary.

If the GOP majority could replace one Democrat with a Republican, that would give them 20. The remaining Democrat state senators could stay in Illinois watching ESPN and chatting up the waitresses as long as they want. The GOP could proceed without them.

If the length of play really is weeks then Article XIII, Sec. 12 of the Wisconsin Constitution, which provides for recall elections, could be used.

The qualified electors of the state of any congressional, judicial or legislative district or of a county may petition for the recall of any incumbent elective officer after the first year of the term for which the incumbent was elected … .

So, any recall could only be directed at Senators elected in 2008, not 2010.

Looking at the Democrats elected to the Wisconsin Senate in 2008 it appears that Democrat Sen. Jim Holperin won a squeaker, with 51% over his Republican opponent, in an open race. So, Sen. Holperin is the most vulnerable Democrat Wisconsin state senator.

The Wisconsin Constitution requires:

The recall petition shall be signed by electors equalling at least twenty-five percent of the vote cast for the office of governor at the last preceding election, in the state, county or district which the incumbent represents

It is not easy to determine how many people this is, but I estimate it to be about 100,000 people total, so 25,000 or so to be 25%. That is probably not grossly wrong. If someone has the exact number please put it in the comments. If the signatures for the petition can be gathered:

The filing officer with whom the recall petition is filed shall call a recall election for the Tuesday of the 6th week after the date of filing the petition or, if that Tuesday is a legal holiday, on the first day after that Tuesday which is not a legal holiday.

So, the total time to get a recall election scheduled is the time to gather the signatures in Wisconsin Senate District 12 plus six weeks. Call it two months or so total if the GOP made a serious effort, which is late April.

Could the GOP get a campaign going in Holperin’s district to recall him, have the election, and get a shenanigan-proof 20 seat guaranteed quorum before Memorial Day?

Am I missing anything here?

(I was at the rally today. Holperin’s name was mentioned as a possible recall target. I wrote this post before I heard that.)

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

The Collapse Party.

That the GOP lavishes the banksters/corporations with Tax free Bailouts is beyond question.

And making the Bottom 98% pay is the NewFeudal Template.

Good Luck with that. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-02-20   11:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1) (Edited)

The United States maintains over a thousand overseas military bases, most of which serve no purpose other than maintaining a megalomaniac fiction of American military superiority. They are often resupplied by private contractors, whose procurement operations rely on the domestic civilian economy. As long as the economy is intact, they can bring three flavors of ice cream to an air-conditioned tent in the middle of a desert, but once the economy collapses, they will collapse with it, and the military may turn out to lack even the resources to truck in water. Overseas military bases should be dismantled and the troops repatriated.

cluborlov.blogspot.com/20...lapse-party-platform.html

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-02-20   11:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: mcgowanjm (#2)

So in your view the Wisconsin Governor should cut military bases instead?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-20   11:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#2)

I would like to see the huge prison population whittled away in a controlled manner, ahead of time, instead of in a chaotic general amnesty. Such an amnesty will have to happen as a matter of course, once the resources that sustain the prison system stop flowing. The scenario to avoid is one in which, in the midst of general chaos, the entire population of prisoners is released en masse and, with no other resources available to them, they start plying their various criminal trades. Paroling the non-violent, shortening sentences, decriminalizing drugs, and providing room and board to former inmates, are all reasonable steps to take to prevent a crime wave of staggering proportions once the criminal justice system finally shuts down.

cluborlov.blogspot.com/20...lapse-party-platform.html

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-02-20   11:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#4)

Ron Paul joins the Collapse Party:

" Lately, Ron has been heard saying things like this:

[The US] government is in the process of failing, and they can't deliver on the goods, just as the Soviets couldn't deliver the goods and maintain their own power... We will have those same problems domestically. We face serious economic problems as this dollar crisis evolves. ... We don't need to just change political parties. We need to change our philosophy about what this country is all about.

So, Ron, what is the Soviet Union all about these days, other than staying dead?"

8D

cluborlov.blogspot.com/

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-02-20   11:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#3)

So in your view the Wisconsin Governor should cut military bases instead?

First Tax Corporations at 1945 rates.

Then refuse to deploy the Wisconsin Nat Guard outside Wisconsin.

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And THEN, after constant and repeated threats from the USSA MSM start charging for supplying ALL US military In State.

8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-02-20   11:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6) (Edited)

But after Taxing the Corporations I think the rest would be un necessary. 8D

Oh, and this:

"I would like to see the huge prison population whittled away in a controlled manner, ahead of time, instead of in a chaotic general amnesty."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-02-20   11:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All (#7)

In 2001, he (Greenspan;} used every policy measure in the Fed’s arsenal to prevent Kondratiev's winter. He quickly slashed interest rates to 1%, but more than that, he used his position as key bank regulator and adviser to Congress to allow and encourage lending standards to deteriorate to the point where it was common for homeless men to buy multiple houses with no money down. http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=465

Now THAT’S what I call stimulus. That’s not spiking the punchbowl, that’s piping the room with crystal meth.

And it worked! The revelers did not go home! They partied for another seven years, proving the Federal Reserve and Federal Government had the power to hold back winter; and like King Kanute, to command the tide to come ashore no more!

Greenspan was vindicated; showing the Central powers, the insider billionaires their power over reality was truly unlimited! This was popularized in a quote at the same time, commonly attributed to Karl Rove:

“guys like me [are] "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community --NY Times

They had done it! They were smarter, stronger, better than all the kings and emperors who had ever gone before. By controlling perception, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays through psychological control and propaganda, they now controlled reality itself!

…Until 2005, that is."

http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html

And since 2001. 2001. What happened in 2001?

Why the beginning o f a depression, except that the War of Terror began then.

And now it's over. And not ONE. Not ONE. Bankster has gone to jail.

Mozillo of Countrywide? Hell. He's keeping his fortune even. But someone has to pay and it AIN't gonnna be the Top 50 000. Oh No. They ain't giving up a cent.

The plan: The Bottom 98% will be truned into Slaves.

The Austerity Plan rolled out in Wisconsin. On Purpose. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-02-20   11:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mcgowanjm (#8)

The plan: The Bottom 98% will be truned into Slaves.

The Austerity Plan rolled out in Wisconsin. On Purpose. 8D

Yep.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-02-20   12:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#0)

The Democrat senators have apparently said they will stay away for weeks if necessary.

The greedy, repugnant "nanny needer" socialist types lose all commonsense, all sense of responsibility, all respect for other people and the law at the mere thought of having to relinquish, if only for a time, their lip-lock on that teat on the government sow. They seem to be, for the most part, emotional misfits who are so frightened of having to take care of themselves, they delude themselves into ignoring the fact that throughout history that sow has walked away to save itself and left those teat seekers to fend for themselves.

eskimo  posted on  2011-02-20   12:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: eskimo (#10)

You naturally prefer the Quislings.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-02-20   13:08:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#0)

If the length of play really is weeks then Article XIII, Sec. 12 of the Wisconsin Constitution, which provides for recall elections, could be used.

I believe the governor could be subject to a recall as well, with the majority of Wisconsin citizens opposing the Governor's efforts to end collective bargaining, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Keep in mind, the unions have already said they'll accept the concessions and pay more toward health care and pensions, this is all about Walker's efforts to end collective bargaining.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-02-20   13:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#11)

You naturally prefer the Quislings.

LOL!! I suppose meaningless drivel is all you have.

eskimo  posted on  2011-02-20   14:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#12)

this is all about Walker's efforts to end collective bargaining.

That isn't true. Teachers could still be represented. They wouldn't be forced to if they didn't want to though. Do you think people should be forced to join a union if they don't want to? That is bullshit if you think that. I also read somewhere that would have to approve things instead of politicians with no skin in the game. What is wrong with letting the people vote on it? It is their money.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-20   15:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

What is wrong with letting the people vote on it? It is their money.

While were at it, let's vote on politician's salaries too.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-02-20   15:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Skip Intro (#15)

While were at it, let's vote on politician's salaries too.

Sounds good to me. What a great idea.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-20   15:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#14)

That isn't true. Teachers could still be represented. They wouldn't be forced to if they didn't want to though. Do you think people should be forced to join a union if they don't want to? That is bullshit if you think that. I also read somewhere that would have to approve things instead of politicians with no skin in the game. What is wrong with letting the people vote on it? It is their money.

the teachers union has agreed to accept Walker's concessions, so what's the problem?

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-02-20   15:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: go65 (#17)

the teachers union has agreed to accept Walker's concessions, so what's the problem?

The democrats hiding.

I wonder if this would have worked at the Federal Level for Obamas "health care" everyone must pay for abortion "law".

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-20   15:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

The democrats hiding.

The Democrats will hide until Walker gives up trying to end collective bargaining.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-02-20   21:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Sounds good to me. What a great idea.

Should be a yearly thing. It should be part of state tax returns.

Your state doesn't collect an income tax? Property tax forms then.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-02-20   21:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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