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Title: In Wisconsin, it's the unions vs. the tax paying people
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URL Source: http://washingtonexaminer.com/polit ... sconsin-its-unions-vs-people-0
Published: Feb 19, 2011
Author: Timothy P. Carney
Post Date: 2011-02-19 11:21:07 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 7762
Comments: 17

The ferment in Wisconsin is no workers' uprising against the rich and powerful. It is instead political muscle-flexing by a well-funded special interest group, which is limbering up for President Obama's re-election bid. Obama's campaign, operating as Organizing for America, is bussing protesters to the state capitol and manning phone banks to apply pressure to state legislatures. Obama himself has called Gov. Scott Walker's bill curbing government-sector collective bargaining "an attack on unions."

While liberal writers wax romantic about a workers' uprising (former Labor Secretary Robert Reich wrote on Twitter "Wisconsin is spreading to Ohio -- America's microversion of Tunisia and Egypt. People are taking to the streets to get their rights"), what we're really seeing is the labor movement acting as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party.

Liberals and the White House try to blur the issue by lumping together government unions and labor unions in general. Obama wrongly calls Walker's bill "an attack on unions." It is, at its heart, a measure changing the way the state government procures labor -- Walker would end single-source contracts with a politically connected special interests.

Government unions in Wisconsin perfectly match the definition of "special interests," a term Obama often invokes. Four of the top six Wisconsin contributors to the 2010 elections were labor unions, with the state's teachers union giving $119,342 and the Wisconsin chapter of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees spending $83,888. The teachers union gave 96 percent of its money to Democrats, while Wisconsin AFSCME gave Democrats every penny.

Government unions spent $573,868 on Wisconsin's 2010 elections -- almost all of it going to Democrats -- while government employees spent another half million, with most going to Democrats.

Another characteristic of "special interests" is that they benefit at the expense of the public interest. Start with teachers unions that often work against students. Even setting aside the Wisconsin teachers abandoning their students last week in order to protest for higher pay and benefits, the teachers union has fought on the state level to interfere with Milwaukee's trail-blazing school choice program, which is so popular that Democrats in 2009 voted to cap the number of enrollees.

And of course, there's the budget question. Wisconsin has raised taxes in recent years, and is still facing a multibillion-dollar deficit. Other state programs are being trimmed, and Walker's effort would be about spreading the pain -- specifically shifting some of the government workers' retirement contributions from taxpayers to the workers. If the government unions win, they guarantee more pain for everyone else, especially taxpayers.

In the romantic liberal vision of this union uprising, determined workers are standing up to the powerful. But there's no fat-cat owner wanting to pocket more profits here. The unions' target in Wisconsin is the taxpayer.

At bottom, this is the unions versus the people.

For much of the Left, though, this about protecting the power of labor. Again, this ignores the fundamental difference between public-sector unions and private-sector unions. Even Franklin Roosevelt said, "The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service."

As the Wall Street Journal pointed out, campaign contributions by government-sector unions, collected through mandatory dues, help elect the public officials who are then supposed to negotiate with them: "The unions sit, in effect, on both sides of the bargaining table."

With this kind of leverage, it's no wonder that unions are thriving in the public sector -- only 6.9 percent of private-sector workers are unionized while 36.2 of government workers are. Moreover, as conservatives have long argued, when unions overreach in the private sector, they drive their employers out of business, and so unions only flourish under those employers -- governments -- that can't go out of business.

While governments won't go out of business, they are going broke. The electorate apparently now has an appetite for austerity, as evidenced by the Tea Party's success, Chris Christie's election in New Jersey, and Walker's election in Wisconsin.

Obama has shown how the Democrats will play this: as an opportunity to rally the base and try to pump more money out of the unions that spent tens of millions of dollars to elect him. It could backfire if taxpayers see the likes of Walker as a rare grown-up under attack by opportunistic and utterly politicized unions populated by overpaid government workers.

It's still unclear how Republicans will play this, though. Walker seems to be following the Christie model of standing up to the unions. Knowing Ohio Gov. John Kasich's temperament, he'll do the same. But will any GOP governors feel tempted to go the Arnold Schwarzenegger route of playing ball with the government unions?

With state budgets in crisis and the Democratic machinery already in all-out campaign mode, war has already been declared -- and if the unions win, the people lose.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

The ferment in Wisconsin is no workers' uprising against the rich and powerful.

O YES IT IS.

And that's exactly what it is.

You can't Collectively bargain?

So everyone's to INDIVIDUALLY ask their MASTER for a crumb and to be left alive for a while longer?

That's OBAMA's Health 'care' plan.

NAKEd against the Corporate Behemoths who of course can do DAVOS, the CoC, and ALL of those other clubs where they constantyl 24/7/365 figure out how to screw the Bottom 98%.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-02-19   11:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

You have ZERO idea of how much blood and death and violence the STATE has brought to bear to eliminate Collective Bargaining.

Or if you don't, then it's worse. ;}

And WHY do the people who actually PRODUCE America not OWN America?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-02-19   11:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Obama himself has called Gov. Scott Walker's bill curbing government-sector collective bargaining "an attack on unions."

It darn well is "an attack on unions", is Obama not supposed to notice?

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-02-19   11:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Government unions spent $573,868 on Wisconsin's 2010 elections -- almost all of it going to Democrats -- while government employees spent another half million, with most going to Democrats.

LOL!! The socialist slugs are so stupid they can not comprehend that the nanny tyrant they were duped into paying for would, some day, not be able to steal enough of the wealth of others to keep the scam going. Now the nanny tyrant is going to fatten itself by devouring the dupes.

eskimo  posted on  2011-02-19   13:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#1)

You are hardly an objective source are you McToejam?

I mean you are a member of a public employee union aren't you McToejam?

"WHAT DID FDR SAY about public sector UNIONS?

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.

It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.

The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations.

The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress.

Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable.

It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that "under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government.""

PUBLIC employees have no business being "unionized" McToejam, and we're going to change THAT.

Be AFRAID you PIG, the trough is shutting down.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-02-19   13:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

it's the unions vs. the tax paying people

Union people don't pay taxes? What bullshit.

You're one hell of a shill, padlock.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-02-19   15:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: eskimo (#4)

LOL!! The socialist slugs are so stupid they can not comprehend that the nanny tyrant they were duped into paying for would, some day, not be able to steal enough of the wealth of others to keep the scam going. Now the nanny tyrant is going to fatten itself by devouring the dupes.

Hopefully if you truly believe your statement you are refunding back to the Feds the largesse your state, if it is Alaska, receives. My state is a net tax loser so you can send the wealth you stole to me.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-02-19   15:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rek (#7)

My state is a net tax loser so you can send the wealth you stole to me.

Don't hold your breath waiting. Alaska stole your money fair and square and eskimo is going to keep it.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-02-19   15:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Rek (#7)

Hopefully if you truly believe your statement you are refunding back to the Feds the largesse your state, if it is Alaska, receives.

LOL!! The FEDs have stolen more from Alaska than they could ever hope to repay. Gold and other minerals, oil, etc. that was stolen have probably propped up your state for decades. Don't be a stupid ungrateful bastard.

eskimo  posted on  2011-02-19   16:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: eskimo (#9)

LOL!! The FEDs have stolen more from Alaska than they could ever hope to repay. Gold and other minerals, oil, etc. that was stolen have probably propped up your state for decades. Don't be a stupid ungrateful bastard.

My state can run deficits and still prop up every other state in the union.

Gold was stolen from your state? LOL. My state's gold paid for the Union side of the Civil War.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-02-19   16:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rek (#10)

My state can run deficits and still prop up every other state in the union.

LOL!! That is certainly a ridiculously ignorant statement to make but if you truly are that delusional, then why, in hell, are you bitching and lying about my state?

eskimo  posted on  2011-02-19   16:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: eskimo (#11)

LOL!! That is certainly a ridiculously ignorant statement to make but if you truly are that delusional, then why, in hell, are you bitching and lying about my state?

In the good old USA, the one who disputes gets to show their evidence.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-02-19   16:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Rek (#12)

In the good old USA, the one who disputes gets to show their evidence.

LOL!! Well get to it then. If you think the FEDs have spent more in my state than have taken out of it, you are truly delusional but go right ahead and put a voice to that delusion.

eskimo  posted on  2011-02-19   16:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: eskimo (#13)

you are truly delusional

LOL!

You HAVE to be at least delusional to be a libTURD bro.

These wannabe cheechako cunts couldn't even find Alaska on a map.

Hell 80% of them can't find the Pacific Ocean on the map.

If the herd doesn't say it, or "think" it, it doesn't exist to these libTURD cunts.

If we could only get our libTURDS to leave the Greatland.

THAT would be a worthwhile thing to do.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-02-19   17:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Mad Dog (#14)

If the herd doesn't say it, or "think" it, it doesn't exist to these libTURD cunts.

LOL!! It seems they believe and repeat whatever they're told by the nanny tyrant they created. They are just too stupid to realize they have been duped and will eaten by that tyrant. They just do not realize they are as domesticated as cattle. I don't know how anyone can be that stupidly submissive.

eskimo  posted on  2011-02-19   17:35:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Rek (#10)

Gold was stolen from your state? LOL. My state's gold paid for the Union side of the Civil War.

You must be from my state.

They hate us you know, because our economy is bigger than theirs and our weather is better.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-02-19   18:45:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: eskimo (#15)

LOL!

EXACTOMUNDO bro.

These libTURD cunts are positively BOVINE when it comes to any actual individual or independent thought or action.

These gibbering fools are just fine in their matrix pods.

Can you even imagine regurgitating by rote what the demonRATs talking points de jour are to "advance the revolution"? KNOWING that it's ALL a LIE and DELUSION but being willing to LIE to yourself so as to be able to LIE to others?

Afterall, "you have to break some eggs to make an omelette".

Right?

I think that these libTURDS are either mouth breathing stupid, dishonest, insane, hypocrites, and/or evil.

Nothing can go wrong.

NOTHING can go wrong.

NOTHING CAN GO WRONG!

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-02-19   19:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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