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Title: MSNBC: Wisconsin Teachers Out to Lunch
Source: Dissenting Opinions
URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... sin-teachers-out-to-lunch.html
Published: Feb 18, 2011
Author: Eric Blankenburg
Post Date: 2011-02-18 17:24:16 by jwpegler
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Views: 4312
Comments: 10

This morning on the MSNBC show Jansing & Company, they showed an interesting graph on the real financial situation with the teachers in Wisconsin.

According to MSNBC:

- The average single private sector employee pays 18% of the cost of his/her healthcare insurance.

- The average married private sector employee pays 29% of the cost of healthcare insurance for themselves and their family.

- In Wisconsin, teachers only pay 6% of the cost of their healthcare insurance.

Wisconsin has a budget deficit of $3.5 billion. They are constitutionally mandated to balance their budget. To help balance the budget, Governor Walker has proposed to increase the amount teachers contribute to their health insurance premiums from 6% to 12% of the cost. This is still far lower than people in the private sector pay. The teachers's response? Close the schools, stop educating our kids, and run around carrying signs that equate Governor Walker to Hitler.

The underlying story is that America has among the most under-performing public school systems in the developed world. Last year, American students ranked 25th out of 34 developed countries in Math and Science. American was right in the middle on language skills. It's not a great performance for the students of the greatest country on earth.

Money isn't the problem. America spends more money on education per student than every other country except Switzerland.

Wisconsin teachers earn on average $89,000 a year in salary and benefits. They work less than 9 months of the year. That's $10,000 a month, equivalent to $120,000 a year if they worked full time like the rest of us. That's a fair chunk of change. Quite frankly, great teachers should probably make more than this. That's how to attract great teachers. We need to attract more great teachers. However, we also need to terminate bad teachers. Bad teachers are rarely terminated. Why?

The problem is that the NEA owns the Democrat Party. The NEA uses forced union dues to support Democrat politicians who reciprocate by blocking merit pay for great teachers, Charter Schools (which was the idea of courageous Democrat politicians), and school choice. Of course, any notion that a Principal could terminate a lousy teacher who is destroying your child's future is just not even open for discussion by the NEA and their Democrat protectors.

The McKinsey Global Institute just released a study which showed that America's public sector and especially America's public schools are the among the most unproductive in the developed world. They are also the most resistant to change. McKinsey also faults the U.S. government for creating the most burdensome regulatory climate in the world; not doing it's job in providing a healthy infrastructure that meets our needs; and ignoring our growing energy challenges.

What did The Economist say about McKinsey's conclusions? "Alas, a country which is so good at business is pretty bad at government".

That about sums it up.

This is our challenge.

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#3. To: jwpegler, no gnu taxes, go65 (#0)

Wisconsin teachers earn on average $89,000 a year in salary and benefits. They work less than 9 months of the year. That's $10,000 a month, equivalent to $120,000 a year if they worked full time like the rest of us. That's a fair chunk of change.

How many people know what the total value of their annual compensation is?

What are Wisconsin teachers actually getting?

3. Median [not average] teacher salary statewide is $48,000.

4. Median years of experience teaching is 15.

5. Teaching requires an advanced degree and teaching certificate.

6. Compare salary of $48,000 to other professionals working 15 years at their profession with advanced degrees and certification.

www.dailykos.com/story/20...ly-Saturday-in-Wisconsin-

lucysmom  posted on  2011-02-18   20:55:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lucysmom, go65, capitalist eric (#3) (Edited)

How many people know what the total value of their annual compensation is?

Median [not average] teacher salary statewide is $48,000.

Let's talk reality here.

Total teacher compensation in Wisconsin is $90,000 a year. It's over $100,000 in the city of Milwaukee. In Milwaukee, salaries average $56,500 and benefits are $43,505. It's a strange salary to benefit ratio, but unions have been pushing benefits over salaries for decades. For example, the benefits of retired UAW employees cost General Motors $1,500 per car, which is a cost that Japanese plants in the U.S. don't have to pay. This is what unions have decided to do.

Teachers work less than 37 weeks a year. They get 10 weeks off in the summer, 1 week at Christmas, 1 week for mid-winter break, 1 week for spring break, and 11 holidays. The leaves 1472 hours for work. $100,005 / 1472 hours is $68 an hour.

I run a little consulting firm. When I need people, I bring them in as 1099 subcontractors at a straight hourly rate. No benefits whatsoever. Over the last two years, the average hourly rate I've paid is $65. That's less than the Milwaukee teachers make.

But there are three differences.

First, I live on the west coast, where the cost of living is much higher that it is in Wisconsin. Computer programmer rates are much lower in the Midwest than they are in Seattle.

Second, I hire people who have quantitative college degrees, like Computer Science where they go through 4 semesters of calculus, linear algebra, and statistics. I don't hire people who have worthless teaching certificates or degrees in phys ed.

Third, if the people I employ don't do a great job, my customers won't pay me. They certainly won't bring me back to do more work. On the other hand, teachers get tenure, which makes it impossible to terminate them no matter how screwed up they become.

I have no sympathy for these people. They should all be fired for shutting down the schools and throwing our kids into the street.,

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-19   12:39:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: jwpegler (#7)

Let's talk reality here.

Total teacher compensation in Wisconsin is $90,000 a year. It's over $100,000 in the city of Milwaukee. In Milwaukee, salaries average $56,500 and benefits are $43,505. It's a strange salary to benefit ratio, but unions have been pushing benefits over salaries for decades. For example, the benefits of retired UAW employees cost General Motors $1,500 per car, which is a cost that Japanese plants in the U.S. don't have to pay. This is what unions have decided to do.

Teachers work less than 37 weeks a year. They get 10 weeks off in the summer, 1 week at Christmas, 1 week for mid-winter break, 1 week for spring break, and 11 holidays. The leaves 1472 hours for work. $100,005 / 1472 hours is $68 an hour.

Starting pay for teachers in Wisconsin is $$25,222 a year; after 15 years in the classroom they're earning $48,000. Contrast with state legislators (the guys who think teachers are compensated too much) they work part time (average 111 days a year), have no educational requirements, earn approx $60,000 a year pay + per diem beginning the first year, AND get health insurance and retirement benefits. The governor's salary is $137,092 annually (average pay for US governors is $128,735, the median is $129,962 - so it looks like Walker is doing pretty good for himself) + health insurance, retirement benefits, etc.

State legislators don't need no stinkin' union to negotiate their pay and benefits, they get to vote raises for themselves.

Over the last two years, the average hourly rate I've paid is $65. That's less than the Milwaukee teachers make.

Try telling him that you'll pay him $35 now and the other $30 in 25 years - that is what retirement benefits are, deferred payment.

Second, I hire people who have quantitative college degrees, like Computer Science where they go through 4 semesters of calculus, linear algebra, and statistics. I don't hire people who have worthless teaching certificates or degrees in phys ed.

Cool, but can they deal appropriately with a classroom full of seven year olds or surly adolescents?

More than 40% of Wisconsin teachers have masters degrees or better. (that represents a significant financial investment)

On the other hand, teachers get tenure, which makes it impossible to terminate them no matter how screwed up they become.

Teachers get tenure after three years. Once they have tenure they may not be fired without "just cause", but they may indeed be fired - so you are wrong one more time.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-02-19   18:22:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#9. To: lucysmom (#8) (Edited)

Starting pay...

No, no, no, no, no...

You are talking about cash compensation. I am talking about TOTAL compensation.

For decades, unions have pushed lavish benefits over higher salaries. That was their decision.

Teachers in Milwaukee make over $100,000 a year for working less than 37 weeks a year. That works out to $68 an hour, which is a very large amount of money. In fact, it's the equivalent of about $130,000 for someone who actually worked full time.

What do we get for that? 32% of kids in Milwaukee never finish high school. Many that do finish are functional illiterates, who can barely read, write, and perform simple arithmetic.

The entire government monopoly school system has to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch.

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