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Title: Democrats flee Madison, Wisconsin (with police chasing them)
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URL Source: http://hillbuzz.org/2011/02/17/demo ... urtail-public-employee-unions/
Published: Feb 18, 2011
Author: hillbuzz
Post Date: 2011-02-18 15:27:17 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 15357
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Never in my life would I imagine Wisconsin would become the most fascinating state for politics, but that’s what it is right now as the newly elected Republican governor and legislature stand up to the public employee unions that are crippling that state financially. This is not the Cocktail Party establishment playing go-along-to-get-along games…this is what Republicans need to do in every state, coast to coast. Grow that spine. Stand up. Be heard. Sock it to the unions and the rest of the Democrat machine. Do not be afraid of bad media coverage or being called “big meanies” for doing what voters WANT you to do to get the country back on sound financial footing. Democrats have actually fled the city of Madison, Wisconsin in contempt of a court order requiring them to do their elected duty and sit for a vote to curtail the power of Democrat-supporting public employee unions. Police have actually been dispatched to hunt Democrats down so that a vote can be taken, since the legislature is required to have at least one Democrat present for a vote to be cast. Democrats do not want to curtail union power, since union dues keep Democrats in power. This simple fact has never been more clear…as is the reality that curtailing union power is the only way we will save this country from ruin. Keep monitoring what’s happening in Wisconsin. If that state manages to liberate itself from union control, just imagine what strides can be taken in Arizona, South Carolina, and New Jersey, where other assertive and take-no-prisoners Republicans are in office. Just think: the Cocktail Party establishment could have saved this country from the current predicament it’s in if only it had stood up to the unions a decade or two ago…but all of those GOP consultants advised them it was much better to “go along to get along”. But look where that’s gotten us. Do you know of any other good examples of newly elected Republicans showing some toughness towards former sacred cows and the various apparatuses Democrats depend on to keep their political contributions flowing (at ultimate net financial detriment to state budgets)? Could a revolution of sorts be now underway with Republicans who have actually broken away from their Cocktail Party establishment ways?
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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
I guess there wasn't room for the rest of the title: "so vote can’t be taken to curtail public employee unions"
My money is on the outlaws!! FIGHT THE TYRANNICAL REPUBLICAN GOVT!!!!!!
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Maybe it didn't occur to you that they are doing what they campaigned on doing and were elected to do.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Like when the Democrats passed health care??? LOL!!!
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
They weren't elected because of that, and the Public has consistently opposed it.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
The Governor created much of the shortfall with tax giveaways, and goes beyond a reasonable stance to ask for givebacks in hard economic times in order to try to go for a change of the very structure of power of collective bargaining. He is only getting the comeuppance he and other Republicans deserve, and I hope the reap what they sow.
So only right wingers can protest? This is what effect protests are all about, son.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
He created some health care savings plans and allocated some money for economic stimulus -- hardly controversial measures. The rest is just BS spin. Anyway, that was only 140 million dollars, and the projected short fall is 3.6 billion dollars. The concessions he is asking from the unions are quite reasonable, and probably still leaves them with better benefits than most State employees nationally. The taxpayers are sick of footing the bill for these goldbricks.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Tax cuts to the rich.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Gutting the entire collective bargaining process is very unreasonable, and this is why there is so much protesting in regards to this and why it will spark a major political war over the rights of employees to belong to unions and engage in collective bargaining.
What is unreasonable if for any Government employess to have any collective bargaining rights, period.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I disagree. Any employee should have the option to join a Union. Most anti- union activity these days has moved from the old model of the bull with the club to the lawyers and specialists in working to undermine efforts of people to become unionized. Many companies like Walmart, Starbucks and others provide lousy benefit packages and artificially keep the weekly hours of workers down to prevent them from getting health insurance. Even when they get it, it costs so much compared to their wage that if they lose time at work due to sickness, they quickly use this benefit and can never seem to make enough to get it back. No, it is time for an aggressive rebuilding of unions on a global basis. Global trade is a mechanism used to try to destroy and dis empower the rights of workers, thus hand in hand with this effort globalization of economic interests should be fought to either kill it, or to install means for unions to fight and prevail against the unfair and despotic business practices that hurt people so much worldwide. If unions were the problem, there would be much more of them, and the richest of the rich would not still be getting richer and richer, and the poor even more desperate and hurting for a living wage income and benefits.
From another forum from someone who lives in WI __ To all those OUTSIDE the State of Wisconsin, let me explain what this is really ALL about as far as union leaders like Beil are concerned......Part of the bill that takes much or the collective bargaining rights away from the unions. This is true, but what REALLY has Beil up in arms is that his workers would no longer be REQUIRED to belong to the union. Right now, state and gov't employees in Wisconsin are not required to be in the union, but they are required to pay union dues whether they are or not. Those dues are deducted AUTOMATICALLY from gov't employees paychecks and sent on to the union. The new law would eliminate this and the employees could be free to be in the union, but they would have to write a check EACH month for their union dues. They could also choose to NOT write a check, not be in the union, and keep that money themselves. The union KNOWS many will choose to keep their cash and the unions will soon be broke, with no money to send to the Democrat Party each election. THAT is what has the union leaders scared to death, their gravy train is coming to an end.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
They should have dues go to the union whether they belong or not. As much of today's union busting aims squarely to keep a certified union financially destitute and gutted, and as these folks get the benefits and protection of a union whether they belong or not, they should pay. I support not letting people opt out of paying. It keeps people applying undue pressure and manipulation at bay, and they make more money overall because they have a union. I have no sympathy for union busting, and the sneaky and unfair tactics used to prevent people from exercising their right to vote in a union and keep it.
Thanks to the gutting of sound election law controlling undue influence of deep pockets, many foreign corporations and rich people will be out to buy out even more of the U.S. Government by pouring billions into races for public office at a level rank and file contributors cannot match.
Think about those words mike. Now whose money is taken and given away? tax giveaways lol
Not enough in taxes is coming from the people rich and powerful enough to have undue influence on the process. When you give a large break to someone not contributing their fair share, it is indeed a giveaway. I am hopeful that the next time the Bush tax giveaway to the wealthiest few percentage points of income earners comes up for extention, that they will not be extended and will die the death they deserve.
There is no such thing as a tax break. It is just less money stolen. It is still stolen.
In as few words as possible: Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai" Well, if you say that there should be no taxes, you are not going to get many agreeing with you, even from the Tea contingent. Like it or not, government needs to be funded. And government provided protection and benefits that would not be there if government vanished but for a puppet show run by corporate interests. I have argued against the no taxes at all argument before, but usually against anarchists or people who want business to run things. Are you an anarchist now?
Dude, he's a SOCIALIST. He believes the government owns all money, and that the people keep only that amount the government ALLOWS them to have. Given that context, nothing you say will change his mind. He'll keep that viewpoint, until the government is at HIS door, with weapons drawn, demanding a "tribute" of the feudal vassal, to the overlord. The socialists/communists on this forum, are TRULY sick in the head.
Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai" I am in favor of the gas tax if it pays for the roads. I'm in favor of constitutional taxes.
And do you have a citation that explains what "Constitutional taxes" are? If not, can you explain how you view what is a Constitutional tax and what is not. Also, do you support federal taxes for infrastructure like roads, or only on a local basis. And as the Interstate Highway System requires standardization for infrastructure and was made into law as a 'National Defense Highway System' when it was developed and passed into law in the 1950s, how would you turn a highway system from a national entity who's first mission is to insure national defense to fifty different entities. And if you did this, how would that save money and still provide the mobility it would take to defend against invasion and provide for security?
When President Eisenhower went to Kansas to announce the interstate highway system, he announced it as "the National Defense Highway System." In 1956 President Eisenhower signed legislation establishing the National System of Interstate and Defense Highways (about 41,000 miles of roads). Since then, DOD has continued to identify and update defense-important highway routes. The National Defense Highway system was designed to move military equipment and personnel efficiently By the late 1930s, the pressure for construction of transcontinental superhighways was building. It even reached the White House, where President Franklin D. Roosevelt repeatedly expressed interest in construction of a network of toll superhighways as a way of providing more jobs for people out of work. He thought three east-west and three north south routes would be sufficient. Congress, too, decided to explore the concept. The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1938 directed the chief of the Bureau of Public Roads (BPR) to study the feasibility of a six route toll network. Some observers thought the plan lacked the vision evident in the popular "Futurama" exhibit at the 1939 New York World's Fair. The exhibit's designer, Norman Bel Geddes, imagined the road network of 1960 - 14-lane superhighways crisscrossing the nation, with vehicles moving at speeds as high as 160 km per hour. The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1944 authorized designation of a 65,000-km "National System of Interstate Highways," to be selected by joint action of the state highway departments. Construction of the interstate system moved slowly. In 1919, Lt. Colonel Dwight D. Eisenhower accompanied the Army's first transcontinental motor convoy from Washington, DC, to San Francisco, thereby forming an image in the future President's mind of a system of cross continental highways that eventually led to the concept of the National Defense Highway System. During World War II, Gen. Eisenhower saw the advantages Germany enjoyed because of the autobahn network. He also noted the enhanced mobility of the Allies when they fought their way into Germany. President Eisenhower established the Highway Trust Fund to create a funding mechanism that enabled the United States to build a national road network similar to the German Autobahn. From the outset of construction of the Interstate System, the DOD has monitored its progress closely, ensuring direct military input to all phases of construction. The National Defense Highway System was responsible for building many of the first freeways. Its purpose was supposedly to allow for mass evacuation of cities in the event of a nuclear attack. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/ndhs.htm A citation to let you know of what I speak of.
Excise taxes. All road taxes should be exclusively paid for by gas taxes.
Article I, section II of the U.S. Constitution. The 16th Amendment, as judged by the SCOTUS in STANTON v. BALTIC MINING CO, 240 U.S. 103 (1916): the tax is therefore, within the ruling of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & T. Co. 157 U.S. 429 , 39 L. ed. 759, 15 Sup. Ct. Rep. 673; 158 U.S. 601 , 39 L. ed. 1108, 15 Sup. Ct. Rep. 912, a direct tax and void for want of compliance with the regulation of apportionment. Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai"
#2. To: Skip Intro, no gnu taxes (#1)
#3. To: Godwinson (#2)
FIGHT THE TYRANNICAL REPUBLICAN GOVT!!!!!!
#4. To: no gnu taxes (#3)
Maybe it didn't occur to you that they are doing what they campaigned on doing and were elected to do.
#5. To: Godwinson (#4)
Like when the Democrats passed health care???
#6. To: no gnu taxes (#3)
#7. To: no gnu taxes (#5)
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
The Governor created much of the shortfall with tax giveaways
#9. To: no gnu taxes, Ferret Mike (#8)
e created some health care savings plans and allocated some money for economic stimulus
#10. To: no gnu taxes (#8)
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
Gutting the entire collective bargaining process is very unreasonable
#12. To: no gnu taxes (#11)
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
#14. To: no gnu taxes (#13)
#15. To: no gnu taxes (#13)
"The union KNOWS many will choose to keep their cash and the unions will soon be broke, with no money to send to the Democrat Party each election"
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
tax giveaways
#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
They should have dues go to the union whether they belong or not.
EAT SHIT.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
#21. To: A K A Stone (#16)
Think about those words mike. Now whose money is taken and given away? tax giveaways lol
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)
#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)
National Defense Highway System
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
And do you have a citation that explains what "Constitutional taxes" are?
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation...
That is to say, "Income" is NOT wages or salaries, but profit separated from its source, aka "capital gains." Thus, "income tax" is tax on the profits of investments. Since wages and salaries are an equal exchange of money for labor, there is no profit, thus no "income" and no "income tax" applies. Of course, hiding behind the bozo filter makes it convenient for you to ignore the fact that our government is a bunch of lying THIEVES, and you LOVE them, as they rob you... You socialists are TRULY pathetic.
#27. To: no gnu taxes (#3)
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