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Published: Feb 14, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-02-14 10:53:38 by Godwinson
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Egyptian labor unrest grows after uprising
(AP) – 22 minutes ago
CAIRO (AP) — Egypt's military rulers called for an end to strikes and protests Monday as thousands of state employees, from ambulance drivers to police and transport workers, demonstrated to demand better pay in a growing wave of labor unrest unleashed by the democracy uprising that ousted Hosni Mubarak's regime.
The statement by the ruling military council that took power from Mubarak appeared to be a final warning to protest organizers in labor and professional unions before the army intervenes and imposes an outright ban on gatherings, strikes and sit-ins.
Soldiers cleared out almost all the remaining demonstrators from Cairo's Tahrir Square, the giant traffic circle that was turned into a protest camp headquarters for the 18-day revolt. During more than two weeks of round-the-clock demonstrations at the square, protesters set up tents, brought in blankets, operated medical clinics and festooned the entire plaza with giant banners demanding removal of the regime.
At the height of the uprising, hundreds of thousands packed the downtown crossroads. Several huge trucks piled high with protesters' blankets left the square Tuesday. All the tents were gone, as were other signs of permanent camps. By early afternoon, a few dozen stalwarts remained, standing in one corner of the square and yelling for the release of political prisoners. The remaining protesters say they won't leave until all those detained during the revolt are released. Egypt's ambassador to the United States, Sameh Shoukry, said Mubarak, 82, was "possibly in somewhat of bad health," providing the first word about him since being ousted Friday. Speaking Monday on NBC's "Today" show, the envoy said he had received the information about Mubarak but could not be more specific. Two Cairo newspapers said Mubarak was refusing to take medication, depressed and repeatedly passing out at his residence in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el- Sheikh. There was no immediate confirmation of the reports.
Mubarak had surgery in Germany last year to remove his gallbladder.
The latest communique by the ruling military council was read on state television by a military spokesman. It said Egypt needed a quieter climate so the military can run the nation's affairs at this "critical stage" and eventually hand over the reins of power to an elected and civilian administration. The statement also warned that strikes and protests hurt the country's security and economy and gave a chance to what it called "irresponsible parties" to commit "illegal acts." It did not elaborate.
Amid the efforts to build a new system, Egypt's upheaval has splintered into a host of smaller grievances, the inevitable outcome of emboldened citizens feeling free to speak up, most of them for the first time.
Outside the Nile-side TV and state radio building, hundreds of public transportation workers demonstrated to demand better pay. Several hundred protesters from the state Youth and Sports Organization also protested Monday with similar demands in Tahrir after the military had moved the long-term protesters out.
Across the Nile River in the Giza district, hundreds of ambulance drivers demonstrated, also to demand better pay and permanent jobs. They parked at least 70 ambulances on a roadside along the river, but did not block the main road.
In downtown Cairo, hundreds of police demonstrated for a second day for better pay. They also want to clear their reputation, further tarnished by the deadly clashes between protesters and security forces. Some carried portraits of policemen killed in the clashes.
"These are victims of the regime too," declared one placard.
"It's hard for us to go back to work because people hate us," said one protester, a captain who was among the demonstrators. "An official funeral must be held for our martyrs." Several hundred unemployed archaeology graduates demonstrated outside the Supreme Council for Antiquities in the upscale district of Zamalek, demanding jobs.
Alaa Ashour, head of the country's national carrier, EgyptAir, was removed by the civil aviation minister after workers went on strike at Cairo International Airport. Ashour, also described by airport officials as Mubarak's pilot on international trips, was removed late Sunday after workers called for more perks and pay.
Even so, the protests continued Monday in other subsidiaries of EgyptAir's parent company, as well as workers at companies that provide support services to the airline. Reflecting the continuing downturn in travel from Egypt, EgyptAir said it had organized only 31 international flights and 12 domestic flights for Monday. The carrier generally has about 145 scheduled flights per day.
The Central Bank of Egypt ordered banks across the country closed following a strike by employees of the National Bank, the largest state bank, and several other financial institutions. Tuesday is a national holiday in Egypt to mark the birth of Islam's 7th century Prophet Muhammad. The banks are scheduled to reopen Wednesday.
The stock market, however, will stay closed Wednesday and Thursday, the final weekday in Egypt. A previous announcement had said it would reopen Wednesday, ending a three-week closure that began after the market lost almost 17 percent of its value in two days of trading in late January.
The ruling military council that took over power from Mubarak on Friday has said that security and a return to normal are among its top priorities. It has urged Egyptians to return to work to save the economy after the 18 days of protests sent hundreds of thousands of foreign tourists fleeing in hurried evacuation flights — a major blow to the country's biggest economic sector. Monday's protests came a day after the ruling military rulers took sweeping action to dismantle Mubarak's autocratic legacy, dissolving parliament, suspending the constitution and promising elections.
The generals also met Sunday with representatives of the broad-based youth movement that brought down the government. Prominent activist Wael Ghonim posted on a Facebook page he manages notes from the meeting between members of the military council and youth representatives, which he described as encouraging.
The military defended the caretaker government led by Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq and stocked with Mubarak loyalists as necessary for now in the interests of stability but pledged to change it soon, according to Ghonim and another protester, Amr Salama.
"They said they will go after corrupt people no matter what their position current or previous," the posted statement added. Amendments to the much-reviled constitution will be prepared by an independent committee in the next 10 days and then presented for approval in a popular referendum in two months, they said.
The military also encouraged the youth to consider forming political parties — something very difficult to do under the old system — and pledged to meet with them regularly. "We felt a sincere desire to protect the gains of the revolution and an unprecedented respect for the right of young Egyptians to express their opinions," Ghonim said.
On Monday, representatives of the youth groups that organized the protests said they wanted Shafiq's government replaced by a cabinet of technocrats and that Mubarak's National Democratic Party be dissolved.
The party has dominated political life in Egypt for three decades and is widely thought to have been behind much of the corruption that protesters have complained about. The party won all but a small fraction of parliament's 518-seat chamber in elections held in November and December that were marred by widespread fraud blamed on the party and its allies in the police and civil service.
The wave of post-Mubarak strikes and protests spread to the community of refugees too. Several thousand refugees from East African countries, including Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia, gathered outside the U.N. refugee agency, UNHCR, on the outskirts of Cairo, demanding to be allowed to leave Egypt to resettle elsewhere. Several helmeted riot police officers blocked the entrance, as many in the crowd tried to get into the building. They banged on the gates and threatened to storm the building before they calmed down and representatives went inside to meet with UNHCR officials, who gave them assistance with their daily hardships. There were no clashes and the numbers dwindled to a few hundred by evening.
The refugees complained they have been stuck in Egypt for several years, some as long as a decade. They said the U.N. has made no effort to move them elsewhere, and that they live in difficult conditions in Egypt. The refugees said that with the country in turmoil, there is even greater urgency to move them.
Associated Press correspondents Karin Laub and Sarah El Deeb contributed to this report. Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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#6. To: Godwinson (#3)
I'm not anti union. I'm just calling it the way I see it from my experiences.
(DO NOT RE EDIT WHAT I EDIT. THANK YOU..STONE)
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I will take the Union over management any day - especially American management. At least mangers from nations like Japan do all they can to maintain a good life for their employees as part of their societal obligations. In America, if a manager can fire workers and then shift the workload to the remaining employees and work them to death while cutting wages and benefits he is given a raise.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
At least mangers from nations like Japan do all they can to maintain a good life for their employees as part of their societal obligations. In America, if a manager can fire workers and then shift the workload to the remaining employees and work them to death while cutting wages and benefits he is given a raise. That is just an opinionated broad brush statement.
Here is how the American boss implements terror slavery on his non-union employees. This is how the American workplace has deteriorated since the Reagan era Union busting: It is the screed of the CEO of Cerner Corp. to his minions. Here's the text: From: Patterson,Neal I have gone over the top. I have been making this point for over one year. We are getting less than 40 hours of work from a large number of our KC-based EMPLOYEES. The parking lot is sparsely used at 8AM; likewise at 5PM. As managers -- you either do not know what your EMPLOYEES are doing; or YOU do not CARE. You have created expectations on the work effort which allowed this to happen inside Cerner, creating a very unhealthy environment. In either case, you have a problem and you will fix it or I will replace you. NEVER in my career have I allowed a team which worked for me to think they had a 40 hour job. I have allowed YOU to create a culture which is permitting this. NO LONGER. At the end of next week, I am plan to implement the following: 1. Closing of Associate Center to EMPLOYEES from 7:30AM to 6:30PM. 2. Implementing a hiring freeze for all KC based positions. It will require Cabinet approval to hire someone into a KC based team. I chair our Cabinet. 3. Implementing a time clock system, requiring EMPLOYEES to 'punch in' and 'punch out' to work. Any unapproved absences will be charged to the EMPLOYEES vacation. 4. We passed a Stock Purchase Program, allowing for the EMPLOYEE to purchase Cerner stock at a 15% discount, at Friday's BOD meeting. Hell will freeze over before this CEO implements ANOTHER EMPLOYEE benefit in this Culture. 5. Implement a 5% reduction of staff in KC. 6. I am tabling the promotions until I am convinced that the ones being promoted are the solution, not the problem. If you are the problem, pack you bags. I think this parental type action SUCKS. However, what you are doing, as managers, with this company makes me SICK. It makes sick to have to write this directive. I know I am painting with a broad brush and the majority of the KC based associates are hard working, committed to Cerner success and committed to transforming health care. I know the parking lot is not a great measurement for 'effort'. I know that 'results' is what counts, not 'effort'. But I am through with the debate. We have a big vision. It will require a big effort. Too many in KC are not making the effort. I want to hear from you. If you think I am wrong with any of this, please state your case. If you have some ideas on how to fix this problem, let me hear those. I am very curious how you think we got here. If you know team members who are the problem, let me know. Please include (copy) Kynda in all of your replies. I STRONGLY suggest that you call some 7AM, 6PM and Saturday AM team meetings with the EMPLOYEES who work directly for you. Discuss this serious issue with your team. I suggest that you call your first meeting -- tonight. Something is going to change. I am giving you two weeks to fix this. My measurement will be the parking lot: it should be substantially full at 7:30 AM and 6:30 PM. The pizza man should show up at 7:30 PM to feed the starving teams working late. The lot should be half full on Saturday mornings. We have a lot of work to do. If you do not have enough to keep your teams busy, let me know immediately. Folks this is a management problem, not an EMPLOYEE problem. Congratulations, you are management. You have the responsibility for our EMPLOYEES. I will hold you accountable. You have allowed this to get to this state. You have two weeks. Tick, tock Neal ….. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
What parts do you have a problem with?
Then we have the entitled banking class that brought the economy to its knees and then felt entitled to bonuses.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
You can give Obama most of the blame for that. He pushed his stimulus (theft) bill. I don't particularly care for big banks myself.
The worker is powerless in this arrangement. You want to know why we have high divorce rates in America? Maybe its because the asshole employer is keeping his "starving" employees fed on Pizza and not allowed to go home after 5....
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You worship big banks, stone.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Well, let's see - If you're a parent working 'til 6:30, you probably can't pick up the kids from daycare until 7:00 (good luck finding a center that stays open that late). After that there's dinner and homework to deal with - a trip through the drive up window at the fast food restaurant on the way home - hurry up and eat, try to get the homework done and the kids to bed at a decent hour so they get a good nights sleep 'cause if you have to be at work at 7:30 you have to get the kids up early, fed, dressed, and back to daycare early. Quality time with the family on weekends? Forget it. Along with all the domestic chores, you have to be back to work Saturday morning. Is the employer paying for 40 hours work and feeling entitled to more work without paying for it?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Bush bailed out the banks making them bonuses possible.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Hmm - that relates to the obesity epidemic.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Complete bullshit. The "worker" has the option to leave. Oh, you think you don't have that option? Then get a better education, become more marketable, and then you will. Oh, you didn't bother to better yourself? Too lazy, too busy watching "American Idol," or "Dancing with the Stars," while drinking Steel- City beer and eating greasy potato-chips on the couch, to better yourself? EVERYTHING is a choice. You choose to show up for work every day, collect a check in exchange for your menial labor, and never bother to improve your skills and marketability. Conversely, you choose to learn more, take classes at night, become more skilled (in whatever you choose), and be more valuable to the company (or the market, in general). If you chose to do nothing to improve your situation, if you chose to NOT invest in yourself, if you instead chose to be complacent and not adapt to changing conditions, then the fault is YOURS, not some asshole who happens to be CEO of an insurance company. Nothing like making a lot of excuses, LM. You MAKE the time, to do the things you need to do, to prepare for the future. You do whatever you have to, make whatever arrangements you must, to do what's necessary. I've had to deal with the kinds of problems you're dealing with. Often, the only way to manage, has been to sacrifice sleep or "recreation" time. You make pathetic excuses. I- and many like me- made the sacrifices necessary, to reach the goals we set for ourselves. An old proverb says "if you fail to plan, you plan to fail." There are many that don't bother to whine, like you do. They get tough, and get moving on their plans.
Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai" Nothing like making a lot of excuses, LM. You MAKE the time, to do the things you need to do, to prepare for the future. You do whatever you have to, make whatever arrangements you must, to do what's necessary. I've had to deal with the kinds of problems you're dealing with. Often, the only way to manage, has been to sacrifice sleep or "recreation" time. You make pathetic excuses. I- and many like me- made the sacrifices necessary, to reach the goals we set for ourselves. Whatsa matter? You afraid hiring a few more will cut into your year end salary saving bonuses? And other corporations will be mad at you since you are cutting into your employees' product consumin' time hereby indirectly contributing to the demise of the economy.
http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi
When, in the schedule I laid out for you do you think there is time for "American Idol," or "Dancing with the Stars"? Often, the only way to manage, has been to sacrifice sleep or "recreation" time. Recreation time? That's a laugh! Vacation hours go for staying at home with sick kids or school holidays when the day care is closed and the parent can't find a baby sitter.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
No leisure time allowed, when there's a buck to be made. Keep employees anxious and focused on the task at hand or on planned paid for vacations where every second is structured for maximized enjoyment, otherwise they might have time to think about alternatives.
http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi
Nothing like failing to address the point. Stick to FACTS, not hyperbole.
Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai" Oh, you think you don't have that option? Then get a better education, become more marketable, and then you will. Unless your over certain age with a wife and kids and a mortgage, then what? You sound like the Romans who said that if their slaves did not like being slaves they were free to kill themselves. Also, this is a democracy - rule of the people - why do we let bosses treat their employees the way third world tyrants would? Why would you threaten tyrants in govt with 2nd amend solutions but when a boss does it you so called freedom fighters are OK with it? Because you can vote politicians out of office but that does not stop you from calling them tyrants so why won't you cross that line for tyrannical employers? If we are made in the image of the Lord why do you allow any human being to abuse that soul in such a way?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Answer: Because he read a web page somewhere that said that was the way it should be.
Stick to FACTS, not hyperbole. Following the money is always the point when dealing with capitalists.
http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi
That's true with monopolists and oligopolists. Or, what today passes for a "free market" throughout the world. Unfortunately, there hasn't been true free markets for nearly a century. What we have is CRONYISM. I don't give two warm squirts about the "Too Big To Fail" banks, the Federal Reserve or the whore-house in D.C. They push the propaganda that we still live in a "free" country, even as the state and Federal taxes exceed 50% of GDP. This parasitic relationship between big government and big pharma & agra, as well as the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned about, is killing this country. Don't tell ME to follow the money... I already know. Start educating yourself on whoever it is you voted to be POTUS, and then get back to me. Despite your snappy words, the bottom line is that you're another propagandized sheep, lining up to be sheared. You want to go that direction? Fine with me. Just don't expect me- or anyone else who understands what's really going on- to join you. Now, you gonna' talk facts, or you gonna' continue on with your leftist talking points? If it's the former, fine. If it's the latter, then you'll be the newest bozo-list member. Choose.
Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai" If I worship Big Banks then you worship the white stuff that comes out of Obama.
Go swallow some tea bags,
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Quality time with the family on weekends? Forget it. Along with all the domestic chores, you have to be back to work Saturday morning. Is the employer paying for 40 hours work and feeling entitled to more work without paying for it? We are getting less than 40 hours of work from a large number of our KC-based EMPLOYEES. Pay attention to the article Lucy. Your points are all off. I'll address your points anyway even thought they don't match this scenario. If you don't like the job get another one.
Don't say I worship Big BANKS and I wont say stupid stuff to you either. I will tell you my positions. You don't tell me my positions.
Ok now you admit it was a schedule you laid out (made up).
Lucy. Lucy. Snap out of it. Wake up. Obama voted for it. Plus passed another stimilus bill, and another.
Maybe they should cut your hours to 20 a week and hire another part timer. Don't be greedy.
So you have a problem with a 40 hour work week? No wonder why you are on the internet all day long. Do you have a job or do you collect govt benefits? Hmm Destro
It is a Republic.
Because, like, everybody in Egypt lives in a Leave It To Beaver wife, kids, & mortgage world?
Not entirely. below is from Neal ….., Chairman & Chief Executive Officer, Cerner Corporation www.cerner.com My measurement will be the parking lot: it should be substantially full at 7:30 AM and 6:30 PM. The pizza man should show up at 7:30 PM to feed the starving teams working late. The lot should be half full on Saturday mornings. Now you tell me, if your employer expects you to be at work from 7:30 in the morning to 6:30 in the evening, how much time does that leave for family and domestic duties? Of course if you still live at home with your parents you might expect your mom to have dinner waiting for you when you get home as well as doing the shopping, laundry, housework, cooking, and dishes. Then you can settle down in front of the tv with a can of beer nothing more being required of you until work the next morning.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
We are getting less than 40 hours of work from a large number of our KC-based EMPLOYEES. Why do you assume that everyone shows up at the same time?
Is that how you do it. Live with your parents?
Seven-thirty am to 6:30 pm is 11 hours. Subtract an hour for lunch and 15 minutes in the morning and another in the afternoon leaves 9.5 hours - multiply by 5 and the total is 47.5 hours plus half a day on Saturday. Why do you assume that everyone shows up at the same time? I don't.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Everybody doesn't show up at the same fucking time. People get there at different times that do different tasks. That is what you get from the alleged email.
My parents have passed on and my children are grown. I want an "I survived" bumper sticker for my car.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
What does substantially full mean? How does "substantially full" relate to half full? Is "half full" more or less than "substantially full"?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Look I really don't care that much about this issue. He is the owner of the business. If you don't like the rules take a hike. Get another job or go out and start your own business. Life is hard. Always has been and always will be.
Sounds like throughout the day more and more people are coming into work. Also you keep ignoring the part about less then 40 hours. I think you just like to argue. That is ok if you just like to argue.
#7. To: A K A Stone (#5)
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#8. To: A K A Stone (#6)
I'm not anti union. I'm just calling it the way I see it from my experiences.
#9. To: Godwinson (#8)
I will take the Union over management any day - especially American management.
#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)
That is just an opinionated broad brush statement.
To: DL_ALL_MANAGERS;
Subject:MANAGEMENT DIRECTIVE: Week #10_01: Fix it or changes will be made
Importance: High
To the KC_based managers:
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Cerner Corporation www.cerner.com
2800 Rockcreek Parkway; Kansas City, Missouri 64117
"We Make Health Care Smarter"
#11. To: Godwinson (#10)
#12. To: A K A Stone (#5)
I mean entitled to be lazy and never get fired.
#13. To: lucysmom (#12)
Then we have the entitled banking class that brought the economy to its knees and then felt entitled to bonuses.
#14. To: A K A Stone (#11)
What parts do you have a problem with?
#15. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#13)
I don't particularly care for big banks myself.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#11)
What parts do you have a problem with?
#17. To: A K A Stone (#13)
You can give Obama most of the blame for that.
#18. To: Godwinson (#14)
Maybe its because the asshole employer is keeping his "starving" employees fed on Pizza and not allowed to go home after 5....
#19. To: Godwinson, lucysmom, A K A Stone, Happy Quanzaa, (#14)
The worker is powerless in this arrangement.
Well, let's see - If you're a parent working 'til 6:30, you probably can't pick up the kids from daycare until 7:00 (good luck finding a center that stays open that late). After that there's dinner and homework to deal with - a trip through the drive up window at the fast food restaurant on the way home - hurry up and eat, try to get the homework done and the kids to bed at a decent hour so they get a good nights sleep 'cause if you have to be at work at 7:30 you have to get the kids up early, fed, dressed, and back to daycare early.
#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#19)
#21. To: Capitalist Eric (#19)
Oh, you didn't bother to better yourself? Too lazy, too busy watching "American Idol," or "Dancing with the Stars," while drinking Steel- City beer and eating greasy potato-chips on the couch, to better yourself?
#22. To: lucysmom (#21)
Recreation time? That's a laugh! Vacation hours go for staying at home with sick kids or school holidays when the day care is closed and the parent can't find a baby sitter.
#23. To: Rek (#20)
Whatsa matter? You afraid hiring a few more will cut into your year end salary saving bonuses?
#24. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, A K A Stone, Happy Quanzaa, Rek (#19)
(Edited)
Complete bullshit. The "worker" has the option to leave.
#25. To: Godwinson (#24)
#26. To: Capitalist Eric (#23)
Nothing like failing to address the point.
#27. To: Rek (#26)
(Edited)
Following the money is always the point when dealing with capitalists.
#28. To: Godwinson (#15)
#29. To: A K A Stone (#28)
#30. To: lucysmom (#16)
Well, let's see - If you're a parent working 'til 6:30, you probably can't pick up the kids from daycare until 7:00 (good luck finding a center that stays open that late). After that there's dinner and homework to deal with - a trip through the drive up window at the fast food restaurant on the way home - hurry up and eat, try to get the homework done and the kids to bed at a decent hour so they get a good nights sleep 'cause if you have to be at work at 7:30 you have to get the kids up early, fed, dressed, and back to daycare early.
#31. To: Godwinson (#29)
#32. To: lucysmom (#21)
When, in the schedule I laid out for you
#33. To: lucysmom (#17)
Bush bailed out the banks making them bonuses possible.
#34. To: Rek (#20)
Whatsa matter? You afraid hiring a few more will cut into your year end salary saving bonuses?
#35. To: Godwinson aka Destro (#14)
The worker is powerless in this arrangement. You want to know why we have high divorce rates in America? Maybe its because the asshole employer is keeping his "starving" employees fed on Pizza and not allowed to go home after 5....
#36. To: Godwinson (#24)
Also, this is a democracy
#37. To: Godwinson (#24)
Unless your over certain age with a wife and kids and a mortgage
#38. To: A K A Stone (#32)
Ok now you admit it was a schedule you laid out (made up).
#39. To: lucysmom (#38)
#40. To: lucysmom (#38)
Of course if you still live at home
#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)
We are getting less than 40 hours of work from a large number of our KC-based EMPLOYEES.
#42. To: lucysmom (#41)
#43. To: A K A Stone (#40)
Is that how you do it. Live with your parents?
#44. To: A K A Stone (#42)
Everybody doesn't show up at the same fucking time.
#45. To: lucysmom (#44)
#46. To: lucysmom (#44)
What does substantially full mean? How does "substantially full" relate to half full? Is "half full" more or less than "substantially full"?
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