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Title: Seven Reasons Why Barack Obama Is Not A Christian
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Christian Anti-Defamation Commission
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Published: Jan 05, 2009
Author: Rev. Don Hamer
Post Date: 2011-02-10 18:58:15 by Murron
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Video Transcripts: Seven Reasons Why Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Monday, 05 January 2009 18:13 VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #1 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #1: Obama Believes There Are Many Paths to Heaven I’m Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 1 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian, by any biblical or historic measure. In a 2004 interview with Cathleen Falsani, Obama said, “I believe that there are many paths to the same place.” Obama also said, “All people of faith—Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone knows the same God.” But Jesus said in John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Nowhere in the Bible is there a reference to Obama’s “many paths.” At a meeting of evangelical leaders in 2008, Obama was asked whether he believed Jesus was the only way to salvation. Obama replied, "Jesus is the only way for me."'[2] In a stunning example of subtle, diabolical deceit, Obama affirms Christ as his own Savoir then negates Christ as the only Savior of the world. Jesus warned us not to be deceived by those who would lead us astray. “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.” Jesus is the narrow gate and the only way to heaven. Obama’s view says, in effect, that Jesus’ death on the cross was unnecessary since there are multiple ways to God. The many paths of Obama are in reality just the broad road to destruction. Who are you going to believe, Jesus Christ or Barack Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #2 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #2: Obama Denies the Authority of the Bible I’m Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 2 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian, by any biblical or historic measure. God’s people confess that the Bible is God’s inspired and infallible Word and the Christian’s final authority of faith and practice. In a recent speech Obama distinguished himself from those who believe in the authority of the Bible. “Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do.” Obama went on to disparage and denigrate the scriptures. In a very cynical way, Obama twists selective scriptures to advance non-Biblical lifestyles using the golden rule to justify supporting homosexual sodomy. Obama even invokes the Bible by applying biblical pages to his campaign’s theme of political hope that actually refer to the hope Christians have in Christ. “At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future. Let us keep that promise, that American promise, and in the words of scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess.” Obama twists the Bible in an attempt to lend credibility to his agenda, even though he denies the Bible and it’s clear moral teachings. Obama is even derisive of faithful African American pastors who treat the Bible with respect. For Obama, his opinion, not the scripture, is the final authority. Jesus prayed to His Father, “Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.” Who are you going to believe, Jesus or Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #3 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #3: Obama Supports Homosexuality I’m Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 3 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian. Barack Obama is an unabashed supporter of special privileges for homosexuals, a stand that flies in the face of the biblical prohibition on homosexual sodomy. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus affirmed that every “jot and tittle” of the Bible is true, including the parts that condemn homosexuality.In an interview with the homosexual publication, the Advocate, Obama attacked faithful black pastors who faithfully proclaim what the Bible says about homosexuality. “…most African-American churches are still fairly traditional in the interpretations of Scripture. And so from the pulpit or in sermons you still hear homophobic attitudes expressed.” However, Obama lavished praise on his controversial former pastor and mentor, Jeremiah Wright, for being “very good on gay and lesbian issues.” Obama’s former church, Trinity United Church of Christ voted recently to approve of homosexual marriage. Obama dismissed as “obscure,” the clear and definitive teaching of the Apostle Paul in Romans 1 that calls homosexual acts “indecent” and “perverse.” Obama has also promised to overturn the Federal Defense of Marriage Act and promised to reverse the “don’t ask, don’t tell policy regarding homosexuality in the US military. When it comes to homosexuality, Obama opposes the traditional, biblical and historic standards of the Christian faith. Who are you going to believe, God and his Word or Barack Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #4 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #4: Obama Supports Abortion I’m Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 4 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian by any biblical or historic standard. Appearing before a recent meeting of Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in America, Obama proudly said… “I have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.” Obama says, “The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act.” This act would stop states from restricting abortions of any kind, even partial birth abortion. Throughout the history of the church, Christians have opposed abortion because they believe that life begins at conception. Abortion is as an attack on the innocent human life of a baby who is made in the image of God. Obama recently said at a Forum hosted by Pastor Rick Warren that to know when a baby ought to have human rights it is “above his pay grade,” but he is very clear that a baby can be killed anytime, even after it is born. On four separate occasions Obama has voted against bills that prevented the killing of infants that are born alive, having survived an attempted abortion. Who are you going to follow, God and his Word or Barack Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #5 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #5: Obama Affirms Muslim Prayer Hello, I am Rev. Don Hamer for the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 5, why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian by any biblical or historic or standard. In a New York Times interview in 2007, entitled Obama, A man of the World, Obama fondly recalled the Islamic evening call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” According to the article, “Obama went on to recite its opening lines with a perfect Arabic accent: “Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that Muhammad is his prophet!” The article said this would “give any one living Alabama a heart attack.” Christians believe that Jesus Christ is God’s True Prophet, the full and final revelation of God. No true Christian can say the Muslim call to prayer is a “pretty sound” because it is a direct challenge to the truthfulness of Jesus Christ as the Word of God made flesh. Mohammad denied that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The Muslim call to prayer affirms that Mohammad is God’s prophet. Jesus said, “For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice." John 18:37 NKJV Who are you going to believe, Jesus or Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #6 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #6: Obama is Associated with Black Liberation Theology Hello, I am Rev. Don Hamer, on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission, with reason number 6 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian by any historic or biblical standard. For 20 years Barack Obama was a member of a Trinity United Church of Christ, one of the most radical “Afro-centric” churches in America, lead by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Rev. Wright is a self described Black Liberation theologian who, according to Obama, was his spiritual mentor. Rev. Wright railed against the United States after the attacks of September 11th saying, “Not God bless America, God D*** America!” Wright preached that 9/11 was God’s “payback” to the United States for “ignoring black concerns.” Wright even said that HIV/AIDS (HIV / AIDS Victims 2) is a plot, orchestrated by the U.S. government, to kill blacks. Obama initially defended Wright, but then resigned from the church only after Wright’s radical views became a political liability. Black Liberation theology is from the 1970s and is based upon Marxism, socialism and class warfare. Although discredited decades ago, it still lives on at Obama’s home church. According to Black Liberation Theologian, James Cone, racial identity trumps the fact that he is a Christian. "The fact that I am Black is my ultimate reality… it is impossible for me to surrender this basic reality for a ‘higher, more universal’ reality.” “Black theology knows no authority more binding than the experience of oppression itself. This alone must be the ultimate authority in religious matters.” Black liberation theology declares that whites are essentially evil and are to be viewed as the enemy. "Whiteness as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man’s depravity… the coming of Christ means… destroying the white devil in us… in white racist society, Christian obedience can only mean being obedient to blackness, it’s glorification and exaltation… all white churches (are) anti-Christian in their essence." The fact is, there is a mixture of good and evil in every person and in every race. All have sinned and fall short of God’s glory. Jesus rejected race based theology. The Jews and the Samaritans of Christ’s day despised each other and even had rival places of worship, but Jesus said to a Samaritan woman. “The hour is coming and now is when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship him.” John 4:23 True worship, according to Jesus, transcends a person’s race. By creation, all mankind share one blood. In redemption, all who believe, from any race, are saved by Christ. In heaven there will people of every tongue, tribe, people and nation in heaven who have been saved by God’s grace in Jesus Christ. Who are you going to believe, Jesus or Obama’s black liberation theology? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #7 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #7: Obama Has No Bona Fide Christian Testimony Hello, I am Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 7, why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian by any biblical or historic standard. By Obama’s own account of his essential elements of true biblical conversion are lacking, namely, conviction of sin, repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of the world. When asked if he believed in sin, Obama said “Yes.” But when asked to define it, Obama said sin is, “Being out of alignment with my values.” Obama said he feels most aligned spiritually “when I’m being true to myself.” According to the Bible, when man sins, he sins against a Holy God in the violation of God’s holy law. Sin is not based on any man’s standards. Righteousness is obedience to God and his word. Obama is offended by the notion that all people need Christ in order to be saved. “The difficult thing about… Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize... There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell.” So, if Jesus is not a Savior who rescues from hell, then who is Jesus to Obama? “Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.” This is not the testimony of a true Christian. For Obama, Jesus is merely a historical figure not the risen and living Lord. For Obama, Jesus is merely “a” bridge in the “Christian faith,” not the only bridge for all mankind. For Obama, Jesus is a means to some vague “higher” thing. To the Christian, knowing and experiencing Christ is the highest attainment of the Christian life. Obama venerates doubt, which is contrary to the assurance of eternal salvation and truth which Christ gives his people. Asked if he was “born again,” Obama answered, “Yeah … [but] I retain… a suspicion of dogma… I think that religion at it's best comes with a big dose of doubt… I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die.” Asked to describe the day he was converted Obama denies that there was any kind of supernatural enlightenment or an epiphany or a specific moment when he finally “got it.” “I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me.” Obama’s testimony does not have the marks of a bona fide biblical conversion. Jesus gives his assurance that “He who believes on me has everlasting life,” and “I go to prepare a place for you!” When asked where he finds inspiration, Obama does not mention a relationship with Christ. He does mentions a lot of things church, but not Jesus. When asked who was his role model he mentions Gandi. “Gandhi is a great example of a profoundly spiritual man who acted and risked everything on behalf of those values but never slipped into intolerance or dogma. He seemed to always maintain an air of doubt about him.” No mention of Christ. Without the public admission that you are lost in sin and that you have turned from your sin and put your faith in Christ and his shed blood as the only remedy for sin, you are not truly converted. Who are you going to believe, God and his Word or Obama?
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#1. To: Murron (#0)
Congratulations on making the stupidest post of the day.
I would nominate any post of yours. It's hard to know which one since you don't seem capable of composing any thought of more than 10 words.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
If you're so smart, refute all, or any part of it....
If the author were a true Christian, he would know that only god knows what is in a person's heart. Any discussion like this is just utter nonsense.
I am amused too, as many right wing people run from Gary Cass and the cover group putting out that piece. CADC has no veracity nor respect in right wing circles, and this shows Murron's very superficial knowledge on right wing advocacy, and that all she did here was troll Google or bing looking for a piece in this particular topic in order to do what she is famous for: sucking up to the host of any forum she is on.
Well now, that's true, but I believe Obama is in a possition to deceive many, and I think it right to expose those who twist Gods word to suit their own nafarious reasons....jmo~
Just another wackjob cultist saying anyone who doesn't believe exactly what he does isn't a christian. Typical bullshit from a scumbnag like you.
nafaric, Mammy? Is that a word?
You're confusing a post with a posted article. It's understandable, knowing how limited you are mentally.
CADC has no veracity nor respect in right wing circles, and this shows Murron's very superficial knowledge on right wing advocacy, and that all she did here was troll Google or bing looking for a piece in this particular topic in order to do what she is famous for: sucking up to the host of any forum she is on. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
You should follow that advice, although it's way too late now.
Is that a word? I'm sure it is, but it's the wrong one, my mistake, I meant to say 'nefarious'.
I hate to break this to you, but Mr. Cass is noted on many counts for being wrong. For example, there is no evidence whatsoever that the whole Israel in captivity thing ever happened as he loves to rant about. The pyramids were built by Egyptians. Archaeologists have found their houses. What they have not found is any evidence that thousands of people wandered in the Sinai for decades. We have a lot of records from that period and no Egyptian sentry seems to have been aware of all those people crossing the border, coming or going. There are lots of examples of the lunacy of this Fascist's ranting being erroneous. And he is someone mainstream conservatism run from as fast as it can.
That is certainly true. But at this point we can attribute his deceptions to a warped political view. I know that early in his presidency there were some loons (mostly in Europe) who declared him to be some kind of "savior". But that's over and done with. At this point, he's a failed politician. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Obama does say there are many paths. That makes him an antichrist. For he denies what christ clearly taught. That means Obama is going to hell. Why would anyone want a leader of their country who is going to hell?
According to people like you, everybody but you is going to hell. Why should anybody pay any attention to you? You've shown time and time again you don't even understand the most basic concepts of your religion. For example, you apparently don't seem to realize that Jesus had to die for you to be saved. Therefore calling people "christ killers" is just stupid, since that was the plan all along.
The only people I've ever seen call him "Messiah" are people on the far right. You are right, though. He's nothing but a failed politician, not exactly something unique these days.
There are many examples proving Gary Cass wrong about President Obama never talking about his relationship with Jesus Christ. And the First Amendment by your argument is Satanist as it respects the right of religious freedom. It is the job of the President to defend religious freedom and to develop respect for all faiths. Obama is just doing what every president before him does as part of his upholding of the U.S. Constitution by showing respect for religious diversity. The above quote from the above piece I also linked is one of many examples refuting accurately Cass' claim Obama has never cited a personal devotion and relationship with Jesus.
Then you are either lying or much less informed than I thought. There are many more assertions like this, from your friends on the loony left.
Stone apparently doesn't realize that before the Reformation, there was exactly one christian church and anyone who wasn't a member of it was going straight to hell!. After the Reformation, hundreds of christian sects appeared, most of which believed that anyone who wasn't a member of their sect was going straight to hell. It's still the same today, as people like Stone show us.
I don't give a rat's ass what Europeans say. Show me people on the left here saying that.
How typical of you, the ol 'divert thier attention' maneuver, but this thread IS NOT about Reagan, or Bush, it's about your messiah, Obama ... I posted this thread as a rebuttal to your BS claim, in other words, you're a LIAR, and I've called you on it.... To: A K A Stone (#8) "Well President has been a Christian his entire life, and has a deep and personal relationship with Christ. I was not impressed with the deceptively cut video you posted a while back, and the footage showing him supporting the religious diversity called for in the Constitution's first Amendment is what presidents do. I believe your xenophobia and racist attitudes are very unchristian in nature, and I would say you seem to have a way to go to get to the level of Christian belief President Obama has". Ferret Mike
http://www.juancole.com/2005/08/fisking-war-on-terror-once-upon- time.html Fisking War On Terror Once Upon Time Posted on 08/02/2005 by Juan Fisking the “War on Terror” Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded “freedom fighters,” giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan’s instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a “biblical checklist” for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the “Christian” political line. If a congressman didn’t support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen (“freedom fighters”). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. Fisking War On Terror Once Upon Time Posted on 08/02/2005 by Juan Fisking the “War on Terror” Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded “freedom fighters,” giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan’s instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a “biblical checklist” for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the “Christian” political line. If a congressman didn’t support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen (“freedom fighters”). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission. By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a super power. On becoming president, George H. W. Bush made a deal with the Soviets that he would cut the Mujahideen off if the Soviets would leave Afghanistan. The last Soviet troops departed in early 1989. The US then turned its back on Afghanistan and allowed it to fall into civil war, as the radical Muslim factions fostered by Washington and Riyadh turned against one another and used their extensive weaponry on each other and on civilians. In the meantime, Saddam, whom the US had built up as a major military power, invaded Kuwait. The Bush senior administration now had to take on its former protege, and put hundreds of thousands of US troops into the Gulf and Saudi Arabia. The radical Muslim extremists with whom Reagan and Bush had allied in Afghanistan now turned on the US, objecting strenuously to a permanent US military presence in the Muslim holy land. Fisking War On Terror Once Upon Time Posted on 08/02/2005 by Juan Fisking the “War on Terror” Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded “freedom fighters,” giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan’s instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a “biblical checklist” for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the “Christian” political line. If a congressman didn’t support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen (“freedom fighters”). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission. By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a super power. Reagan also decided to build up Saddam Hussein in Iraq as a counterweight to Khomeinist Iran, authorizing US and Western companies to send him precursors for chemical and biological weaponry. At one point Donald Rumsfeld was sent to Iraq to assure Saddam that it was all right if he used chemical weapons against the Iranians. Reagan had no taste in friends. On becoming president, George H. W. Bush made a deal with the Soviets that he would cut the Mujahideen off if the Soviets would leave Afghanistan. The last Soviet troops departed in early 1989. The US then turned its back on Afghanistan and allowed it to fall into civil war, as the radical Muslim factions fostered by Washington and Riyadh turned against one another and used their extensive weaponry on each other and on civilians. In the meantime, Saddam, whom the US had built up as a major military power, invaded Kuwait. The Bush senior administration now had to take on its former protege, and put hundreds of thousands of US troops into the Gulf and Saudi Arabia. The radical Muslim extremists with whom Reagan and Bush had allied in Afghanistan now turned on the US, objecting strenuously to a permanent US military presence in the Muslim holy land. From 1994 Afghanistan was increasingly dominated by a faction of Mujahideen known as Taliban or seminary students (who were backed by Pakistani military intelligence, which learned the trick from Reagan and which were flush from all those billions the Reagan administration had funneled into the region). In 1996 Bin Laden came back and reestablished himself there, becoming the leader of 5,000 radical Arab volunteers that Reagan had urged Fahd to help come to Afghanistan back in the 1980s. http://www.juancole.com/2005/08/fisking-war-on-terror-once-upon- time.html The above information involved well documented truths very inconvenient to your point of view, Stone. You are a hypocrite to brand Obama as a Muslim and a anti-Christ in light of what Reagan and Bush one and two have done to support people in a way you would scream blody murder over had a Democratic president done.
Read the history of whom Reagan and the Bush family supported, and find any historic account refuting this piece I posted after this post of yours'. You can't as it talks about well documented and well known facts regarding policies and actions by these folks when they were in the White House.
Murron, why is Reagan's man Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with this man? You do know he was there as Reagan's representative do you not?
I'm tired of doing research for lazy leftists like you, Godwinson and Lucy. I will give you my PayPal account. From now on, you can deposit $100 for every research request you make.
Thank you so much for making my point to jwpegler.
I take that as a "I can't do it". BTW, see my post to Murron above. That's how the term "messiah" is used most.
I'm really sick and tired of the selective memories of many people on this story of U.S. support for the radical Muslim Mujahidin. I was in the U.S. Army in the late 1970s and again in the 1980s when I was in a Special Forces unit. I had Jordanian, Egyptian and other Muslim officers in my phase one course when I was at the SFQC and talk about our support of the Mujahidin, and other things in the piece I printed in a post in this thread we all talked about all the time. Which is a huge reason I roll my eyes at this Obama as Muslim talk. I also know how deeply we as a nation was involved in creating the Iran we see today after the revolutionary backlash to the Shah which we propped up as is being done with the current Egyptian dictator to make Israel happy at the expense of democracy and the aspirations of freedom the people in the UAR (Egypt) have. These folks want their cake and to eat it too. If you want to take Obama on as a supporter and enabler of Islamic terrorist, you are quickly in hot water as to who else you are calling to task on if you look at the history of past presidential administrations concerning this topic.
Who wants to be a christian? How will you live down fascism? Genocide?
Saddam was an asset to be used against the Iranians. Did you support the war Mike or oppose it? You can't have it both ways.
Jesus said if you deny him you are going to hell. He was either the son of God or a lunatic. I believe Jesus is who he said he was.
He is a liar Mike. Gods word makes it very clear that you can't serve two masters. He made it very clear that he is the only way to Heaven. Obama doesn't believe that. Will Obama believe that someday? I don't know, maybe maybe not. A christian CANNOT believe that Muslims have a path to heaven and be accurate.
Why should anybody pay any attention to you? You've shown time and time again you don't even understand the most basic concepts of your religion. Jesus said he was the only path to God. He is either lying or telling the truth. So if you are a christian (follower of christ) then you should know that he is the only path. Skip it is what the Bible clearly teaches. If you disagree that is your business. But you can't say that my position isn't in accordance with what the Bible teaches.
Do you support the radical Muslim Mujahidin and how Reagan and the Bushies groomed, supported and enabled them? Do you support Iraqi use of chemical weapons against the Kurds and Iranians as is well documented? I opposed the illegal invasion of Iraq, the foolish propping up of the Shah by many administrations, and the support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin which has come back to haunt us. I was in the Army during the invasion of Kuwait and was aware as everyone else was that Saddam did this thinking America had signaled him they would let him get away with this. What he found out was that the American administrations that had groomed and supported him also would throw him under the bus at a moment's notice.
This is your biased opinion, Stone. He has been a Christian a long time, and the evidence stacks against your contention.
It was support them or let the commies take over Afghanistan in their quest for a warm water port. It was in our interest to support the mujaheddin. The Shah was better then Khomeni. Did you really prefer the murderer Khomeni? That is sick Mike.
This is your biased opinion Mike be honest. Obama said he didn't raise taxes on anyone making over 250,000. He has Mike. I will name just one of them. Cigarettes. There are I think 7 or 8 other times. Mike he is a liar. Are you in denial? Are you going to try and twist and spin an obvious fact? Do so at the peril of your own reputation.
Mike your president called the Koran Holy. The Koran denies that Christ was the son of God. Mike that is antichrist. You can't be antichrist and a christian at the same time. Mike Obama even said in an interview "his muslim faith".
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#2. To: Skip Intro (#1)
Congratulations on making the stupidest post of the day.
#3. To: Skip Intro (#1)
Congratulations on making the stupidest post of the day.
#4. To: Murron (#0)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#5. To: Skip Intro, Murron (#1)
#6. To: jwpegler (#4)
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If the author were a true Christian, he would know that only god knows what is in a person's heart. Any discussion like this is just utter nonsense.
#7. To: Murron (#3)
If you're so smart, refute all, or any part of it....
#8. To: Murron (#6)
wn nafaric reasons
#9. To: no gnu taxes (#2)
I would nominate any post of yours. It's hard to know which one since you don't seem capable of composing any thought of more than 10 words.
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
I am amused too, as many right wing people run from Gary Cass and the cover group putting out that piece.
#11. To: Murron (#10)
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
#12. To: Skip Intro (#8)
wn nafaric reasons nafaric, Mammy?
#13. To: Murron (#10)
#14. To: Murron (#6)
I believe Obama is in a possition to deceive many
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#15. To: Murron (#0)
#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)
#17. To: jwpegler (#14)
I know that early in his presidency there were some loons (mostly in Europe) who declared him to be some kind of "savior".
#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)
President Barack Obama speaking at the 2011 National Prayer Breakfast, sharing about how he came to embrace Jesus Christ ‘as my Lord and Saviour’.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#15)
Reagan/Bush Used NASA for Muslim Outreach Before Obama
#20. To: Skip Intro (#17)
The only people I've ever seen call him "Messiah" are people on the far right.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#21. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#19)
#22. To: jwpegler (#20)
#23. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#19)
Reagan/Bush Used NASA for Muslim Outreach Before Obama
#24. To: A K A Stone (#15)
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Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year.
#25. To: Murron (#23)
#26. To: Murron (#23)
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#27. To: Skip Intro (#22)
Show me...
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#28. To: Murron, jwpegler (#23)
it's about your messiah, Obama ...
#29. To: jwpegler (#27)
I'm tired of doing research for lazy leftists like you, Godwinson and Lucy.
#30. To: Skip Intro (#29)
#31. To: Murron (#0)
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
Murron, why is Reagan's man Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with this man? You do know he was there as Reagan's representative do you not?
#33. To: Skip Intro (#21)
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#18)
President Barack Obama speaking at the 2011 National Prayer Breakfast, sharing about how he came to embrace Jesus Christ ‘as my Lord and Saviour’.
#35. To: Skip Intro (#16)
According to people like you, everybody but you is going to hell.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#32)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#34)
"He is a liar Mike."
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
Do you support the radical Muslim Mujahidin
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
"He is a liar Mike."
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
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