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Title: State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron (Diversity sux)
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BBC
URL Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994
Published: Feb 6, 2011
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2011-02-06 12:09:53 by Hondo68
Keywords: national and local identity, muscular liberalism, deny access to public funds
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Comments: 77
David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism. At a security conference in Munich, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism. He also signalled a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism. The speech angered some Muslim groups, while others queried its timing amid an English Defence League rally in the UK. As Mr Cameron outlined his vision, he suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups which get public money but do little to tackle extremism. Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued. "Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister said. Human rights "Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism? "These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations," he added. The Labour MP for Luton South, Gavin Shuker, asked if it was wise for Mr Cameron to make the speech on the same day the English Defence League staged a major protest in his constituency. There was further criticism from Labour's Sadiq Khan whose comments made in a Daily Mirror article sparked a row. The shadow justice secretary was reported as saying Mr Cameron was "writing propaganda material for the EDL". Conservative Party chairman Baroness Warsi hit back, saying that "to smear the prime minister as a right wing extremist is outrageous and irresponsible". She called on Labour leader Ed Miliband to disown the remarks. Meanwhile, the Muslim Council of Britain's assistant secretary general, Dr Faisal Hanjra, described Mr Cameron's speech as "disappointing". He told Radio 4's Today programme: "We were hoping that with a new government, with a new coalition that there'd be a change in emphasis in terms of counter-terrorism and dealing with the problem at hand. "In terms of the approach to tackling terrorism though it doesn't seem to be particularly new. "Again it just seems the Muslim community is very much in the spotlight, being treated as part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution." In the speech, Mr Cameron drew a clear distinction between Islam the religion and what he described as "Islamist extremism" - a political ideology he said attracted people who feel "rootless" within their own countries. "We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing," he said. The government is currently reviewing its policy to prevent violent extremism, known as Prevent, which is a key part of its wider counter-terrorism strategy. A genuinely liberal country "believes in certain values and actively promotes them", Mr Cameron said. "Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights, regardless of race, sex or sexuality. "It says to its citizens: This is what defines us as a society. To belong here is to believe these things." He said under the "doctrine of state multiculturalism", different cultures have been encouraged to live separate lives. 'I am a Londoner too' "We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values." Building a stronger sense of national and local identity holds "the key to achieving true cohesion" by allowing people to say "I am a Muslim, I am a Hindu, I am a Christian, but I am a Londoner... too", he said. Security minister Baroness Neville-Jones said when Mr Cameron expressed his opposition to extremism, he meant all forms, not just Islamist extremism. "There's a widespread feeling in the country that we're less united behind values than we need to be," she told Today. "There are things the government can do to give a lead and encourage participation in society, including all minorities." But the Islamic Society of Britain's Ajmal Masroor said the prime minister did not appreciate the nature of the problem. "I think he's confusing a couple of issues: national identity and multiculturalism along with extremism are not connected. Extremism comes about as a result of several other factors," he told BBC Radio 5 live. Former home secretary David Blunkett said while it was right the government promoted national identity, it had undermined its own policy by threatening to withdraw citizenship lessons from schools. He accused Education Secretary Michael Gove of threatening to remove the subject from the national curriculum of secondary schools in England at a time "we've never needed it more". "It's time the right hand knew what the far-right hand is doing," he said. "In fact, it's time that the government were able to articulate one policy without immediately undermining it with another."
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
Multiculturalism was never intended to 'work' by those who conceived it. It was always to divide society and ultimately destroy the sense of unity a nation must have if it is to survive.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Multiculturalism in the UK is a product of British imperialism and as long as there was a strong imperial monarchy, all people - no matter their culture were subjects of the crown so it did not matter much. The USA has a multicultural model where as long as people observe the constitution (England has no written constitution) they can have any culture they want as long as that culture does not violate constitutional principals. Therefore in America sects like Hassidic Jews, etc can co-exist because the US govt won't allow those culture's more extreme elements (like denying govt funded seperate sex schools) to function with any officiality. France for example actively tamps down on multicultural trends. Remember multicultural is about culture not race, so France may have Muslims but those Muslims are forced to become secular as are Catholics, and Jews. France's civil culture is that of the revolution's values.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Every country has its own unique culture. Hyphenated Americanism is one of the most destructive aberrations loosed on this country. If you wish to live within this country, you need to adopt that culture and not refuse to assimilate. If you want to be Mexican, German or French you need to got to those countries where the culture is to your liking.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Obama doesn't obey the constitution. He overthrew it with his so called election. He isn't even a citizen. He needs to go back to Kenya and try out for shoe maker or something.
That is garbage. French, Mexican and Germans were part of the pre - independent America and in fact Louisiana is organized around the French system. The USA was not born to perpetuate an Anglo-Saxonism on people. The only oath we take is to uphold the constitution of the USA and that is the ONLY culture America has.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I don't deal in kook talk.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Obama can't produce a birth certificate. Even crissy matthews now admits that. Wanting a president to be a citizen is a legitimate concern. I am a proofer.
War that isn't a birth certificate. They didn't even have that print font when he was born. I'm a proofer and demand proof.
My BC list the hospital and OB doctor, I see neither here. What hospital was he born at, and who was the physician that delivered him?
Stone, I know you are speaking an English dialect called "kook-American English" but I am not fluent in kook-speak.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
A) What does print font have to do with anything? Hawaii went to e-records several years ago. B) That isn't anything but a birth certificate.
Phony certificates of live birth are easy to find. Your logic is that because people can get fake stuff Obama's stuff is fake? Does that pass for deep thinking down at the shelter?
Neil related to Mike how he used his power of Governor to scour all the places those records could be and he could not find a long-form hospital-generated birth certificate with the doctor’s signature. There is more evidence also. Tim Adams, a former election clerk “has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.” Continue reading on Examiner.com: Democrat Abercrombie admits birth certificate for Obama does not exist – Pics - National Blogosphere Buzz | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/blogosphere-buzz-in-national/democrat-abercrombie-admits-birth-certificate-for-obama-does-not-exist-pics#ixzz1DDl7U8TK
So does mine From Connecticut, but different states have different state laws. Hawaii considers the long form to be private and law there does not permit it being released. It's very likely that even if the AZ law requiring proof of natural birth in the U.S.A. they will have to respect Hawaii law and accept a certificate like in that picture.
Who are Neil and Mike? And anyone can swear out anything that they want to swear. and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.” Chuckles...who told him?
Ambercrombie told them. The link to the complete article is there. You are taking it on faith that Obama was born here. Logic clearly says no way no how.
Oh...you mean THIS Mike Evans and THAT Neil Abercrombie: Celebrity Journalist: I Never Spoke to Hawaii Gov About Obama Birth Certificate Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/#ixzz1DDprUamC
I had to get a long form from Connecticut last year to renew my license due to enhanced requirements for a driver's license, but I could of gotten a form like the one Hawaii gave President Obama from Hartford instead of going through the Township I was born in. But it would of taken longer because it's Connecticut. Every state seems to have it's birth foibles. It's tedious how long this non- issue has been obsessed over for so long. The biggest problem is this is a Swift Boat/wedge issue thing and some people will never be happy with any proof as it's not about the place of birth, it's about character assassination of the man for political reasons.
What in hell do you know about this nation and its founding? You repeatedly state your misunderstanding in every post you make, Euro-trash. This country used to draw the best because American citizenship meant something and by the second generation, the immigrant's children were American in thinking and in fact. It drew from European stock because Americas values were recognizably Western. With the upheavals of the twentieth century we began attracting peoples of every kind who didn't have roots in western tradition and Central America migrants who have no intention to gain anything but the cheapest, politically-driven pseudo-citizenship; not because they want to be American but because we are foolish enough to give everything away for nothing in return.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
You talk too much, and still say nothing. Every hospital in the US where an American president was born are proud, and openly celebrates and admits these men were born there, most have plaques to comemorate the birth of that president at their hospitals. Before you go into another long winded BS speech about NOTHING, post the name of the hospital where Obama was born, and the attending OB doctor who delivered him.
But it would have taken longer...
He can't. None of the anti constitutionalists can. They have been checkmated for sometime now.
Nothing to do with immigration. The German and the Dutch had established colonies in America before they were British colonies. Louisiana was French before it became a state. Texas was Mexican, etc. These cultures (German, French, Mexican) are just as native to the USA as the Anglo-Saxon culture. These people of those cultures are in fact native to America.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Ask something easy, like his grades, an essay or any friend he went to college with. Hussein Soetoro is virtually a complete media fiction. There is no there there, as G. Stein once observed.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
And they assimilated. The lowlifes drifting in now have no such intention. They ghettoize themselves out of desire. They don't belong here.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
And you read this where? Now it is you who is talking out your forth point of contact in a parachute fall. How many presidents were born in a hospital and how many weren't? How many were born in the United States and how many in the British American colonies? How many were born in the U.S. when the Articles of Confederation were in place, and how many after the U.S. Constitution replaced them?
No it wasn't. It was the country of Texas. Before that it was indian land.
Thanks Fred, you be kewlness dude. ;-D (No...no... don't correct this...I'm teasing, I'm teasing.... ;-D )
Yea so? He lied and had it notarized. Big whoop.
True, New York used to be New Amsterdam, but I know of no German colony. Georgia was originally a penal colony, Florida Spanish, the French of course were England's biggest North American Rival for land, the Russians had the Northwest, Spain the South West.
How many presidents were born in a hospital and how many weren't? How many were born in the United States and how many in the British American colonies? How many were born in the U.S. when the Articles of Confederation were in place, and how many after the U.S. Constitution replaced them"? YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN!! You talk too much, and still say nothing. Every hospital in the US where an American president was born are proud, and openly celebrates and admits these men were born there, most have plaques to comemorate the birth of that president at their hospitals. Before you go into another long winded BS speech about NOTHING, post the name of the hospital where Obama was born, and the attending OB doctor who delivered him.
You do know that Texas fought a war of independence...against MEXICO?
And I asked where you read or saw this fact, and you did not give citation. And I mentioned the people who were not born in the United States because of time period, or were not born in hospitals because no controversy around them was ever gelled like this contrived issue.
If it were a Republican, you'd be screaming like a red-headed step-child. You mind if I post a pic of you off the internet, Willie?
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Read more: Where's monument for Obama's birthplace? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105612#ixzz1DDy4BlWm Looks like less presidents were born in hospitals then I thought, and you are wrong as to how many of the three have a marker commemorating the event there.
Now it is you who is talking out your fourth point of contact in a parachute fall. I went to Airborne School too at Benning. Feet - ass - head...on my first jump.
I never saw anyone go on the warpath over candidate McCain's place of birth being Panama. But if Obama had been born there, there would of been WW III over it.
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#2. To: Rudgear (#1)
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#3. To: Godwinson (#2)
Remember multicultural is about culture not race
#4. To: Godwinson (#2)
The USA has a multicultural model where as long as people observe the constitution (England has no written constitution) they can have any culture they want as long as that culture does not violate constitutional principals.
#5. To: Rudgear (#3)
If you want to be Mexican, German or French you need to got to those countries where the culture is to your liking.
#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)
Obama doesn't obey the constitution. He overthrew it with his so called election. He isn't even a citizen. He needs to go back to Kenya and try out for shoe maker or something.
#7. To: Godwinson (#6)
#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)
#9. To: war (#8)
#10. To: war (#8)
#11. To: A K A Stone, war (#7)
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#12. To: A K A Stone (#9)
#13. To: war (#8)
#14. To: hondo68 (#13)
#15. To: war (#14)
#16. To: Murron (#10)
#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)
#18. To: war (#17)
#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)
#20. To: war (#19)
#21. To: war (#12)
#22. To: Godwinson (#5)
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
"So does mine From Connecticut, but different states have different state laws. Hawaii considers the long form to be private and law there does not permit it being released. It's very likely that even if the AZ law requiring proof of natural birth in the U.S.A. they will have to respect Hawaii law and accept a certificate like in that picture".
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
But it would of taken longer...
#25. To: Murron (#23)
#26. To: Rudgear (#22)
This country used to draw the best because American citizenship meant something and by the second generation, the immigrant's children were American in thinking and in fact.
#27. To: Murron (#23)
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#28. To: Godwinson (#26)
#29. To: Murron (#23)
#30. To: Godwinson (#26)
Texas was Mexican, etc.
#31. To: Fred Mertz (#24)
#32. To: A K A Stone (#20)
#33. To: Godwinson (#26)
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#34. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
"And you read this where? Now it is you who is talking out your forth point of contact in a parachute fall.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#36. To: Murron (#34)
#37. To: war (#32)
#38. To: Murron (#34)
Only three other U.S. presidents have been born in hospitals: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and of them, only one has a marker of any kind honoring the location.
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
Now it is you who is talking out your forth point of contact in a parachute fall.
#40. To: Rudgear (#37)
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