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Title: State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron (Diversity sux)
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BBC
URL Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994
Published: Feb 6, 2011
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2011-02-06 12:09:53 by Hondo68
Keywords: national and local identity, muscular liberalism, deny access to public funds
Views: 66183
Comments: 77
David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism. At a security conference in Munich, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism. He also signalled a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism. The speech angered some Muslim groups, while others queried its timing amid an English Defence League rally in the UK. As Mr Cameron outlined his vision, he suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups which get public money but do little to tackle extremism. Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued. "Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister said. Human rights "Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism? "These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations," he added. The Labour MP for Luton South, Gavin Shuker, asked if it was wise for Mr Cameron to make the speech on the same day the English Defence League staged a major protest in his constituency. There was further criticism from Labour's Sadiq Khan whose comments made in a Daily Mirror article sparked a row. The shadow justice secretary was reported as saying Mr Cameron was "writing propaganda material for the EDL". Conservative Party chairman Baroness Warsi hit back, saying that "to smear the prime minister as a right wing extremist is outrageous and irresponsible". She called on Labour leader Ed Miliband to disown the remarks. Meanwhile, the Muslim Council of Britain's assistant secretary general, Dr Faisal Hanjra, described Mr Cameron's speech as "disappointing". He told Radio 4's Today programme: "We were hoping that with a new government, with a new coalition that there'd be a change in emphasis in terms of counter-terrorism and dealing with the problem at hand. "In terms of the approach to tackling terrorism though it doesn't seem to be particularly new. "Again it just seems the Muslim community is very much in the spotlight, being treated as part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution." In the speech, Mr Cameron drew a clear distinction between Islam the religion and what he described as "Islamist extremism" - a political ideology he said attracted people who feel "rootless" within their own countries. "We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing," he said. The government is currently reviewing its policy to prevent violent extremism, known as Prevent, which is a key part of its wider counter-terrorism strategy. A genuinely liberal country "believes in certain values and actively promotes them", Mr Cameron said. "Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights, regardless of race, sex or sexuality. "It says to its citizens: This is what defines us as a society. To belong here is to believe these things." He said under the "doctrine of state multiculturalism", different cultures have been encouraged to live separate lives. 'I am a Londoner too' "We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values." Building a stronger sense of national and local identity holds "the key to achieving true cohesion" by allowing people to say "I am a Muslim, I am a Hindu, I am a Christian, but I am a Londoner... too", he said. Security minister Baroness Neville-Jones said when Mr Cameron expressed his opposition to extremism, he meant all forms, not just Islamist extremism. "There's a widespread feeling in the country that we're less united behind values than we need to be," she told Today. "There are things the government can do to give a lead and encourage participation in society, including all minorities." But the Islamic Society of Britain's Ajmal Masroor said the prime minister did not appreciate the nature of the problem. "I think he's confusing a couple of issues: national identity and multiculturalism along with extremism are not connected. Extremism comes about as a result of several other factors," he told BBC Radio 5 live. Former home secretary David Blunkett said while it was right the government promoted national identity, it had undermined its own policy by threatening to withdraw citizenship lessons from schools. He accused Education Secretary Michael Gove of threatening to remove the subject from the national curriculum of secondary schools in England at a time "we've never needed it more". "It's time the right hand knew what the far-right hand is doing," he said. "In fact, it's time that the government were able to articulate one policy without immediately undermining it with another."
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
Multiculturalism was never intended to 'work' by those who conceived it. It was always to divide society and ultimately destroy the sense of unity a nation must have if it is to survive.
Multiculturalism in the UK is a product of British imperialism and as long as there was a strong imperial monarchy, all people - no matter their culture were subjects of the crown so it did not matter much. The USA has a multicultural model where as long as people observe the constitution (England has no written constitution) they can have any culture they want as long as that culture does not violate constitutional principals. Therefore in America sects like Hassidic Jews, etc can co-exist because the US govt won't allow those culture's more extreme elements (like denying govt funded seperate sex schools) to function with any officiality. France for example actively tamps down on multicultural trends. Remember multicultural is about culture not race, so France may have Muslims but those Muslims are forced to become secular as are Catholics, and Jews. France's civil culture is that of the revolution's values.
Obama doesn't obey the constitution. He overthrew it with his so called election. He isn't even a citizen. He needs to go back to Kenya and try out for shoe maker or something.
I don't deal in kook talk.
Obama can't produce a birth certificate. Even crissy matthews now admits that. Wanting a president to be a citizen is a legitimate concern. I am a proofer.
My BC list the hospital and OB doctor, I see neither here. What hospital was he born at, and who was the physician that delivered him?
So does mine From Connecticut, but different states have different state laws. Hawaii considers the long form to be private and law there does not permit it being released. It's very likely that even if the AZ law requiring proof of natural birth in the U.S.A. they will have to respect Hawaii law and accept a certificate like in that picture.
You talk too much, and still say nothing. Every hospital in the US where an American president was born are proud, and openly celebrates and admits these men were born there, most have plaques to comemorate the birth of that president at their hospitals. Before you go into another long winded BS speech about NOTHING, post the name of the hospital where Obama was born, and the attending OB doctor who delivered him.
And you read this where? Now it is you who is talking out your forth point of contact in a parachute fall. How many presidents were born in a hospital and how many weren't? How many were born in the United States and how many in the British American colonies? How many were born in the U.S. when the Articles of Confederation were in place, and how many after the U.S. Constitution replaced them?
How many presidents were born in a hospital and how many weren't? How many were born in the United States and how many in the British American colonies? How many were born in the U.S. when the Articles of Confederation were in place, and how many after the U.S. Constitution replaced them"? YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN!! You talk too much, and still say nothing. Every hospital in the US where an American president was born are proud, and openly celebrates and admits these men were born there, most have plaques to comemorate the birth of that president at their hospitals. Before you go into another long winded BS speech about NOTHING, post the name of the hospital where Obama was born, and the attending OB doctor who delivered him.
And I asked where you read or saw this fact, and you did not give citation. And I mentioned the people who were not born in the United States because of time period, or were not born in hospitals because no controversy around them was ever gelled like this contrived issue.
And I mentioned the people who were not born in the United States because of time period, or were not born in hospitals because no controversy around them was ever gelled like this contrived issue. I thought as much, you can't answer the question because you don't know the answer, but you still persist in attempting to divert the focus from Obama onto others. Ignorance and blind obedience is what this administration thrives on, they need you, they count on sheep like you, to never question them on any matter or issue, and you have not let them down. A more worthless, useless waste of skin and air I've yet to come in contact with. Now let's hear the one about where a 'relative' of yours once worked in Hawaii around the time of Obama's birth, and he thought he saw some lady give birth to Obama....
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105612 And I posted this after Googling it. You said there were markers commemorating all the hospitals of the three U.S. Presidents born in hospitals, and this source says only one does.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105612 And I posted this after Googling it. You said there were markers commemorating all the hospitals of the three U.S. Presidents born in hospitals, and this source says only one does. The hospitals where Jimmah Cartah, Slick Willie and Bush Meister were born at all admit these mean were born there, they do not deny this whether they hve a plaque or not, it's a part of their history. But choose a hospital in Hawaii (below), and see which one will take full responsibility for this mans birth...and only since 1961...shouldn't be too hard for a genious such as yourself. Earl Carter, Jr. Born - Wise Hospital, Plains, Sumter County, Ga., George W. Bush was born – Grace-New Haven Community Hospital in Connecticut. Bill Clinton was born – the Julia Chester Hospital in Hope, Ark. ****************************************** What Honolulu, hospital was Obama born? In other words: What Hospital Will Admit Obama Was Born There? The Queen’s Medical Center Kapi’ olani Medical Center Honolulu Shriners Hospital Kuakini Hospital St. Francis Healthcare System Tripler Medical Center Wahiawa General Hospital C. Provincial Hospital, Kenya I don't know
And I'm sure the hospital in Hawaaii where President Obama was born will have simular pride just like the others. ;-)
You're a bare-faced lying gas-bag who can't backup his BS with facts. You've been proven wrong, and there is not a damn thing you can do in your own defence except spout more BS..... There is only one way to prove me wrong, get your facts together and post them~
And you don't comprehend what you read well at all. I don't need to lie or live in denial; he already provided the requisite certificate of live birth. You not dealing well with the facts is your problem. ;-D
You have been given a challenge but you can't seem to deal with it. Unless you have proof of where (hospital) Obama was born, we have nothing more to say on this subject, comprehension and facts is your problem, not mine. I'm sure there are many around you who will swallow the crap you toss their way, but I suspect their IQ's to be room temperature too, and they have zero intelligence for you to insult~
#77. To: Murron (#76)
Only you seem to see the need for insults to fly on the matter. As far as I have cared for a long time the matter is a moot point. President Obama is a native born American, and those with a problem with contrived point of the issue have the problem. But thanks for sharing my dear, I am much amused. And I have nothing more to say to you on the issue.
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#2. To: Rudgear (#1)
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#4. To: Godwinson (#2)
The USA has a multicultural model where as long as people observe the constitution (England has no written constitution) they can have any culture they want as long as that culture does not violate constitutional principals.
#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)
Obama doesn't obey the constitution. He overthrew it with his so called election. He isn't even a citizen. He needs to go back to Kenya and try out for shoe maker or something.
#7. To: Godwinson (#6)
#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)
#10. To: war (#8)
#16. To: Murron (#10)
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
"So does mine From Connecticut, but different states have different state laws. Hawaii considers the long form to be private and law there does not permit it being released. It's very likely that even if the AZ law requiring proof of natural birth in the U.S.A. they will have to respect Hawaii law and accept a certificate like in that picture".
#29. To: Murron (#23)
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
"And you read this where? Now it is you who is talking out your forth point of contact in a parachute fall.
#36. To: Murron (#34)
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
And I asked where you read or saw this fact, and you did not give citation.
#44. To: Murron (#41)
Only three other U.S. presidents have been born in hospitals: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and of them, only one has a marker of any kind honoring the location.
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#44)
Only three other U.S. presidents have been born in hospitals: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and of them, only one has a marker of any kind honoring the location.
#70. To: Murron (#66)
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#70)
And I'm sure the hospital in Hawaaii where President Obama was born will have simular pride just like the others. ;-)
#75. To: Murron (#72)
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#75)
"And you don't comprehend what you read well at all. I don't need to lie or live in denial; he already provided the requisite certificate of live birth. You not dealing well with the facts is your problem". ;-D
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