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Title: State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron (Diversity sux)
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URL Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994
Published: Feb 6, 2011
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2011-02-06 12:09:53 by Hondo68
Keywords: national and local identity, muscular liberalism, deny access to public funds
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David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism. At a security conference in Munich, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism. He also signalled a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism. The speech angered some Muslim groups, while others queried its timing amid an English Defence League rally in the UK. As Mr Cameron outlined his vision, he suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups which get public money but do little to tackle extremism. Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued. "Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister said. Human rights "Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism? "These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations," he added. The Labour MP for Luton South, Gavin Shuker, asked if it was wise for Mr Cameron to make the speech on the same day the English Defence League staged a major protest in his constituency. There was further criticism from Labour's Sadiq Khan whose comments made in a Daily Mirror article sparked a row. The shadow justice secretary was reported as saying Mr Cameron was "writing propaganda material for the EDL". Conservative Party chairman Baroness Warsi hit back, saying that "to smear the prime minister as a right wing extremist is outrageous and irresponsible". She called on Labour leader Ed Miliband to disown the remarks. Meanwhile, the Muslim Council of Britain's assistant secretary general, Dr Faisal Hanjra, described Mr Cameron's speech as "disappointing". He told Radio 4's Today programme: "We were hoping that with a new government, with a new coalition that there'd be a change in emphasis in terms of counter-terrorism and dealing with the problem at hand. "In terms of the approach to tackling terrorism though it doesn't seem to be particularly new. "Again it just seems the Muslim community is very much in the spotlight, being treated as part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution." In the speech, Mr Cameron drew a clear distinction between Islam the religion and what he described as "Islamist extremism" - a political ideology he said attracted people who feel "rootless" within their own countries. "We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing," he said. The government is currently reviewing its policy to prevent violent extremism, known as Prevent, which is a key part of its wider counter-terrorism strategy. A genuinely liberal country "believes in certain values and actively promotes them", Mr Cameron said. "Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights, regardless of race, sex or sexuality. "It says to its citizens: This is what defines us as a society. To belong here is to believe these things." He said under the "doctrine of state multiculturalism", different cultures have been encouraged to live separate lives. 'I am a Londoner too' "We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values." Building a stronger sense of national and local identity holds "the key to achieving true cohesion" by allowing people to say "I am a Muslim, I am a Hindu, I am a Christian, but I am a Londoner... too", he said. Security minister Baroness Neville-Jones said when Mr Cameron expressed his opposition to extremism, he meant all forms, not just Islamist extremism. "There's a widespread feeling in the country that we're less united behind values than we need to be," she told Today. "There are things the government can do to give a lead and encourage participation in society, including all minorities." But the Islamic Society of Britain's Ajmal Masroor said the prime minister did not appreciate the nature of the problem. "I think he's confusing a couple of issues: national identity and multiculturalism along with extremism are not connected. Extremism comes about as a result of several other factors," he told BBC Radio 5 live. Former home secretary David Blunkett said while it was right the government promoted national identity, it had undermined its own policy by threatening to withdraw citizenship lessons from schools. He accused Education Secretary Michael Gove of threatening to remove the subject from the national curriculum of secondary schools in England at a time "we've never needed it more". "It's time the right hand knew what the far-right hand is doing," he said. "In fact, it's time that the government were able to articulate one policy without immediately undermining it with another."
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#34. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
How many presidents were born in a hospital and how many weren't? How many were born in the United States and how many in the British American colonies? How many were born in the U.S. when the Articles of Confederation were in place, and how many after the U.S. Constitution replaced them"? YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN!! You talk too much, and still say nothing. Every hospital in the US where an American president was born are proud, and openly celebrates and admits these men were born there, most have plaques to comemorate the birth of that president at their hospitals. Before you go into another long winded BS speech about NOTHING, post the name of the hospital where Obama was born, and the attending OB doctor who delivered him.
You do know that Texas fought a war of independence...against MEXICO?
And I asked where you read or saw this fact, and you did not give citation. And I mentioned the people who were not born in the United States because of time period, or were not born in hospitals because no controversy around them was ever gelled like this contrived issue.
If it were a Republican, you'd be screaming like a red-headed step-child. You mind if I post a pic of you off the internet, Willie?
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Read more: Where's monument for Obama's birthplace? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105612#ixzz1DDy4BlWm Looks like less presidents were born in hospitals then I thought, and you are wrong as to how many of the three have a marker commemorating the event there.
Now it is you who is talking out your fourth point of contact in a parachute fall. I went to Airborne School too at Benning. Feet - ass - head...on my first jump.
I never saw anyone go on the warpath over candidate McCain's place of birth being Panama. But if Obama had been born there, there would of been WW III over it.
And I mentioned the people who were not born in the United States because of time period, or were not born in hospitals because no controversy around them was ever gelled like this contrived issue. I thought as much, you can't answer the question because you don't know the answer, but you still persist in attempting to divert the focus from Obama onto others. Ignorance and blind obedience is what this administration thrives on, they need you, they count on sheep like you, to never question them on any matter or issue, and you have not let them down. A more worthless, useless waste of skin and air I've yet to come in contact with. Now let's hear the one about where a 'relative' of yours once worked in Hawaii around the time of Obama's birth, and he thought he saw some lady give birth to Obama....
Heh, OK; but really Fred, do betrayals by my spell checker really count? ;-D (Hit the hole pole man.... hit the hole....) I'm sure you remember the chant from tower week.
They still speak German in Pennsylvania. Lousiana was allowed to maintain their French system of govt (parishes) and Mexican culture endured in the South-west. America's only culture is adherence to the constitution and the enlightement and not your nativist nationalism.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105612 And I posted this after Googling it. You said there were markers commemorating all the hospitals of the three U.S. Presidents born in hospitals, and this source says only one does.
If Barry Soetoro had been born in Panama, I'm sure there would be a record of it.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Try offering enlightenment to a congenital dim-bulb like you is pointless.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
In 1682, James Duke of York , the future James II of England,[1] handed over a large piece of his American holdings to William Penn. This land included present-day Pennsylvania and Delaware. Penn immediately sailed to America and his first step on American soil took place in New Castle in 1682.[2] On this occasion, the colonists pledged allegiance to Penn as their new Proprietor, and the first general assembly was held in the colony. Afterwards, Penn journeyed upriver and founded Philadelphia. However, Penn's Quaker government was not viewed favorably by the Dutch, Swedish, and English settlers in what is now today's Delaware. They had no "historical" allegiance to Pennsylvania, so they, almost immediately, began petitioning for their own Assembly. In 1704 they achieved their goal when the three southernmost counties of Pennsylvania, were permitted to split off and become the new semi-autonomous colony of Lower Delaware. As the most prominent, prosperous and influential "city" in the new colony, New Castle became the capital. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn Pennsylvania was settled by many Germans, true, but it was always a British colony.
I'm not talking about some fictional name, I'm talking about Barack Obama.
That 250 foot tower was my most fearful experience. When they tell you to look at Columbus and then releasing the safety line meant that I had to let go of my risers. That memory is still with me...I didn't want to let go of anything 250 feet above the ground...but I did.
The Pennsylvania Dutch...... Also Sweden's New Sweden colonies in the Americas included parts of the present- day American states of Delaware, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. Along with Swedes and Finns, a number of the settlers were Dutch. Some Germans also came to the colony as soldiers in the Swedish army. This notion that the USA was monolithic in its founding is nonsense. They only culture in America is a political culture i.e. to uphold the constitution and civil govt. That's all. England, has a different problem than America because it is a post imperial power that was composed of many autonomous subject peoples.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
No it wasn't. It was the country of Texas. Before that it was indian land. It was Tex-Mex-Spanish with the Texas and Mexican being based on the native peoples.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
About what I expect from the degenerate right wing in America.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
My most fearful experience in Jump School was accidentally deploying my reserve while removing it, and the attached aviator kit bag with the T-10 parachute and pack in it at the turn in truck after running off the drop zone to the screams of "Move like you have a pair" encouragement from the Black Hats after that jump. They even made me beat my boots back at McCarthy hall before jump four the same day because I wasted the time of a 'hard working packer.' Though honestly, I knew many Packers at Bragg in my years there, and I never saw one that I would call a hard worker. I mean, their quota was never that high.
Not to put too fine a point on it, Barry Soetoro is a fictional game. He is a complete media creation. NONE, and I mean NONE of the disclosure expected and OFFERED by past presidents has been offered by the Soetoros. No birth certificate, no college transcripts, no friends from his college years being interviewed; total media blackout. The American people have a right and responsibility to know is is in the Chief Executive's chair. You can hid behind semantics and footwork but the person in the White House is a media-sanctioned fraud. Because fraud is the only way to get the dreams of the left passed.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
(If Stone had gone to jump school, he would of been a hung up jumper out of a thirty-four foot tower, would of always had checked his "can of peas," and his roster number at graduation would of been GTJ69 (guess on the number, but I'm sure how many weeks he would of been recycled.)
Colony as in settlers. The German colonists were not forced to speak English or assimilate before independence nor after. In any case since German colonists existed in enclaves you can't claim German culture was not part of the American landscape before or after independence.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
If you have any legitimate observation to make, spit it out. Otherwise vanish.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Google search turned up articles about Obama and the recollections of his friends from college.... birthers = kooks.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The only kooks are those who bought this clown like the pig in a poke he is. Idiots like you.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
I went by Michael Bond for a few months after my Mom remarried after my Dad died, but I decided to keep my real name. Barack Obama is the name on his birth certificate and that's his legal name, like mine is McCarthy, not one adopted in an ad hoc way from my step dad Allen Bond.
That applies more to conservatives who accepted Bush as president than Obama.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Only in the minds of desperate, flailing liberals like you. Face it, you were played like a violin and sold an uneducated, teleprompter-needing-because-he-has-nothing-to-say fraud. {{{{{snicker}}}}}
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
The sovereignty of the colony was always British, regardless of the origin of settlers. I'm not talking the origin of the colonists in question, I'm talking about the sovereignty of the colony itself. I'm Irish and Puerto Rican in background, but Connecticut and Puerto Rico were American in Sovereignty when I was born.
We'll just have to agree to disagree I see.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Looks like this is indeed the case; so it goes.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105612 And I posted this after Googling it. You said there were markers commemorating all the hospitals of the three U.S. Presidents born in hospitals, and this source says only one does. The hospitals where Jimmah Cartah, Slick Willie and Bush Meister were born at all admit these mean were born there, they do not deny this whether they hve a plaque or not, it's a part of their history. But choose a hospital in Hawaii (below), and see which one will take full responsibility for this mans birth...and only since 1961...shouldn't be too hard for a genious such as yourself. Earl Carter, Jr. Born - Wise Hospital, Plains, Sumter County, Ga., George W. Bush was born – Grace-New Haven Community Hospital in Connecticut. Bill Clinton was born – the Julia Chester Hospital in Hope, Ark. ****************************************** What Honolulu, hospital was Obama born? In other words: What Hospital Will Admit Obama Was Born There? The Queen’s Medical Center Kapi’ olani Medical Center Honolulu Shriners Hospital Kuakini Hospital St. Francis Healthcare System Tripler Medical Center Wahiawa General Hospital C. Provincial Hospital, Kenya I don't know
I am not talking about sovreignty. America has significant German colonists (all German towns, districts) before the revolution and after. America was not an Anglo-Saxon only nation when founded - linguistically nor culturally. In any case our founding fathers wanted to create a new culture - and English was for a brief moment under consideration to be scrapped..... "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I know this, and it would of been better for the Indigenous people had the French won the French and Indian War/Seven Year War as they had a more sit back a trade attitude v. the English's clear everything and remake the land way of doing things. Many wish the The Battle of the Plains of Abraham had seen the the French oust the British at the end of the French's seige and kept 'New France' around instead of seeing Canada come to be. There are a lot of 'what ifs' in American History.
What the F is a birther. I'm a proofer.
And I'm sure the hospital in Hawaaii where President Obama was born will have simular pride just like the others. ;-)
No. You are a denier. Your judgement on authenticity is not required on this issue.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You're a bare-faced lying gas-bag who can't backup his BS with facts. You've been proven wrong, and there is not a damn thing you can do in your own defence except spout more BS..... There is only one way to prove me wrong, get your facts together and post them~
(If Stone had gone to jump school, he would have been a hung up jumper out of a thirty-four foot tower, would have always had checked his "can of peas," I remember my number. Charlie - Naught - Niner - Deuce.
Mine was 200. I went though in the days when we ran in combat boots. ;-)
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#35. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#36. To: Murron (#34)
#37. To: war (#32)
#38. To: Murron (#34)
Only three other U.S. presidents have been born in hospitals: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and of them, only one has a marker of any kind honoring the location.
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
Now it is you who is talking out your forth point of contact in a parachute fall.
#40. To: Rudgear (#37)
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
And I asked where you read or saw this fact, and you did not give citation.
#42. To: Fred Mertz (#39)
#43. To: Rudgear (#28)
And they assimilated.
#44. To: Murron (#41)
Only three other U.S. presidents have been born in hospitals: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and of them, only one has a marker of any kind honoring the location.
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
#46. To: Godwinson (#43)
#47. To: Godwinson (#43)
William Penn (October 14, 1644 – July 30, 1718) was an English real estate entrepreneur, philosopher, and founder and "absolute proprietor" of the Province of Pennsylvania, the English North American colony and the future Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. He was an early champion of democracy and religious freedom, notable for his good relations and successful treaties with the Lenape Indians. Under his direction, the city of Philadelphia was planned and developed.
#48. To: Rudgear (#45)
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#42)
#50. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
but I know of no German colony
#51. To: A K A Stone (#30)
Texas was Mexican, etc.
#52. To: Rudgear (#46)
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
#53. To: Fred Mertz (#49)
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
#55. To: Fred Mertz (#49)
#56. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
Pennsylvania was settled by many Germans, true, but it was always a British colony.
#57. To: Godwinson (#52)
#58. To: Rudgear (#54)
No birth certificate, no college transcripts, no friends from his college years being interviewed;
#59. To: Godwinson (#58)
#60. To: Rudgear (#54)
#61. To: Rudgear (#59)
The only kooks are those who bought this clown like the pig in a poke he is. Idiots like you.
#62. To: Godwinson (#61)
That applies more to conservatives who accepted Bush as president than Obama.
#63. To: Godwinson (#56)
#64. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
#65. To: Rudgear (#64)
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#44)
Only three other U.S. presidents have been born in hospitals: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and of them, only one has a marker of any kind honoring the location.
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#63)
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#68. To: Godwinson (#67)
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#69. To: Godwinson (#58)
#70. To: Murron (#66)
#71. To: A K A Stone (#69)
What the F is a birther. I'm a proofer.
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#70)
And I'm sure the hospital in Hawaaii where President Obama was born will have simular pride just like the others. ;-)
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#55)
(If Stone had gone to jump school, he would of been a hung up jumper out of a thirty-four foot tower, would of always had checked his "can of peas,"
#74. To: Fred Mertz (#73)
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