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Title: State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron (Diversity sux)
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BBC
URL Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994
Published: Feb 6, 2011
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2011-02-06 12:09:53 by Hondo68
Keywords: national and local identity, muscular liberalism, deny access to public funds
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Comments: 77
David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism. At a security conference in Munich, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism. He also signalled a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism. The speech angered some Muslim groups, while others queried its timing amid an English Defence League rally in the UK. As Mr Cameron outlined his vision, he suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups which get public money but do little to tackle extremism. Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued. "Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister said. Human rights "Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism? "These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations," he added. The Labour MP for Luton South, Gavin Shuker, asked if it was wise for Mr Cameron to make the speech on the same day the English Defence League staged a major protest in his constituency. There was further criticism from Labour's Sadiq Khan whose comments made in a Daily Mirror article sparked a row. The shadow justice secretary was reported as saying Mr Cameron was "writing propaganda material for the EDL". Conservative Party chairman Baroness Warsi hit back, saying that "to smear the prime minister as a right wing extremist is outrageous and irresponsible". She called on Labour leader Ed Miliband to disown the remarks. Meanwhile, the Muslim Council of Britain's assistant secretary general, Dr Faisal Hanjra, described Mr Cameron's speech as "disappointing". He told Radio 4's Today programme: "We were hoping that with a new government, with a new coalition that there'd be a change in emphasis in terms of counter-terrorism and dealing with the problem at hand. "In terms of the approach to tackling terrorism though it doesn't seem to be particularly new. "Again it just seems the Muslim community is very much in the spotlight, being treated as part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution." In the speech, Mr Cameron drew a clear distinction between Islam the religion and what he described as "Islamist extremism" - a political ideology he said attracted people who feel "rootless" within their own countries. "We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing," he said. The government is currently reviewing its policy to prevent violent extremism, known as Prevent, which is a key part of its wider counter-terrorism strategy. A genuinely liberal country "believes in certain values and actively promotes them", Mr Cameron said. "Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights, regardless of race, sex or sexuality. "It says to its citizens: This is what defines us as a society. To belong here is to believe these things." He said under the "doctrine of state multiculturalism", different cultures have been encouraged to live separate lives. 'I am a Londoner too' "We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values." Building a stronger sense of national and local identity holds "the key to achieving true cohesion" by allowing people to say "I am a Muslim, I am a Hindu, I am a Christian, but I am a Londoner... too", he said. Security minister Baroness Neville-Jones said when Mr Cameron expressed his opposition to extremism, he meant all forms, not just Islamist extremism. "There's a widespread feeling in the country that we're less united behind values than we need to be," she told Today. "There are things the government can do to give a lead and encourage participation in society, including all minorities." But the Islamic Society of Britain's Ajmal Masroor said the prime minister did not appreciate the nature of the problem. "I think he's confusing a couple of issues: national identity and multiculturalism along with extremism are not connected. Extremism comes about as a result of several other factors," he told BBC Radio 5 live. Former home secretary David Blunkett said while it was right the government promoted national identity, it had undermined its own policy by threatening to withdraw citizenship lessons from schools. He accused Education Secretary Michael Gove of threatening to remove the subject from the national curriculum of secondary schools in England at a time "we've never needed it more". "It's time the right hand knew what the far-right hand is doing," he said. "In fact, it's time that the government were able to articulate one policy without immediately undermining it with another."
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
Multiculturalism was never intended to 'work' by those who conceived it. It was always to divide society and ultimately destroy the sense of unity a nation must have if it is to survive.
Multiculturalism in the UK is a product of British imperialism and as long as there was a strong imperial monarchy, all people - no matter their culture were subjects of the crown so it did not matter much. The USA has a multicultural model where as long as people observe the constitution (England has no written constitution) they can have any culture they want as long as that culture does not violate constitutional principals. Therefore in America sects like Hassidic Jews, etc can co-exist because the US govt won't allow those culture's more extreme elements (like denying govt funded seperate sex schools) to function with any officiality. France for example actively tamps down on multicultural trends. Remember multicultural is about culture not race, so France may have Muslims but those Muslims are forced to become secular as are Catholics, and Jews. France's civil culture is that of the revolution's values.
Obama doesn't obey the constitution. He overthrew it with his so called election. He isn't even a citizen. He needs to go back to Kenya and try out for shoe maker or something.
I don't deal in kook talk.
Obama can't produce a birth certificate. Even crissy matthews now admits that. Wanting a president to be a citizen is a legitimate concern. I am a proofer.
Phony certificates of live birth are easy to find.
Your logic is that because people can get fake stuff Obama's stuff is fake? Does that pass for deep thinking down at the shelter?
Neil related to Mike how he used his power of Governor to scour all the places those records could be and he could not find a long-form hospital-generated birth certificate with the doctor’s signature. There is more evidence also. Tim Adams, a former election clerk “has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.” Continue reading on Examiner.com: Democrat Abercrombie admits birth certificate for Obama does not exist – Pics - National Blogosphere Buzz | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/blogosphere-buzz-in-national/democrat-abercrombie-admits-birth-certificate-for-obama-does-not-exist-pics#ixzz1DDl7U8TK
Who are Neil and Mike? And anyone can swear out anything that they want to swear. and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.” Chuckles...who told him?
Ambercrombie told them. The link to the complete article is there. You are taking it on faith that Obama was born here. Logic clearly says no way no how.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)
Oh...you mean THIS Mike Evans and THAT Neil Abercrombie: Celebrity Journalist: I Never Spoke to Hawaii Gov About Obama Birth Certificate Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/#ixzz1DDprUamC
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#4. To: Godwinson (#2)
The USA has a multicultural model where as long as people observe the constitution (England has no written constitution) they can have any culture they want as long as that culture does not violate constitutional principals.
#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)
Obama doesn't obey the constitution. He overthrew it with his so called election. He isn't even a citizen. He needs to go back to Kenya and try out for shoe maker or something.
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