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Title: Robert Plant & The Band Of Joy "Satan, Your Kingdom Must Come Down"
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Published: Feb 5, 2011
Author: Robert Plant
Post Date: 2011-02-05 15:36:51 by A K A Stone
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#1. To: All (#0)

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-05   15:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Wow!

I've been a Zeppelin fan since the early 70's, but had no idea about this band. I just read about them on wiki.

This second song was much better than the first, imo. I heard shades of Zeppelin in it.

We The People  posted on  2011-02-05   19:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)

Thanks for posting this.

I love all kinds of music. I'm partial to the heavy stuff (Ozzy, Dio, etc). I also love traditional Americana. I like some of the Avant-garde stuff too.

This is really cool. There is a Japanese influence, along with a banjo (the only instrument invented in America), being sung by a Brit! Love it!


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-05   19:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: We The People, Fred Mertz, Murron (#2)

If you go to his website there are a couple of other songs offered for free listening that have "shades of zeppelin" in them.

He is coming to Louisville April 5 or 6th I think. I might go see him

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-05   22:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: We The People (#2) (Edited)

I've been a Zeppelin fan since the early 70's, but had no idea about this band. I just read about them on wiki.

Kind of shows you the awful state of radio, music companies that the front man of Led Zep has an acclaimed new group but even long time fans don't know it unless they actively run across it.

It seems in the age of the Internet some information gets lost? You can also blame the music companies for a poor business model and the fact that radio has been taken over by a handful of corporations so there are few independent radio stations in big markets that can bring new trends forward.

This does sound a lot like the Led Zep unplugged sessions. It seems Plant really fell for that unplugged sound and played with it since then and this new effort is the result.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-05   23:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Godwinson (#5)

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-05   23:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: We The People (#2)

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-05   23:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Godwinson (#5)

Kind of shows you the awful state of radio, music companies that the front man of Led Zep has an acclaimed new group but even long time fans don't know it unless they actively run across it.

It seems in the age of the Internet some information gets lost? You can also blame the music companies for a poor business model and the fact that radio has been taken over by a handful of corporations so there are few independent radio stations in big markets that can bring new trends forward.

Wrong again. The music companies are providing what their customer base wants,hip hop/rap crap. Most music buyers are under 30,and that is the crap the under 30 buyers listen to. People with genuine musical talent are out there producing good music every day,but you have to search them out because they aren't being pushed.

There are a few like Lady GaGa that does have amazing talent,but even she has to have a gimmick to sell records. Her self-promotion talents match her musical talents,or nobody would have ever heard of her,either. Even then I have no doubt a lot of her fan appeal is based more on her costumes than on her musical ability.

Here are two female singers that are perfect examples of what I am talking about. I say "female" instead of "women" because the first one was only 14 years old when this video was recorded. How a 14 year old can look like that and put that kind of emotion into a torch song is a total mystery to me,but there it is for all to see and hear.

How freaking scary was THAT?

The second one is a young woman who is in her mid-20's.

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-06   8:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#8)

Thanks for posting these sneakypete. Damn, you have a good ear for this music. I actually would rather piss on a spark plug than listen to metal music. I'm not knocking it, to each their own; but it harshes my mellow way way too much.

Take a listen to how this Dread locked lovely who went from being a Subway busker who at best worked small bars with her bass player to nearly winning American Idol and getting a record contract did Frank Sinatra's Summer Wind. Tell me what you think. I love it, though this 25 year old child of the 21st Century seemed to miss Frank's touch of sadness to it.

I was pleased though she could do this music so well, she was way out of her comfort zone.

Studio version:

Live, shorter contest preformance on American Idol:

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   12:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete, Ferret Mike (#8)

Wrong again. The music companies are providing what their customer base wants,hip hop/rap crap. Most music buyers are under 30,and that is the crap the under 30 buyers listen to. People with genuine musical talent are out there producing good music every day,but you have to search them out because they aren't being pushed.

Are you defending the big music companies and the big radio owning companies for just supplying what the market wants?

Well, then thanks for admitting the free market is stupid and does not work.

At least in the late 60s and 70s you still had independent radio stations or radio stations that allowed disk jockeys to program their own music based on their own tastes.

Most music buyers by the way are not under 30 - they are not buying music anymore the younger yiu get thansk to the internet file sharing.

Most musicians make their music in live performances now anyways.

I have not listened to the radio - outside of news radio to get the weather - in years. When I do listen to the radio the rock stations only play the classics which I have heard a million times.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-06   14:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Godwinson (#10)

I agree that they should let the disc jockeys pick what they want to play. Fuck clearchannel.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-06   14:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#11) (Edited)

I agree that they should let the disc jockeys pick what they want to play. Fuck clearchannel.

Well satellite radio does have celebrity disk jockeys where the celebrities pick their own music.

It does seem that the FM radio early days from what I read were sort of unique and inspired the "WKRP in Cincinnati" tv show.

Nowadays, WKRP would be owned by Clearchannel or another conglomerate and not an individual.

Also, to give some TV history, Star Trek only became a huge show in syndication because an independent UHF television station bought the syndication rights for cheap and ran the show in creative ways and that made it into a cult show in the 70s and then a huge cultural phenomenon.

If that independent TV outlet did not exist and if almost all TV stations were owned by big corporations they would have buried Star Trek because it was a failure when it first aired on network TV.

That's why I advocate that no company can own more than one FM, one AM, one TV and one newspaper in any given market - even in the age of the internet.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-06   14:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Godwinson (#12)

Hey I liked WKRP and still love Star Trek. The original series especially. Didn't care for Voyager. I mean a woman captain come on.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-06   14:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Godwinson (#10) (Edited)

Are you talking to me? I hate the radio, and find music stations tedious.

I got into Crystal by accident going over to one of those friends we all know who think it's OK to leave the TV on with guests over. It was the first time I'd seen the show, find it incredibly boring, but liked her and Siobhan Magnus who was eliminated before Bowersox. I found Crystal not of AI mold and love her original stuff, her subway busker roots. I find her voice very enticing.

I listen to live music and used to follow the Grateful Dead around the country for a good part of quite a few years. The music industry is bullshit,

I like people who are not mainstream. Here is one I really like, it's a real modern American Anthem:

James McMurtry "We Can't Make Here" Anymore

I saw him this Winter here in Eugene, he was awesome. Listen to it Godwinson, you'll love it, he is a nationwide cult classic.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   14:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)

I was not commenting on Star Trek per say just that the current pro corporation policy in America as it comes to media may be hurting the culture.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-06   14:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Godwinson (#15)

--

James McMurtry - Levelland

His Dad is a conservative, wrote the western series, 'Lonesome Dove,' talk about father and son being made of different molds. He is generally based in Austin, TX when not touring.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   14:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Godwinson (#15) (Edited)

--

Pre-American Idol Mamasox at the Village Idiot Tavern in Ohio with her bassist Frankie May doing Janus Joplin's standard, 'Piece of my heart.'

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   14:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

This is a Led Zeppelin Robert Plant thread. You are cluttering it up with an American Idol wannabe.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-06   14:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Godwinson, A K A Stone (#15) (Edited)

--

A metal influenced group I do real love.

Rage Against The Machine - Killing In The Name - 1993

Rage Against The Machine - Wake Up

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   14:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Well, I looked at this in another browser as it is your thread Stonie, and I have to to see you as you are on bozo. I was responding to Pete's post, then to Godwinson's posts.

Threads, especially music threads often take on a life of their own. I have you on bozo because of your childish and boorish graffiti of that article posting I did the other day.

I sure don't mind showing consideration which is better do with someone not on bozo, but I don't want to see your posts because you are childish, tamper tantrum prone and you ask consideration from me you don't reciprocate.

I did not insult your little Death Valley Days TV show moderator, Stone, yet you had to act like I did. You are on bozo until whenever.

But I will get off your has been rock dinosaur thread. As I sure don't want to make work for your wife by making you soil your nappies over what I post.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   15:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Godwinson (#5) (Edited)

The music companies are on their last legs. They don't have anywhere near the control they had a couple of decades ago. Technology has passed them by.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-06   15:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#20)

Stone, yet you had to act like I did. You are on bozo until whenever.

Bozoing the moderator is a no no.

I delete people who do that. Er Big Gun does.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-06   15:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ferret Mike (#20)

I was responding to Pete's post, then to Godwinson's posts.

No big deal on your posts Mike.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-06   15:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#0)

"Bozoing the moderator is a no no."

I don't. I bozoed you. I can pick up any of your scant attempts at moderation by accessing another browser and skimming quickly for you doing that function.

Unlike you Stone, I know how to comport myself in a forum.

Let us go back to your graffiti-ing of those two threads the other day - one of which was mine.

You have a forum here with the operational modes of freedom of speech, unless you mis-interpret something, or don't like something and on top of that, you are capable of doing anything in response including changing returning bannee account names into highly disgusting and obscene verbiage.

I pay attention, Stone, and my memory of your antics is clear. And what you do tells me not to pander to you and to not pull punches in my criticism.

You are not a focused, consistent moderator. Believe it or not, I had no trouble not molesting posts I thought disgusting at DU when I was a volunteer mod there, because I learned how to follow guidelines while in the U.S. Army.

I could do it here by your standards, or at Free Republic by their standards.

A moderator is supposed to figure out what is allowable before they moderate and avoid how emotions of the moment move the bar. Being moderator is not just doing what the hell you want to do.

I have been called a pro Israel hack for leaving posts I disagreed with and removing those I liked at DU for example by posters who took umbrage to what I did.

It is a job. If a moderator has feedback on standards, that is something altogether different than moderating. That is done later and if you are overruled, so it goes.

Seriously you should moderate for someone else just to give you experience that will help you not be so inconsistent and governed by your emotions when you do this job. Just a fact, nothing personal in this.

And I don't put on airs here, I just have experience. I know people with more experience than I who do a better job than I do because they have a natural talent for this.

I am temperamental by nature just like you are, and I had to grow up and learn to count to ten and control myself before I act so I would do the job right.

You can easily be a very decent moderator, you have the potential, but you don't want to work on doing a better job, and your ego sometimes keeps you from being open, or learning.

Just take what I say as food for thought and get feedback like I just gave from other people. People are always willing to help you Stone. You just have to swallow your pride - as I learned to do doing this - and to make learning more important than posturing or feeding the ego. OK, I'm off the damn soap box.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   16:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#24)

I pay attention, Stone,

Then pay attention to this. Bozoing me is a deletable offense.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-06   16:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Godwinson (#10)

Are you defending the big music companies and the big radio owning companies for just supplying what the market wants?

Uhhhhhh,yeah. Ain't providing your customer base the function of a successful business? I realize that doesn't jib with your socialist reality where the government dictates what the people want and should be allowed to buy,but it's the way things are and should be.

Well, then thanks for admitting the free market is stupid and does not work.

Thank YOU for admitting you are incapable as understanding something this basic. Which,of course,is why you hate free markets. The idea of people running around free to make up their own minds scares the hell out of you.

At least in the late 60s and 70s you still had independent radio stations or radio stations that allowed disk jockeys to program their own music based on their own tastes.

Did you grow up in some kind of "home"? Or possibly some sort of commune or socialist country? You HAVE to be divorced from reality to think station owners allowed DJ's to play whatever they want.

Most music buyers by the way are not under 30 - they are not buying music anymore the younger yiu get thansk to the internet file sharing.

Really? So you think it is people over 30 buying shit by people like Piddly Diddly,fiddy cent,and the other losers that dominate the air waves?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-06   19:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

I love it, though this 25 year old child of the 21st Century seemed to miss Frank's touch of sadness to it.

I have never understood the whole Sinatra thing so many people have. As far am I am concerned,his voice approached adequate at times,and that's it. Nothing special.

IMHO,her version was much better.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-06   19:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#26)

--

Louis Armstrong - Danny Kaye

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   19:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#11)

I agree that they should let the disc jockeys pick what they want to play. Fuck clearchannel.

You don't think the station owners have a right to tell the DJ's what to play?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-06   19:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#16) (Edited)

His Dad is a conservative, wrote the western series, 'Lonesome Dove,'

One of the best series to ever play on tv. If you haven't seen it,I can't recommend it too highly.

BTW,his father being rich gave him the luxury of growing up to be a socialist twit. Wealth insulates you from reality.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-06   19:25:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#26) (Edited)

The idea of people running around free to make up their own minds scares the hell out of you.

No. The free market also produces mediocrity which you yourself stated was the reason music sucked these days. Anyways, our founding fathers did not trust the masses hence we are a representative republic not a direct democracy.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-06   19:26:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ferret Mike (#28)

If you like Louis Armstrong,do yourself a favor and buy the CD "Louis Armstrong plays the music of W.C.Handy. Blues Duke turned me on to this one a couple of years ago,and it is now one of my favorite CD's and it now lives in the CD player out in my workshop. I like to be a happy worker.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-06   19:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#29)

The key word in my statement was "let".

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-02-06   19:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Godwinson (#31)

The free market also produces mediocrity

So what? It also produces genius.

which you yourself stated was the reason music sucked these days.

Ok,so what is your solution?

Anyways, our founding fathers did not trust the masses hence we are a representative republic not a direct democracy.

ROFLMAO! You scream for socialist,yet dump on the "masses".

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-06   19:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#30)

Well, one thing I will say for James McMurtry; his Dad said he'd pay for College if he had a say in the classes his son took. James worked as a Waiter, cleaning and many lowly jobs to earn his own money for school to keep his autonomy.

I wouldn't be too quick to write of him as a slacker. He's very bright and fiercely independent like his dad is. (His Dad is proud of his success with writing and playing music too I might add. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   19:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#32)

Thanks for the tip, I'll seek this out. I admire him greatly and can't get enough of his music.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-02-06   19:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike (#36)

Thanks for the tip, I'll seek this out. I admire him greatly and can't get enough of his music.

You're gonna like this one. I'd be willing to bet money on it,and I don't gamble.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-06   19:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#34)

Ok,so what is your solution?

No entity can own more than one AM and one FM radio station, one TV and newspaper in any given market.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-06   20:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Godwinson (#38)

Ok,so what is your solution?

No entity can own more than one AM and one FM radio station, one TV and newspaper in any given market.

That works for me,but it will have the Tan Klan and the La Raza crowd screaming bloody murder. IIRC,the way it is set up now they are guaranteed 13 radio or tv stations due to skin color,and if they don't have enough money to buy them,the government will give them the money to buy them with as a grant.

Of course,they aren't all in one market. What sense does it make to compete with yourself?

That's how a black minister ended up owning a ABC affiliate and several radio stations in the Norfolk,Va,area. One radio station,a classic rock station that was the most popular radio station in the area was turned into "the black spot on yore dial" by switching to a "urban" format and firing ALL the white station employees except for the janitor and replacing them with people who barely spoke English. The Rev-Rund/Bishop even took out a two page spread in the local paper to publish photographs (no mug shots,though) of all his new employees.

All the white DJ's and other station employees ended up finding jobs on other local stations. Some had been at that station for over 20 years before being fired for having white skin.

The same Rev-Rund/Bishop also ended up owning his own bank,thanks to federal grant money to promote minority biznez. In less than two years it was closed down because bank regulators couldn't find over 6 million dollars in customer deposits,and nobody was even charged with a crime. The federal government paid off all the depositors who had lost their money,so they had nothing to complain about.

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-07   4:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#39)

That works for me,but it will have the Tan Klan and the La Raza crowd screaming bloody murder. IIRC,the way it is set up now they are guaranteed 13 radio or tv stations due to skin color,and if they don't have enough money to buy them,the government will give them the money to buy them with as a grant.

Man, I try and have a legit conversation with you and you bring it back to some kooky racist conspiracy. Lesson learned.

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Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-07   9:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Godwinson (#40)

Man, I try and have a legit conversation with you and you bring it back to some kooky racist conspiracy. Lesson learned.

The FACT that you still "think" that is some sort of conspiracy theory is proof you are incapable of learning anything.

It IS racist,though. It's racist because it is against federal law for a white man to own that many radio or tv stations,and because whites don't qualify for those special "minority loans" or grants.

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-07   12:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: sneakypete (#41)

The FACT that you still "think" that is some sort of conspiracy theory is proof you are incapable of learning anything.

It IS racist,though. It's racist because it is against federal law for a white man to own that many radio or tv stations,and because whites don't qualify for those special "minority loans" or grants.

What are you nuts? The "white man" owned radio conglomerates own most of the radio stations including the spanish ones (including even the largest Spanish language television).

This idea that minorities are owning multiple radio stations but white's can't is kook-burgers nutso.

http://www.radiosurvivor.com/2010/05/27/fcc-ponders-the-future-of-radio-consolidation/

“a person or entity may own, operate, or control: (1) up to eight commercial radio stations, not more than five of which are in the same service (i.e., AM or FM), in a radio market with 45 or more radio stations; (2) up to seven commercial radio stations, not more than four of which are in the same service, in a radio market with between 30 and 44 (inclusive) radio stations; (3) up to six commercial radio stations, not more than four of which are in the same service, in a radio market with between 15 and 29 (inclusive) radio stations; and (4) up to five commercial radio stations, not more than three of which are in the same service, in a radio market with 14 or fewer radio stations, except that an entity may not own, operate, or control more than 50 percent of the stations in such a market unless the combination of stations comprises not more than one AM and one FM station.”

There’s also the radio/television cross ownership rule, which allows a person or entity

“to own up to two television stations (to the extent permitted under the local television ownership rule) and up to six radio stations (to the extent permitted under the local radio ownership rule) in a market where at least 20 independently owned media voices would remain post-merger. In markets where parties may own a combination of two television stations and six radio stations, the rule allows a party alternatively to own one television station and seven radio stations. A party may own up to two television stations (where permitted under the current local television ownership rule) and up to four radio stations (where permitted under the local radio ownership rule) in markets where, post-merger, at least 10 independently owned media voices would remain. The rule allows a combination of two television stations (where permitted under the local television ownership rule) and one radio station regardless of the number of voices remaining in the market.”

Since Congress established the radio rule in 1996 and the FCC set up the TV/radio rule three years later, empires have risen and, it appears, are poised to fall. These rules greatly relaxed previous ownership limits. Indeed, once upon a time, the agency limited national broadcast media ownership to the “7-7-783; rule: seven FM, seven AM, seven TV stations. Thus, Clear Channel famously gobbled over over 1,200 stations, automated many of them, then over leveraged itself to the point of collapse. Ditto for Citadel and much of the rest of the industry.

In 1996, there were 10,257 commercial radio stations with 5,133 owners, the FCC notes. Today, there are less commercial stations and 39% less owners: 11,202 and 3,143, respectively. Advertising revenue for radio has fallen by almost 11 percent between 2006 and 2008. And between 2008 and 2009, revenue for radio fell by about 22%.

“In contrast, total Internet advertising revenues rose: 25% between 2006 and 2008, but dropped 5% between 2008 and 2009,” the Commission adds.

So do we still need radio ownership limits? The FCC wants to know:

“Are the current numerical limits appropriate to achieve the goals of the local radio ownership rule? The local radio ownership rule currently distinguishes between AM and FM services. Does it continue to make sense to have sub-caps for the two services? Have recent technological advances eliminated the need for this aspect of the rule? What part should low-power FM stations play in the rule? Should we account for other sources of audio programming in applying the rule? Should the degree of consolidation of other media in the local market be a factor in the rule, or should we continue to count only the number of radio stations in a market in applying the rule? Should this rule take account of market share?”

If you want to help the FCC with these questions, you can post a comment here. We’d be interested in your thoughts as well, either via a comment below, or send us an e-mail. The Commission also has a lot of questions about localism, which we’ll consider in a later post.

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Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-07   12:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Godwinson (#42)

What are you nuts? The "white man" owned radio conglomerates own most of the radio stations including the spanish ones (including even the largest Spanish language television).

What is the surname of that white man?

This idea that minorities are owning multiple radio stations but white's can't is kook-burgers nutso.

Your mama dropped you on your head a lot when you were a baby,didn't she?

WHERE did I ever say that whites can't own multiple radio stations?

I am going to type slowly so that MAYBE it won't zoom right over your head,but there is a difference between not being legally able to own as many radio and tv stations as blacks is NOT the same thing as not being able to own more than one. Think on that one for a couple of months,and then get back to me on it.

What you quote is very nice,but since I see NO mention of minority-owned regulations,you were either cherry-picking or just didn't research rules on minority ownership.

Not to say that whites don't get around these rules by buying stations in the names of their wives or daughters. I personally know of two white guys that got minority grants and special tax breaks along with no-bid government contracts for starting a plumbing business in one case and a hardware store in another case in their wife's or sister's name.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-07   12:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: sneakypete (#43)

I am sorry - you are writing in English but I don't speak this kook dialect. Sorry.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-02-07   14:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Godwinson (#44)

I am sorry - you are writing in English but I don't speak this kook dialect. Sorry.

I know you don't understand,and agree that you are about as sorry as it's possible to be and still have a pulse.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-02-07   19:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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