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Title: Barack Obama’s Egypt Failure: He’s Becoming Carter Faster Than Carter Became Carter
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/ ... ter-than-carter-became-carter/
Published: Feb 4, 2011
Author: Erik Erickson
Post Date: 2011-02-04 13:52:58 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 11837
Comments: 26

Barack Obama’s failure in Egypt has nothing to do with Egypt itself descending to chaos. No American administration has been willing to call Hosni Mubarak a dictator, which he is. And no administration has sought to strong arm Mubarak into a succession plan devoid of kleptocratic relatives.

We cannot blame Barack Obama for Egypt collapsing in on itself.

We can however blame Barack Obama for failing to mitigate and control the impact of the collapse.

Like when a demolition team sets about bringing down a crumbling building — and we now know Obama collaborated to help bring down Egypt — the demolition team must make sure the building, as it implodes, does not throw debris and carnage all over the place. If that happens, the demolition team is liable.

Barack Obama is liable, given this:

The Obama administration said for the first time that it supports a role for groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, a banned Islamist organization, in a reformed Egyptian government.

The organization must reject violence and recognize democratic goals if the U.S. is to be comfortable with it taking part in the government, the White House said.

Note that by saying the Muslim Brotherhood “must reject violence and recognize democratic goals”, the White House is presupposing that the Muslim Brotherhood accepts violence and does not recognize democratic goals.

Notwithstanding that, the White House is perfectly happy to give them a seat at the table.

It’s 1979 all over again. I hope the Embassy has been fully evacuated.

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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Note that by saying the Muslim Brotherhood “must reject violence and recognize democratic goals”, the White House is presupposing that the Muslim Brotherhood accepts violence and does not recognize democratic goals.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc...

war  posted on  2011-02-04   14:05:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: war (#2)

Since it is well known that the Brotherhood does accept violence and only accepts the "democratic" goals of Sharia law, calilphates and the murder of Juze, it is hardly a leap of logic on the author's part.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-02-04   14:14:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#3)

It's not well known. The Muslim Brotherhood has consistently eschewed violence and either disavows or severs ties with people or organizations which do.

And it's kind of disingenious for an article to point out the heavy handed tactics of Mubarak when a good portion of that was directed at the membership of the MB.

war  posted on  2011-02-04   14:27:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#4)

The Muslim Brotherhood has consistently eschewed violence

Stop being such a useful idiot

Fear the Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/258419/fear-muslim-brotherhood-andrew-c-mccarthy

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-02-04   14:32:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: no gnu taxes (#5) (Edited)

Oh please Paddy.

There are any number of working papers under taken by serious people who are schooled in geo-politics that correctly characterize the goals of the organization. You offer up pap from a journalist with a political bias engaging in advocacy as "proof". ROFLMAO.

Egypt is a Moslem country in a sphere where religion plays an impiortant role in and out of government. It's the PINNACLE OF IDIOCY to believe that a political organization in that region wouldn't have religion at the center of its philosophy. The support for the existence of the State if Israel is based upon religion.

For a more proximic example and one you can relate to, look no further than the GOP.

war  posted on  2011-02-04   14:43:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#6)

You offer up pap

It wasn't pap. The history and nature of the brotherhood is fully documented.

There are any number of working papers under taken by serious people

I guess by serious you mean fellow socialist haters of Juze.

The support for the existence of the State if Israel is based upon religion.

Their is a religious context to it, but the support is based on they have a lawful right to the land

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-02-04   14:50:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: no gnu taxes (#7) (Edited)

It wasn't pap. The history and nature of the brotherhood is fully documented.

As an organization that became centrist and advocates democratic government, civil rights and political freedom.

I guess by serious you mean fellow socialist haters of Juze.

As usual for you, it was a stupid guess.

Their [sic] is a religious context to it, but the support is based on they have a lawful right to the land

Exactly what law is that, Paddy?

war  posted on  2011-02-04   14:55:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: war (#8)

By what law does the US have a right to its land?

By what law does Canada have a right to its land?

By what law does France have a right to its land?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-02-04   15:01:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: no gnu taxes (#9) (Edited)

By what law does the US have a right to its land?

The US won the east coast in a war with England, bought most of the midwest portion of it and then fought, bought or negotiated for more.

Israel was formed via a UN survey.

war  posted on  2011-02-04   15:05:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#10)

Israel was formed via a UN survey.

They already owned the land before -- bought when it was a malaria infested swamp which they transformed.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-02-04   15:14:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: no gnu taxes (#11)

They already owned the land before

BULLSHIT.

war  posted on  2011-02-04   15:20:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#12)

"The arab charge that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when purchased...there was at the time at least of earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land. Jews paid more than $20 million at 1936 rates) to arab landowners, mostly estate holders."

"In 1944, Jews paid between $1000 and $1100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semi-arid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre (U.S. Dept. of Agriculture)"

--Land Ownership in Palestine, 1880-1948

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-02-04   15:21:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: no gnu taxes (#13) (Edited)

White Paper of 1939:

Section III. Land: The Reports of several expert Commissions have indicated that, owing to the natural growth of the Arab population and the steady sale in recent years of Arab land to Jews, there is now in certain areas no room for further transfers of Arab land, whilst in some other areas such transfers of land must be restricted if Arab cultivators are to maintain their existing standard of life and a considerable landless Arab population is not soon to be created. In these circumstances, the High Commissioner will be given general powers to prohibit and regulate transfers of land.'

The White Paper was passed in the House of Commons by 268 to 179 in favour.

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The reason that the land was "expensive" Paddy is because Jews were forbidden to buy it.

war  posted on  2011-02-04   15:29:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#19. To: war (#16)

The Arabs were the rightful owners of the land before the transfers (even the British acknowledge this). It's laughable you think the British had any real "right" to prevent such sales.

Furthermore, these Arab settlers spoken of were actually migrant farm workers from other countries hired by the Jews to work on the crops after Israel had developed the land. They and their offspring became squatters. These are the actual "palestinians."

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