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Title: Iceland did it the Right Way
Source: Newsvine
URL Source: http://truthlover.newsvine.com/_new ... -harmful-unless-you-were-a-wea
Published: Feb 3, 2011
Author: Bloomberg.com
Post Date: 2011-02-03 21:09:23 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 13158
Comments: 40

Iceland did not bail out the banks or the bank investors and its economy is thriving, proving that the the US-Irish model of bailing out the banks with taxpayer money was harmful unless you were a wealthy bank investor

On his second day as head of Iceland's third-largest bank, Arni Tomasson faced a crisis: The bank was out of cash. "Everybody was panicked -- depositors, creditors, banks around the world."

Unlike other nations, including the U.S. and Ireland, which injected billions of dollars of capital into their financial institutions to keep them afloat, Iceland placed its biggest lenders in receivership. It chose not to protect creditors of the country's banks, whose assets had ballooned to $209 billion, 11 times gross domestic product.With the economy projected to grow 3 percent this year, Iceland's decision to let the banks fail is looking smart -- and may prove to be a model for others.

Three banks had become the largest companies in Iceland, creating thousands of well-paid positions and controlling the top trade associations, says Oddsson, who oversaw the privatization of Iceland's state-owned lenders as prime minister. Their headquarters were the largest buildings in Reykjavik, dwarfing the parliament.

"Nobody wanted to listen when the party was on," says Oddsson, 63, now editor of Morgunbladid, one of the largest dailies in the country, with a circulation of about 50,000.

It was Oddsson's decision not to build up the central bank's foreign currency reserves from 2005 to 2008 that made a bailout impossible.

"They were collecting debt in such a fast pace, it would be stupid for us to build a mountain they could lean on if they failed," Oddsson says. "The creditors that were lending to the banks recklessly had to face the losses."

"Iceland did the right thing by making sure its payment systems continued to function while creditors, not the taxpayers, shouldered the losses of banks," says Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz, an economics professor at Columbia University in New York.

Van der Knaap, who has advised Iceland's bank resolution committees:. "Even Irish banks aren't too big to fail."

Today, Iceland is recovering. The three new banks had combined profit of $309 million in the first nine months of 2010. GDP grew for the first time in two years in the third quarter, by 1.2 percent, inflation is down to 1.8 percent and the cost of insuring government debt has tumbled 80 percent. Stores in Reykjavik were filled with Christmas shoppers in early December, and bank branches were crowded with customers.

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#2. To: All (#0) (Edited)

Japan refused to let it's banks fail in the early 90s (even though the Clinton administration urged them to do so). They have been in 20 year rolling recession.

The U.S. didn't let it's banks fail two years ago. Now we're stuck in a jobless "recovery".

There is an important lesson to be learned here. If something goes wrong -- don't allow the government to prolong the pain. Let the market fix it immediately and quickly.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-03   21:14:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#2)

There is an important lesson to be learned here. If something goes wrong -- don't allow the government to prolong the pain. Let the market fix it immediately and quickly

Agreed. The same goes for raising the debt cieling. Leave it stay as-is, and let the goobermint default.

It'll suck for all the goobermint parasites and welfare families for a while, but we'll get through it. If they DON'T default, and continue to print money...? We'll ALL suffer for a VERY long time.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-02-03   22:31:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Capitalist Eric (#4) (Edited)

The same goes for raising the debt cieling. Leave it stay as-is, and let the goobermint default.

The government doesn't have to default.

If the government doesn't raise the debt ceiling, they can only spend what they take in. That about $2 trillion. The entire federal budget was $2 trillion in 2002.

We only have to cut back to 2002 spending levels to stop borrowing.

Yes, we'll have to prioritize paying interest on the debt, so we don't default

This is quite doable.

Do you think we'll do it??? No way.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-03   23:01:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jwpegler (#5)

If the government doesn't raise the debt ceiling, they can only spend what they take in. That about $2 trillion. The entire federal budget was $2 trillion in 2002.

We only have to cut back to 2002 spending levels to stop borrowing.

Only if we assume no negative economic impact as a result of a $1.4 trillion spending cut in one year.

I can sell you some real estate on Mars if you don't think that sort of cut wouldn't kick of a 1930's style depression.

go65  posted on  2011-02-03   23:59:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#6)

Only if we assume no negative economic impact as a result of a $1.4 trillion spending cut in one year.

Cutting 1.4 trillion in spending along with radical tax simplification would make America the best place to invest and create jobs in the world.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-04   0:48:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jwpegler (#8)

Cutting 1.4 trillion in spending along with radical tax simplification would make America the best place to invest and create jobs in the world.

Only if you set up some sort of extermination facilities for the millions of new unemployed as a result of another economic crash.

One can look at recent history and see how countries that implemented austerity saw no decrease in deficits. One can look at how cutting spending in 1937 triggered an economic decline. Or one can simply cling to fantasies with no basis in reality.

go65  posted on  2011-02-04   8:39:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: go65 (#11)

One can look at recent history and see how countries that implemented austerity saw no decrease in deficits.

One can look at how cutting spending in 1937 triggered an economic decline.

Those countries do get anti-austerity riots.

Along with economic decline came an interest in Communism. FDR's "Socialist" programs saved Capitalism.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-02-04   11:17:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#12)

Along with economic decline came an interest in Communism. FDR's "Socialist" programs saved Capitalism.

No country ever cut its way to prosperity, but yet even the most die-hard Conservative argues that WWII was an economic catalyst for the country.

go65  posted on  2011-02-04   11:47:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#13) (Edited)

even the most die-hard Conservative argues that WWII was an economic catalyst for the country... No country ever cut its way to prosperity

Untrue. The economic catalyst was Truman's refusal after the war to listen to nutty Keynesians who wanted to keep the war economy in tact, by building tanks and parking them in the desert.

Truman told the Keynesian kooks to take a hike. He cut spending from 52% of GDP in 1945 to 20% in 1948. The economy boomed.

Truman saved capitalism, not Roosevelt. The big spending programs of Hoover and Roosevelt took what should have been another steep, but short economic downturn, and turned it into a 15 year long Great Depression. The economy was worse at the end of the 1930s that it was when Roosevelt took office.

We're seeing the same thing today with Obama's wasteful stimulus, healthcare nightmare, and destructive environmental regulations.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-05   12:38:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All, Capitalist eric, go65 (#14)

Ping

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-05   12:39:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: jwpegler (#15)

Honestly, I don't understand why you attempt to debate with go56.

He's a nanny-state shill, nothing more... Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if he were on the government payroll, either as a propagandist on the boards, or simply another government worker-bee (parasite).

Why bother?

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-02-05   16:04:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#22) (Edited)

Honestly, I don't understand why you attempt to debate with go56.

He's a nanny-state shill, nothing more...

go65 does not toe the leftist line 100% of the time. Unlike Godwinson, he can benefit from seeing the facts.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-05   19:01:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#25. To: jwpegler (#23)

go65 does not toe the leftist line 100% of the time. Unlike Godwinson, he can benefit from seeing the facts.

Like GDP dropping when you claim the economy boomed.

go65  posted on  2011-02-05 23:20:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: jwpegler (#23)

Unlike Godwinson, he can benefit from seeing the facts.

I don't see it.

Frankly, he seems impervious to reality.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-02-06 08:27:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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