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Title: NPR: The Last Bastion of Global Warming
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/77287.html
Published: Feb 3, 2011
Author: Laurence Vance
Post Date: 2011-02-03 08:59:31 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 9686
Comments: 21

I am listening to story after story on NPR about how bad the winter weather is this year. But in between I hear some guy interviewed about global warming and what a problem it is. And he didn’t say climate change, he said global warming. I think that anyone currently in an insane asylum should be let out immediately and replaced with anyone who still believes in global warming.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Why are you listening to NPR instead of fox news?

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1. ENVIRONMENT/TODAY: Global Warming Causing More Snow? Come Again? — FoxNews.com

Deadline: Feb 01, 2011 11:00 PM EST

Former Vice President Al Gore told Bill O’Reilly that: “A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species.” We need comments from someone who can point out the ridiculousness of his argument, even if you accept the somewhat-implausible argument. I’ve been assigned this story just now by Fox News in New York for the science and technology desk. I’m looking for comments. Please send comments via e-mail. Please send your name, title and company you represent. Please send comments by 10 p.m. CST. Contact: Gene Koprowski, [redacted]

go65  posted on  2011-02-03   9:07:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#1)

Former Vice President Al Gore told Bill O’Reilly

Gore's response to O'Reilly quoted that notable, world famous scientist and climate expert -- Clarence Page. ROTFLMOA!!!!!

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-03   11:19:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

Here's a real scientist and environmentalist:

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-03   11:20:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#3)

Here's a real scientist and environmentalist:

His degree is in ecology.

Would you go to him to diagnose and treat cancer? I'm guessing the answer is "no", so why go to him for his views on climate?

go65  posted on  2011-02-03   13:05:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: go65 (#4) (Edited)

Ecology is extraordinarily relevant. So is astrophysics. Most astrophysists think that the global warming hyperbole is a bunch of hooey.

Do you think that most "climatologists" have a degree in "climatology"? Until a few years ago, there was no such degree. People who call themselves "climatologists" may have degrees in geology, ecology / environmental science, meteorology, or just about anything else.

Patrick Moore has one of those degrees and has spent a lifetime fighting for environment issues. Oh, but he disagrees with cultural leftists who have no education or background in science, like Al Gore, so he needs to be dismissed.

No dice. Patrick Moore is the one of the most credible people on this issue today.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-03   19:00:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: jwpegler (#5)

Ecology is extraordinarily relevant. So is astrophysics. Most astrophysists think that the global warming hyperbole is a bunch of hooey.

Really?

Monster snowstorms still spell global warming

By Michio Kaku

Editor's note: Michio Kaku is a professor of theoretical physics at the City University of New York and author of the forthcoming book "Physics of the Future."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/27/kaku.snowstorms.global.warming/index.html

go65  posted on  2011-02-03   21:15:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: go65 (#9) (Edited)

The article you posted said:

There is no single smoking gun that can point us to the origin of these monster snowstorms.

Global warming is controversial, of course, but the controversy is mainly over whether human activity is driving it.

I agree completely with that.

So what's your point?

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-03   21:17:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jwpegler (#10)

I agree completely with that.

So what's your point?

I'm glad you agree that the folks who claim that big snowstorms disprove global warming are wrong.

And I agree as well that the controversy is mainly over whether human activity is driving it. I'm glad as well that we agree that the planet is indeed warming.

Now, if you can come up with something else that explains the warming other than rising CO2 from human activity, you'll end the controversy. The problem is that there isn't any reason. So the controversy comes from those who accept the science and those who claim it's all a conspiracy, or promote other views (e.g. it's the sun) that have no basis in fact.

go65  posted on  2011-02-03   21:23:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: go65 (#11)

I'm glad as well that we agree that the planet is indeed warming.

Generally, the planet has been warming since the last glacial period 12,500 years go. During the last 12,500 years, we had a short (200 year) cooling period, but it started warming again around 1800.

SUVs did not cause this. I'm pretty sure that they weren't even invented then.

Over the last 10 years, it's generally been cooling again. But we are still in a warming cycle.

Cooling would be much worse than warming to humans because of the food supply.

Something I just learned -- there is only 10% of the bio-diversity at the 45th parallel than there is at the equator. Life on earth really likes hot weather.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-03   21:47:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: jwpegler (#12)

Generally, the planet has been warming since the last glacial period 12,500 years go. During the last 12,500 years, we had a short (200 year) cooling period, but it started warming again around 1800.

SUVs did not cause this. I'm pretty sure that they weren't even invented then.

Over the last 10 years, it's generally been cooling again. But we are still in a warming cycle.

Cooling would be much worse than warming to humans because of the food supply.

Something I just learned -- there is only 10% of the bio-diversity at the 45th parallel than there is at the equator. Life on earth really likes hot weather.

True it has been warming, but warming has rapidly accelerated since the early 1970's as a result of increasing atmospheric CO2. Note that solar activity counter-corresponds to warming - solar activity has decreased since the early 1970's. The only explanation now that withstands scrutiny is rising CO2. And isotope testing confirms that the CO2 is coming from human activity.

This is at this point irrefutable.

Yes, life likes hotter weather, but life isn't going to like the rapid transition unlike anything we've seen before.

go65  posted on  2011-02-03   22:02:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#13) (Edited)

warming has rapidly accelerated since the early 1970's as a result of increasing atmospheric CO2

That's an opinion held by some. But there isn't any real evidence for this.

There can't be any evidence for this because we don't yet know what's really causes climate cycles over millions of years.

The earth's revolution and rotation are probably are part of it. Sunspot cycles may be a part of it. We're just starting to understand this.

All of these hysterical headlines should be taken with a grain of salt. "It's the warmest year EVER". Well, "EVER" means since we've been keeping records for 150 years. The data is meaningless because the sampling period is too short in the life of the earth and the accuracy of our measurements have changed dramatically because our measuring technology has changed dramatically over the last 150 years.

The improvement in the accuracy of our instruments alone could cause more variation than the changes that have been measured over the last 150 years.

Yes, there is no doubt that the earth is warming. But, it's been much warmer in the past than it is today. A slight warming would be more beneficial than a slight cooling to life on earth.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-02-03   22:32:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: jwpegler (#14)

That's an opinion held by some. But there isn't any real evidence for this.

there are multiple land, sea and satellite records, as well as multiple independent reconstructions that reach the same conclusion.

There can't be any evidence for this because we don't yet know what's really causes climate cycles over millions of years.

We can correlate some past events, such as the MWP, Little Ice Age, etc., and understand the impact of events on earth, changes in orbit, etc. The thing is that there is nothing that explains the current rapid warming trend other than rising atmospheric CO2. We know CO2 is rising, we know it's a greenhouse gas. There is simply no other plausible explanation.

Show me an alternative explanation for the warming since the 1970's and I'll change my mind, but so far the counter-arguments is "it's all a conspiracy".

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