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Title: Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt
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URL Source: http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio ... sident-who-lost-egypt-1.340057
Published: Jan 30, 2011
Author: Aluf Benn
Post Date: 2011-01-30 18:40:45 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 35343
Comments: 44

Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as "the president who lost Iran," which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who "lost" Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America's alliances in the Middle East crumbled.

The superficial circumstances are similar. In both cases, a United States in financial crisis and after failed wars loses global influence under a leftist president whose good intentions are interpreted abroad as expressions of weakness. The results are reflected in the fall of regimes that were dependent on their relationship with Washington for survival, or in a change in their orientation, as with Ankara.

America's general weakness clearly affects its friends. But unlike Carter, who preached human rights even when it hurt allies, Obama sat on the fence and exercised caution. He neither embraced despised leaders nor evangelized for political freedom, for fear of undermining stability.

Obama began his presidency with trips to Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and in speeches in Ankara and Cairo tried to forge new ties between the United States and the Muslim world. His message to Muslims was "I am one of you," and he backed it by quoting from the Koran. President Hosni Mubarak did not join him on the stage at Cairo University, and Obama did not mention his host. But he did not imitate his hated predecessor, President George W. Bush, with blunt calls for democracy and freedom.

Obama apparently believed the main problem of the Middle East was the Israeli occupation, and focused his policy on demanding the suspension of construction in the settlements and on the abortive attempt to renew the peace talks. That failure led him to back off from the peace process in favor of concentrating on heading off an Israeli-Iranian war.

Americans debated constantly the question of whether Obama cut his policy to fit the circumstances or aimed at the wrong targets. The absence of human rights issues from U.S. policy vis-a-vis Arab states drew harsh criticism; he was accused of ignoring the zeitgeist and clinging to old, rotten leaders. In the past few months many opinion pieces have appeared in the Western press asserting that the days of Mubarak's regime are numbered and calling on Obama to reach out to the opposition in Egypt. There was a sense that the U.S. foreign policy establishment was shaking off its long-term protege in Cairo, while the administration lagged behind the columnists and commentators.

The administration faced a dilemma. One can guess that Obama himself identified with the demonstrators, not the aging dictator. But a superpower isn't the civil rights movement. If it abandons its allies the moment they flounder, who would trust it tomorrow? That's why Obama rallied to Mubarak's side until Friday, when the force of the protests bested his regime.

The street revolts in Tunisia and Egypt showed that the United States can do very little to save its friends from the wrath of their citizens. Now Obama will come under fire for not getting close to the Egyptian opposition leaders soon enough and not demanding that Mubarak release his opponents from jail. He will be accused of not pushing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hard enough to stop the settlements and thus indirectly quell the rising tides of anger in the Muslim world. But that's a case of 20:20 hindsight. There's no guarantee that the Egyptian or Tunisian masses would have been willing to live in a repressive regime even if construction in Ariel was halted or a few opposition figures were released from jail.

Now Obama will try to hunker down until the winds of revolt die out, and then forge ties with the new leaders in the region. It cannot be assumed that Mubarak's successors will be clones of Iran's leaders, bent on pursuing a radical anti-American policy. Perhaps they will emulate Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who navigates among the blocs and superpowers without giving up his country's membership in NATO and its defense ties with the United States. Erdogan obtained a good deal for Turkey, which benefits from political stability and economic growth without being in anyone's pocket. It could work for Egypt, too.

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#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Wouldn't be the first time we lost Egypt.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-30   19:20:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#4)

We lost Iran by the way the Shah and his secret police had been propped up by the U.S. government in general. If you read the history of foreign entanglements and the undue influence we have see the west engage in politically and socially, the backlash that happened in Iran was to be expected.

The Hostage situation did Carter in to the extent that event hurt him. And the Iranians manipulated that as much as possible by waiting until Reagan got in office.

Egypt is an explosion in progress, and until the chips fall, nobody know how this is going to hurt anyone worse than anyone else.

Though it's not surprising to see the spin start early.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-30   19:54:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

Egypt is an explosion in progress, and until the chips fall, nobody know how this is going to hurt anyone worse than anyone else.

When you look into the Ayatollah in France
He was sending audio cassette's for Irans street....until Air France flew him in.
This smacks of people/powered coup,....different than CIA outting Mossedeq and putting in Shah.
I see the Elites as capable of running both
The Ayatollah creates this Evil monster image the west and Israel need.
You see the cartoonish charactuer of Khomeni brooding in the giant steet banners and artwork.
He becomes the Expected one who will right all wrongs,...and plays perfectly to the Islamist mind.
They tried to make Osama bin laden this brooding evil image too,....and relented at the obvious failure.
so ya,...Bin laden is a terror geek who hides in caves with laptops and sends death by cell phone command.
These so call evil leaders are so fake.
The Mullahs all have off shore accounts,..in US dollars.

shift:
Hoser Mubarak must be pissed,...he's done everything asked of him by the US and Israel,...and now his son will not inherit.

If some Arab leader ever gets the balls to tell the truth to his people,...how most leaders sell out to the Globalists and take money.
when that truth hits the street,...the people will really lose it.

Muslim nations are simply being re postioned for future wars,micro conflicts and fake war on terror.

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2011-01-30   22:41:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Parrot with speed dial (#9)

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-01-30   23:06:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15) (Edited)

Food staples starting to run out in Egypt

By Salma Abdelaziz, CNN

(CNN) -- While discontent, resentment and nationalism continue to fuel demonstrations, one vital staple is in short supply: food.

Many families in Egypt are fast running out of staples such as bread, beans and rice and are often unable or unwilling to shop for groceries.

"Everything is running out. I have three children, and I only have enough to feed them for maybe two more days. After that I do not know what we will do." school administrator Gamalat Gadalla told CNN.

The unrest has paralyzed daily life in Egypt with many grocers closing shop and spotty food shipments.

"With the curfew, there are no restaurants, food or gas. Basic goods will soon be in shortage," Sandmonkey, an Egyptian blogger said via Twitter.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has ordered a curfew in Egypt to be extended from 3 p.m. to 8 a.m. on Monday, further stifling normal life in the embattled nation.

Egyptian state-run Nile TV has set up a hotline for citizens to call in and report bread shortages. There has been no other indication of what the Egyptian government is doing to address the crisis.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/01/30/egypt.protests.food/index.html? eref=rss_mostpopular&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed% 3A+rss%2Fcnn_mostpopular+%28RSS%3A+Most+Popular%29&utm_content=Twitter

There are many desperately poor people there and this is a huge factor. There simply is not the sane degree of stored food there as we enjoy here.

I really hope they pay attention to supplying things like food, as nothing will fuel revolution like hunger. It reduces people to a more primal level, and hunger will spark even more looting, and even move vicious fighting than we have seen to date.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-30   23:20:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

...and even move vicious fighting then we have seen to date.

...and even move vicious fighting than we have seen to date.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-01-30   23:26:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Fred Mertz (#18)

Heh, thanks Fred, though you must admit my then/than use has improved after your feedback on this foible I have regarding the two words. ;-D

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