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Title: GOP Budget Cutters on NASA: 8%…50%…It’s All Good
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Published: Jan 19, 2011
Author: Doug Messieron
Post Date: 2011-01-28 11:55:34 by Godwinson
Keywords: NASA
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GOP Budget Cutters on NASA: 8%…50%…It’s All Good Republican budget cutters are preparing to take an axe to the federal budget trunk — and anyone (low- income students, rocket scientists, the newly disabled) who gets in the way. It’s part of an effort to fulfill a campaign promise to cut $100 billion from domestic discretionary spending. Just how bad would the cuts be for NASA? Legislators are actually targeting $84 billion in cuts, a reduction of 18 percent that would return spending to 2008 levels. NASA’s funding would be cut about 8 percent from $18.93 billion to $17.4 billion. However, some Republicans outside of government are advocating a much steeper reduction — by 50 percent to $9.47 billion. The Los Angeles Times reports: “A return to 2008 levels would mean significant cuts for lots of programs favored by Republicans, including an 8 percent cut to NASA, a 16 percent cut for the FBI and a 13 percent cut in the operating budget of the national parks… Republicans in Texas, Florida and Alabama — where NASA facilities mean thousands of jobs — are sure to fight against cuts to the space agency. NASA could have to abandon the International Space Station because of the cuts, the White House warns.” Meanwhile, former Congressman Dick Armey believes the proposed cuts are far too low. In a Wall Street Journal op-ed co-authored with FreedomWorks President Matt Kibbe, Armey argues that NASA’s budget should be cut by 50 percent, saving $90 billion over a decade. While such a drastic cut is unlikely, NASA is facing considerable budget pressures as legislators focus on getting the federal deficit under control. Asked about the space agency’s budget prospects earlier this week, NASA Administrator Charles Bolden replied: “That’s hard to say. I’ll be able to answer that question for you better in the middle of February, when we get our budget. It would be premature for me to try to guess. It may be that the Congress decides that they really think exploration is really important … and we’ll find the level of funding is OK.” We’ll see what happens. Postedby Doug Messieron January 19, 2011, at 12:11 pmi
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#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)
That's only true for most of us, those who must-not-be-taxed are living larger than ever (wonder where they got their money).
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
What part of this do you NOT understand? I understand your point perfectly. And on the surface, it seems reasonable... But let's examine your point a little more closely, shall we? From http://www.kitco.com/in d/Dougherty/jan222010.html: In other words, you could take ALL money and sellable assets that are held by individuals in the U.S., and the USA is still bankrupt. Remember, total debt is > $120T Follow along here... the total debt is $120T, and the total assets held by the top 1% is $21.4T. This means, if we go with your logic, they'll reduce our total debt to only $100T. Wow, what a GREAT idea! We'll still be bankrupt, but we FEEL better about our bankruptcy, yeah??? But there's another flaw in your proposal: If the common people suspect that something diabolical was in the works, a portion of the $32 trillion in non-elite wealth could be evacuated as well prior to a government expropriation and/or currency devaluation, resulting in less money for the government to steal. What these statistics mean is that it is absolutely impossible for the government to fund its debt and deficits, even if it steals all of the nation’s private wealth. Therefore, the government’s only solutions are either formal bankruptcy (outright debt repudiation and the dismantling of bankrupt government programs) or unprecedented American monetary inflation and debt monetization. If the government chooses to inflate its way out of this fiscal catastrophe, the United States dollar will essentially become worthless. You can be absolutely certain that a PhD. in economics, such as Dr. Bernanke, is well aware of these realities, despite what he might say in speeches. For that matter, so are Chinese schoolchildren, who, when patronized by Treasury Secretary Geithner about America’s “strong dollar,” laughed in his face. One day, perhaps America’s school children will receive a real education so that they, too, will know when to laugh at absurd propaganda. Before you start your knee-jerk responses (which really, are the talking-points of socialist organizers), I challenge you to disprove any of the points I've made. In other words, stick to FACTS. Can you DO that??????
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
So how long you think it's gonna' be, until another socialist nut-job picks up a gun, shoots a bunch of people, and then claims the Tea Party made him do it?
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
Yes, Obama killed big government programs to focus on efforts to privatize space launches. Obviously this makes him a socialist.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Please provide REAL evidence to back your claims. A lack of substantiation on your part, I will take as an admission from you, that you are (once again) talking out your ass...
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
Well, the vast majority of liberal/socialist slugs are quite insane since they embrace socialism which has been an abject failure as a viable political dogma throughout the history of the planet. These slugs are emotional misfits whose intense and irrational desire for someone to take care of them has manifested itself in horrific acts that even they can not explain. I do not yet believe this insanity has peaked. These insane, by their very nature, will resort to the most primitive of acts in an attempt to satiate their fear of having to take care of themselves and just exist without a nanny.
Please provide REAL evidence to back your claims. It just goes to prove you, Eric don't really base your positions on facts, just truthiness, It is very clear Eric you just assume stuff based on some formula in your head - who knows? http://news.cnet.com/8301-19514_3-10445227-239.html Obama ends moon program, endorses private spaceflight All it took was a second to google it up and if you half paid attention to news you would have known this. So here you have Obama shifting space to the private sector and you right wing small govt types are still clueless. It is I feel a mistake to privatize NASA but that is besides the point.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Stupid math. That is like challenging someone with a 30 year mortgage to liquidate all his assets to pay off the debt before the mortgage is due. The debt would be reduced yearly over time through higher taxes on the rich while investing in job creating programs to boost the middle class. You can do other things as well like punish companies for firing workers if they are making a profit. If an employee has worked for over a certain number of years at a place like say 10 years and is over the age of 50 and is fired when the company is making money then the company has to pay his salary until he retires. The company does not like it tough. If it outsources causing them to lose jobs, they pay the salaries of the laid off from 5 years to life depending on the age of the worker (younger workers are more employable and can learn skills easier than the old) or they don't do business in America. If they decide not to do business in America to avoid and wortk via another firm that then does business with America that secondary firm is liable. Do that and no more lay offs in good economic times as was happening in the 90s and the 00s so they can send the stocks up on Wall Street so CEOs can cash in on stock options and bail.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Socialism is an economic theory not a political one. Europe's most successful system is the post WW2 adoption of the 'social market" of the Christian democrats of West Germany which was responsible for Germany's economic miracle. That system avoided the financial melt down of the USA and thus is more credible and successful an economic model. Germany is still a manufacturing exporter. Suck on that reality.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Now you're saying that math is "stupid" because you don't like the answer.... Now THAT is funny!!!!!!
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
That system avoided the financial melt down of the USA and thus is more credible and successful an economic model. Germany is still a manufacturing exporter. Suck on that reality. And if you want to add to that, compare how Canada's financial system held up during the 2008 crisis with our own (and then compare the regulatory environments).
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Is this really the argument he's making? That anyone who's debts are larger than their assets is bankrupt? And now you know why I put him on filter. Please don't feel the need to ping me to responses to Eric's idiocy.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
And if you want to add to that, compare how Canada's financial system held up during the 2008 crisis with our own (and then compare the regulatory environments). I have noticed from online discussions that those posting about socialism on conservative forums have no idea what socialism is and that they have a sliding scale of defining socialism.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Yup. Now you know why Republicans can't balance a budget.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Nonsense! It is a political ploy to dupe stupid people into thinking that the socialist administrators are helping all the people before they run off with all the wealth and leave the people in abject poverty. How stupid can you be?
People in Scandinavia are poor and ill informed?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I have noticed that it is the socialists that have no idea what socialism really is or they are just too stupid to realize that socialism has been an abject failure throughout the history of our planet.
When you guys define socialism as being pretty much any country that freaks you out I find that funny. For example, Germany is considered by you Socialist? Yes? No?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
ME:Please provide REAL evidence to back your claims. Your reply, in an attempt to support your feeble socialist buddy go56? I asked you to provide evidence. Why? Because whenever I hear a claim where oBUMa killed ANY government program, I know it's bullshit. He's a socialist, who believes in BIGGER government. So this is against his very nature. In other words, your claim that he "killed big government programs" fails the sniff-test. It's shit. NOW... I DO give credit where due. You tried to provide evidence. And WHAT did the evidence you provide say? Does it say that he "killed big government programs..."? Well, it actually said: So "pump[ing] an additional $6 billion into NASA's budget is what you call "killing" it. Instead of googling a propaganda piece, let's look at NASA's own budget documents. Try http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/420990main_FY_201_% 20Budget_Overview_1_Feb_2010.pdf Please examine slide #3, where it says: Highlights of NASA’s FY 2011 Budget h56; Top line increase of $6.0 billion over 5-years (FY 2011-15) compared to the FY 2010 Budget, for a total of $100 billion over five years. So increasing their budget is "killing" it, huh? Your statement- that Obama KILLED the bloated NASA program by increasing its funding for the next four years... Has been demonstrated false. YOU FAIL, Black Knight. AGAIN. "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
eskimo: I have noticed that it is the socialists that have no idea what socialism really is or they are just too stupid to realize that socialism has been an abject failure throughout the history of our planet. Conservatives know EXACTLY what socialism is, and where it leads. We only need one quote, from someone who is considered THE expert: Well, godwinson, you FAIL again. But keep fighting, Black Knight! Just a FLESH wound, right??? "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
You really are not paying attention. Socialism is not a country it is just a stupid idea.
That's what Jesus said, too. You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. —Matthew 5:38-42, NIV But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. —Luke 6:27-31. NIV
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Please give me a country where socialism is applied so we have a real world example of what you mean. This way I can see what you mean by socialism.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Another red herring. What a surprise... (((eyes rolling)))
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
How old are you?
LOL. I just asked him the same basic question!!! Have you graduated high school, yet? Working on a GED? Or are you some unemployed loser sitting in mum and dads house, posting shit because you're lazy and dull-witted? "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
Please provide an example of a country you define as socialist right now? How about I help you? Is France & Germany "socialist" per your understanding of the concept?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Please provide your age so I can respond appropriately.
Manufacturing in Sweden grew by 8% in 2009.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
They calculate wealth as the amount of money that can be borrowed. I've been told that by more than one so-called conservative.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Sorry, he's right, socialism is an economic system as is capitalism. Friedman and the Chicago boys proved that Capitalism and brutal dictatorships could be best friends.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
LOL!! Sorry, he is not correct, Karl Marx was not an economist. Socialism is a political scam that leaves its victims in abject poverty after the socialist administrators abscond with all the wealth they could bleed from the hapless dupes who thought they had a nanny to take care of them.
Marx was not a socialist. Adam Smith was not a capitalist, either.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Obama has already cut NASA's budget including their program to establish a permanent base on the moon by 2020. Obama was right. Several companies, including Richard Branson's Virgin are building commercial space vehicles and planning various types of space businesses. The time has come to get the government out of the space transportation business. NASA needs to focus on basic research -- astronomy, exo-biology, etc. Unfortunately, the Democrat House eliminated the budget for the Terrestrial Planet Finder in January 2007, which is exactly the type of program that NASA should be focused on.
That's a joke. Business is only building sub orbital flights for tourists. Saying that is the future of space exploration is like saying instead of the govt of Spain giving funds to Columbus, Columbus sold cruise tickets to a 3 day cruise and back.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
That is not bold enough. They need to cut 50 to 75 percent. Rand Paul is more in the ball park.
You are why America will become a thrid world nation. Limited govt Somalia has no space program either.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
There are a whole bunch of companies, including Orbital that are focused on the satellite launch business. With Obama's cuts to NASA, American businesses will be dependent on Russia unless U.S. companies enter the business. They are entering the business.
Is that the best you can do? I am still waiting for a response to your nonsense that all of the rich stole their money.
Unfortunately, it is the best he can do.
Listen, stone - you run the sight and you know I posted my articles. Go read - which I know American right wingers don't do. It is a know nothing movement who block out contrary info.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
5. We can't be "livin' large" anymore.
#21. To: Godwinson (#8)
That's right we 99% don't have any money. Tax the 1% rich who took 4/5th of our wealth and we have plenty.
"as of September, 2009.... America’s debt and unfunded liabilities totaled at least $120,000,000,000,000.00 ($120 trillion), or 225% of the citizens’ net worth. Even if the government expropriated every dollar of private wealth in the nation, it would still have a deficit of $66,600,000,000,000.00 ($66.6 trillion), equal to $214,286.00 for every man, woman and child in America and roughly 500% of GDP.
It is estimated that the top 1% of Americans control roughly 40% of the nation’s wealth. In other words, 3 million people own $21,400,000,000,000.00 ($21.4 trillion) in net private assets...
If the government decides to expropriate (steal) or commandeer (e.g., force into Treasuries) America’s private wealth in order to buy survival time, such a measure will be designed to destroy the common citizens, not the elite. Insiders will be given advance warning about any such plan, and will be able to transfer their money offshore or into financial vehicles immune from harm. Assuming that the elite moves its money to safety, there would then be $120,000,000,000,000.00 ($120 trillion) in American debt and liabilities supported by only $32,000,000,000,000.00 ($32 trillion) in private net worth, for a deficit of $88,000,000,000,000.00 ($88 trillion). In that case, each American would owe $285,714.29 to balance the country’s books. (Remember to multiply this amount by every person in your household, including any infant children.)
#22. To: eskimo (#12)
Just what our country needs, more delusional, psychotic political party dupes spitting hate at the other head of the two-party farce monster to no intelligent end whatsoever.
#23. To: Rudgear, Godwinson (#2)
Barack Obama plan kills moon funding; NASA Constellation, Ares, Orion: RIP BTW, the whole 'racism' accusation doesn't work with m
#24. To: go65 (#23)
Yes, Obama killed big government programs to focus on efforts to privatize space launches.
#25. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)
So how long you think it's gonna' be, until another socialist nut-job picks up a gun, shoots a bunch of people, and then claims the Tea Party made him do it?
#26. To: Capitalist Eric, go65 (#24)
Yes, Obama killed big government programs to focus on efforts to privatize space launches.
#27. To: Capitalist Eric, go65, lucysmom (#21)
(Edited)
In other words, you could take ALL money and sellable assets that are held by individuals in the U.S., and the USA is still bankrupt. Remember, total debt is > $120T
#28. To: eskimo, Capitalist Eric, go65 (#25)
Well, the vast majority of liberal/socialist slugs are quite insane since they embrace socialism which has been an abject failure as a viable political dogma throughout the history of the planet.
#29. To: Godwinson (#27)
Stupid math.
#30. To: Godwinson, eskimo (#28)
Socialism is an economic theory not a political one. Europe's most successful system is the post WW2 adoption of the 'social market" of the Christian democrats of West Germany which was responsible for Germany's economic miracle.
#31. To: Godwinson (#27)
Stupid math. That is like challenging someone with a 30 year mortgage to liquidate all his assets to pay off the debt before the mortgage is due.
#32. To: go65, eskimo (#30)
Socialism is an economic theory not a political one. Europe's most successful system is the post WW2 adoption of the 'social market" of the Christian democrats of West Germany which was responsible for Germany's economic miracle. That system avoided the financial melt down of the USA and thus is more credible and successful an economic model. Germany is still a manufacturing exporter. Suck on that reality.
#33. To: go65 (#31)
Stupid math. That is like challenging someone with a 30 year mortgage to liquidate all his assets to pay off the debt before the mortgage is due. Is this really the argument he's making? That anyone who's debts are larger than their assets is bankrupt?
#34. To: Godwinson (#28)
Socialism is an economic theory not a political one.
#35. To: eskimo (#34)
Nonsense! It is a political ploy to dupe stupid people into thinking that the socialist administrators are helping all the people before they run off with all the wealth and leave the people in abject poverty. How stupid can you be?
#36. To: Godwinson (#32)
I have noticed from online discussions that those posting about socialism on conservative forums have no idea what socialism is and that they have a sliding scale of defining socialism.
#37. To: eskimo (#36)
I have noticed that it is the socialists that have no idea what socialism really is or they are just too stupid to realize that socialism has been an abject failure throughout the history of our planet.
#38. To: Godwinson (#26)
(Edited)
go56: Yes, Obama killed big government programs to focus on efforts to privatize space launches.
It just goes to prove you, Eric don't really base your positions on facts, just truthiness, It is very clear Eric you just assume stuff based on some formula in your head - who knows? http://news.cnet.com/8301-19514_3- 10445227-239.html Obama ends moon program, endorses private spaceflight
Requesting some $19 billion for NASA in fiscal 2011, the administration announced plans to pump an additional $6 billion into NASA's budget over the next five years to kick-start development of a new commercial manned spaceflight capability, including some $500 million in 2011. ... some $7.8 billion will be earmarked for new technology development, ... Another $3.1 billion will support development of new propulsion technologies needed by future heavy-lift rockets. And $3 billion will go to pay for a series of robotic missions to the moon and beyond to test systems needed for eventual manned flights."
It just goes to prove you, Eric don't really base your positions on facts, just truthiness, It is very clear Eric you just assume stuff based on some formula in your head - who knows?
#39. To: eskimo, Godwinson (#36)
Godwinson: I have noticed from online discussions that those posting about socialism on conservative forums have no idea what socialism is and that they have a sliding scale of defining socialism.
“The goal of socialism is communism.”
-- Vladimyr Lenin -- 
#40. To: Godwinson (#37)
When you guys define socialism as being pretty much any country that freaks you out..
#41. To: Capitalist Eric (#39)
“The goal of socialism is communism.” -- Vladimyr Lenin --
#42. To: eskimo (#40)
Socialism is not a country it is just a stupid idea.
#43. To: Godwinson (#41)
That's what Jesus said, too. You have heard that it was said,......
#44. To: Godwinson (#42)
Please give me a country where socialism is applied so we have a real world example of what you mean. This way I can see what you mean by socialism.
#45. To: eskimo (#44)
How old are you?
Given your lack of maturity and wisdom in your posts, I have to ask...
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=16955&Disp=30#C30
#46. To: eskimo (#44)
#47. To: Godwinson (#46)
#48. To: Godwinson (#28)
Germany is still a manufacturing exporter. Suck on that reality.
#49. To: Godwinson (#33)
Now you know why Republicans can't balance a budget.
#50. To: eskimo (#34)
Nonsense! It is a political ploy to dupe stupid people into thinking that the socialist administrators are helping all the people before they run off with all the wealth and leave the people in abject poverty. How stupid can you be?
#51. To: lucysmom (#50)
Sorry, he's right, socialism is an economic system as is capitalism.
#52. To: eskimo, lucysmom (#51)
(Edited)
LOL!! Sorry, he is not correct, Karl Marx was not an economist
#53. To: Godwinson (#0)
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#54. To: jwpegler (#53)
Several companies, including Richard Branson's Virgin are building commercial space vehicles and planning various types of space businesses. The time has come to get the government out of the space transportation business.
#55. To: Godwinson (#0)
#56. To: A K A Stone (#55)
(Edited)
That is not bold enough. They need to cut 50 to 75 percent. Rand Paul is more in the ball park.
#57. To: Godwinson (#54)
(Edited)
Business is only building sub orbital flights for tourists.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#58. To: Godwinson (#56)
#59. To: A K A Stone (#58)
Is that the best you can do?
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#60. To: A K A Stone, jwpegler (#58)
(Edited)
Is that the best you can do? I am still waiting for a response to your nonsense that all of the rich stole their money.
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