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Title: Exclusive: US Empire Will Fall Due To Lack Of Faith, Not Finances Or War, Author Warns
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RawStory
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/ ... g-washington-author-tells-raw/
Published: Jan 27, 2011
Author: Nathan Diebenow
Post Date: 2011-01-27 12:55:52 by Brian S
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Views: 125665
Comments: 176
As many in the American empire longingly talk of "recovery" from the most devastating economic condition since the Great Depression, others have begun thinking in a very different direction, urging fellow citizens to prepare for the worst. Dmitry Orlov, author of "Reinventing Collapse: The Soviet Example and American Prospects," is one of the latter. Soon, he told Raw Story in an exclusive interview, Americans will "stop expecting anything of Washington," turning the US into more of a "banana republic" than a super power. Orlov, who witnessed the Soviet Union's collapse from within, lamented that the American empire's condition is so severe there is "absolutely nothing" most can do to keep it alive or hasten its demise. "Basically the people in this country are powerless," he suggested. "So they should probably focus on things closer to home." Orlov, born in born in Leningrad (now known as Saint Petersburg), moved to the United States at age 12 and became an engineer. In his book, he detailed his experiences with the Soviet collapse on numerous visits to Russia in the late 1980s, early 1990s. He covered similarities between the two superpowers in their twilight and suggested ways for Americans to adapt to their new post-empire environment. Amid horrid unemployment and a national deficit soaring past World War II levels, Orlov theorized that the US empire would eventually collapse -- not from finances or war, but from a lack of faith in the system. It would happen over three overlapping stages, he said: financial, political and commercial. "We're fairly far along in the financial collapse trajectory while political collapse has now really only started with the last election," he said. By the next election cycle, Orlov figured, the United States would be in the throes of a "banana republic" such that the voters would exchange one inept political party for another inept political party while expecting different results. While nothing constructive would result from this behavior, he said, the next meaningless shift in 2012 may be the last straw. "That will run its course where people walk away in disgust and stop expecting anything of Washington," he said. Environmental and social catastrophe "People will lose access to various products that they need," Orlov said. Much has already collapsed in the commercial sphere. Vacant strip malls and deserted grocery stores clutter the landscape in many parts of the country. "You also have people whose only source of food is food stamps," he said. "That's becoming predominant in a lot of communities." But let's not fail to mention an overemphasis on military expenditures and unused industrial areas, Orlov insisted, describing them as mis-investments made by both empires. "To this day, the former Soviet Union is littered with abandoned or semi-abandoned industrial sites just as the United States is," he noted. By Orlov's estimation, the US military will never voluntarily quit being the world's largest oil consumer and largest polluter. Moreover, any plans suggested to the military to end its oil dependency in 30 years are an act of "desperation," he said. "They have set their hair on fire and are running around in circles. That's their drill right now," Orlov quipped. But what really seemed to rock the Soviet empire to its foundations, Orlov explained, was devastation of Russia's physical environment as a result of industrialization. The prime example was the nuclear reactor accident in Chernobyl in 1986. To this day, the site continues to produce very high levels of childhood leukemia, cancers and other diseases. "[The Chernobyl accident] caused a great number of people, including people in some positions of authority, especially in the scientific community in Russia, to seriously mistrust the government, and [they] started doing their own research, making their own observations that disquieted them even more," Orlov explained. Former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev's "glasnost" policy allowed enough truth out to undermine the remaining Soviet authority to the point where those who operated the system lost interest in perpetuating it, Orlov said. While likening the Chernobyl disaster to the Deepwater Horizon accident in the Gulf of Mexico on his blog, Orlov said that he expects no hearts of American leaders to bleed over their destroyed environment any time soon. "I don't see the elite in the United States at quite that level of desperation quite yet -- probably because they are a little bit less attuned to what's going on," he said. "They are a little bit more sheltered from the public at large. But that might change."
As the financial collapse runs its course, Orlov said, people can expect some imports to be cut off. Energy, above all cheap oil, will be the most important import to dry up. Transportation fuels will also become scarce, bringing on the next stage of social collapse: the commercial sphere, he noted.
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#1. To: Brian S, go65, lucysmom (#0)
The USA is already a "banana republic" in one regard, the wealth distribution disparity is much or greater than it was in Latin America back when they were all dictatorships. http://www.businessinsider.com/its-official-in-terms-of-income-inequality- america-is-now-a-banana-republic-2010-11 IT'S OFFICIAL: America Is Now A Banana Republic One of the hallmarks of banana republics, says the NYT's Nicholas Kristof, is income inequality. In some countries, the wealthiest 1% of the population takes home 20% or more of the national income. And now the same is true in America: The richest 1 percent of Americans now take home almost 24 percent of income, up from almost 9 percent in 1976. As Timothy Noah of Slate noted in an excellent series on inequality, the United States now arguably has a more unequal distribution of wealth than traditional banana republics like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana. C.E.O.’s of the largest American companies earned an average of 42 times as much as the average worker in 1980, but 531 times as much in 2001. Perhaps the most astounding statistic is this: From 1980 to 2005, more than four-fifths of the total increase in American incomes went to the richest 1 percent. ------------- LOL, the tea bagging peasants were cool with getting the crumbs of the remaining 1/5th of the wealth because they were living large on credit cards. Now that's over too. Maybe in 2012 the tea baggers will wake up and realize they were snookered by the GOP ideology of trickle down?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
And the historical solution that the leftists always employ is to make every equally poor, except of course for the party apparatchiks who get to control everything.
Actually this statement of yours admits there is a problem - and trickle down supply side economics of the GOP made the 1% rich 4/5th richer and the rest of the 99% of the population gets to share the 5/5th crumbs.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Isn't that how Obama became POTUS, Pelosi SOTH and Kagan and Sotomayor AJOTSC?
Stop whining you commie bastard.
Good, that's just what your masters want you to think.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Gandhi was a commie because he wanted Indians to determine their own fate, not the British. Martin Luther King was a commie when he worked for freedom for all Americans. If Jesus came back and preached the same message today, he's be a commie too.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Martin Luther King was a commie when he worked for freedom for all Americans. If Jesus came back and preached the same message today, he's be a commie too. What kind of mind-altering substances are you snorting?
The professional left can only exist because there are people in the world who are green with envy. Instead of trying to make themselves better, they sit and fester because others have more than they do. They become obsessed and their envy consumes them. Godwinson is a great example of this. The envious man thinks that if his neighbor breaks a leg, he will be able to walk better himself -- Helmut Schoeck
Joseph Stalin, Nicolae Ceauescu, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, and countless others... History is very clear on this. Very clear.
Fartboy isn't interested in a rational discussion. He comes in like a mangy dog, lifting his leg on every thread... The goal? Attention. And he works hard to get it: he averages about 2 posts for every response he gets. Basically, 2/3 of the forum simply ignore him, which is why he gets more and more shrill with time... When he becomes a non-entity to ~90% of the forum, it'll simply be the "echo-chamber" effect of fartboy, godwinson, mutt dog and go56. And they'll all pat themselves on the back, for having done a good job... of becoming pariahs. {{{smirk}}}
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
How would you know, you pathetic dicklicker?
America's wealth disparity makes America very USSR like since all the power and wealth resides in the top 1%.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You 2 deserve each other.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
If you think you are not getting your fair share, educate yourself and make yourself more marketable to employers. Everyone else can do the same. Government has no place in assigning wealth quotas.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Unless the history reels are wrong, How people can be romantic about communism is a mystery to me. Communism was supposed to be a better form than religion, They just made new flags up and killed ,...just like Religions do.
You're right. Communism is the religion of the far left. To them, it has all the attributes, including ethics and morality.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Employers???? C.E.O.’s of the largest American companies earned an average of 42 times as much as the average worker in 1980, but 531 times as much in 2001. That's a rip off and with the use of the threat of off shoring the American employee is forced to shut up and take what ever crumbs are offered or else. No wonder Americans live in stress and fear and you get workplace massacres - a record of them happened under Bush.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
But because of Obama there are no jobs right? You don't put much thought into these arguments, so you end up with "the unemployed are too lazy to take the jobs that aren't there because of Obama"
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Communists use lies and deception. I see the same theme with the Watermelon Earthers.
Since January 20, 2009 what has Obama done to bring back jobs shipped overseas? Reduced the tax burden? No. Reduced the threat of expensive nuisance litigation? No. Punished those companies that sell or share technology with foreign competitors? No. What has your boy done to put America back to work. Nothing. Communists want a uniform, impoverished society. All the better to tyrannize over.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
That's a rip off and with the use of the threat of off shoring the American employee is forced to shut up and take what ever crumbs are offered or else. Barry's had more than two years to address the problem. Done nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Communism is an infantile mindset. That's why the immature of the population fall under its spell.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Its rumored Zero is going to appear on National teleprompter sheeple vision and urge Congress to gungrab in the next weeks.
Given that we saw more private sector jobs created in the last 12 months than in the 8 years of Bush, facts aren't your friend.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
December 2010: Any other dumb questions?
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
You can post all the slanted graphs you want, but media matters action org is a partisan organization. Everything they post is going through the spin. *FAIL*
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
So Paul Ryan and Michelle Bachmann are communists? http://factcheck.org/2011/01/factchecking-the-gop-response/ Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Those charts are based on raw numbers released by the BLS. You can validate them here: http://www.bls.gov/ Of course, if you want to claim a massive conspiracy be my guest, that's the common refrain of Conservatives who lack facts to support any of their arguments.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Factcheck.org is another Obama gentle spin cycle. You really need to stay away from the pages that only tell you what you want to hear.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Jan 26 Volunteer rate declines to 26.3% for the year ending in September 2010 The volunteer rate fell by 0.5 percentage point to 26.3 percent for the year ending in September 2010. About 62.8 million people volunteered through or for an organization at least once between September 2009 and September 2010. The volunteer rate in 2010 was similar to the rates in 2007... What conspiracy? Spin is as natural to partisans as falling down is to a toddler. From your link, the numbers don't support a beneficent Barry Hussein, dispensing more than leaf-blower jobs to illegal criminals pouring over the border.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Barry's had more than two years to address the problem. Done nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada. I don't support many of President Obama's policies but it seems to me in your reply you agree with me that the 1% that owns 99% of the wealth uses fear and intimidation against American workers via threats of offshoring, etc. and it is not a case that Americans of the 99% class are lazy and don't deserve to have a greater share of the wealth. Now that it seems you acknowledge this as a problem we need to apply a solution - your solution is to do more of the same policies that got the rich more of the wealth from the rest of the 99% of the population in the hopes that it will eventually trickle down. That clearly did not happen and won't happen. The other way is to tax the rich at higher levels and re-invest in sustainable American jobs. There is a third option and that is for the 99% of the American population to use their 2nd amendment rights and take back the wealth from the 1% of the population who who stole it from them. There is tyranny of govt of course but you water carriers for the oligarchs masquerading as "conservatives" forget that there is also tyranny of the rich on the poor.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
go65, please continue to "post all the slanted graphs you want", per Rudgear. It seems the right wing Conservative Republicans have not mastered spreadsheet charts and are at a disadvantage.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Solutions include getting rid of the Federal Reserve, securing the border with Mexico, simplifying the tax code, taking government out of education and turning back to the states. That's how much of a water carrier of oligarchs I am. You don't know me. You lash out because you keep getting your head handed to you,
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Translation: keep posting gentle spin cycle for the benefit of the uniformed. Left wing Democrats have not mastered reality or challenged their deepest held prejudices and are at a disadvantage.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
EXCELLENT. Deserves repeating!
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
I love how they defeat their own argument with every post they make.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Your solutions are fanatsy right wing kookery. I know of no nation of the industrialized world (including ones that are doing well like Germany) that does not have a central bank of some sort. I know of no nation on earth that is ahead of the USA in educational reulst who has a decentralized education system. In places where t he govt i snot involved in education you can find them in Pakistan and Somalia. I don't see how states rights will make America's wealth gap better. Last time we had issue of states rights we had a slave owning aristocracy. I am all for controlling immigration and I am against NAFTA so we can agree on that but Mexican immigration was a result of business owners who want no govt oversight - right? - wanting cheaper unregulated labor. So now that I destroyed your talking points I see you still have not refuted and in fact are still in agreement that the wealth gap is not good and in fact hurting America. That's actually a big deal because Republican politicians have been on record calling Americans lazy.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Why do you fear spreadsheets?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
go65 provided a graph proving his point and you guys have not. You lose. Also, the information in those graphs are not biased. We did not lose as many jobs after the stimulus package - and we did lose those jobs before the stimulus package. Why do you deny this fact as a 'left wing plot'? You guys have not been able to defend any of your positions with actual facts/numbers/empirical evidence.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
We did quite well for over a 130 years without a central bank. Let the parameters of education be tested in 50 different states. The single imposed indoctrination of the left has produced one generation of illiterate fools after another for the last 50 years. Mexico is getting rid of it's undesirables by sending them north and pumping up their economy at our expense while doing so. This isn't an immigration policy; its an invasion of a hostile foreign army. You haven't refuted anything. As for politicians and laziness, Democrats and Rino's both pay able-bodied people to sit on their asses and feel sorry for themselves over the past instead of telling them to prepare for their future. Trouble is, most welfare types don't want a future you have to work for. They want a free ride.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Translation: You are an idiot. I work with spreadsheets daily. Its the info you left wingers put into them that I object to.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Stop holding up information of disrepute as definitive. You post partisan spin and demand it be taken as factual.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
LOL! It is clear to me for some time now that the right wingers engage in "truthiness" which is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts. That is why you say stuff like "We did quite well for over a 130 years without a central bank" - a truthiness assumption - and not know of these episodes in American history: Panic / Depression of 1819 Panic / Depression of 1837 The end of the Second Bank of the United States had produced a period of runaway inflation, but in May 10, 1837 in New York City, when every bank began to accept payment only in specie (gold and silver coinage), forcing a dramatic, deflationary backlash. The Panic was followed by a five-year depression, with the failure of banks and then-record-high unemployment levels. Panic of 1873 aka Long Depression aka Great Depression of 1873–79 Panic / Depression of 1893 (Until the Great Depression, the Panic of '93 was considered the worst depression the United States had ever experienced.) Panic / Depression of 1896 Panic / Depression of 1907 Panic / Depression of 1910–1911 Great Depression 1929
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You can't claim it to be so without your counter chart. Then the two can be compared - including sources - and we can see who is correct. You don't do that - you just dismiss it because your hand is weak.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The effects of most of those recession/depressions were localized and had varying degrees of severity. Centralized banking has only ensured the entire nation feels the pinch equally hard. FDR multiplied the Great Depression ten fold by signing the Hawley-Smoot tariff act. He was another big centralization cheer leader.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
No. We were agrarian based in the past so no one starved to death by being poor living on a subsistence level when the economic effects were wide ranging. There was a reason people were barefoot and their clothes had patches in those old pictures you see.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
4Q GDP numbers are out today, here's more data to make Rudgear's day: Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
truthiness.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Why do you deny this fact as a 'left wing plot'? truthiness. Falling back, he relies on the old Hail Mary play: straw man!
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
LOL. Yeah, quite predictable. Like the old Loony Tunes I used to watch, when I was a kid... at the end of every episode, the final shot was "that's all, folks!" As soon as go56 wheels out the straw man, that image goes through my head... 'Cause it means he's trapped and desperate. You keep holding their feet to the fire, and pushing the lies right back on 'em, and they'll bozo you too... They do NOT like someone who stays on-track, and uses facts. Drives 'em NUTS.
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
They're already nuts.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
We all know your head is empty, Eric. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Yours isn't. It's full of DNC talking points, Marxist dogma and outright lies.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Not really. Thanks for trying to think though.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You're funny. Now vanish.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Hmmm, so you are saying that unemployment was lower under Clinton, even though tax rates were higher? Wow, I never thought I'd see you accept the fact that there's an inverse correlation between tax rates and unemployment.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Hmmmmm. Nothing on the graph about Clinton. Project much?
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
You are either a totalitarian propagandist or a blithering idiot. In either case, no one should pay any attention to you.
HERE'S what you're looking for.... Reality is in blue, government propaganda is in red. Of course, go56 will either ignore it or attack it with invective, but he most certainly will not be able to refute it, without resorting to the propaganda...
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
Thanks. Posting info contrary to the party line of Godwinson and go65 will generate 50 or 60 spam posts. I drove go65 off the board earlier when h tried to push a global warming scam article from CU. I pointed out that it was embroiled in the Ward Churchill scandal. Never heard back. That and he's aping the 'peer reviewed' and 'do you have a PhD' talking points from Godwinson. He couldn't comment on peer reviewed product from Ward Churchill's place of business.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Why do you assume I support the lies the American govt tells you - Dems and Repubs? It is you defending the policies of the last govt in power - the Bush one - where clearly your own figures show a disaster. Also, you should ping the person you are talking about - how will we see the chart to comment on it? I am against outsourcing - I think it proves the American business community are traitors who sell out their own people for a buck made in China. It is my assumption you 2 eric and rud who were defending the business community, the richers, who raped this nation blind so they could make a buck. It is you who called the unemployed lazy and blamed them for their own condition and lack of wealth. It is you who are defending the fact that 1% of the American population controls 4/5th of the wealth in this country while the rest live off the 1/5th crumbs the rick piss down - excuse me - trickle down to the rest. It is you who allow this condition by allowing the GOP to play dog whistle politics so they can get you guys riled up by flag burning or black rappers or whatever angers Archie Bunker types to support the GOP so that when in power the GOP carries out more wealth transfers to the 1%. I am not excusing the Dems - they carried water for the Wall Street bankers under Obama - but seeing that - having you types call Obama a "Commie" is laughable. It shows me that as bad as the two party frauds are you GOP types are worse because you are delusional like that. At least the progressives in the Democratic party know Obama betrayed them. That shows me progressives have a handle on reality. What is your excuse? Thanks for proving through your unemployment chart that America's post Reagan - anti govt oversight - anti govt regulation of businesses along with their union busting caused a massive bloodletting in American jobs that saw a decline in the wealth of 99% of the population who were suckered into buying the trickle down fraud. You want to have a conversation based on exchange of views without resorting to your ad homonym attacks? Let's go then. Let me see you defend this failed ideology with facts.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
#1. 59 to go.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
It is you who are defending the Bush years. The Obama years were after the fact of the Bush collapse. In that regard the Bush collapse had roots earlier in the deregulation ethos that took hold in the 80s under Reagan and I think also under Carter. I even can say this goes back to Nixon when our economy was in such trouble we needed price controls. The solution taken was to blame the New Deal because the claim was the New Deal was putting a brake on stuff so slowly the dimanteled the system starting in earnest under Reagan through to Bush - Clinton - Bush. Instead of following an established 'social market (which is not socialist) which was successful in Europe we went the direction of unregulated capitalism and we collapsed. That's the crux of the argument I present. The rest is you guys trying to defend your tribal corners.....
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
#2. I do not defend the Bush years. I try (foolishly) to get you to see your Democrats are the same, if not worse. I told you before, when you wake to the fact both parties are the same, then you will have achieved wisdom. Bring on the other 58.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
The neocon Republicans have let you down so you handle your disappointment by painting everyone with a broad brush?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
I'm not a neocon. Now who's painting with a broad brush?
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Conservatives ain't what they used to be before neocons infiltrated their ranks.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Do you just argue to argue?
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
You suck at what you're attempting to do.
And the sheep will bleat their submission, Burma Shave.
Do you just argue to argue? All shills do.
And the sheep will bleat their submission, Burma Shave.
I am not a Democrat. The fact your clique keeps seeing this as a Democrat vs Republican to me shows your world view is influenced by talk show radio to the point you can't imagine a political ideology different from either or a little of this or that.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Oh, just shut up already. You give me a headache.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Rewarding.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
They are blinded by their consensus-based decision-making process. It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong. All they care about is that THEY think they're right... AKA "group-think." If you want a good example of group-think, simply look at the shuttle Challenger disaster... They're after that sort of thing, on a global scale.
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
From a post to Eskimo: It's like that PC-version of mathematics they were teaching in the grade schools for years, called "New-New Math." [If you google it, you'll find plenty to make your blood boil...] Anyway, New-New Math has a simple premise: it doesn't matter if you get the right answer, as long as you feel GOOD about it... ... They [leftists] exhibit the incongruent characteristics of in-your-face elitism, with a shocking level of ignorance. They really don't give a shit about the truth, they don't care about facts, and they aren't interested in learning, because THEY believe they know enough to judge on any subject, at any time. And once they've made their conclusions- even if they're shockingly flawed- they refuse to change... they don't want to take the chance of being embarrassed or sad, because they got the wrong answer. So they'll *stick* with the wrong answer, and feel GOOD about it... It gives them a feeling of smugness and self-righteously complacency. So when go56 or godwinson or ... whomever... gets on, and starts pushing the leftist agenda, they will not back down, no matter how wrong they may be. Stubbornly clinging to fantasy, so that they can feel GOOD about themselves, is all they care about, no matter how delusional their statements may be. The only tactic that works with them, is to be shouted down. If they cannot keep restating their flawed position, if they're attacked every time they lie, if they exposed for the pschological misfits that they truly are, they will eventually skulk away, because being attacked constantly deprives them of their offensive self-satisfaction. That is why they use this tactic on others (shouting people down), because it works on THEM. You ever listen to a radio talk-show, when a leftist calls in? You notice how they keep talking, NEVER stop, even when they're trapped into a corner, and can't get out...? They think that being aggressive in their arguments (even if the arguments are patently false), pure bravado will win the day for them... [In the same way, they foolishly believe such tactics will work here, and that's why choose to attack anyone whose factual data refutes their position. When that tactic fails, they will then resort to the bozo filter (if you've not done so already), and then start bitching at other forums about US, at this forum... Because we're not responding as THEY would respond. There are two main philosophies in the area of qualitative research: Positivists generally assume that reality is objectively given and can be described by measurable properties which are independent of the observer. Interpretive researchers start out with the assumption that access to reality (given or socially constructed) is only through social constructions such as language, consciousness and shared meanings. I'm most definitely in the positivist segment, while the leftists gravitate to the "interpretivist" camp, because they believe that a shared consensus of perceived reality- even if radically different from observable, measureable reality- is equally valid. I am working on my doctorate- and dealing with a LOT of the "interpretivist" crowd. And honestly, I'm so SICK of their consensus- driven horse-shit...
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
Actually I think he/she is rather good at it and it is really pissing you off. {{{chuckle}}}
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
That's what proves you're one stupid motherfucker.
And the sheep will bleat their submission, Burma Shave.
Their mental weakness makes them lash out like children.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Suck my dick, cowardly shill.
And the sheep will bleat their submission, Burma Shave.
BTW, cocksucker, you metrosexual attribute to not address me directly but rather through your rump-ranger buddy is noted, faggot. Let me know when you grow the balls for a one on one, pussy.
And the sheep will bleat their submission, Burma Shave.
It's obvious to me that you don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. You are just regurgitating the communist nonsense you so gladly accept because it fits in with your class status envy. You are so blinded by this you can't even see the middle class,or are so confused you think the middle class are poor. Which I guess really is possible if you have never seen poor people and how they live. One of the hallmarks of banana republics, says the NYT's Nicholas Kristof, is income inequality. Brilliant insight! Just FREAKING BRILLIANT! Others are that the people drink water,they eat food,some are males,some are females,and the sun rises in the east and sets in the west on all of them. Let's see,now. How long have the communists been parroting this line now? Didn't it start in the early 1900's? The richest 1 percent of Americans now take home almost 24 percent of income, up from almost 9 percent in 1976. And the OTHER 99% STILL have a better standard of living that anybody in any socialist shithole anywhere in the world. As Timothy Noah of Slate noted in an excellent series on inequality, SLATE? On inequality??????? ROFLMAO! This just keeps getting funnier and funnier. the United States now arguably has a more unequal distribution of wealth than traditional banana republics like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana. BullBarack! BTW,those countries are some of your socialist/communist shitholes. The author should try fixing them before braying that nonsense in print. BTW,the voters voted the communists OUT of power there,and even then the commie leader there that was so beloved by the NYC elitist crowd for his love of clothing as well as political fashion refused to move out of the mansion he had confiscated from the rightful owner when he became dictator. I guess Mick Jagger's ex-wife wasn't willing to buy him a new mansion because it would have cut into her private jet budget. C.E.O.’s of the largest American companies earned an average of 42 times as much as the average worker in 1980, but 531 times as much in 2001. Remind me again,comrade. Who OWNS and manages the freaking companies,the owners or the workers? Who is primarily responsible for the wealth to start with,including the wealth paid out as wages? Since many of the workers had trouble managing the 8th grade,I think we all know the answers,don't we? Perhaps the most astounding statistic is this: From 1980 to 2005, more than four-fifths of the total increase in American incomes went to the richest 1 percent. Figure don't lie,but liars do figure. I would LOVE to see a breakdown on this brain fart.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Absolutely! I have always said the foundation of communism is personal greed combined with laziness and a lack of self-respect and ambition. When you root right down to the core of it,what they want is for the government to punish the "wealthy" for the Cardinal Sin of having "more than me." This is because they NEVER consider themselves to be rich even if that have Oprah Money. The "Wealthy" they want the government to punish is anybody that makes ONE dollar a week more than they do. They want the government to take that dollar away so nobody is more successful than they are. NOBODY is more class-conscious than a communist. Most likely because they recognize deep down that THEY have no class themselves and resent anybody that shows them up for the slugs they are.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Nanny Gubmint! Nanny Gubmint! Make the bad mans share! WAHHHH! WAHHHHH! WAHHHHHH! Guess what,Sparky? Your mama lied to you. Life ain't fair,and you really AIN'T the smartest and bestest looking boy in the whole wide world. Do NOT expect government to correct the limitations Mother Nature laid on your shoulders.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Good, that's just what your masters want you to think. Don't tell us,let us guess. You are too clever to fall for it,right?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No,he was a commie because he wanted cheaper white blonde whores to beat on.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No,he was a commie because he wanted cheaper white blonde whores to beat on. If Jesus came back and preached the same message today, he's be a commie too. Jesus may have been the world's first commie beyond the tribal level.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The scary thing is you really do believe that nonsense. I hope you get well one day. Seriously.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Communism IS a religion.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No,because Obama is merely the latest Bush incarnation. This started with Poppy Bush,and has gotten worse every year since that evil bastard was elected. The current traitor in the White House is just the most recent "Bush",Bush 4.0.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Created by "wage and price controls" President Nixon.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The ONLY jobs government is capable of creating is more government jobs. And even then they use taxpayer money to create and administer the jobs. Government has NO money of it's own. ALL their money comes from the international bankers they borrow the money from to meet the needs of the government. The tax money they collect goes to pay the bankers. The only jobs created were more government jobs.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You do realize you are asking a socialist to do his own thinking instead of demanding the collective to do it for him,right?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
PREACH IT! The key is getting rid of the Federal Reserve. Nothing else will be possible until that is done.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Oh,BullBarack! It's just like those bogus polls you idiots are always producing. Full of pretty colors and pictures,and entirely lacking in substance. There is not even the slightest hint of how they numbers were acquired,what they mean,how they compare to the numbers and population bases of other countries,or even what they mean in THIS country. They are HEADLINE charts,graphs,and polls. Nothing more. All bun,no meat. Just one glaring example is there no mention of the annual income of typical working class American. You want people to look at the incomes of multi-billionaires and compare them to the typical American worker without giving out any information on the wage scales of the typical America worker. Are we supposed to feel sorry for the typical lower 6 figure income American working family because some other family earns 10 or more times as much? You socialist/communist/fascist fools are always destined to be unhappy because you ALWAYS focus on what other people have instead of appreciating what you have. Your own greed and envy destroy any attempt at happiness you would ever have had.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It's the LACK of information on the polls and graphs they put out that bothers me. A bunch of us caught CNN rigging a gun control poll back in the early 90's. We even took screen shots to document it. CNN had a poll set up about gun control. When it didn't go the way they wanted,they took it down for a day or so to "correct the technical problems" When it came back online it was set up so that a "against gun control" vote was logged in as being "FOR gun control". When we started posting screen shots that showed how the numbers had been reveresed in less than 48 hours and proved it was a fraudulent poll,they took it down without comment and froze the thread so no more posts could be make to it. As their idol used to say,"It doesn't matter who votes. What matters is who counts the votes."
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ahhhh,the sweet irony of watching you leftist class warriors gird your loins to fight for the rights and profits of the international bankers! It's really hard to believe that some people actually think you are naive and hypocritical,ain't it?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What? WHAT? WHAT? Where is the international solidarity? The love for your fellow man? The civility instead of the insults? Your very "We iz da wurldism"? Frankly,I am disappointed in you,comrade!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
If there is a difference it is so minuted you would have to use a microscope to spot it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The greatest economic down turns in American history occurred after the Federal Reserve was created, including the The Depression of 1920–21, The Great Depression, the inflationary recession (which Keynesians said was impossible) of the Carter years, and the current Great Recession. The Federal Reserve was responsible for them all. Most of the economic downturns of the 19th century were caused by poor monetary policy as well. The Depression of 1819 was caused by government expansionist monetary policies to fund the war of 1812. Which the U.S. central bank later over-corrected by severely contracting the money supply. The panic of 1873 occurred due to a worldwide fall in the demand for silver started when Germany abandoned silver in favor of gold. The U.S. had a dual metals standard with a fixed exchange rate between silver and gold. Fixed exchange rates don't work because they don't account for variability in the supply of each each commodity. More silver was being mined than gold so people start hoarding gold while using silver for transactions. Most of the silver was being mined in the U.S. The drop in demand for silver forced the U.S. to pass the Coinage Act of 1873 which got rid of the dual metal standard in favor of a gold standard. The act further depressed silver prices and reduced the supply of money in the U.S. (because silver was no longer money) and caused interest a sharp increase in interest rates. The Depression of 1893 was also caused by poor monetary policy, namely the Sherman Silver Act of 1990. The bottom line is that lousy government monetary policies have been the cause of most economic downturns.
You and I are in 100% agreement on this one. It benefits nobody but the Chinese and the international globalist bankers. It is you who are defending the fact that 1% of the American population controls 4/5th of the wealth in this country while the rest live off the 1/5th crumbs the rick piss down - excuse me - trickle down to the rest. Why do you spend so much time in angst over what someone else has? You would be better off spending more time focusing on what you have and what you want. It is you who allow this condition by allowing the GOP to play dog whistle politics so they can get you guys riled up by flag burning or black rappers or whatever angers Archie Bunker types to support the GOP so that when in power the GOP carries out more wealth transfers to the 1%. Ok,Buckwheat,here is where you train leaves the tracks again. Why is all of the above evil when a formal member of the Bush Crime Family does it,but just peachy-keen when Acting President Soetoro (Bush 4.0) not only does the same things,but EXPANDS on them? Enquiring minds,and all dat. I am not excusing the Dems - Except,you are. You remind me greatly of the Bush Bots that were so full of outrage of the "treason of Bill Clinton" for selling the Chinese missile technology,but strangly silent or even approving when Boy Jorge got into office and did the same and more. call Obama a "Commie" is laughable I agree. He is a fascist. Assuming of course he is even bright enough to know what a fascist is. Which is in doubt. IMHO,he is barely smart enough to know where the money comes from,and anything much beyond that has him having "Kennedy Moments". After all,Joe Biden is the perfect replacement for for him,except Uncle Joe is slightly smarter. True,the same can be said about the typical snail darter,but facts iz facts. At least Uncle Joe is with the class of snail darters that didn't go to the "special" classes. It shows me that as bad as the two party frauds are you GOP types are worse because you are delusional like that. You calling someone else delusional is akin to Helen Thomas calling somebody else "ugly". At least the progressives in the Democratic party know Obama betrayed them. That shows me progressives have a handle on reality. Now,THERE'S a real howler! Are you trying to get me to hit the humor ping list? So-called "progressives" and reality don't even exist in the same universe. You live in some sort of bizarro world where communism is a progressive movement.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ok,you have finally done it. You have posted a response that is 100% correct. Are you feeling well?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Really? Isn't he trying to make so-called "progressives" look like the clueless fools they really are? I personally think he's doing a bang-up job of doing this.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Then tell your Democrat buddies to fix the convoluted tax and regulatory system in the U.S. We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world and the most complex regulatory regime.
He,not. He's a Euroweenie globalist/socialist/communist/fascist. Depending where on that Evolutionary Chain he happens to be at the moment. He just loves to defend the Dims because they are closer to his heart,and conservatives scare him with all that talk about self-reliance.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The envious man thinks that if his neighbor breaks a leg, he will be able to walk better himself -- Helmut Schoeck
Bookmarking self-ping. I've had a fine time amusing myself here this morning,but it's warm enough to do things outside now so I'm off to do more important things. Be back later.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You got me on that one.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
Here’s How John Paulson Made $5 Billion Last Year Some of Paulson’s personal share in his funds must come from the $4 billion he made going short against the subprime mortgage bubble in 2007. blogs.forbes.com/robertle...made-5-billion-last-year/ The median household income in the United States is $46,326. Here in California people have a hard time understanding that yes, 50 percent of our population live on $46,000 or less a year. Even today, all the elixirs and remedies being thrown around fail to focus on income and the big brother of income, solid employment. Dual earner households have a higher median income at $67,348. www.mybudget360.com/how-m...household-income-numbers/ Your typical working American family's income with two earners is $67,348 a year, compare that to John Paulson's $5 Billion. Less than 20% of American families earn "the typical lower 6 figure income" or above.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Just think of the mental and nervous energy he spend to prop up the collapsing tent of communist/fascist outlook. If he (I'm assuming the poster is a he) spent even a fraction of that energy stepping out of his hothouse he might find enough to keep him occupied to mind his own business.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
I thought it was sparked by easy credit and its concomitant housing bubble in the UK.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Mike, tell your kook friend Pete to take his old people meds. If there was any reason to think I misjudged Pete - that is gone.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I don't comprend old people kook talk, pete. After you take your old people meds try replying again and I can figure out what your saying.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You misjudge everyone, tiny.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.
You can see from the list that is not true - what may have eased the other economic downturns was the availability of free land we killed the Indians for. After the frontier lands were all claimed up it is no surprise that the Great Depression lingered for so long without the availability of free land to mitigate the crisis for the American people. There is no industrialized nation on earth that does not have a central bank of some sort. You may not like the Fed - and I don't either - but if your arguing the USA should have no sort of federal banking structure then that is economic kook talk akin to wanting dollars backed by gold again.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Because the rich STOLE their new wealth. You are acting as if the majority of the rich were smarter or faster than the American serfs that work for them and that is why they are richer. The fact that the rich in the last 20 years got richer at levels not seen since the days of the robber barons and the 99% of the population has had their wages stagnate or reduced (under threat of offshoring, firing) is a sign that the wealth transfer is not based on merit but on theft. But the rich can still sway people with the myth about how their wealth is due to a meritocracy and that is why they are richer than normal.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You should be honest and not make such big bogus claims. I will play though. How so?
What lies. We have more regulation than Communist China? Japan? We have more taxes and regulations that Western Europe? - than Germany they are still an exporting powerhouse? Where German unions are as powerful and healthy as ever? You want a nation without taxes and regulations - see Somalia and Haiti.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You want a general reading list? Start here: http://ameslevinelist.com/
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
No I want you to tell me how the rich stole their wealth. Just give me say 5 examples for starters. Thanks.
sneakypete: Ok,you have finally done it. You have posted a response that is 100% correct. Are you feeling well? It HAD to happen eventually... ;)
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
You really are a know-nothing ideologue. Know-nothing. Germany's corporate tax rate is 15%. Ours ranges from 15% to 39.6%. Their individual income tax rate is much less progressive than ours. They have a huge jump in rates (from 14% to 42%) at $52,000 and a tiny increase in rates (from 42% to 45%) at $250,000 ($500,000 for married couples). That's it. American has the highest corporate tax rates in the world. We also have one of the most progressive income tax systems in the world. These are the facts. They are in conflict with your Know-Nothing ideology.
I've been to China (Hong Kong, Beijing, and Shanghai). In many ways, China is more capitalistic than the U.S. In other ways, the system is very arbitrary and non- transparent, especially with regards to foreign companies. Regardless, the government does not interfere on a daily basis with businesses to the same degree that the do here. It's not even close.
Ok you have no examples. Typical liberal.
So you support German socialism then?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I posted many examples. Take time to read them. Ignorance is not a virtue.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You posted a link to someone elses idea. Are you not capable of debating and coming up something yourself? Propaganda isn't an example.
I absolutely support cutting U.S. corporate tax rates in half so we can be competitive with Germany and China.
I posted several links to books on the subject. You need to read.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Are you now pro labor union and 'socialized' health care along German lines? I came on here arguing for the superiority of the German social market and now you agree with me. Face it, America's business philosophy, capitalism, health care system, militarism is all inferior to the social market model. Some more German tax info - and Germany can export manufacturing at record levels with all these taxes and with powerful trade unions in the mix. So what's America's excuse? Your thesis that the American worker unionizing is not the reason American businesses are moving over seas- greed is. Your thesis that taxes and regulations are the reasons America businesses are leaving is correct - but they are doing so because America's rich owners are greedy bastards and traitors to her people who unlike the Germans - care more about stuffing their portfolios than making their country strong. You Republican filth carry their water for them under this stupid philosophy that greed is good and if Americans live like wage slaves then the business masters may throw us unworthy serfs a bone. Can you water carriers for the oligarchs explain how Germany can be an exporting power house, while maintaining universal health care, an active labor union, and no banking crisis by doing things the opposite of what Rush Limbough champions? The rate of income tax in Germany ranges from 0% to 45%. The German income tax is a progressive tax, As of 1 January 2008, Germany’s corporation tax rate is 15%. Counting both the solidarity surcharge (5.5% of corporation tax) and trade tax (averaging 14% as of 2008), tax on corporations in Germany is just below 30%. On top of income tax, the so-called solidarity surcharge (Solidaritaetszuschlag) is levied at a rate of 5.5% of the income tax for higher incomes. Up to €972 (€1,944 for married couples) annual income tax, no solidarity surcharge is levied. Above this threshold, the solidarity surcharge rate increases continuously until it reaches 5.5% when the annual income tax is €1,340.69 (€2,681.38 for married couples). When dividends are paid to an individual person, capital yield tax at a rate of 25% is charged. Since 1 January 2009, this tax is final for individuals who are residents of Germany. Solidarity surcharge is also imposed on capital yields tax. Entrepreneurs engaging in business operations are subject to trade tax as well as income tax/corporation tax. In contrast to the latter, trade tax is charged by the local authorities, who are entitled to the entire amount. The rate levied is fixed by each local authority separately within the range of rates prescribed by the central government. As from 1 January 2008, the rate averages 14% of profits subject to trade tax.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Don't be stupid. We are here to debate not you to hand out reading assignments because you talked shit and can't back it up.
U.S. States levy corporate income taxes as well -- as much as 12%. The fact remains that federal corporate income taxes in Germany are 15%. They are 39.6% in the U.S. Both countries also levy corporate taxes at the provincial level as well. The U.S. has the highest corporate tax rates in the world. We also have the most progressive tax system on individuals. Know-nothing leftists like you don't get it.
We would need the same reference points to debate. I find the right wing hates learning.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
What I find funny is you types screaming about socialist Europe and now I tricked you into admitting Socialist Europe is superior. Because as you remember I came on here first and openly declared the European social market model (Christian democracy) to be superior. And now you agree you want to copy 'socialist' Germany. Thank you. That was very gratifying.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You're a real hoot. What's really happened here is that I showed you that as Europe (and the entire rest of the world) have been moving towards lower taxes and markets while the U.S. continues to lurch towards socialism. The U.S. now has the highest corporate income rates in the world and the most progressive tax system. You know-nothing leftists just don't get it. You have this mental image of Sweden in the 1970s which is no longer true. You continue to push for policies in the U.S. that the Swedes, Germans, Chinese, Russians and just about everyone else has rejected. It's time to grow up and face reality.
The US is more socialist now than Europe? LOL! You right wingers are a hoot.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Don't blame me if you can't deal with the truth.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You,you,AGEIST,YOU! I'm going to have big brother gubbermint arrest you for non-PC talk.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You can't even get THAT right! Have you ever been right about anything? After swapping massacres with the British,they PAID my people to leave eastern NC in the early 1700's. I bet the next thing you come up with is the white man is responsible for slavery.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And it makes you jealous beyond all belief. So jealous,you want to use the power of government to steal it back. And the whole time the dirty little truth is you wish you had the balls to steal on your own instead of having the government do your stealing for you?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yes.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Then why do you keep bragging about it?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Pete, I picked up one of these today, still has original leather strap, for $200.00.
OK, I won't feel sorry for you, I promise!
Actually, that isn't true and either you know it or YOU are the one that is ignorant. Germany's corporate tax rate averages 29.8%; the US, 35%. India's corporate tax rate is 33.2175%, and Japan's rate is 40.69%. As for "most progressive tax system on individuals" - you must mean something other than I think you mean because that isn't even close to being true. Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
If it's got a good bore and the headspace checks out,you got a hell of a deal. BTW,don't assume just because the bolt and the receiver have the same serial number (if they do) that the headspace is correct. Get it checked by a competent gunsmith before trying to fire it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Good. I don't need it and don't want it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
They do. Get it checked by a competent gunsmith before trying to fire it. Definitely.
Correction: Serial numbers on the bolt and receiver DO NOT match. It appears I have 1 serial number on the receiver, a different one on the bolt, a third on the safety and a fourth on the stock. According to this site: www.mauser98k.internetdsl.pl/kodyen.html the receiver, at least, is a byf 43 manufactured in 1943 by Mauser Oberndorf. Damn. Still, it should be fun to own and shoot, after it's checked out. I know the stock is laminate and has been sanded.
It appears that with the number stamp on the stock it may have been a Russian capture?
It appears I have 1 serial number on the receiver, a different one on the bolt, a third on the safety and a fourth on the stock. That's more common than not. When the Germans lost the wars their weapons were disassembled and parts stored in different places. When they came up for surplus sale the bulk buyers bought them by the case and barrels (literally barrels,not rifle barrels) after bidding by pound per container,and had guys sitting around in their warehouses with "field" gauges matching bolts to receivers with no regard whatsoever for matching numbers. One other thing you really need to watch with surplus military weapons. You need to check firing pin protrusion. The military does a LOT of dry-firing to prove the weapons are unloaded and safe,and when you do this to excess the firing pins tend to "grow" longer. I have even seen some that had the firing pin hole in the bolt face enlarged to the point where it had to be bushed.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Germany's corporate tax rate averages 29.8%; the US, 35%. India's corporate tax rate is 33.2175%, and Japan's rate is 40.69%. Look at the chart you linked to. What does it say? 2005. Germany's corporate tax rate was cut to 15% in 2008. Japan's corporate tax rate was cut to 30% in 2009. In addition, OECD made it very clear in 2008 that the U.S. has the most progressive tax system in the world. Do you even know what "progressive taxes" mean? Given that I posted the data from OECD and you still huff and puff, it's obvious that you don't have a clue. I've told you this many times before -- you can't just quickly Google something and expect to come up with the right answer. You either the subject matter or you don't. You just don't. I do know the subject matter. Unlike you, I'm a numbers person, not an ideologue. I don't posts things that aren't factually correct.
Self-described "progressives" don't even know what "progressive" means in the political context. It's a code word for "communist",and they will deny it with their dying breath because they just can't bear to face the truth.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The World's Highest Corporate Tax Rates 2010 5. Germany Combined Corporate Income Tax Rate: 30.18% Last Three Rate Changes 2. United States Combined Corporate Income Tax Rate: 39.21% Recent Rate Changes 1. Japan Combined Corporate Income Tax Rate: 39.54% Last Three Rate Changes www.cnbc.com/id/30727913/...te_Tax_Rates_2010?slide=1 The tax rates listed here are “combined corporate income tax rates,” a number that includes both national and local levies. When you state the US corporate tax rate as 39.6%, you are providing a “combined corporate income tax rate” as stated above. The federal corporate income tax rate is 35% (statutory), and around 25-27% (effective).
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
jwpegler is kind of proves that the right wing talking points on Europe and their evil "socialism" is in fact bogus to the point they get caught praising Germany's system when before they can be attacking it as 'socialist'.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
It must be very confusing for them.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
It must be very confusing for them. Not only is it confusing to these so called "conservatives" it is down right anti-American because they don't take the side of the American worker. They take the side of the corporation which cares little about the USA. They defend the corporation/business entity for killing American jobs over a couple of % of profit, their position states that the laws of the USA are worse than the laws of despotic China. Their position advocates for working conditions in America to be as hellish as they are in Red China. Why? Because the business community wants it that way and thus we should all live like slaves in third world countries. They advocate for the pollution of land, they advocate for the breaking of unions so there can be no ability for a worker to redress a wrong done to him. They want tyranny. They are in fact TRAITORS to their fellow Americans. Up to what point will they say that the corporation/business communities demands have gone too much? These so called American "conservatives" are the direct enemy of traditional true conservative ideology as practiced by the Christian democratic political movement. They are in fact the scum of the earth, anti-christs in fact, and should be treated as such.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
They like free trade and open borders too. 3.4 Free Trade and Migration We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. http://www.lp.org/platform If you can't bring the jobs to the cheap labor than you can bring cheap labor to the jobs.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
I think if I had to pick just one word to best describe you,it would be "delusional".
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You have a serious reading comprehension problem. You think Europe is stuck in the 1970s. It's not. They are backing away from their socialist programs while we are RUSHING headlong toward socialism in the U.S. Germany LOWERED their corporate tax rates two years ago. Germany is CUTTING government spending. TODAY, Germany has LOWER corporate tax rates than the U.S. TODAY, Germany has a far LESS progressive tax system than the U.S. However, the AVERAGE German individual (not corporations) pays higher taxes than their U.S. counterparts BECAUSE they reach almost their top tax rate at $52,000 in income. In other words, the U.S. SOAKS THE RICH while Germany SOAKS the Middle class. OVERALL Germany DOES NOT have a freer economy than the U.S., largely because of Hitler-era labor laws. However, Switzerland DOES. CLEAR?
5. Germany -- Combined Corporate Income Tax Rate: 30.18% Combined = federal and state together. 2. United States -- Combined Corporate Income Tax Rate: 39.21% That's the FEDERAL corporate tax rates. States levy corporate taxes as well. Most are between 6% and 10%. Iowa's is 12%. But you can deduct states taxes from your income before applying the corporate rate, so you can't just add the corporate rate and state rate to come up with the total. I will research the Japanese numbers some more. The Japanese economy has been in a rolling recession since the early 1900s. Regardless of whether the U.S. has the highest or second highest corporate tax rates in the world, it's still a huge problem. Let's look at other corporate tax rates: Sweden -- 28%; U.K. -- 28%; Italy -- 27%; South Korea - 27%; Finland - 26%; Netherlands - 25%; Austria - 25%; Denmark - 25%; Switzerland - 21%; The U.S. needs to slice it's corporate tax rates in half.
Latest evidence: The U.S. now definitely has the very highest corporate tax rates in the world. December 2010 The Japanese prime minister Naoto Kan ordered on December 13 a 5% reduction of the corporate tax in the next fiscal year according to Bloomberg. Currently the Japanese corporate tax , including local taxes, is around 40% well above the rate in other countries. The cutting of the corporate tax rate by 5% is the first step in Japan's effort to create an attractive investment environment. The tax cut will force Japan to find alternative resources to fill the expected revenue gap, e.g. by widening the corporate tax basis.
Germany LOWERED their corporate tax rates two years ago. Germany is CUTTING government spending. Again, I am playing with you dummies because Germany was never socialist. She has always adhered to the 'social market' of Christian democracy - which is not 'socialism'. Even France is not nor has it ever been socialist. But for some kooky reason to you American conservatives you call them socialist so I do too just to make fun of you. In any case Germany still has a pretty good universal health care system and they can do it cheaper and better than the private market (for the most part) American system.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
So why not adopt the German welfare state model then?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I doubt anyone here thinks Europe is stuck in the 70s. In other words, the U.S. SOAKS THE RICH while Germany SOAKS the Middle class. When the net worth of the top 20% is 85.1% of the total, I'd say the rich ain't being soaked enough. Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
I've been to Germany 25+ times on business. My mom was born in Germany. I still have an aunt who lives in Berlin. I never said Germany was "socialist" in the way that the Soviet Union or even Sweden were. "Social market" is a euphemism for huge welfare state, not government ownership. Asian countries generally don't have welfare states. The ones that have any government welfare programs have tiny ones. I much prefer Asia as a place to work than Europe. Now that Germany has cut corporate taxes and cut government spending, they have one HUGE problem left -- their hidebound labor markets which were created during the Nazi era. It takes about 2 years to get rid of a bad employee in Germany (I've had to do it, so I know). So, German companies also require employment contracts that require good employees to give SIX MONTHS notice to quit. It's a huge problem for creating and staffing new ventures. The major reason that there is any entrepreneurial activity in Germany at all, is that after reunification, the people in the East didn't have much of a choice. The point for the U.S. is that Germany, Sweden and much of the rest of Europe are cutting back on their "social market" nonsense while the U.S. is running towards it. That's a problem for us.
BS. Germany's economy is on fire.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
LOL. You are such a simpleton. It's real hoot reading your narrow little views of the world.
Sweden -- 28%; U.K. -- 28%; Italy -- 27%; South Korea - 27%; Finland - 26%; Netherlands - 25%; Austria - 25%; Denmark - 25%; Switzerland - 21%; The U.S. needs to slice it's corporate tax rates in half. Half or the statutory rate, or half of the effective rate of 25-27%. Last week, Forbes magazine published what the top U.S. corporations paid in taxes last year. “Most egregious,” Forbes notes, is General Electric, which “generated $10.3 billion in pretax income, but ended up owing nothing to Uncle Sam. In fact, it recorded a tax benefit of $1.1 billion.” thinkprogress.org/2010/04/06/exxon-tax/ What I think needs to be done is remove ALL subsidies and tax loopholes.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
German Exports, Consumption Drove Economic Growth ‘Golden Decade’ Unemployment fell below the three-million mark in October to the lowest in 18 years as companies stepped up hiring to meet foreign demand for goods including cars and machinery. Continental AG, Europe’s second-biggest car-parts maker, this month raised its 2010 forecasts for the second time after the auto-industry recovery helped the manufacturer report its third consecutive quarterly profit. “Looking ahead, the German economy is not only heading towards the best growth year since reunification, but is also at the beginning of what could become a golden decade,” said Brzeski. “Even the new sovereign debt woes and the Irish bailout should leave the German economy rather unharmed.” Does the USA perform like this? Which system is superior? Long Live the Welfare State!
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Top marginal rate
Hong Kong: Don't believe the hype. The healthcare debate in the US is being jeopardized by right-wing extremists who yammer that universal health care is socialism. Once again, they don't know what the hell they are talking about. Universal health care is a hallmark of fiscal conservatism. And the freest market economies of the world all have it. Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Does that mean you support progressive taxes?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
How many weeks?
By the next election cycle, Orlov figured, the United States would be in the throes of a "banana republic" such that the voters would exchange one inept political party for another inept political party while expecting different results.
#2. To: Godwinson (#1)
(Edited)
distribution of wealth
"It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange
#3. To: jwpegler (#2)
(Edited)
And the historical solution that the leftists always employ is to make every equally poor, except of course for the party apparatchiks who get to control everything.
#4. To: Brian S (#0)
Soon, he told Raw Story in an exclusive interview, Americans will "stop expecting anything of Washington,"
#5. To: Godwinson (#3)
Actually this statement of yours admits there is a problem - and trickle down supply side economics of the GOP made the 1% rich 4/5th richer and the rest of the 99% of the population gets to share the 5/5th crumbs.
#6. To: jwpegler (#2)
And the historical solution that the leftists always employ is to make every equally poor, except of course for the party apparatchiks who get to control everything.
#7. To: Ibluafartsky (#5)
Stop whining you commie bastard.
#8. To: lucysmom (#7)
Gandhi was a commie because he wanted Indians to determine their own fate, not the British.
#9. To: Ibluafartsky, capitalist eric (#5)
Stop whining you commie bastard.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#10. To: lucysmom (#6)
(Edited)
Good, that's just what your masters want you to think.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#11. To: jwpegler (#9)
#12. To: Capitalist Eric (#11)
he averages about 2 posts for every response he gets.
#13. To: jwpegler, lucysmom, Ibluafartsky (#10)
Joseph Stalin, Nicolae Ceauescu, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, and countless others... History is very clear on this. Very clear.
#14. To: Ibluafartsky, Capitalist Eric (#12)
he averages about 2 posts for every response he gets. How would you know, you pathetic dicklicker?
#15. To: Godwinson (#13)
America's wealth disparity makes America very USSR like since all the power and wealth resides in the top 1%.
#16. To: lucysmom (#7)
Gandhi was a commie because he wanted Indians to determine their own fate, not the British.
Most first event/emergence communist overthrows of nations goobs,kings etc,
begins with violence and ends with Millions getting slaughtered,...and I mean,...millions.
Unless these people are secret/open chaos/malthusians.
#17. To: Parrot with speed dial (#16)
#18. To: Rudgear (#15)
If you think you are not getting your fair share, educate yourself and make yourself more marketable to employers. Everyone else can do the same. Government has no place in assigning wealth quotas.
#19. To: Rudgear, godwinson (#15)
If you think you are not getting your fair share, educate yourself and make yourself more marketable to employers. Everyone else can do the same. Government has no place in assigning wealth quotas.
#20. To: Rudgear (#17)
You're right. Communism is the religion of the far left. To them, it has all the attributes, including ethics and morality.
They are like a virus which spreads resulting in complete violent madness.
They cheer to see people who have paid for their own land,...or own it via historic inheritance.
so ya,...in the USA,...landowners pushed off because of commie EPA,...or some fucking newt or smelt in the creek.
This is Russian/Chi Com communism where the state throws you off the land and will kill you if you are caught sneaking back onto it.
Americans would be horrified if they saw the maps the UN has to relocate and allocate land distribution.
Recent Global orgy in Cancun boasted about removing people off the land as an imperative.
#21. To: go65 (#19)
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
#22. To: Godwinson (#18)
#23. To: Parrot with speed dial, Godwinson, Go65 (#20)
#24. To: Rudgear (#21)
#25. To: Rudgear (#22)
(Edited)
Barry's had more than two years to address the problem. Done nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
#26. To: Parrot with speed dial (#24)
Its rumored Zero is going to appear on National teleprompter sheeple vision and urge Congress to gungrab in the next weeks.
#27. To: Rudgear (#21)
(Edited)
What has your boy done to put America back to work.
#28. To: go65 (#25)
#29. To: Parrot with speed dial, godwinson, rudgear (#20)
Communists use lies and deception.
FactChecking the GOP Response
Ryan and Bachmann made two new false claims, and repeated other talking points, in their responses to the president's State of the Union address.
We fact-checked President Obama’s State of the Union address, but what about the Republican response speeches? We found two new claims that we haven’t covered before:
In the official response, Rep. Paul Ryan said that "trust in government is at an all-time low now that the size of government is at an all-time high." He’s wrong on both counts. Trust has been lower, and government has been larger, in the past.
In her own rebuttal to Obama, Rep. Michele Bachmann said that the bailout cost "$700 billion." The net cost actually is estimated to be much less — $25 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
In addition, the two Republicans repeated several false and misleading charges we’ve already written about. Our readers will be familiar with many of them, such as claims that the stimulus didn’t create jobs (it did), that the health care law hurts job growth (experts say the impact will be small), and that "16,500 IRS agents" will enforce that law (that’s based on a flawed, partisan analysis).
#30. To: Rudgear (#28)
You can post all the slanted graphs you want, but media matters action org is a partisan organization. Everything they post is going through the spin.
#31. To: go65 (#29)
#32. To: go65 (#30)
Jan 27 In December 1,483 mass layoffs affected 137,992 workers, both down from November In December employers took 1,483 mass layoff actions involving 137,992 workers. Layoff events decreased to its lowest level since April 2008. Annual totals for 2010 events and initial claims declined from record levels reported in 2009.
#33. To: Rudgear, go65 (#22)
(Edited)
That's a rip off and with the use of the threat of off shoring the American employee is forced to shut up and take what ever crumbs are offered or else.
#34. To: Rudgear, go65 (#28)
You can post all the slanted graphs you want
#35. To: Godwinson (#33)
#36. To: Godwinson (#34)
#37. To: Rudgear (#36)
Translation: keep posting gentle spin cycle for the benefit of the uniformed. Left wing Democrats have not mastered reality or challenged their deepest held prejudices and are at a disadvantage.
#38. To: Capitalist Eric (#37)
#39. To: Rudgear, go65 (#35)
Solutions include getting rid of the Federal Reserve, securing the border with Mexico, simplifying the tax code, taking government out of education and turning back to the states. That's how much of a water carrier of oligarchs I am. You don't know me. You lash out because you keep getting your head handed to you,
#40. To: Rudgear, go65 (#36)
Translation:
#41. To: Rudgear, Capitalist Eric, go65 (#38)
I love how they defeat their own argument with every post they make.
#42. To: Godwinson (#39)
(Edited)
#43. To: Godwinson (#40)
#44. To: Godwinson (#41)
#45. To: Rudgear, go65 (#42)
We did quite well for over a 130 years without a central bank.
#46. To: Rudgear, go65 (#44)
Stop holding up information of disrepute as definitive. You post partisan spin and demand it be taken as factual.
#47. To: Godwinson (#45)
#48. To: Rudgear (#47)
(Edited)
The effects of most of those recession/depressions were localized and had varying degrees of severity.
#49. To: Godwinson, Rudgear (#46)
#50. To: Godwinson, rudgear (#41)
Why do you deny this fact as a 'left wing plot'?
#51. To: go65 (#49)
#52. To: go65 (#50)
To: Godwinson, rudgear
#53. To: Rudgear (#52)
Falling back, he relies on the old Hail Mary play: straw man!
#54. To: Capitalist Eric, Godwinson (#53)
Drives 'em NUTS.
#55. To: Capitalist Eric, Rudgear (#53)
that image goes through my head..
#56. To: Godwinson (#55)
#57. To: Rudgear (#56)
Yours isn't. It's full of DNC talking points, Marxist dogma and outright lies.
#58. To: Godwinson (#57)
#59. To: Rudgear (#51)
Lets look at unemployment in the Hussein years:
#60. To: go65 (#59)
#61. To: Godwinson (#13)
America very USSR
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#62. To: Rudgear (#60)
#63. To: Capitalist Eric (#62)
#64. To: Rudgear, Capitalist Eric, go65, lucysmom, sneakypete, Ferret Mike, Fred Mertz, A Pole, Abu el Banat, Brian S (#63)
Thanks. Posting info contrary to the party line of Godwinson and go65 will generate 50 or 60 spam posts.
#65. To: Godwinson (#64)
#66. To: Rudgear, Capitalist Eric, go65, lucysmom, sneakypete, Ferret Mike, Fred Mertz, A Pole, Abu el Banat, Brian S (#65)
(Edited)
#67. To: Godwinson (#66)
#68. To: Rudgear (#67)
I try (foolishly) to get you to see your Democrats are the same, if not worse.
#69. To: lucysmom (#68)
#70. To: Rudgear (#69)
I'm not a neocon.
#71. To: lucysmom (#70)
#72. To: Godwinson (#66)
Seeing the others as fools,
Not knowing nor even caring,
They've become no more than tools.
#73. To: Rudgear (#71)
To: lucysmom
Seeing the others as fools,
Not knowing nor even caring,
They've become no more than tools.
#74. To: Rudgear, Lucysmom (#67)
#2. I do not defend the Bush years. I try (foolishly) to get you to see your Democrats are the same,
#75. To: Godwinson (#74)
Blah blah blah blah blah blah . . .
#76. To: Rudgear (#75)
Oh, just shut up already. You give me a headache.
#77. To: Rudgear (#67)
I do not defend the Bush years. I try (foolishly) to get you to see your Democrats are the same, if not worse.
#78. To: Rudgear (#75)
#79. To: Wood_Chopper, Godwinson (#72)
You suck at what you're attempting to do.
#80. To: Brian S (#79)
(Edited)
Actually I think he/she is rather good at it and it is really pissing you off.
Seeing the others as fools,
Not knowing nor even caring,
They've become no more than tools.
#81. To: Brian S, Wood_Chopper (#79)
#82. To: Godwinson (#81)
(Edited)
Their mental weakness makes them lash out like children.
Seeing the others as fools,
Not knowing nor even caring,
They've become no more than tools.
#83. To: Godwinson (#81)
(Edited)
Their mental weakness makes them lash out like children.
Seeing the others as fools,
Not knowing nor even caring,
They've become no more than tools.
#84. To: Godwinson (#1)
The USA is already a "banana republic" in one regard, the wealth distribution disparity is much or greater than it was in Latin America back when they were all dictatorships.
#85. To: jwpegler (#2)
And the historical solution that the leftists always employ is to make every equally poor, except of course for the party apparatchiks who get to control everything.
#86. To: Godwinson (#3)
(Edited)
Actually this statement of yours admits there is a problem - and trickle down supply side economics of the GOP made the 1% rich 4/5th richer and the rest of the 99% of the population gets to share the 5/5th crumbs.
#87. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#6)
And the historical solution that the leftists always employ is to make every equally poor, except of course for the party apparatchiks who get to control everything.
#88. To: lucysmom (#7)
Martin Luther King was a commie when he worked for freedom for all Americans.
#89. To: lucysmom (#7)
Martin Luther King was a commie when he worked for freedom for all Americans.
#90. To: Godwinson (#13)
America's wealth disparity makes America very USSR like since all the power and wealth resides in the top 1%.
#91. To: Parrot with speed dial (#16)
Communism was supposed to be a better form than religion,
#92. To: go65 (#19)
But because of Obama there are no jobs right?
#93. To: Parrot with speed dial (#20)
so ya,...in the USA,...landowners pushed off because of commie EPA
#94. To: go65 (#25)
Given that we saw more private sector jobs created in the last 12 months than in the 8 years of Bush, facts aren't your friend.
#95. To: Rudgear, go65 (#31)
You really need to stay away from the pages that only tell you what you want to hear.
#96. To: Rudgear (#35)
Solutions include getting rid of the Federal Reserve, securing the border with Mexico, simplifying the tax code, taking government out of education and turning back to the states.
#97. To: Godwinson (#41)
go65 provided a graph proving his point and you guys have not. You lose.
#98. To: Rudgear (#43)
Its the info you left wingers put into them that I object to.
#99. To: Godwinson, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#45)
That is why you say stuff like "We did quite well for over a 130 years without a central bank" - a truthiness assumption - and not know of these episodes in American history:
#100. To: Godwinson, Capitalist Eric, Rudgear (#55)
We all know your head is empty, Eric.
#101. To: Rudgear (#56)
It's full of DNC talking points, Marxist dogma and outright lies.
#102. To: Godwinson (#45)
(Edited)
these episodes in American history
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#103. To: Godwinson (#64)
I am against outsourcing - I think it proves the American business community are traitors who sell out their own people for a buck made in China.
#104. To: lucysmom (#70)
Conservatives ain't what they used to be before neocons infiltrated their ranks.
#105. To: Wood_Chopper, Godwinson (#72)
You suck at what you're attempting to do.
#106. To: Godwinson (#64)
(Edited)
I am against outsourcing
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#107. To: Godwinson, Rudgear (#74)
I am not a Democrat.
#108. To: sneakypete (#103)
Why do you spend so much time in angst over what someone else has?
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#109. To: sneakypete, All (#107)
#110. To: sneakypete (#101)
If there is a difference it is so minuted you would have to use a microscope to spot it.
#111. To: sneakypete, GO65 (#97)
Are we supposed to feel sorry for the typical lower 6 figure income American working family because some other family earns 10 or more times as much?
#112. To: sneakypete, Godwinson (#107)
#113. To: jwpegler (#102)
The panic of 1873 occurred due to a worldwide fall in the demand for silver started when Germany abandoned silver in favor of gold.
#114. To: sneakypete, lucysmom, Ferret Mike (#88)
No,he was a commie because he wanted cheaper white blonde whores to beat on.
#115. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#97)
Oh,BullBarack!
#116. To: Godwinson (#114)
#117. To: jwpegler (#102)
The greatest economic down turns in American history occurred after the Federal Reserve was created, including the The Depression of 1920–21, The Great Depression, the inflationary recession (which Keynesians said was impossible) of the Carter years, and the current Great Recession. The Federal Reserve was responsible for them all.
#118. To: sneakypete (#103)
Why do you spend so much time in angst over what someone else has? You would be better off spending more time focusing on what you have and what you want.
#119. To: Godwinson (#118)
Because the rich STOLE their new wealth.
#120. To: jwpegler (#106)
Then tell your Democrat buddies to fix the convoluted tax and regulatory system in the U.S. We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world and the most complex regulatory regime
#121. To: A K A Stone (#119)
#122. To: Godwinson (#121)
You want a general reading list?
#123. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#104)
lucysmom: Conservatives ain't what they used to be before neocons infiltrated their ranks.
#124. To: Godwinson (#120)
(Edited)
What lies. We have more taxes and regulations that Western Europe? - than Germany they are still an exporting powerhouse?
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#125. To: Godwinson (#120)
We have more regulation than Communist China?
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#126. To: Godwinson (#121)
#127. To: jwpegler (#124)
Germany's corporate tax rate is 15%
#128. To: A K A Stone (#126)
#129. To: Godwinson (#128)
#130. To: Godwinson (#127)
(Edited)
Germany's corporate tax rate is 15%...
So you support German socialism then?
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#131. To: A K A Stone (#129)
You posted a link to someone elses idea.
#132. To: jwpegler, go65, lucysmom, Brian S, (#130)
Germany's corporate tax rate is 15%... So you support German socialism then? I absolutely support cutting U.S. corporate tax rates in half so we can be competitive with Germany and China.
#133. To: Godwinson (#131)
#134. To: Godwinson (#132)
(Edited)
trade tax is charged by the local authorities... As from 1 January 2008, the rate averages 14% of profits subject to trade tax.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#135. To: A K A Stone (#133)
Don't be stupid. We are here to debate not you to hand out reading assignments because you talked shit and can't back it up.
#136. To: jwpegler, A K A Stone, go65, lucysmom (#134)
(Edited)
The U.S. has the highest corporate tax rates in the world. We also have the most progressive tax system on individuals. Know-nothing leftists like you don't get it.
#137. To: Godwinson (#136)
tricked you into admitting Socialist Europe is superior.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#138. To: jwpegler (#137)
What's really happened here is that I showed you that as Europe (and the entire rest of the world) have been moving towards lower taxes and markets while the U.S. continues to lurch towards socialism. The U.S. now has the highest corporate income rates in the world and the most progressive tax system.
#139. To: Godwinson (#114)
Mike, tell your kook friend Pete to take his old people meds. If there was any reason to think I misjudged Pete - that is gone.
#140. To: Godwinson (#115)
I don't comprend old people kook talk, pete. After you take your old people meds try replying again and I can figure out what your saying.
#141. To: Godwinson (#117)
You can see from the list that is not true - what may have eased the other economic downturns was the availability of free land we killed the Indians for.
#142. To: Godwinson (#118)
Because the rich STOLE their new wealth.
#143. To: Godwinson (#120)
We have more regulation than Communist China? Japan?
#144. To: Godwinson (#128)
Ignorance is not a virtue.
#145. To: sneakypete (#144)
#146. To: sneakypete (#97)
Are we supposed to feel sorry for the typical lower 6 figure income American working family because some other family earns 10 or more times as much?
#147. To: jwpegler, Godwinson (#134)
The U.S. has the highest corporate tax rates in the world. We also have the most progressive tax system on individuals. Know-nothing leftists like you don't get it.
#148. To: We The People (#145)
#149. To: meguro (#146)
OK, I won't feel sorry for you, I promise!
#150. To: sneakypete (#148)
BTW,don't assume just because the bolt and the receiver have the same serial number (if they do) that the headspace is correct.
#151. To: sneakypete (#148)
(Edited)
#152. To: sneakypete (#148)
#153. To: We The People (#151)
(Edited)
Correction: Serial numbers on the bolt and receiver DO NOT match.
#154. To: lucysmom, We The People, sneakypete, Godwinson (#147)
(Edited)
Actually, that isn't true and either you know it or YOU are the one that is ignorant.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#155. To: jwpegler, lucysmom, We The People, sneakypete, Godwinson (#154)
Do you even know what "progressive taxes" mean?
#156. To: jwpegler (#154)
Germany's corporate tax rate was cut to 15% in 2008. Japan's corporate tax rate was cut to 30% in 2009.
Current rate in place since: 2008
2010 forecasted GDP growth: +1.4%
2008: Reduced to 30.18%
2004: Reduced to 38.9%
2003: Raised to 40.2% from 38.9%, a rate in place since 2001.
Current rate in place since: 2008
2010 forecasted GDP growth: +3.3%
Rates have fluctuated within the narrow range of 39.25% and 39.44% since 1998.
The largest year-over-year changes since 1981 were 1986-1987 (49.8% to 44.2%) and 1987-1988 (44.2% to 38.6%).
Current rate in place since: 2004
2010 forecasted GDP growth: +2.4%
2004: Reduced to 39.54%
1999: Reduced to 40.9%
1998: Reduced to 46.4% from 50%, a rate in place since 1990.*
#157. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#156)
#158. To: Godwinson (#157)
jwpegler is kind of proves that the right wing talking points on Europe and their evil "socialism" is in fact bogus to the point they get caught praising Germany's system when before they can be attacking it as 'socialist'.
#159. To: lucysmom, jwpegler, sneakypete, A K A Stone, go65 (#158)
(Edited)
jwpegler is kind of proves that the right wing talking points on Europe and their evil "socialism" is in fact bogus to the point they get caught praising Germany's system when before they can be attacking it as 'socialist'.
#160. To: Godwinson (#159)
Well, that is not a hypothetical question because I know for a fact that libertarian theorists call for slavery to be legal.
#161. To: Godwinson (#159)
#162. To: Godwinson (#157)
(Edited)
jwpegler is kind of proves that the right wing talking points on Europe and their evil "socialism" is in fact bogus to the point they get caught praising Germany's system when before they can be attacking it as 'socialist'.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#163. To: lucysmom (#156)
(Edited)
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#164. To: lucysmom (#156)
(Edited)
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#165. To: jwpegler (#162)
You think Europe is stuck in the 1970s. It's not. They are backing away from their socialist programs while we are RUSHING headlong toward socialism in the U.S.
#166. To: jwpegler, lucysmom (#164)
#167. To: jwpegler (#162)
You think Europe is stuck in the 1970s. It's not. They are backing away from their socialist programs while we are RUSHING headlong toward socialism in the U.S.
#168. To: Godwinson (#165)
(Edited)
Again, I am playing with you dummies because Germany was never socialist. She has always adhered to the 'social market' of Christian democracy - which is not 'socialism'.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#169. To: jwpegler (#168)
The major reason that there is any entrepreneurial activity in Germany at all, is that after reunification, the people in the East didn't have much of a choice.
#170. To: Godwinson (#169)
BS. Germany's economy is on fire.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#171. To: jwpegler (#163)
Let's look at other corporate tax rates:
#172. To: jwpegler (#170)
(Edited)
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-23/german-exports-consumption- drove-economic-growth.html
#173. To: lucysmom (#171)
(Edited)
Half or the statutory rate, or half of the effective rate of 25- 27%.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill
#174. To: jwpegler (#168)
Asian countries generally don't have welfare states. The ones that have any government welfare programs have tiny ones.
#175. To: jwpegler (#173)
Top marginal rate
#176. To: Parrot with speed dial, Rudgear (#24)
Its rumored Zero is going to appear on National teleprompter sheeple vision and urge Congress to gungrab in the next weeks.
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