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Title: OBAMA HIT A HOME RUN!
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Published: Jan 25, 2011
Author: just sayin
Post Date: 2011-01-25 21:35:45 by no gnu taxes
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Ain't watching that crap. Just reporting beforehand what the MSM reaction will be.
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Don't forget- they'll compare him favorably to Bubba Clintong. "He's so Clintonesque..." I.e., he talks a lot of shit, lies convincingly, and remains loyal to his socialist tendencies.
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke -- Ain't no point in wasting your time when you have to wait for others to tell you what to think anyway.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Purdue and Ohio State are playing basketball.
So that's why you're listening.
Willful meet Ignorance.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
It is a observation of a constitutional duty. Seems you "constitutionalists" hypocrites are not about that.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
BFD! I've heard enough of the usurper's bullshit. The economy is in a shambles, housing and construction suck, fuel prices are climbing, unemployment is in double digits and leftist psychos are slaughtering people in store parking lots.. Try to make that look good!
Are you sure you are not talking about the Bush years?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Bush hasn't been president for over two years, retard.
I watched it, i enjoyed it because I enjoy hearing Obama speak, but I didn't see anything remarkable or ground-breaking. It was your run-of-the-mill SOTU, somewhat subdued and less specific than years past and certainly nothing like Clinton's 1995 speech. Obama continues to show that he's the adult in the room, which is why is his approval ratings are going up now that he's got a bunch of loons in the opposition. Even Rasmussen now has Obama at a 52% approval rating with a -5 strong disapprove, his best showing since 9/09.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Good idea. Rush will tell you what to think tomorrow anyway.
“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin
I enjoyed it too. He was very good tonight as he clearly showed he has command and focus of a president in charge and who knows how to lead and lead well.
Gnu Ghoul will be too busy primping and admiring his happy to be him self in the mirror to do anything, never mind watch the state of the union speech by the President.
What a joke! 2 fookin years of Obama and a lib congress and what are the results? Double digit unemployment, construction and housing in the crapper, economy in a shambles and fuel and food prices skyrocketing.
It certainly helps that he's followed by a woman who doesn't know when slavery ended.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Did anyone watch the crazy lady? I'm sorry to say I missed her performance.
“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin
Did the dumbass begin his speech by acknowledging the senators and congressman from all 57 states?
No, life is too short. You know, one thing that disappointed me about the speech was the lack of specifics. I understand he's posturing against the GOP and waiting for them to take the first move, but I'm disappointed he didn't have more specifics on tax reform (not just corporate, but individual as well). It was also a dereliction of duty to avoid mentioning climate change as we wrap up the warmest year on record. FWIW, Ryan was short on specifics, he seems to have forgotten all about that roadmap he wrote.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
His speech writers aren't total fools.
She is a joke. I didn't watch her, I would rather watch adult Congressmen or women than a pretentious and ill informed tea flea like her. He spoke to the center while Ryan did a good job regurgitating right wing talking points.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
What network carried her speech?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Mikey,....I personally do not mind your vested interest in the various organizations you participate in. Yet I know its true,....is Fact* as discovered by Norman Dodds 1950's congressional reece commission findings into the Foundations. I cannot support that path. Obama is a Wallstreet drop in to the Whitehouse. That,...is to be resisted!
After the ass-kicking the leftists received this last election, the president of the 57 states had little choice.
Obama should have on his first year in office - and I don't know why he did not other than I assume his allies were the Wall Street types from Goldman Sachs - declared a New New Deal. Maybe build America around "speed" theme, faster trains, faster internet, faster roads. Now it seems like life support politics. The GOP has zero ideas of course other than the market left alone will solve it but what has it solved? I see it caused disaster left unchecked.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
That hasn't worked out too well, has it? You do realise there is no Soviet Union, don't you?
The GOP response to that is that it wasn't free enough.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
I think just CNN, even Fox wouldn't cover it.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
CNN is desperate, but then so are all of you liberals.
I am not sure what your point here is you wish me to address or clarify. I spoke in general on how I felt Obama did in his speech tonight, and how well he preforms and who runs against him will determine if he gets my vote or if indeed I will vote in the 2012 Presidential election. I am very unhappy with many things about how things are done in the world and the USA and why they do things that way. But from my vantage point your post is kinda all over the ball park. So clarify please, thanks. I notice in lurking eLPee a we bit ago you are a poster there, did you or are you a poster at TOS? Just curious, mind you.
So clarify please, thanks. Maybe you should proof read the crap you post, mustelid.
His speech was affected by the divisive climate created by the tongue in cheek racists known as the birfers and the clueless idiots in the tea flea faction. I expected it to be a safe, fairly general speech, and that would signal he was giving a very high priority to making bi-partisanship work if at all possible. There were many things I would of loved to see him address, but I generally understand why his speech was as it was tonight.
Looking at the post count skips in thread, I see one of the two on my bozo is whining like a skinny puppy. I can see now why so many like this feature now. I sure don't have an need to see pointless one liner insults and childish innuendo. ;-D
Then why do you post them, mustelid?
I am very unhappy with many things about how things are done in the world and the USA and why they do things that way. But from my vantage point your post is kinda all over the ball park. So clarify please, thanks. I notice in lurking eLPee a we bit ago you are a poster there, did you or are you a poster at TOS? Just curious, mind you. First,...and its not to be rude I listed out the Socialist Foundations history...so that others could go google that themselves if in doubt. I mentioned your public service interests so as to let you know I had read about that,...and thus mentioned my Eartherness : ) There are of course people who are simply Democrats who voted Obama cuz they hate Bush Crime family,...do not want wars,...do not want the nation doing the fascist thingy on everyone in corporate graft,...and to the peoples at home. I know Obama is a Banker cut out. Tragically....I see Obama as a Foundation cut out and a wrecker. America has to throw both these false houses off.....or its gonna end up actual conflict mirror the Revolutionary war. Being selfish,....it is my hope to help those on the left see the false foundation banker front. But still,...that Globalist North American Union,...SPP Continental Reich thing circles like a Vulture.
Thanks for the clarification. The only thing I was left unsure of is whether or not you are a U.S. citizen or Canadian. I will answer this tomorrow as I'm on wifi, tired and the joint I'm at closes soon. I also find LF a somewhat difficult forum to lower my guard in and relax and post. There are many here who turn the place into something much like a Junior High recess without supervision place. And I find doing relaxed, thoughtful posting where people have consideration for others including ideological opposites something that is more like swimming in molasses than water. I have been hoping to see a few good conservatives join The-Peoples-forum.com as the ideology is no barrier there. But testiness, distrust and contentiousness from both those joining, and some already there have made that hard to see happen. I cut my posting teeth on open forums where people of all political stripe belonged to the virtual community, and I have seen that work really well. And I miss that. It would be nice to see you there, and I would guard your flanks as I did with Sneakypete when he visited should you want to join onto the mix at another venue. But that is up to you, and I will leave it at that. I am skilled at forum posting and never expect to see someone whom I engage in discussion to be converted to my point of view. I know it's always wise to aim at the lurker element. And the hardest part of posting at TOS, eLPee and other venues was to learn to really be quick to put on the verbal brass knuckles. I am very laid back by nature and my posting start-up self of 1995 would be quickly chewed up in a joint like this one. My real time activist activities are a big part of this tempering of my political skin too I should add. Tim McCarthy (no relation) a Eugene Police sergeant whom I know well was quoted in the second article in the local paper after I nearly died in my fall said -- and I paraphrase -- "Mr. McCarthy has often criticized us at EPD and the local government, but he has also praised us when he felt we had done good work." I appreciated that, and I prefer to try to always value anyone for agreement, disagreement, or even the good and bad about them as I am always mindful I am human and not perfect too. I posted on TOS for years because if this balance, and only when the joint to an unmercifully hard turn to the right and took a one track minded eye to the interests of those they spin politically for was I banned there. Though really to be fair, Time.Com/Politics, my favorite forum had just been closed and I didn't help either by occasionally being snappish to some there because of my sadness to see the Time magazine venue close. None of us are perfect, though we soon learn in forum to be careful to act like we are. ;-D In any event, that is just to frame out my perspective which is a very easy thing for me to do as I am always mindful of how I want posting venues and people to be v. the way they are currently in the context of the Internet. Have a good night and I'll get to answering the political points of your post tomorrow. Cheers.
You people are really too stupid to post on the Internet. If Rush is saying the same things I do (and he often isn't), it's because He agrees with me.
I cut my posting teeth on open forums where people of all political stripe belonged to the virtual community, and I have seen that work really well. And I miss that. It would be nice to see you there, and I would guard your flanks as I did with Sneakypete when he visited should you want to join onto the mix at another venue. The-Peoples-forum.com is as close to that free thinking environment you will get that is from the old right wing pre George Bush. With that said, sneakypete - and I know his posting history from way back, went crazy by sticking around Libertypost too long and taking on their bad habits. He lost his ability to argue a point without insult, etc and I can see spending time on there caused him to lose his faculties. Sorry, sneaky. That is how I see it. I pinged you as a courtesy only. I am not seeing a response from you because I know it will be lame and predictable. You, can surprise me of course and reform yourself but I doubt it.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Sneakypete has a right to his opinions. And he is not abusive, has a delightful sense of humor and I have known and trusted him since the mid ninties. He has lost nothing in terms of his abilities to be a responsible poster. If he decides to return and try to post at the People's Forum again, be advised I will defend his right to be there. And if people are inappropriately ugly toward him, I will be ugly right back.
Ego boy, do you have "Happy to be looking at me" written on the top of your bathroom mirror?
I'm not speaking just for myself with comment; I'm speaking for 99.9% of his audience. You leftards are just too dense to realize that.
And I'm speaking for the people who wrote the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution in defending free speech. You feel you have leave to contradict the Founding Fathers and claim people with whom you disagree don't have the right to free speech. And you seem to feel you have the agency to speak for all others close to you ideologically here in this forum. I call bull shit you you there. This is no surprise as your act has been consistently an extremely egocentric one since you first showed up in these forums.
I have no idea what you are babbling about. I certainly have never tried to suppress anyone's speech (like you find on the leftard forums). I've never called for anyone's banning over what they say (like you find on the leftard forums). I just reserve the right to tell you how full of shit you are.
If he decides to return and try to post at the People's Forum again, be advised I will defend his right to be there. And if people are inappropriately ugly toward him, I will be ugly right back. I did not see that good side of him on Peoples-forum. He was given probation period and he insulted the forum moderator for having a different opinion than her. He went kook-berger is my guess.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
And you have posted threads with the intent to browbeat me and don't even try to infer that didn't have an element of trying to rattle my cage out of here. You are a legend in your own mind, and you have no sound ethical sense in anything you do in forum. That's just the facts. And a right back atcha that you are full of shit.
Insulted her? Bull shit. "Jim Robin" is an editorial comment with humor to it. He was expressing an opinion that Robin was being petty as Jim Robinson toward him. As someone who has talked to Robin and who knows she does not begrudge him being there, and merely made an honest mistake she corrected in how she tried to initially change someone else's cutting him to three posts a day to ten posts a day, I disagree with Pete. But that is the problem; people get so angry and defensive it is only human to assume the worst. I am guilty at times of doing the same thing, so I sure don't speak down to anyone in that paticular regard. But I do take seriously the obligation to defend anyone's right to speak even should I disagree with them. Pete was banned when he first joined Free Republic because the overhead thought he was bull shitting about his military service as a Special Forces trooper who served honorably and who went to Vietnam. The S.F. community current and former corrected this and he was reinstated. I have never seen Pete not say what he honestly believes, and he is never out to screw with anyone just to do that as a Yukon or a Mad Dog would. And I am former S.F. too and consider him brethren.
I'm still waiting for you to show where I have ever suggested free speech be suppressed. My opinion of your expression of that free speech is a separate issue.
And you also claim not to be racist, yet you pandered to people like BSUSA in this other forum with this photo exaggerating racial characteristics of people of his ethnic background in a very racist manner. You are generally doing better in recent days in posting articles without re- writing the property of others as you have done, and I want you to know I appreciate that and commend you for this. I sure don't begrudge you posting your viewpoint and posting pieces you agree with and like, so I see no point in extending this exchange into pissing context territory. You have given your view on this and I mine, let's leave it at that for the time being. Being coy enough to stay close to plausible denial when one reinforces intolerance of race or speech is still racism and a promotion of censorship as far as I am concerned. You disagree this is your tactical modus of operation, and I will just watch and see how well you back up your words here with your actions.
Is that thread supposed to have something to do with me? What is BSUSA?
Post #6, which is your account name there, and BSUSA is a reference to PSUSA, who is a activist who works to promotre racism there. Or are you claiming now you are not owner of the spectrum of 'Happy Fun Ball' posting accounts?
I resent that. They went fascist,which is NOT to the right of anything. Fascism is a left-wing movement. Always has been,always will be. To be fair,there is no shortage of ignorant loons that THINK they are on the right,when all they do is support statism in the form of working towards a religious state. For some odd reason they never seem to acknowledge the Christian Left. It's just like they don't exist.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I won't argue the point, it is a sound one. ;-) They did go fascist, however fascism is a situation where business controls government, and I don't agree that it is a left wing affectation. Under fascism, the rights of corporations and the rich and powerful is what is considered the only thing to do, even if it hurts the rights and freedoms of the people living under such a form of government.
Robin was giving pete many chances. It was others who cut him off. His third post on peoplesforum was overtly racist in tone - not enough to get banned but enough to make him look like a dick. His forth post on there was in defense of Senator McCarthy's withc hunts - ok his opinion - but still dickish. By his 6th post he is accusing posters of being commies By his 7th or 8th post he is calling other posters "stupid" and then he got worse and he started calling Robin clueless idiot because she disagreed with pete's warped view of reality. I think Pete lost it because he was asked to back his nutso thoughts up with facts and he had no ability to do that. My guess anyway for why he went into meltdown like that. Sorry,the peoples forums is not a place for that kind if discourse. Here you can be a pig not not there.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
BZZZZZZT Thanks for playing. and BSUSA is a reference to PSUSA, who is a activist who works to promotre racism there. Don't know anything about that. My account name there was longnose gar.
You kind of blow your point by descending into derogatory references. I agree that The People's Forum has a strict no ad hominem policy. But attacking a person new to a forum as aggressively and unmercifully as Pete was based on the rule differences is hypocritical. It behooves people supporting a strong no ad hominem policy not to be too aggressive, quick to judge, and act with an obvious motive to get someone they don't like banned instead of following the Golden Rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I read the thread, and there was a decided move to give this veteran the boot as soon as possible. A negative attitude about him was more in play than the desire to uphold the forum rules.
And not having the keys to the moderator's screen I am not going to argue who's account name is who's beyond this exchange of opinions. It is my opinion you are that interlocutor, you have the right to disagree. Account names and who owns them are something anyone who has a long experiance in forums becomes good at spotting who owns them, and who does not. For example, whoever posted as Rotara yesterday was not him. Some of the posts were cut and paste copy from real posts by him at 4UM, he is not in the country, and if he had been on line from Central America last night, he would of posted at 4UM too.
With that said, sneakypete - and I know his posting history from way back, went crazy by sticking around Libertypost too long and taking on their bad habits. He lost his ability to argue a point without insult, etc and I can see spending time on there caused him to lose his faculties. Nope. What it was was 10+ years of dealing with fools and trying to reach the unreachable made me lose all my patience for it. I can tolerate a fool that is young and teachable,but somebody living today that has been on the internet for years and years and STILL thinks socialism is the light of the future is nothing more than a fucking oxygen thief. They are either too stupid to cross the streets by themselves,or so greedy they don't give a damn what happens to the country as long as THEY get what THEY want. The ultimate "Fuck YOU,ME FIRST!" brand of thinking. I have no tolerance for these people and I make no apologies for not pretending they may have valid opinions. In fact,I now have very little tolerance for ANY dogmatic idiot that thinks there is such a thing as a political and economic system that is perfect in itself and doesn't borrow from other models. You can't discuss anything with these fools of either the self-proclaimed left or the self-proclaimed right without them being more concerned with scoring points than they are discussing reason. I have these fools on the left tell me my EARNED VA benefits are welfare in a lame attempt to defend welfare,and fools that claim they are from the right claiming that Social Security is what makes America a socialist state,and that it should be stopped immediately and no more money paid into it. Mostly because THEY think the money won't be there for them when THEY retire,and because THEY have private retirement plans and enough disposable income each week to pay into them. It's like these idiots are too stupid to realize that not EVERYBODY can or even SHOULD be a successful upper middle-class wage earner. We still need cooks,truck drivers,etc,etc,etc. The country won't function without workers to work these so-called "menial jobs" that don't pay much,and these people surely deserve to not have to go hungry and without medical care when they get too old to work anymore. After all,the work they performed their whole working lives was essential work that was needed in order to free up the time of the people who thing their own labors were "more valuable" so they could go out and earn 6 figure salaries. They are the mirror image of you lefties who resent anybody that you consider to be "rich",and want the government to punish them for their success. And,of course,you define "rich" as "anybody that earns 1 dollar a week more than Me!" And of course all these people are the true-believer partisan hacks from both branches of the ruling party. The same people that defended Boy Jorge when he was doing what the current traitor in the WH is doing now but slamming him for it,and their mirror-image buddies on the other side of the partisan argument that slammed the hell out of Boy Jorge for doing it,but now praising the current traitor for expanding Boy Jorges policies. Sorry, sneaky. That is how I see it. I pinged you as a courtesy only. I am not seeing a response from you because I know it will be lame and predictable. You, can surprise me of course and reform yourself but I doubt it. My most humble apologies,Mastah! I hope that I have no offended thee too much,or surely I will have to end my own life,for surely you know how important your opinion of me is!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I can tolerate a fool that is young and teachable,but somebody living today that has been on the internet for years and years and STILL thinks socialism is the light of the future is nothing more than a fucking oxygen thief. They are either too stupid to cross the streets by themselves,or so greedy they don't give a damn what happens to the country as long as THEY get what THEY want. The ultimate "Fuck YOU,ME FIRST!" brand of thinking. I have no tolerance for these people and I make no apologies for not pretending they may have valid opinions. In fact,I now have very little tolerance for ANY dogmatic idiot that thinks there is such a thing as a political and economic system that is perfect in itself and doesn't borrow from other models. You can't discuss anything with these fools of either the self-proclaimed left or the self-proclaimed right without them being more concerned with scoring points than they are discussing reason. I have these fools on the left tell me my EARNED VA benefits are welfare in a lame attempt to defend welfare,and fools that claim they are from the right claiming that Social Security is what makes America a socialist state,and that it should be stopped immediately and no more money paid into it. Mostly because THEY think the money won't be there for them when THEY retire,and because THEY have private retirement plans and enough disposable income each week to pay into them. It's like these idiots are too stupid to realize that not EVERYBODY can or even SHOULD be a successful upper middle-class wage earner. We still need cooks,truck drivers,etc,etc,etc. The country won't function without workers to work these so-called "menial jobs" that don't pay much,and these people surely deserve to not have to go hungry and without medical care when they get too old to work anymore. After all,the work they performed their whole working lives was essential work that was needed in order to free up the time of the people who thing their own labors were "more valuable" so they could go out and earn 6 figure salaries. They are the mirror image of you lefties who resent anybody that you consider to be "rich",and want the government to punish them for their success. And,of course,you define "rich" as "anybody that earns 1 dollar a week more than Me!" And of course all these people are the true-believer partisan hacks from both branches of the ruling party. The same people that defended Boy Jorge when he was doing what the current traitor in the WH is doing now but slamming him for it,and their mirror-image buddies on the other side of the partisan argument that slammed the hell out of Boy Jorge for doing it,but now praising the current traitor for expanding Boy Jorges policies. Well said, sir. VERY well said. To my eternal shame, I voted for W. twice, before I figured out the system was completely rigged. I grew up.
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
Both result in no individual freedoms and police states in total control of the economy via a central bank. Ergo,they are the same. To paraphrase a famous quote,"A Nazi/communist is a Nazi/communist,by any other name." Both know what is best for you,and you had damn sure better listen if you want to keep your head. The REAL truth is both are nothing more than a return to feudalism,with Dukes,Princes,and Kings going by new titles. Under fascism, the rights of corporations and the rich and powerful is what is considered the only thing to do, even if it hurts the rights and freedoms of the people living under such a form of government. And that's NOT what happens under communism? Since when? Who do you think owns the factories in communist countries if not the Commissars and the Politburos? The PRIME difference between communism and fascism is that fascists get to have more fun because they don't have to hide their wealth and luxuries,and to be fair there is a little more freedom for the serfs living in a fascist state than a communist state. Providing they behave themselves,that is.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I stated that McCarthy was right and that everybody he accused of being a communist agent really WAS a communist agent.Prove me wrong,dipshit. Can't do it,can you? All you can do is fall back on the communist rhetoric you have accepted as fact your whole life. Sorry,the peoples forums is not a place for that kind if discourse. Here you can be a pig not not there. Yup,youse a bunch of Sensitive Socialists (TM) over there,and you do love your group think!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Mike,IMHO,most of them did it because they had bumped heads with me in the past on other forums,but felt safe in going after me on the People's Forum because they had strength in numbers there and felt sure others would flock to their defense and get me banned. They don't want to hear opposing ideas. They want the safe and comfy lies they are using to hearing. One of the most ludicrous posts I read there was somebody posting they were mostly conservatives that had been ran off other forums by radical right wingers. That was the equivalent of hearing Helen Thomas say she is a beauty queen.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I guess you've missed the posts where he said he was a solid right wing conservative most of his life. ...if you believe them.
Thank you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
LOL! Well,nobody can accuse that boy of not having a sense of humor,can they?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Communism upholds the notion of a stateless society with everyone in it being equal. Supposedly no one is rich, or poor. In this system, it is the community at large who owns resources and the system of production. With Fascism, it pertains to the state and considers it on top of everything. Under that system, the state is all encompassing and for fascists, no human values exist outside of the state. Fascists contend the state is everything with nothing above it, outside of it or against it. They believe in a system that believes in nationalism (includes economic nationalism), corporatism (includes economic planning), militarism and totalitarianism (dictatorship and social interventionism). By and large, Communists think globally, but Fascists only care to think in terms of things only existing on a national level.
Communism upholds the notion of a stateless society with everyone in it being equal. Supposedly no one is rich, or poor. In this system, it is the community at large who owns resources and the system of production. LOL! Good one. I am not talking about the Santa Claus fantasy,I'm talking about the slave state reality. With Fascism, it pertains to the state and considers it on top of everything. Under that system, the state is all encompassing and for fascists, no human values exist outside of the state. See? Even you know they are the same. You just haven't completely shed your indoctrination and put it together yet. Fascists contend the state is everything with nothing above it, outside of it or against it. They believe in a system that believes in nationalism (includes economic nationalism), corporatism (includes economic planning), militarism and totalitarianism (dictatorship and social interventionism). In other words,modern day China. And the future America/North American Economic Zone unless we get VERY lucky. It will be economic fascism without the nationalism,though. The new globalist fascism with no borders. Only the very best and most trendy version of fascism,if you please! By and large, Communists think globally, but Fascists only care to think in terms of things only existing on a national level. Uhhh,ever heard of a couple of guys named Hitler and Mussolini? Seems to me that both sent their armies on vacations outside their national borders.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#6. To: We The People, go65 (#5) Are you guys the perfect stereotypes of the leftist? I am an ex Conservative Republican so I know your positions well because I was once like you or associated with you types. I am an independent rationalist now. Godwinson posted on 2011-01-24 21:29:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply ------------------ independent rationalist bwahahaha Does that mean that everything you type on a keyboard consists of far left talking points?
I disagree, there is a profound difference between the two; as in Communism, the state has custodial control of everything, but in Fascism the state control. So, as I see it we are arguing over the difference between ownership and control. You seem to think they are two sides of the same coin, but Communism is more a socio-economic model that upholds an allegedly classless, stateless and egalitarian society. Fascism is more an ideology that works to bring together radical and authoritarian nationalism. I understand where you are going with your points about the two systems, but this is what I learned as a poli-sci major at The University of Oregon, which I know you would consider a left wing ideology training camp. Which you are welcome to do, but I learned to think freely there and was a student, not a pupil learning propaganda to regurgitate on command. ;-)
I did not see people attack pete unless by asking him to back up hist statements you mean attack.
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Thanks for being predictable.
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I forget to you types wanting public education is communistic so who you consider communist is always morphing.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Pete, I know for a fact you were welcomed enthusiastically on People's Forum by someone who then asked you be banned when you started your rude behavior there. So you can spin it all you want but I know the story.
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Why are you asking pete? I am the one that wrote it badeye. I support the political philosophy of social democracy as found in Sarkozy's party (right of center) and as found in Germany under Merkel. I find GOP conservatives laughable since they adopted Sarah Palin, Bachmann and Rush as their intellectual leaders.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
As I recall, Sneaky wasn't banned, he was restricted to 3 posts a day, and then that was raised to 10. Also Sneaky had a couple of staunch supporters despite his behavior.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Nope. What it was was 10+ years of dealing with fools and trying to reach the unreachable made me lose all my patience for it. Since your advocacy was an obvious failure and it caused you a mental break down in your declining years I suggest you take up walks in the park and feeding pigeons than hanging out in forums......
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That is typical of most liberal forums. Don't dare post an opposing opinion or you'll be gang attacked and out on your ass in a matter of a few posts. I've never been banned from an open or "conservative" forum, but every liberal forum I've posted on I've been given the boot.
That's correct and keeping him on was very much Robin's call against the wishes of others - and he still bad mouth's Robin as a Jim Rob when she was fighting against his banning. That's Sneakypete's view of the world (which he has every right to) in a nutshell if you ask me.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You were likely been banned for being a troll and I should know since I know your posting history for a while now. Sneaky was not banned he was restricted due to insults in his posts.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
So you're claiming that as you support a move away from socialism in Europe as they realize its failures, you still support a move towards socialism in the US. uhhh okay. Very "rational" of you.
To you liberal morons, anyone with an opposing viewpoint is considered a "troll", whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.
Well Godwinson did claim to have been a "republican"!
Most of Europe is not "socialist". What I am saying is most Americans on the right wing forums are morons who think France and Germany are 'socialist'. Every hear of Christian democracy? Social market? That's pretty much the Western European model.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Look at your troll forum name and that says it all. That's what's funny about your claim you are not a troll.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
What about your stupid handle, hypocrite? You don't have a conservative bone in your chubby little body, Obamabot! What exactly has Obama done to promote the building of more nuclear power plants?
Way to prove you are not a troll.....though you are probably so deranged you assume this is normal behavior - being in an echo chamber with like minded kooks tends to make one lose the ability to discern they are kooks.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Socialism isn't a form of government so much as a public policy. They are socialist democracies. The concept of taxation and entitlement has ruined them and that is why you see them backing off it. "Christian democracy" is also a joke as applied there now. To start with, there is nothing about Christianity that deals with State policy, so the term was always an oxymoron. And now the policies are every bit secular in nature. The US is getting more socialist, too, and it will ruin the US, too if it continues.
The GOP right wing fears Christian democracy they now advocate separation of church and state! LOL! It is clear you have no idea what Christian democracy means. It does not mean what you think it means from what you wrote and last I looked Germany, run by the Christian democrats is booming economically and still a manufacturing exporter. Under the GOP America lost more manufacturing jobs than ever - let alone more jobs than during the great depression. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9KSLA701.htm Euro up against dollar on German economic strength BERLIN The 17-nation euro is higher against the dollar, helped by a survey showing business confidence in Germany, Europe's largest economy, continued to rise in January. The German economy enjoyed strong growth last year due to a rebound in international trade, which boosted the country's high-value exports. Analysts expect Germany to remain Europe's principal engine of growth in 2011 as well.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
being in an echo chamber What is a "troll", Obamabot? If this were indeed an echo chamber you wouldn't be here would you, kook?
Not to be confused with: "OBAMA SHITS OUT REGGIE LOVE'S CUM"
I know what it means and how it was historically applied. The 17-nation euro is higher against the dollar Duh. Our currency is being purposely devalued, which in turn is pushing the stock market much higher. There is both good and bad in devaluing currency, with the main bad is that we will soon be back to $4 a gallon gas under the Kenyan.
Sue them and get your tuition back. ANYBODY that falls for the rhetoric of the political theorists of ANY stripe hook,line,and sinker is cruising for a fall. Theory is fine,but reality is where people have to live,and the reality is far from the theory. And,of course,keeping people believing in the theory and hoping it will come true if they just wish hard enough is what keeps the rulers in control. Hell,the same strategy has keep organized religion in biz for thousands of years now.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You really do think that tag line represents profound thought,don't you?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You mean he calls others things like "bat shit crazy"? LOL!
I forget to you types wanting public education is communistic so who you consider communist is always morphing. Wouldn't it have been easier to just type "I still can't prove you wrong"? What part about their names being listed in the KGB files as Soviet agents is it that you have such a hard part understanding? Maybe you think the KGB was clever enough to understand the USSR was going to collapse,and decided to salt their top secret files with the names of false agents in order to cause some Americanski's problems when the day came that their files would be open to the public? Yeah,that must be it!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
He lost his ability to argue a point without insult You mean he calls others things like "bat shit crazy"? LOL! Peoplesforum is where you wear office attire. This wensite is a dive bar and I treat it as such.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I find people laughable who look to Europe for conservative positions for America. They don't even have the Bill of Rights over there. You can go to jail for saying Hitler was a swell dancer,or for calling a politician a idiot in the press. Plus you have no right to own and posses private weapons unless you are wealthy. Yeah, those sure are some conservative values you are soaking up. I bet you think the Muslims in Afghanistan are just Americans that talk funny and wear funny clothes too,don't you?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
McCarthy never proved anyone was a commie. He accused people of being sympathetic to commies - that can mean anything. It's like how you accuse people of being commies or how you accused France of being commie socialist on peoples forum. Pete, shame on you. I have your number. Move along.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
This wensite is a dive bar and I treat it as such. Have another hit on your bong, leftwingnut.
Yet, less people are in actual jails in Europe than they are in America. So your "Land of the free" is an illusion. Because in practice Europe is not a police state - the USA is.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You are correct. Some people were screaming for me to be banned,but then Robin restricted me to 3 posts a day by mistake,and then realized she had made a mistake and put me back up to 10 posts a day. Since there were more than 10 people there ratpacking and making multiple posts to me there was no reason for me to go back because I couldn't respond to their attacks with just 10 posts. Unless of course I surrendered and begged for forgiveness for being rational. One post would do that.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Maker's Mark, actually. I do like slumming here though.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Don't reply back like an idiot LP poster and you will be fine and taken off probation. I would like to see you back there and normal again like you were a long time ago. Can you do that?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You're dreaming, lefty.
LOL! Good one,Kamarade! BTW,think you might be able to find time in your busy schedule of spouting nonsense to prove me wrong about McCarthy?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I was banned from the Huffington Report after posting ONE post. I didn't even last that long as Salon. Seems like they had a watch on my screen name. I registered,got the approval,and then got the message "this screenname is banned" when I went to make my first post. BTW,I am NOT banned at the People's Forum. I just don't post there because I am limited to 10 posts per day,and it is impossible to respond to all the attacks on me with just 10 posts. And to be completely truthful,I probably wouldn't post there anymore even if I had full posting privileges. As I have written right here on this thread,I no longer have the patience needed to deal with admitted socialists and various other forms of Euroweenies.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
In practice, there was one difference between communists and fascists. The communists killed the goose that laid the golden egg, while the fascists exploited it.
So fartboy, is that why you post here...? Trolling for a piece of ass? Or are you trolling with YOUR ass? So what's the fartboy name? A mating call for you? That certainly explains a lot... So the pic WAS correct. LOL "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
I posted there and lasted about 5 days despite the gang attacks. I've posted on a few other leftist sites, but was unceremoniously banned from each within a matter of days.
Oh, now DON'T make the mistake of thinking these socialists here will actually BACK UP anything they say, now, do you??? ((((snickering)))) Don't hold your breath...
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
No thanks, penis breath!
That's Sneakypete's view of the world (which he has every right to) in a nutshell if you ask me. You just never get tired of lying,do you? I called her Jim Robin when she restricted me to only 3 posts a day for unapproved thought. She later admitted she had done that by mistake and had only intended on restricting me to 10 posts a day for unapproved thought. Which is better,but still not free speech. Which isn't surprising since the socialists on that board are big fans of European governments,and none of them have the freedoms we have here. Other than Russia,that is. Russians even have the right to possess private weapons now. How freaking ironic is THAT?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Other than Russia,that is. Russians even have the right to possess private weapons now. Switzerland has a freer economy than the U.S. and almost everyone has an automatic weapon in their closet.
That's pretty much the Western European model. Yup. No Bill of Rights to place limits on government powers.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yup,those GOP right-wingers that wrote the US Constitution. Silly of them,wasn't it? WAIT A MINUTE! The GOP didn't even exist back then!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That's just identifying and defining them,not insulting them.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
McCarthy never proved anyone was a commie. Nice spin. McCarthy COULDN'T prove he was right without divulging Top Secret information he had access to as the Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee. The FBI had the Soviet embassy telephones tapped,and McCarthy allowed himself to be held up as a liar rather than divulge classified information that would have harmed the country. It was the KGB that proved McCarthy was right when they opened their files to historians after the USSR collapsed. Every name McCarthy listed as a Soviet agent was listed in the KGB files as a Soviet agent. . I have your number. I doubt it,and even if you did you wouldn't understand it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
YOU are the one using a pic that looks like a penis. I'd suggest you tone the glitter down a few notches. LOL.
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
Is parroting leftist brainfarts your only talent? Tell me asshole,are there more people in jail in Europe for unpopular political speech or are their more people in jail in America for unpopular political speech?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
How freaking ironic is THAT? When did that change? I was looking into this about a year ago, and at that time it wasn't allowed... at least, according to my research.
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
You must have seen an awful lot of them up close and personal if that's what you believe, penis breath.
Don't reply back like an idiot LP poster and you will be fine and taken off probation. You mean if I promise to color between the lines and learn to admire and praise European socialism? No thanks. I would like to see you back there and normal again like you were a long time ago. Can you do that? Of course I can. I won't,though because what you mean is surrender to your Euroweenie socialist way of group think. I just won't do that. I don't post anywhere to make friends. Or to make enemies. I post to make people think and learn. Including myself.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yup. That's why I say the communists all morph into fascists the instant they gain power. Once they get to the top they are no longer interested in sharing anything.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You may be right about that,but they sure as hell don't have freedom of speech.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
How freaking ironic is THAT? When did that change? I was looking into this about a year ago, and at that time it wasn't allowed... at least, according to my research. It was made a part of their new Constitution after Yeltsin was elected,and signed into law in July of that year. I WANT to say July 4th,but that may just be wishful thinking. It may have been on July 7th. One of my friends over there was (he's dead now) a professor at a local university,and he had to be the biggest gun nut I have ever met in my life. The first time I met him in person was when I was invited to dinner at his house,and after dinner he plops a big book down on the dining room table and says,"So,tell me what guns you have." When I started out with Browning Hi-Power,he said something like "Oh,yes! That is page 936!" and opened the book to that page so we could discuss it. He knew the exact page number of every gun I mentioned. When I asked him why a gun freak like him only owned a pellet gun instead of a real gun,he got serious and told me "It may be a trick! They might tell you this now to sucker you into buying one,and then change the law in a few years and then arrest you for it!" Vladimir grew up with a father that was a Major in the KGB,and tapped his own phone to make sure nobody in his family was doing or saying anything that could get them into trouble. Paranoia wasn't a mental illness for people who grew up in the old Soviet Union. It was a survival trait. BTW,I MAY be wrong,but I SUSPECT you might have to become a Russian citizen before they would allow you to buy or legally possess a weapon there.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The Mrs. and I will be discussing this issue (among others) when she gets back from vacation. (I don't get "real" vacation, because all of my time off is for my studies.) Anyway, we've thought about this quite a bit... IIRC, you can get a permit to have one, provided you know someone, and have sufficient funds to make sure everything goes smoothly. But as you mentioned, things could always change. I've seen some of the Russian 9mm pistols- I wasn't impressed. My wife would like to have an XD or a P89-94 Ruger, but the question is always *how?* I won't live anywhere that I can't own firearms- which is why I recently turned down job offers in Boston and D.C. This is one area that is non- negotiable. :-|
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
http://www.russianhunting.com/planning-your-trip-to-russia/ There are no problems bringing your rifle or shotgun into Russia. Handguns are not allowed. We will handle all the necessary formalities to obtain the permits. This may take up to two months and will require informing us of the make, model, serial number and a caliber of the weapon. You are allowed to bring 2 firearms and 100 rounds of ammunition for each weapon. Lead shot is permitted on all waterfowl hunts. Shells for waterfowl hunts can be bought in Russia. The gun permit will be given to you at the airport by one of our staff who will help you clear customs.
I have never known anyone to be banned from that board for political opinions. Endless crude references to abnormal sex acts along with personal attacks could do it however. I realize that for some here to take away sexual references and personal attacks is to render them mute.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
The Makarov is a excellent handgun. No kidding. You may even be able to own one,since I saw AK's and SKS's in the racks when I went to a couple of Russian Gun Shops to drop off copies of The Shotgun News. Doing my little bit for person to person diplomacy,don't ya know?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That's for tourists coming into Russia to go hunting,not resident aliens living in Russia or for Russian citizens. There was an attempted bank robbery in Russia about a year after Yeltsin took office that I remember reading about in the St.Petersburg Times. A bank robber came into a bank in one of the smaller cities and when he stuck his gun in the face of one teller,another teller picked up her Makarov and shot him in the head. The response of the local police chief was "Good shooting,huh?",and he did mention she had a legal right to own the gun.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Of course not. You are a leftie that posts on boards that are right of left. You won't get bounced for expressing your opinion. Seeing as how you are a leftie yourself,there is no reason you would even notice someone getting quickly banned from a leftist site.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I would say everyone seems to be getting along pretty darn good for an alleged dive bar. I'm enjoying seeing people in here talk more civilly today, and your worries about Pete's manners is just mud dumb. I know that had people left sneakypete to his own devices and overlooked the initial fire for effect that you called LP behavior, he would of settled right in and would of just been guilty of being a darn good and valuable poster. Just my observations, which is based on experience and from knowing him, that's all. But you can believe what you want.
When I was at Salon, they thought I was a rightie. I guess political orientation is in the eye of the beholder.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Quite the catchy slogan. As Communism is the masses running things in joint ownership, it does bring up images of how much a joke something can be if it is horribly convoluted being designed by committee, and when power is in a few hands a state can move on something really quickly and outflank any competition. This is not something I quite agree with, but it gives food for thought, thanks.
When I was in the Army at Ft. Bragg, N.C. or my S.F. Guard Unit in Utah they thought of me as a flaming lefty, and many of my friends and acquaintances here in Eugene, OR think of me as more rightie than is good for me. It is a matter of perspective, but it has a wee bit to do with my propensity to act in an iconoclastic manner wherever I am.
There is nothing wrong with getting older and losing patience with idiotic people and behavior. I remember when I was considered anti-social by nurses when I was broken armed out after my fall and they told me to buzz them if I took a BM and they would come and clean me up. I asked, "What the fuck is a BM?" Nurse - "A bowel movement. Me - "Oh, you mean if I have to shit." Wincing Nurse, "Just buzz and we'll help. ~a few days later ~ Nurse - We are concerned, you have not gotten help with cleaning up after a BM." Me - "You mean a shit." Wincing Nurse in ignore the crude bastard mode - "No, I mean a BM." Me - "Well darling, I just swing the handicapped bar in place, wrap it in ass wipe paper, and rub my ass on it to floss it clean." Bewildered not believing the in-credulousness of my statement Nurse, "You are what?!?!" Me - "Relax, my sister brought me ice tongs so I can preform the toxic shit clean up myself, all is well cool and under control; now, go way." I understand Pete's impatience with drama queen control freaks. get good tips and information from him that will allow me to be a better thorn in the Nurse Ratchets of the world as I ..... mature. I never want to make people happy as a prime directive, or to be manageable. I prefer to make people think and to keep learning until the day my body expires and I move to the next level. ;-D
It didn't do it for the foul-mouthed liberals who attacked me. Any criticism of "Dear Leader" or his policies and they unleashed an unending torrent of abuse on posters.
Which is a pretty good indication of how far left they really are. I guess political orientation is in the eye of the beholder. Oh,yeah. That is a universal truth. Hell,I get called a commie every once in a while.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
ROTFLOFAO!!! Said well by someone who seems to have a talent for reading between the lines. I remember one really earnest kid who was brown nosing Ken Kesey really horribly at one of the three New Years Parties I got to go to at his farm in Pleasant Hill, OR when I worked for Merry Prankster Mike Hagan (He was the man who filmed the trips around the country on Further the bus) and Ray Sewell. He had memorized much Kesey prose and was torturing the man who was recovering from a bad cold. Kesey had enough and he and three friends lured the kid outside, panted him and did a one, two, three, heave of him into the cold wet swampy area near the big barn. He looks shocked and was mortified, and Kesey said between laughing snits, "sorry, but you'll thank me later." The kid left an hour later long before the merriment was over. Kesey was always much more easy to get along with if you treated him like a regular dude and ditched any try to impress him with any pretentiousness of any kind. ;-D
Yeah,everybody seems to really hate that. They want to pigeonhole everybody into identifiable groups and feel betrayed when one of their on-line "friends" suddenly disagrees with some aspect of their favorite dogma. Since humans are by nature pack animals,it is a natural reaction for most people. It's a survival trait. If humans hadn't been tribal animals we never would have survived to form civilizations. It's just not necessary for everyone to be so ready to agree with anything in order to be allowed to join the collective anymore. Or even healthy for society.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
There ya go! That's the SF way.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Those must have been some interesting parties. Those guys REALLY "thought out of the box". Regardless of your political viewpoint,you have to give the hippies of the 60's credit for one thing,the creation and popularization of the phrase "Question Authority!" Unfortunately,too many of them grew up to BECOME authorities themselves,and pompous ones at that.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
This is true. And reminds me - as long as I'm reminiscing on the Merry Prankster set how disappointed I was to find they were just people too, many of which were an annoying cross between carnies, con men/women and people who were disturbing enough to make you wonder what they had against you. They were not at all like I had stereotyped and glorified them to be when I watched them from afar. For example, Hagan is from a rich cowboy/rancher family from Pendleton, OR in Eastern, OR and a raging drunk. If he owed you and you caught him before his first drink, he would pay up, but forget it if he had had even just his first drink of the day. The guys still owes me almost 200 dollars I'll never see. Not that I was the only person stiffed when his and Sewell's restaurant, Chez Ray's went tits up.
They were pretty crazy. Though the Pranksters and people around them were/are experienced with the foible and down side of infamy and fame and anyone that tries/tried to exploit or use them or a situation of socializing with them quickly found these seemingly unorganized iconoclasts and individualists would act in well oiled concert to do you in or fix your wagon good for thinking they were an easy target. I know that though there was always the best LSD on the planet at a large gathering like this, they left the frying to the guests and others who were like moths fluttering around them like they were groovy black light or psychedelically painted bulbs. The generally sat back and watched the strap hangers entertain themselves and things often looked on the verge of going out of control but never did as they were savvy on keeping a lip on things to the point it needed to be. I know that Ken himself could always afford to be laid back, merry or detached as he wished. As it wasn't him who would take you out if you crossed the line. It was his wife who at her best could scare a pack of raging pit bulls to death she could get so intense.
Most of the biggest assholes and leftists in this country came from rich families. Hell,it was American leftists that financed the Russian Revolution that ended with Marx and Stalin. Must be some kind of guilt thing that comes from having too much after too little effort.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Didn't she haul his bus out of a pigpen a couple of years ago and sell it to somebody that wanted to restore it?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Mike Hagan is the gray haired man with the blue shirt standing second from the end of the line of Pranksters and usual suspects standing next to the new Further. This is from the Kesey website, Key-Z.com http://www.key-z.com/KenKeseyPics7.htm
Oh yeah, the restore Further project. The Keseys allowed them to pull the original bus out of the swamp with the thought of restoring her. You know how noble ideas are when they meet the reality at how decrepit a bus can get after spending decades with trees growing up around it. It's sort of a project in deep stall mode. Ken had always resisted this sort of nonsense, he always contended the bus should rust away in place. Here she is after we all got muddy as hell tug of war style pulling her out of her grave. Her when she was alive. The New bus, still a very important Eugene, OR Icon always around during certain events. It matters not if a bus is dead; pull her out of her swamp and sooner or later someone will clean out her inner self, and move into her. Here is much what the inside of the old bus looks like these daze. Two old codgers, 2001
Canadian citizen,......worked 2 decades + fabrication oil/gas sector. I try* to participate on US political forums,....usually finding them a minefield of control and intimidation.
Ken and Calb feeding the cows Ken hated to do autographs, but sometimes he'd do one RIP Ken.
Thanks for the sceed. I learned French when I was a preteen living in Quebec. I never learned German when I lived over there in years earlier then that. But francophone/ French speaking youths my age always seemed to know how intimi-motivate an appreciation of their culture and language into you when many were larger and they outnumbers you. ;-) I like Canada. The Last time I was up there was when I rode a bike cross country one summer.
No, you are a kook.
The Pranksters were lysergicized proselytizers, the transition from the Beats to the hippies, a rainbow-hued crew seeking to wake America from two decades of self-satisfied slumber. They were harbingers of a tectonic shift in American culture -- a shift that doubled back on them in the early 1970s, submerging the subculture once again. Furthur is one of the enduring symbols of that time. But it was road-weary and 50 years old when Kesey towed it to oaky, bottomland at his farm near Eugene. He built a replica from a newer bus as the original languished in the swamp, and Kesey, who died four years ago following liver surgery, stoutly resisted all suggestions to move it. That's why the most recent journey on a late October day was more significant -- heavier, even -- than its distance might imply: Zane Kesey and crew towed the bus just a couple hundred yards from the swamp to a flat spot up by the barn. Short as it was, it was a journey that many of the Pranksters never thought they'd see. "It's sweet to see it back out of the swamp," said Prankster Mike Hagen, a quiet man who uses the word 'sweet' often and can even get away with the occasional 'far out.' "Who would've believed it?" "I don't know what Kesey would think about it, but we can't worry about that now. I've been trying to e-mail him, but the server must be down," joked Ken Babbs, who knew Kesey for 43 years. "It's been a miraculous day because we had no idea what would happen. We didn't know if the brakes were seized and the wheels would even roll. We didn't know if it would break in half when we got a chain on it, but the vibe was right." What happens next is the question. "Our goal is to restore the bus and tell its story," said David Houston, who owns Barney's Beanery, a famous Los Angeles restaurant. "This is a priceless piece of American history." Lit by full sun for the first time in years, Furthur looked the part. Festoons of moss drooped from its flanks; ferns grew from its fenders; mice had colonized the interior, which was stripped bare except for the driver's seat where Neal Cassady often sat. Furthur's once flamboyant,fanciful hide is faded and rusted making it look like the relic of a lost civilization that it is. But it's beautiful and imposing for all that -- or because of it: it's a faded Renaissance fresco or an aging beauty still possessed of the most amazing cheekbones. It's imposing because history happened here. This was the locus of many lives and so much energy that you want to encapsulate it -- moss, rust and all -- in a block of Lucite and appreciate it as the cultural artifact it has become. "This feels like a perfect time for a new subculture," said Stephen Greene, Houston's partner in the possible restoration of Furthur. "It feels like something was pulling it out of the swamp. Since Jerry Garcia died, another of the doorways to a different culture closed. We want to restore Furthur and take it on the road for kids to learn different ways to live and how to take care of each other. " But which Furthur do you restore? Set aside the problems of restoring a machine ravaged by age and you face a philosophic question -- Furthur was the constantly evolving work of dozens of creative souls. As inspiration enshrined, its livery might change overnight and then again in a month or a year. "Oh, I remember when it was that color, I think I painted that," said Mountain Girl, a longtime Prankster and mother of Kesey's daughter, Sunshine. "I remember every one of these flakes." She pored over multicolored paint chips that flaked off the bus when it was pulled out from between two trees that tightly flanked it. (So tightly that the trunk of one had to be notched to allow the open bus door to pass without snagging. "Those trees didn't use to be that big," a bystander said.) Mountain Girl (her driver's license may show a different name, but the world knows her as Mountain Girl and her friends call her MG) looked up as people pushed the bus around a corner to ready it for the tow up the hill. "We used to do that a lot," she said. "We used to have to push it to get it started when the starter motor didn't work. Usually one of three things -- the starter, the brakes or the clutch -- was always either busted or just fixed and ready to go out again in about three days. We got to know every junkyard and parts store in the West." Zane Kesey allowed two days to extricate Furthur, but it was out of the swamp shortly after noon of the first day. Which is not to say the operation went off with military precision -- that's just not the Prankster way. No, the scene down in the swamp (a mercifully dry swamp, thanks to a lack of rain) was marinated in the same cheerful anarchy that Kesey and the Pranksters brought to those long ago Acid Tests. "No control freaks," Sunshine Kesey said. "Keep it loose. Dad encouraged randomness." Dogs and kids romped, mostly ignoring the trampled blackberry vines. Characters milled about -- young neo-hippies, one of whom later unslung a mandolin to sing "All You Need Is Drugs"; a documentary film crew; silver-bearded Prankster Izzy Whetstine in Technicolor tie-dye: Zane Kesey in purple tie-dye of his own; and Phil Dietz, who calls himself the last Prankster and who tapped a hand drum as people took a strain on the ropes and chains. Picture this: Zane Kesey on a small farm tractor hitched to a Chevy flatbed where seven people crouched to increase traction. A yellow tow strap hitched the truck to chains looped around Furthur's rear axle. But it wasn't enough to overcome years of immobility. So they lashed a thick rope to the tow strap, and people grabbed the robe in a tug-of-war with Time itself. Black smoke snorted from the tractor's stack, the truck's engine revved and its rear wheels spun, then bit. The pullers put their backs into it and Furthur inched backward as David Tipton walked alongside and shouted steering commands to Prankster George Walker in the driver's seat. "Is there a new plan?" Izzy Whetstine asked Hagen as the crew readied for the third and last attempt. "It's a constantly moving plan," Hagen said. "Was there an old plan?" "It was old the moment it became a plan." But Kesey's daughter was OK with the plan, whatever it may be. "My dad would've been thrilled that there's a new surge of energy behind the bus," Sunshine Kesey said. "It's not necessary to leave it as a story of the past because he wanted other people to take the craziness on the road. "To him it wasn't just the bus, it was the action of people coming together to make something happen. His philosophy was live in the moment and call the dance." John Foyston: 503-221-8368; johnfoyston@news.oregonian.com NEXT COMES THE HARD PART....raising the $$ for the restoration?? if you are interested in helping donate to the furthur restoration project please email "Stephen Greene" stephen@rockcorps.org Here is the old Key-Z.com verbiage from the excitement daze of the save the Bus project; tells it better than I could. I got it from the Internet archive known as 'the wayback machine.' Last post on this, figured you would find it interesting Pete.
Fookin brilliant!
No. There is no dominant ideology in peoplesforum - you just can't be a dick. Can you tone down your dickish tendencies? If so you will be able to post as many times there as you want since Robin is not the one holding you back - she wants to get you off probation.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You should attempt to grow one you phony bastard.
It seems to me in America the benefits to the oligarchs who rule America of jailing millions of Americans means you take them off the voting roles.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I never had a problem in a dive bar but it is what it is.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
He was being dickish at PF.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
A suggestion, don't go for a career in the diplomatic corps. In other words, shut the fuck up, you condescending idiot.
You know full well I am making fun of social conservatives who claim there is no separation of church and state. Christian democracy has nothing to do with religion as in pushing religion. It is a secular system. Many atheists are members and advocates. I believe atheist Thomas Jefferson would be a Christian democrat if he lived in Europe or a social democrat. In any case, there is more than one type of conservative is what I am getting at. I feel the current conservative ideology within America's 2 party oligarchy is bat shit crazy. They make no sense. They are not based on rationality, empirical evidence and their thinking is emotional rather than logical and appeals to regional/identity/tribal politics so I adopted a conservative ideology based on the traditional history of my ancestors.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Oh, so you don't like me posting in the sneakypete dickish syle. See?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
BS Robin would have kept spamming him with her leftard propaganda presented as fact, while others would have kept accusing him of being a Limbaugh shill until Robin finally would have banned him for refusing to be properly "re-educated."
Ken Kesey was introduced to LSD by the CIA.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Robin is not Goldi.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
So? Every single poster on that site parrots the same left wing kookery. No dissension is allowed.
Try discussing without the personal attacks and sexual insults and see what happens.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
If you are a frequent poster who presents a point of view not in line with the Party propaganda, you will be banned. Period.
Okie dokie artichokie
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
You weren't. You were flogging the dead horse of something already resolved. And doing it in a way that would bait Pete, so I just cut to the point of what you were being, which is insultingly condescending. All you did was prove my point about the reception Pete got. You baited to get Pete to explode, and as I'm already established at TPF, I just did the unpleasant chore of a reality check to spare your target the grief.
Thanks,I did. I had no idea there was ever a new bus. The old one was the only one I knew about.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Indeed. And as the law of unintended consequences bit them in the butt by helping spread the influence of a drug very useful in the right context, they realize their error in experimenting to see if LSD was useful in controlling people. I've used the drug when I was younger and found it very useful. I never over used it and have been careful in the context of use and who I've been with and when I've used it, so it was never a problem for me. Of course, I've been blessed with an indifference to drug abuse and never got into alcohol, tobacco and have only used cannabis infrequently. In fact, I was 21 before I did anything that could be considered a drug. LSD should be legal and controlled. Maybe not as freely legal as cannabis should be, but the government should not decide who uses it and why.
I guess you are unaware of the Rev-Rund Sharpton going to prisons in Florida to register voters in the last two elections? Gee,I wonder who his target audience was,and who he wants them to vote for?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yup. No matter how much he tries to sugar coat it,that's what he and some of the others were and are demanding.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You know full well I am making fun of social conservatives who claim there is no separation of church and state. No,I didn't. I believe atheist Thomas Jefferson would be a Christian democrat if he lived in Europe or a social democrat. I believe he would move to America. We have a Bill of Rights here,and he was a man that knew a little something about that sort of thing. I feel the current conservative ideology within America's 2 party oligarchy is bat shit crazy. I don't believe they are even conservatives. They are neo-cons,which means fascists dressed in designer suits instead of leather. I do agree the smartest of them are batshit crazy,though. IMHO,the typical neo-con foot soldier is so freaking stupid they barely comprehend complex thoughts like "water....wet". Of course,they share this trait with their socialist neo-commie brothers. They make no sense. They are not based on rationality, empirical evidence and their thinking is emotional rather than logical and appeals to regional/identity/tribal politics Once again,like their neo-commie socialist brothers,their whole philosophy is based on "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!". In other words,selfish self-interest and greed. They think if they follow the party line somebody is going to give them something. so I adopted a conservative ideology based on the traditional history of my ancestors. Uhhhhhh,ok.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That's the way I saw it,too. Some may argue over French socialism being better than German socialism,and they think that is open-minded debate and they are visionaries emitting profound thoughts. It's a collective.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The new bus was really Ken's pride and joy. Unlike the old one that was kept running on a shoestring budget, and created commotion, excitement, and was the vehicle of discovery and adventure, the new one is very immaculate and has a car show attention to detail for beauty, function, and is as close to new condition running as you can get a bus like that. The Keseys own a preforming arts venue in downtown Eugene a block from Ken's statue. The wake was there, and the new Further was the vehicle his body rode in when he laid in state. I went to the wake, and it brought tears to everyone's eyes to see that coffin on the back deck of Further as she drove slowly into and out of town to go back to Ken's farm. She was at the Further shows last summer, Further being the name of the latest Grateful Dead band incarnation. It is a venerated and respected vehicle here in Eugene and much of Oregon and is well loved and very well taken care of. Memorial article with pictures, Remembering Ken Kesey 1935-2001
All of these posters I believe started out at Libertypost and then moved on to other "Neil McIver" sites. The common theme among them at Libertypost was pretty much just "Bush sucks" which they shared with a lot of so called "paleo" conservatives, so it was hard to tell what anyone really believed at that time. Absent Bush, it's a lot clearer what these loons believe and they have pretty much filtered into their element, and they want to keep their .
Kesey lived just a few ridges to the East of us, about 20 miles away. I saw him countless times about town and at events over the past 20-plus years I've been here. When I would bump into him on the way to the bank or store when we lived just a few miles apart, he was never in too much of a hurry to stop and exchange a few words. His mastery of word crafting was always at the ready. The first time we crossed paths was backstage after a Dead show outdoors in rural Oregon in '82. Mingling in the afterglow of a great day, my simple greeting led to Kesey spinning a 10 minute thought provoking tale about a frog and a muskrat. I wish like hell I could remember it now. Ken's family here in Eugene has a vast presence as well as past. They moved here to live on his grandparents' farm in 1943, when he was eight years old. While attending the University of Oregon, where he became a star wrestler, he married his high school sweetheart, Faye Haxby, in 1956. Receiving a literary fellowship to Stanford, Kesey would then embark on a four year whirlwind that would produce the cornerstone of his most affective contributions to the changing and expanding face of America. After volunteering for LSD experimentation at Stanford in '61 and '62, he completed his first novel, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Published in '62, the novel struck a nerve at the core of our society by serving as a wake up call on a nation stirring out of a long slumber, challenging the predisposed norms and the terms of sanity. In '64, Kesey's second novel, Sometimes a Great Notion, was published. A sprawling, ambitious work immediately heralded as a great American classic, Kesey had brought to life with his vividly captivating descriptions a unique, mystical land called Oregon, whose harsh and unrelenting nature shapes the tough and original members of the Stamper's, a rural logging family in the 30s. That same year he had banded together some fellow LSD experimenters, called them the Merry Pranksters, and set out on the road as a traveling psychedelic show in a rainbow day-glo 1939 International bus called "Further," which he bought with earnings from Cuckoo's Nest. A notorious adventure of LSD-induced fun and chaos ensued as they pranked their way through America, forever immortalized in Tom Wolfe's book, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. At that time, the relatively unknown Grateful Dead became the house band for the Pranksters, and they maintained friendships throughout the years. In 1968 Ken moved back to Oregon and a rural farm south of Eugene, where he turned a huge barn into a large rambling house, raised a family, worked the land, raised cattle and immersed himself in the community. Ken Babbs, fellow Prankster and lifelong friend, lived nearby, and together they collaborated on Prankster adventures over the years. Ken's brother, Chuck, and his family founded and still run the successful Springfield Creamery, as well as operating a retail natural food store in Springfield until the mid 80s. Kit Kesey, Ken's nephew, has been a concert and video producer over the years, and in recent months took over the McDonald Theater in downtown Eugene and refurbished it as a live music venue. Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters recently performed there at a benefit in October. The last time I saw Ken was in early September, the night he introduced Taj Mahal at the grand opening of the theater, while I was shooting the event. Kesey contributed immensely to raising the bar in challenging the status quo to re-examine, renew, and embrace such fundamental American terms as "freedom," and "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," and to live them. He was full of stories, bigger than life, yet casually present, a ruggedly independent individual, who contributed endlessly to family and community, and the celebration of life. As one of Americas most affecting and colorful modern pioneers, he was truly a great American hero. Always ready to take a playful poke or a chastising swipe when he smelled bullshit, regardless of where it came from, he was never mean spirited. His approach to life was not from an adversarial or confrontational stance, but an offering of goodwill. Ken's creativity wasn't limited to his immense depth as a writer. He continually sought new theatrical vehicles and happenings to relay his message, whatever it may be. You might be listening to him read a new children's book and tell stories, in full shaman's garb on the steps of the library, or hearing him recite his heart-felt tribute to Jerry Garcia, or watching him belt out "Gloria," with Kool-Aid jug in hand, wearing a U.S. flag suit and top hat, backed by Bob Weir, Jack and Jorma. For a production of his children’s story, Little Tricker the Squirrel Meets Big Double the Bear, Kesey collaborated with the Eugene Ballet, with music by Art Maddox and sound effects provided by Kesey’s whimsical invention, The Thunder Machine. Ken’s generosity and compassion came across in many ways. He often teamed up with musician and friend Mason Williams for Mason’s annual Christmas show with the Eugene and Portland Symphonies. A few years back in Portland, Kesey showed up on stage in the role of a street Santa. A down and out alcoholic with a pint in his pocket. Directing members of a choir into the audience to collect money for the poor, he and Mason were able to hand out over $6,000 to homeless street people. The shocked symphony was reluctant to have Kesey return the next night, but rather than more antics, he delivered a wonderful reading of St. Matthew's Christmas Story. Sharing this valley and this community with Kesey has always been somehow comforting, being part in some sense of the continuing adventure, swept along just a little "further". His absence will leave a gaping hole around here, way bigger than you could drive a bus through. The world, as it is, will be a scarier place without him and his sometimes flamboyant but always thought provoking escapades. His life was honored in a solemn and celebratory memorial service at the McDonald Theatre, drawing a full house that filled the lobby and spilled out onto the street, where admirers milled about the psychedelic bus waiting to take him on a last ride home to his resting place. With Kesey’s rainbow marbled casket center stage, speakers included his career-long literary agent, Sterling Lord, University of Oregon President Dave Frohnmeyer, musician Mason Williams (who spoke and performed) and close friend and fellow Prankster Ken Babbs. Zane, his son provided various video clips of Ken at home and performing that brought smiles, laughter and tears. As the bus carrying Ken Kesey pulled out of sight, the clouds parted and a brief glimpse of a rainbow lit the sky. Farewell, my friend. " The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer -- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer." --Ken Kesey (C) Article and Photos by Tim Owen The Article was hard to read, at least on my laptop so as cutting and pasting pulled the hidden text from behind the black framing blocking it, here is a reposting of it. Ken lying in state at his memorial wake.
More sneakypete racialism based on nutso false reality. America is a police state with more people in prison than Russia or China combined - both on a per gross and per capita basis. "Land of the free"? More like "land of the jailed". So you can act like Europeans are less free because of some law against racial hate crimes they have but you can't over look the fact that they have less people in prison than the supposedly free bill of rights loving USA.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Just because you guys are used to the LP echo chamber you assume dissent is spam. If that is how smart you are and you can't defend your positions - then you are nothings and are posting where you belong, on this overtly racists, paranoid delusional forum of kooks. Stay here in the filth with the rest of the swine.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Jefferson liked Revolutionary France a lot and hated Hamilton's vision of America - the vision of America that won out over his vision.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
LOL! Hilarious.
I'm on TPF, Smirking Chimp, DU, KOS, this place and a few more. I don't have any one forum I 'live' at. Not to mention you lecture about name calling and here you are name calling. This place has problems, but every theater that is the vessel of the drama of human life has it's problems. This issue had been resolved and healing before you jumped back in to bait it on up to controversy level once more. Grow up.
You're confusing "dissent" with "insanity," aren't you?
Wow. The flying monkey has dubbed thee a special kind of "racialism." I'm jealous.
To have dissent is insane? Do insane tea baggers know they are insane?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Yea, Pete was off on a tear a while ago about a black woman retired from the military being buried in Arlington Cemetary. Real kooky racist stuff when he was posting on LP.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Ok,so they weren't all bad. Absent Bush, it's a lot clearer what these loons believe and they have pretty much filtered into their element, and they want to keep their . Yup,they have formed a collective.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
This forum deserves it. This place is a cesspool.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Are you suggesting "assault and battery," "rape," "murder," and "B & E" be downgraded to "misdemeanor" in the U.S.? Or are you endorsing total chaos? You should just be happy the Indonesian-Kenyan with the fake SS's# isn't in jail.
Wow, a conservative who trusts the govt with nothing except on crime and punishment? http://www.nolanchart.com/article3237.html Non-Violent Offenses Leads United States to World's Highest Incarceration Rate The United States has the highest incarceration rate amongst any country in the world, including China, Iran, Russia or any other socialistic country. Of every 99 people in America, 1 of them is in jail. Is America really a violent nation? In 2004, over half of the prisoners in state prisons were held for non-violent crime. This equals 640,000 non-violent crimes, 250,000 of which were for drug offenses. In Maryland, almost 70% of inmates are in jail for drug offences according to the Baltimore Sun. According to White House statistics nearly 40% of Americans have tried marijuana. Ninety- seven million people would be a lot of people to lock up. The problem with illegal drugs is the weakness of human nature. Everyone has vices, such as food, gambling, video games, tobacco, alcohol, and sex. How do you decide which vices are good and which are bad? Yearly deaths from alcohol and tobacco are 150,000 and 430,000 respectively. Illegal drugs, on the other hand, are estimated to have killed 28,000 people.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
That's a common question I'm sure you've asked many times at asylums. Do insane tea baggers know they are insane? Thank you for an already insane discussion. You must have the cutest little moonbat ears.
Got a link so we can judge for ourselves? You are showing that you indeed were not about prompting Pete like he was incapable of understanding forum culture and how to comport himself in it to allegedly 'reform' him well enough to be at TPF. Now you are in full blown character assassination mode. And what was that again about how people here are swine and this venue a dive bar full of racism and hate? Before you criticize others, don't be guilty of the same things you whine about.
Hearing reality rather than tea bag myths must be a crazy experiance for you.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
What's a tare? The would is close to "tar." As in "tar-baby." Racist.
It's the myth that keeps getting bigger and BIGGER! Better watch out that tea bag doesn't explode!! BOO!!
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I think part of the problem is the inability to hear dissent without that knee-jerk thing happening and assuming the dissenter is towing some imaginary party line. As an example, this morning I was told that I thought it was a good idea to nationalize the private sector, increase welfare benefits, and prop up government. I don't even know what propping up government means. I asked but got no answer.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Aaaah, NOW we get the gist of your whining. What we got here is... A damn, long-haired/now bald pot smokin' 60 year-old hippie! I thought you dinosaurs were nearly EXTINCT! How many times has your azz seen jail? P.S. - Power to da Peepuls!
Thanks, but I don't believe the bald, crazy, old dirty hippie's context was as you've defined "tare."
Not that you are being overly judgmental or anything like that.
What happens when they drown government in the bathtub?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
You are right, it was a typo obviously. I was just engaging in some dry humor at his expense.
I have never been in jail and in superior Europe few people are. In America, one out of 100 are felons and in most cases that loses them the right to vote for life. America sucks like that.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You set that up beautifully. ;-)
Since the govt is "We The People" I assume they commit suicide.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Wow, you got me on a typo! I will try and get you guys on general tea bag douchery.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
How do you know, Sybil? In America, one out of 100 are felons and in most cases that loses them the right to vote for life. America sucks like that. So you're a "pro-felon" militant?
I am totally judgmental.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I am just showing you that America has more people in jail than Red China does or Islamic Iran. In other words, how much America is not free, and how much it sucks to live there, i.e. not the greatest, freedom loving land on earth these days. It is clear "God did not shine his grace on thee" after all.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
So you're a "pro-felon" militant? Kind of nullifies the idea that one's debt to society is paid when his sentence is served, doesn't it? I believe that voting rights are restored in most states.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Super point considering this contrived tempest in a teapot he has started is a real time and energy waste. Here is a man waxing condescendingly about this forum lauding TPF's superior qualities to focus on and discuss issues and events in the news. And at the same time he's here in this thread wasting everyone's time with a dog and pony show derived from a minor point about someone getting in TPF. Ironic, isn't it?
Indeed. That is my point, genius.
Yes, but what's your crusade really about? Which laws would you like to reduce to misdemeanor or decriminalize? DRUG POSSESSION?? In other words, how much America is not free, and how much it sucks to live there, i.e. not the greatest, freedom loving land on earth these days. I agree. Things have gotten far worse with 0bama and the Dems at the helm of this runaway freight train. The TSA is terrible, there are cameras everywhere, the Dems are proposing controlling the internet and free speech, and 0bama has proposed his Brownshirt "People's Army."
You miss the point. The typo was minor fun at your expense an emotional healthy adult takes with good grace. When I started posting in 1995, I was a horrible speller. I definitely put on no airs there. I think the point being made is there is no point to this contrivance of a controversy you sparked yesterday. Unless it's to get at sneakypete. Some people have fights at places like say the Free Republic with someone and never let go of it. Perhaps this is an old ax you are grinding here, who's to say?
"One's debt to society" is NEVER really paid when "one" has assaulted, crippled, or murdered someone. Incarceration is really about "rehabilitation," but as a penalty. There are laws of which civilized people must abide in and to or else one loses his/hers/its privilege.
Well stated.
You should bear in mind I have had a ton of experience with infighting as an activist in real life. I have a huge amount of experience with agreeing with people, and going round and round with them on a person to person level. It is easy to achieve agreement with me politically, but trust must always be earned. I disagree with sneakypete on a large number of issues, but I would trust my back to him in a firefight, both real and metaphorically. That's something you really don't seem to understand well. Special Forces has something not many military components have, which is peering. At the end of the Special Forces Qualification Course for example, we were given a form to write down those who are graduating whom we would not trust while doing what we do. They tally names, and if some names appear on too many forms, the Cadre and Instructors investigate. They know that some people are good at acting and put on a good face to them only their peers see through. Trust is huge when your team has a small number of people in it, and you are sneaking around an Unconventional Warfare Operational Area. Peering people out gets a butt load of criticism from outside the SOCOM community, but it is a tool that helps accomplish the mission and saves lives. I trust Pete. With all due respect sir, I do not trust you. Trust has to be earned, and you are doing the opposite right now in doing that.
I guess you are unaware of the Rev-Rund Sharpton going to prisons in Florida to register voters in the last two elections? More sneakypete racialism based on nutso false reality. Official: Florida disenfranchised minority voters. At least one unauthorized law enforcement checkpoint was set up resulting in an investigation by state authorities. Non-felons were removed from voter checklists based on unreliable information in connection with state- sponsored felony purge policies. America is a police state with more people in prison than Russia or China combined - both on a per gross and per capita basis. "Land of the free"? More like "land of the jailed". Ok,so you really are a total fucking idiot if you think you can pass off press handouts by the DNC and the Tan Klan as facts that refute actual news reports. How long have you been posting on the internet now,all week? You should have known you weren't going to be able to get away with that kind of crap outside the closed cell of your collective. So you can act like Europeans are less free because of some law against racial hate crimes Is that how Euroweenies are defining Free Speech now? but you can't over look the fact that they have less people in prison than the supposedly free bill of rights loving USA. Admit it,Kamarade,you don't think citizens should be free to speak or think for themselves. Life is much easier when the Borg does all the thinking for you,isn't it? After all,if you never have to make any decisions you can never be wrong,right?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
If that is how smart you are and you can't defend your positions LOL! That should win some sort of Irony Award of the Week! All YOU post is spin,and you and your pals are so thick you find it impossible to understand the difference between receiving benefits from a insurance program you paid into for decades with welfare!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yeah,that's why he stayed there,huh?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
In Illinois it could be stealing something with a value of $150.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
But....,but.....,but....,it makes him feel like a warrior! A virtual knight in shining armor to dig up bones laid to rest and stir it all up again! How else can he go back to the Borg and thump his chest? Godwinson,defending Euroweenies 24/7,while claiming to want a better America.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I'm hurt. I just don't know how I will be able to go on after that. The only saving grace is he forgot to call me a "Anti-Semite".
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I was? Care to post the full details and thread,liar?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
This forum deserves it. This place is a cesspool. Senator Foghorn Godwinson proclaims,"De rules,dere,dey be for you! Dey don't be for ME! Lissen up,son! Ahma tryin' ta teech ya sumpthin!"
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Aaaah, NOW we get the gist of your whining. What we got here is... A damn, long-haired/now bald pot smokin' 60 year-old hippie! I thought you dinosaurs were nearly EXTINCT! I think what you are missing is that he swallows that leftist BullBarack whole. The whole "drug related offenses" encompasses crimes like prostitution,robbery,simple theft,assault,and anything else an addict has to do to feed the monster that owns them. No way in hell are 70% of the criminals in jail in even The People's Republic of Maryland in jail for simple possession. Period. MOST people are bright enough to understand the simple truth that "figures don't lie,but liars figure". Unfortunately,he's not one of them. And that's giving him the benefit of the doubt.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I may be wrong,but I suspect the tendency of both of those police states to either just take criminals out and shoot them in the head or cut their heads or other body parts like hands for thief's or sexual organs for rapists off with swords just MAY have something to do with that. Then again,that's just the sort of "Free Society" you seem to crave.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ironic, isn't it? True,but the good point is he is keeping me amused while I wait for my new 58 inch plasma teebee to be delivered. Found one on sale at almost half off with free delivery the day after I sold my 4x4 van,so had some "found money" to spend. Otherwise I would be WAAAAY too cheap to spend 1000 bucks on a tv. Even one that makes it easier for me to see and hear the programs.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I don't know about him,but that's damn sure something I am in favor of! Hell,we have people in this country serving more time for simple possession of drugs that some others serve for violent crimes like rape and murder. The money would be better spent on treatment or just giving the dedicated true addicts free drugs so they maintain or even check themselves off the planet if that is what the monster requires of them. Cheaper,too! Same thing with other "victimless crimes". There is no reason to lock these people up for years for basically causing grief for nobody but themselves. The TSA is terrible, there are cameras everywhere, the Dems are proposing controlling the internet and free speech, and 0bama has proposed his Brownshirt "People's Army." All that is true,but what you are forgetting is that he is in FAVOR of all that stuff.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What a stupid statement. Jefferson tried to fight for his vision and when he died it was still in flux which vision would win out. I don't get this stupid meme by your generation that harps to the "like it or leave it" slogan from the Archie Bunker decade? Must be an older generation thing were Americans who grew up in their sheltered reality suddenly had to confront criticizing of America's mythology and that is how they responded back.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
let's say that is true. So America, land of the free is 3rd in line behind those abominations? I mean there is a huge drop off when we get to the rest of the G7 nations so being 3rd does not make America look better.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
LOL! You're funny! All you do is whine about America while praising Old Europe,and then you chime in with complaints about "OLD FASHIONED" Americans.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Gee,that's awful "white of you". So America, land of the free is 3rd in line behind those abominations? Says who? Other than you,I mean. After all,your word can hardly be taken as the gospel,since you have already claimed we come in behind China and Iran and had to admit you were wrong.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
BFD! Does that prove he was unable to think for himself?
There is nothing wrong with getting older and losing patience with idiotic people and behavior. I understand Pete's impatience I wasn't talking about Pete. I was talking to Godwinson about his own behavior towards myself. Then his condemnation of Pete for doing the same thing.
LOL! I believe that if my aunt had gonads she'd be my uncle.
#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Ain't watching that crap.
#3. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Ain't watching that crap.
#4. To: lucysmom (#2)
you have to wait for others to tell you what to think
#5. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Ain't watching that crap.
#6. To: Ibluafartsky, lucysmom (#4)
So that's why you're listening.
#7. To: Godwinson (#6)
It is a observation of a constitutional duty.
#8. To: Ibluafartsky (#7)
I've heard enough of the usurper's bullshit. The economy is in a shambles, housing and construction suck, fuel prices are climbing, unemployment is in double digits
#9. To: Godwinson (#8)
Are you sure you are not talking about the Bush years?
#10. To: Godwinson, no gnu taxes, lucysmom (#5)
#11. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Ain't watching that crap.
#12. To: go65 (#10)
#13. To: Skip Intro (#11)
#14. To: Ferret Mike, go65, skiptard (#12)
he has command and focus of a president in charge and who knows how to lead and lead well.
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
I enjoyed it too. He was very good tonight as he clearly showed he has command and focus of a president in charge and who knows how to lead and lead well.
#16. To: go65 (#15)
It certainly helps that he's followed by a woman who doesn't know when slavery ended.
#17. To: go65, Ferret Mike (#15)
It certainly helps that he's followed by a woman who doesn't know when slavery ended.
#18. To: Skip Intro, Ferret Mike (#16)
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Did anyone watch the crazy lady? I'm sorry to say I missed her performance.
#19. To: go65, Skip Intro, Ferret Mike (#18)
It was also a dereliction of duty to avoid mentioning climate change as we wrap up the warmest year on record.
#20. To: go65 (#15)
#21. To: go65, Godwinson, lucysmom (#10)
It was your run-of-the-mill SOTU, somewhat subdued and less specific than years past and certainly nothing like Clinton's 1995 speech.
#22. To: go65 (#15)
It certainly helps that he's followed by a woman who doesn't know when slavery ended.
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
I really really enjoyed my time in Oregon,....I'd love to have a place on the coast and watch the fog sit till near noon,...with the heavy cedar fragrence in the air.
Before my retirement/pension/disability.,
I spent decades in the bush,climbing mountains,photography.
Ya,...I do not want corporations running around despoiling all that.
and so recorded by him to G Edward Griffin.
That from 1908 [there abouts] Carnegie Foundation sought to entangle America in foreign wars to reshape the nation.
and that the nations Judiciary and Education should be taken over by the Foundations,..and then lists out other Foundations participation.
So ya,....it is a socialist agenda which openly states the USA is to merge with the Soviet Union.
That is a coup,..and is against the very heart of the US Constitution.
It is an act which is done without consent of the Public,..and then becomes Intrigues as Politicians lie and conspire against their very own people.
The Foreign bankers and US Jeckyll Island Fed are conspiring against the nation.
Freedoms are dissapearing ...from overt EPA/UN Agenda 21 practice,...to the fake war on terror and Homeland Reich.
America is getting both socialism and fascism now.
#24. To: lucysmom, go65, Godwinson (#21)
He spoke to the center
#25. To: go65 (#10)
watched it, i enjoyed it because I enjoy hearing Obama speak, but I didn't see anything remarkable or ground-breaking. It was your run-of-the-mill SOTU, somewhat subdued and less specific than years past and certainly nothing like Clinton's 1995 speech.
#26. To: Parrot with speed dial (#23)
So ya,....it is a socialist agenda which openly states the USA is to merge with the Soviet Union.
#27. To: Godwinson (#25)
The GOP has zero ideas of course other than the market left alone will solve it but what has it solved? I see it caused disaster left unchecked.
#28. To: lucysmom (#22)
What network carried her speech?
#29. To: go65, lucysmom (#28)
I think just CNN, even Fox wouldn't cover it.
#30. To: Parrot with speed dial (#23)
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#31. To: Ferret Mike (#30)
I am very unhappy with many things about how many things are done in the world and the USA and why they do things that way.
#32. To: Godwinson (#25)
#33. To: Godwinson (#25)
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
I sure don't have an need to see pointless one liner insults and childish innuendo. ;-D
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#30)
I am not sure what your point here is you wish me to address or clarify. I spoke in general on how I felt Obama did in his speech tonight, and how well he preforms and who runs against him will determine if he gets my vote or if indeed I will vote in the 2012 Presidential election.
I generally post in a form which speaks to lurkers on threads,...with board participation secondary.
So ya....thats fine with me.
Recently however,....I've noticed a few real die hard Commies show up at LF and gloat.
Some others who appear mild socialists,..I suspect are raging commies too.
Obama becomes the litmus test in my opinion as to where someones world political views rest.
He's either Karl Marx champion we can do it.
or just another Democrat in the game we call American politics.
I would luv it if he were truly independent,.....A Black Man leading the Nation
Just as Black Pharaohs ruled Egypt.
Blacks have been thru hell in their journey called America.
they so deserve to have a Black President.
and....Americans all should support that.
He's a wrecker just as Bush was.
Both do as told....
The Elites play every paradigm possible
Obama is not doing what he said he would,...he lied like Bush,...and the wars continue,...Gitmo,..the Banker looting,...all of it.
This time....the Goob will be King George.
I try my best to be on the square.
I was run off from TOS for exposing Bush crimes.
I'm disliked at LP for that too.
Yet,...I'm the real deal,....and if the left does not like my view or opinion they are free to challenge that.
Canada is a socialist country with capitalism and the Queens power reach.
the Gov is put in by Elites,....recently,...the Liberals run one feeble goof after another.
Of course conservative socialist/stay the stauts quo Canadians will accept some foreign war and Harper,..over the weak opponents offered.
so its the same game as Mclunatic/Palin,....its set up to be an uncontested win for Obama.
Just as Canada's elections usually are quiet endings.
Soon Canada will be faced with adopting Napolitano Homeland Reich.
They have allready been trying to sneak that in,...with whistle blowers at least getting broad media attention to counter and wanting it debated in Parliament.
#36. To: Parrot with speed dial (#35)
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#37. To: Skip Intro (#11)
#38. To: Ferret Mike, Parrot with speed dial, Sneakypete (#36)
I have been hoping to see a few good conservatives join The-Peoples-forum.com as the ideology is no barrier there. But testiness, distrust and contentiousness from both those joining, and some already there have made that hard to see happen.
#39. To: Godwinson (#38)
#40. To: no gnu taxes (#37)
#41. To: Gerbil Mike (#40)
#42. To: no gnu taxes (#41)
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#42)
And I'm speaking for the people who wrote the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution in defending free speech. You feel you have leave to contradict the Founding Fathers and claim people with whom you disagree don't have the right to free speech.
#44. To: Ferret Mike, Sneakypete (#39)
Sneakypete has a right to his opinions. And he is not abusive, has a delightful sense of humor and I have known and trusted him since the mid ninties. He has lost nothing in terms of his abilities to be a responsible poster.
#45. To: no gnu taxes (#43)
your words: "You people are really too stupid to post on the Internet."
#46. To: Godwinson (#44)
#47. To: Ferret Mike (#45)
#48. To: no gnu taxes (#47)
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=128804&Disp=0#C0
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=128804&Disp=0#C0
#50. To: no gnu taxes (#49)
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
I posted on TOS for years because if this balance, and only when the joint to an unmercifully hard turn to the right
#52. To: sneakypete (#51)
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#53. To: Ferret Mike, Sneakypete (#46)
(Edited)
Insulted her? Bull shit. "Jim Robin" is an editorial comment with humor to it. He was expressing an opinion that Robin was being petty as Jim Robinson toward him.
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
Post #6, which is your account name there
#55. To: Godwinson (#53)
(Edited)
"Here you can be a pig not not there."
#56. To: no gnu taxes (#54)
#57. To: Godwinson, Ferret Mike, Parrot with speed dial (#38)
(Edited)
#58. To: sneakypete (#57)
(Edited)
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#52)
They did go fascist, however fascism is a situation where business controls government, and I don't agree that it is a left wing affectation.
#60. To: Godwinson (#53)
His forth post on there was in defense of Senator McCarthy's withc hunts - ok his opinion - but still dickish.
#61. To: Ferret Mike (#55)
I agree that The People's Forum has a strict no ad hominem policy. But attacking a person new to a forum as aggressively and unmercifully as Pete was based on the rule differences is hypocritical.
#62. To: sneakypete (#60)
All you can do is fall back on the communist rhetoric you have accepted as fact your whole life.
#63. To: Capitalist Eric (#58)
Well said, sir. VERY well said.
#64. To: no gnu taxes (#62)
I guess you've missed the posts where he said he was a solid right wing conservative most of his life.
#65. To: sneakypete (#59)
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
#67. To: sneakypete (#64)
#68. To: sneakypete (#66)
#69. To: Ferret Mike (#55)
I agree that The People's Forum has a strict no ad hominem policy. But attacking a person new to a forum as aggressively and unmercifully as Pete was based on the rule differences is hypocritical.
#70. To: sneakypete (#57)
My most humble apologies,Mastah!
#71. To: sneakypete (#60)
I stated that McCarthy was right and that everybody he accused of being a communist agent really WAS a communist agent.Prove me wrong,dipshit.
#72. To: sneakypete, Ferret Mike (#61)
Mike,IMHO,most of them did it because they had bumped heads with me in the past on other forums,but felt safe in going after me on the People's Forum because they had strength in numbers there and felt sure others would flock to their defense and get me banned.
#73. To: no gnu taxes, sneakypete (#67)
Does that mean that everything you type on a keyboard consists of far left talking points?
#74. To: Godwinson (#72)
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#75. To: sneakypete, Ferret Mike, Parrot with speed dial (#57)
He lost his ability to argue a point without insult, etc and I can see spending time on there caused him to lose his faculties.
#76. To: Ferret Mike, Godwinson, sneakypete (#55)
I read the thread, and there was a decided move to give this veteran the boot as soon as possible. A negative attitude about him was more in play than the desire to uphold the forum rules.
#77. To: lucysmom, sneakypete, Ferret Mike (#74)
As I recall, Sneaky wasn't banned, he was restricted to 3 posts a day, and then that was raised to 10.
#78. To: Ibluafartsky (#76)
#79. To: Godwinson (#73)
#80. To: Godwinson (#78)
You were likely been banned for being a troll
#81. To: no gnu taxes, Godwinson (#79)
Very "rational" of you.
#82. To: no gnu taxes (#79)
So you're claiming that as you support a move away from socialism in Europe as they realize its failures, you still support a move towards socialism in the US.
#83. To: Ibluafartsky (#80)
#84. To: Godwinson (#83)
Look at your troll forum name
#85. To: Ibluafartsky (#84)
#86. To: Godwinson (#82)
Most of Europe is not "socialist".
#87. To: no gnu taxes (#86)
(Edited)
"Christian democracy" is also a joke as applied there now. To start with, there is nothing about Christianity that deals with State policy, so the term was always an oxymoron. And now the policies are every bit secular in nature.
#88. To: Godwinson (#85)
Way to prove you are not a troll.....
#89. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
OBAMA HIT A HOME RUN!
#90. To: Godwinson (#87)
It is clear you have no idea what Christian democracy means
#91. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
I understand where you are going with your points about the two systems, but this is what I learned as a poli-sci major at The University of Oregon,
#92. To: Godwinson (#69)
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
#93. To: Godwinson, Ferret Mike, Parrot with speed dial, Sneakypete (#38)
He lost his ability to argue a point without insult
#94. To: Godwinson (#71)
I stated that McCarthy was right and that everybody he accused of being a communist agent really WAS a communist agent.Prove me wrong,dipshit.
#95. To: We The People, Ferret Mike, Parrot with speed dial, Sneakypete (#93)
#96. To: Godwinson (#73)
I find GOP conservatives laughable since they adopted Sarah Palin, Bachmann and Rush as their intellectual leaders.
#97. To: sneakypete (#94)
Wouldn't it have been easier to just type "I still can't prove you wrong"?
#98. To: Godwinson (#95)
Peoplesforum is where you wear office attire.
#99. To: sneakypete (#96)
You can go to jail for saying Hitler was a swell dancer,or for calling a politician a idiot in the press
#100. To: lucysmom (#74)
As I recall, Sneaky wasn't banned, he was restricted to 3 posts a day, and then that was raised to 10.
#101. To: Ibluafartsky (#98)
#102. To: sneakypete (#100)
Since there were more than 10 people there ratpacking and making multiple posts to me there was no reason for me to go back because I couldn't respond to their attacks with just 10 posts.
#103. To: Godwinson (#101)
Maker's Mark, actually.
#104. To: Godwinson (#75)
Since your advocacy was an obvious failure and it caused you a mental break down in your declining years I suggest you take up walks in the park and feeding pigeons than hanging out in forums......
#105. To: Ibluafartsky (#76)
(Edited)
That is typical of most liberal forums. Don't dare post an opposing opinion or you'll be gang attacked and out on your ass in a matter of a few posts.
#106. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete (#65)
"It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange
#107. To: Ibluafartsky, sneakypete (#105)
Don't dare post an opposing opinion or you'll be gang attacked and out on your ass in a matter of a few posts.
#108. To: sneakypete (#105)
I didn't even last that long as Salon. Seems like they had a watch on my screen name. I registered,got the approval,and then got the message "this screenname is banned" when I went to make my first post.
#109. To: sneakypete (#104)
BTW,think you might be able to find time in your busy schedule of spouting nonsense to prove me wrong about McCarthy?
#110. To: Capitalist Eric (#107)
Trolling for a piece of ass?
#111. To: Godwinson (#77)
That's correct and keeping him on was very much Robin's call against the wishes of others - and he still bad mouth's Robin as a Jim Rob when she was fighting against his banning.
#112. To: sneakypete (#111)
(Edited)
Which isn't surprising since the socialists on that board are big fans of European governments,and none of them have the freedoms we have here.
"It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange
#113. To: Godwinson (#82)
Every hear of Christian democracy? Social market?
#114. To: Godwinson (#87)
(Edited)
The GOP right wing fears Christian democracy they now advocate separation of church and state! LOL!
#115. To: We The People (#93)
You mean he calls others things like "bat shit crazy"?
#116. To: Godwinson (#97)
Wouldn't it have been easier to just type "I still can't prove you wrong"?
#117. To: Ibluafartsky (#110)
(Edited)
#118. To: Godwinson (#99)
Yet, less people are in actual jails in Europe than they are in America. So your "Land of the free" is an illusion. Because in practice Europe is not a police state - the USA is.
#119. To: sneakypete (#111)
Russians even have the right to possess private weapons now.
#120. To: Capitalist Eric (#117)
a pic that looks like a penis.
#121. To: Godwinson (#102)
#122. To: jwpegler (#106)
In practice, there was one difference between communists and fascists. The communists killed the goose that laid the golden egg, while the fascists exploited it.
#123. To: jwpegler (#112)
Switzerland has a freer economy than the U.S. and almost everyone has an automatic weapon in their closet.
#124. To: Capitalist Eric (#119)
(Edited)
Russians even have the right to possess private weapons now.
#125. To: sneakypete (#124)
#126. To: sneakypete (#124)
BTW,I MAY be wrong,but I SUSPECT you might have to become a Russian citizen before they would allow you to buy or legally possess a weapon there.
#127. To: Ibluafartsky (#108)
I posted there and lasted about 5 days despite the gang attacks. I've posted on a few other leftist sites, but was unceremoniously banned from each within a matter of days.
#128. To: Capitalist Eric (#125)
I've seen some of the Russian 9mm pistols- I wasn't impressed.
#129. To: Ibluafartsky (#126)
There are no problems bringing your rifle or shotgun into Russia. Handguns are not allowed.
#130. To: lucysmom (#127)
I have never known anyone to be banned from that board for political opinions.
#131. To: Godwinson, sneakypete (#95)
This website is a dive bar and I treat it as such.
#132. To: sneakypete (#130)
Seeing as how you are a leftie yourself,there is no reason you would even notice someone getting quickly banned from a leftist site.
#133. To: jwpegler (#106)
"In practice, there was one difference between communists and fascists. The communists killed the goose that laid the golden egg, while the fascists exploited it."
#134. To: lucysmom (#132)
#135. To: We The People, sneakypete, godwinson (#93)
(Edited)
"You mean he calls others things like "bat shit crazy"?"
#136. To: lucysmom (#127)
Endless crude references to abnormal sex acts along with personal attacks could do it however.
#137. To: lucysmom (#132)
When I was at Salon, they thought I was a rightie.
#138. To: sneakypete (#91)
(Edited)
"Sue them and get your tuition back."
ANYBODY that falls for the rhetoric of the political theorists of ANY stripe hook,line,and sinker is cruising for a fall. Theory is fine,but reality is where people have to live,and the reality is far from the theory.
#139. To: Ferret Mike (#134)
It is a matter of perspective, but it has a wee bit to do with my propensity to act in an iconoclastic manner wherever I am.
#140. To: Ferret Mike (#135)
I never want to make people happy as a prime directive, or to be manageable. I prefer to make people think and to keep learning until the day my body expires and I move to the next level. ;-D
#141. To: Ferret Mike (#138)
I remember one really earnest kid who was brown nosing Ken Kesey really horribly at one of the three New Years Parties I got to go to at his farm in Pleasant Hill, OR when I worked for Merry Prankster Mike Hagan (He was the man who filmed the trips around the country on Further the bus) and Ray Sewell.
#142. To: sneakypete (#139)
"Yeah,everybody seems to really hate that. They want to pigeonhole everybody into identifiable groups and feel betrayed when one of their on-line "friends" suddenly disagrees with some aspect of their favorite dogma."
#143. To: sneakypete (#141)
"Those must have been some interesting parties. Those guys REALLY "thought out of the box"."
#144. To: Ferret Mike (#142)
For example, Hagan is from a rich cowboy/rancher family from Pendleton, OR in Eastern, OR and a raging drunk
#145. To: Ferret Mike (#143)
I know that Ken himself could always afford to be laid back, merry or detached as he wished. As it wasn't him who would take you out if you crossed the line. It was his wife who at her best could scare a pack of raging pit bulls to death she could get so intense.
#146. To: sneakypete (#141)
#147. To: sneakypete (#145)
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#148. To: sneakypete (#145)
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#149. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
Thanks for the clarification. The only thing I was left unsure of is whether or not you are a U.S. citizen or Canadian.
so ya,...Parrot knows the riddle of steel : )
History affords some reprieve,....that opens doors to meet others who might share about their family's experiences in historical events,....and sometimes you meet people who were in the exact area of discussion or knew one of your family members.
After history,....my interests converge in the arena of Space science....in this case,....Electric Universe/Plasma cosmology and Celestial catastrophism ...aka Immanuel Velikovsky etc.
My first forums mid 90's were Graham Hancock - Ancient Civilization and Amarna Group [heavy Egyptology - Authors,proffessors and novices getting beat up for making mistakes.
Amarna E Group broke up with some becoming the Hall of MAAT
MAAT and Hancock's site scrap....one see's itself as pure,..with Hancock as pseudo science.
Hancocks site's message board has the same problems as many forums do with posters and their absolutism agenda's.
In my previous post to you,....mentioned Norman Dodd and his discovery of the US Foundations from Carnegie 1908 forward,...their design to bring America into continual war to create change,....their plans to control Education and the Judiciary.
Dodds discovery that the Foundations plan to merge the United States with Russia.
Most of the time ,...be it LP or just about anywhere's,...this topic gets no traction.
and ya,....most never both to go study the links provided and see the broader scope of whats been going on.
At this point,....I look at a nations situation and say,
Your being vaccined by socialism,communism and fascism,.....and its going to change you
In a redux form,...its easy to understand what is going on,
and as opined,....Obama is just another cutout from the Foundations and Bankers as the Bush Crime family was.
Obama is unique inthat he is out of left field [pun]....where as,...the system is kinda beholding to the Bush crime family for its historic reach going back to Prescott Bush,Walkers,Harriman and all the Nazi banker history.
All the US presidents since WW-2 have been cutouts.
Clinton is Rhodes,Jesuit Georgetown, etc.
They can bring their workers out from so many avenues....and spin that person via the media to appear the answer to the peoples request.
Bush played the so called compassionate conservative christian,....[what a joke]
I have no idea why Americans line up for the koolaid,...but they do.
They seem to believe the next one in will right the wrongs and make something good for the people.
when in fact,...its usually just foreign intervention,weapons sales,...wars,micro conflict and corporate expansions.
America is being used,...its middle class gutted,...and who knows what else they itend.
I'm a realist,.....these Elites and Bankers burned Europe down several times over since Napoleon.....anythings possible with this malthusian crowd.
#150. To: sneakypete (#145)
#151. To: Parrot with speed dial (#149)
#152. To: Parrot with speed dial (#149)
I'm a realist
#153. To: sneakypete (#145)
Ken Kesey's original bus rises from the swamp Four decades ago, the late Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters rolled across the country as psychedelic shock troops in a brightly painted bus called Furthur. Recently some remaining Pranksters -- plus kids, companions, young acolytes and dogs -- met at Kesey's farm to help his son Zane make Furthur roll again.
#154. To: Ferret Mike (#153)
"All You Need Is Drugs"
#155. To: sneakypete (#121)
You mean if I promise to color between the lines and learn to admire and praise European socialism? No thanks.
#156. To: Godwinson (#155)
you just can't be a dick.
#157. To: sneakypete (#118)
#158. To: Ferret Mike (#131)
I would say everyone seems to be getting along pretty darn good for an alleged dive bar.
#159. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete (#131)
know that had people left sneakypete to his own devices and overlooked the initial fire for effect that you called LP behavior, he would of settled right in and would of just been guilty of being a darn good and valuable poster.
#160. To: Godwinson (#159)
#161. To: Godwinson (#159)
"He was being dickish at PF."
#162. To: sneakypete (#114)
(Edited)
Yup,those GOP right-wingers that wrote the US Constitution.
#163. To: Ferret Mike (#161)
In other words, shut the fuck up, you condescending idiot.
#164. To: Ferret Mike (#131)
I know that had people left sneakypete to his own devices and overlooked the initial fire for effect that you called LP behavior, he would of settled right in and would of just been guilty of being a darn good and valuable poster.
#165. To: Ibluafartsky (#154)
Fookin brilliant!
#166. To: no gnu taxes (#164)
Robin would have kept spamming him with her leftard propaganda presented as fact, while others would have kept accusing him of being a Limbaugh shill until Robin finally would have banned him for refusing to be properly "re-educated."
#167. To: lucysmom (#166)
Robin is not Goldi.
#168. To: no gnu taxes (#167)
Every single poster on that site parrots the same left wing kookery. No dissension is allowed.
#169. To: lucysmom (#168)
Try discussing without the personal attacks and sexual insults and see what happens.
#170. To: no gnu taxes (#169)
If you are a frequent poster who presents a point of view not in line with the Party propaganda, you will be banned.
#171. To: Godwinson (#163)
#172. To: Ferret Mike (#153)
Last post on this, figured you would find it interesting Pete
#173. To: lucysmom (#165)
"Ken Kesey was introduced to LSD by the CIA."
#174. To: Godwinson (#157)
It seems to me in America the benefits to the oligarchs who rule America of jailing millions of Americans means you take them off the voting roles.
#175. To: Ferret Mike, Godwinson (#161)
In other words, shut the fuck up, you condescending idiot.
#176. To: Godwinson (#162)
Yup,those GOP right-wingers that wrote the US Constitution.
#177. To: no gnu taxes, lucysmom (#167)
Every single poster on that site parrots the same left wing kookery. No dissension is allowed.
#178. To: sneakypete (#172)
#179. To: sneakypete (#177)
#180. To: sneakypete (#172)
Saturday, November 10th, 2001 marks a day of mourning and reflection here in Eugene, as we deal with the passing of our friend Ken Kesey, author, storyteller, cultural pioneer, innerspace astronaut, family man and salt of the Oregon earth. A day as typically Oregon-beautiful as I've seen; warm, hazy sun, not the slightest stir of a breeze, upper 60s, a myriad of stunning cloud patterns floating ever so slowly across the sky... but the quiet stillness, the pastel colors against the glittering greens of the tree covered rolling foothills; an unmistakable omni-presence of magic, of energy release, of peace, of joy.
#181. To: sneakypete, Ferret Mike (#174)
I guess you are unaware of the Rev-Rund Sharpton going to prisons in Florida to register voters in the last two elections?
#182. To: no gnu taxes, Ferret Mike, sneakypete, lucysmom (#164)
Robin would have kept spamming him with her leftard propaganda presented as fact, while others would have kept accusing him of being a Limbaugh shill until Robin finally would have banned him for refusing to be properly "re-educated."
#183. To: sneakypete (#176)
I believe he would move to America.
#184. To: sneakypete (#111)
I called her Jim Robin when she restricted me to only 3 posts a day for unapproved thought.
#185. To: Godwinson (#182)
(Edited)
#186. To: Godwinson (#182)
Just because you guys are used to the LP echo chamber you assume dissent is spam.
#187. To: sneakypete, Godwinson (#181)
sneakypete racialism
#188. To: Liberator (#186)
You're confusing "dissent" with "insanity," aren't you?
#189. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#187)
(Edited)
Wow. The flying monkey has dubbed thee a special kind of "racialism."
#190. To: no gnu taxes (#179)
The common theme among them at Libertypost was pretty much just "Bush sucks"
#191. To: Ferret Mike (#185)
Not to mention you lecture about name calling and here you are name calling.
#192. To: Godwinson (#181)
You can't over look the fact that they [Europeans] have less people in prison than the supposedly free bill of rights loving USA.
#193. To: Liberator (#192)
Are you suggesting "assault and battery," "rape," "murder," and "B & E" be downgraded to "misdemeanor" in the U.S.?
#194. To: Godwinson (#188)
To have dissent is insane?
#195. To: Godwinson (#189)
"Yea, Pete was off on a tare a while ago about a black woman retired from the military being buried in Arlington Cemetary. Real kooky racist stuff when he was posting on LP."
#196. To: Liberator (#194)
#197. To: Godwinson, sneakypete (#189)
Pete was off on a tare...
#198. To: Godwinson (#196)
tea bag myths
#199. To: Liberator (#197)
What's a tare?
#200. To: Godwinson (#182)
Just because you guys are used to the LP echo chamber you assume dissent is spam.
#201. To: Godwinson (#193)
In Maryland, almost 70% of inmates are in jail for drug offences according to the Baltimore Sun. According to White House statistics nearly 40% of Americans have tried marijuana. Ninety- seven million people would be a lot of people to lock up.
#202. To: Ferret Mike (#199)
#203. To: Godwinson (#191)
"This forum deserves it. This place is a cesspool."
#204. To: Godwinson (#193)
Wow, a conservative who trusts the govt with nothing except on crime and punishment?
#205. To: Liberator (#202)
#206. To: Liberator (#201)
#207. To: Ferret Mike (#205)
I was just engaging in some dry humor at his expense.
#208. To: lucysmom (#204)
(Edited)
What happens when they drown government in the bathtub?
#209. To: Ferret Mike, Liberator, lucysmom (#205)
#210. To: Godwinson (#206)
I have never been in jail and in superior Europe few people are.
#211. To: Ferret Mike (#203)
Not that you are being overly judgmental or anything like that.
#212. To: Liberator (#210)
#213. To: Liberator, Godwinson (#210)
In America, one out of 100 are felons and in most cases that loses them the right to vote for life. America sucks like that.
#214. To: lucysmom (#204)
"What happens when they drown government in the bathtub?"
#215. To: Godwinson (#211)
"I am totally judgmental."
#216. To: Godwinson (#212)
I am just showing you that America has more people in jail than Red China does or Islamic Iran.
#217. To: Godwinson (#209)
"Wow, you got me on a typo!"
#218. To: lucysmom (#213)
Kind of nullifies the idea that one's debt to society is paid when his sentence is served, doesn't it?
#219. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete (#217)
Unless it's to get at sneakypete. Some people have fights at places like say the Free Republic with someone and never let go of it. Perhaps this is an old ax you are grinding here, who's to say?
#220. To: Godwinson (#212)
(Edited)
#221. To: Godwinson (#181)
#222. To: Godwinson (#182)
Just because you guys are used to the LP echo chamber you assume dissent is spam.
#223. To: Godwinson (#183)
Jefferson liked Revolutionary France a lot and hated Hamilton's vision of America - the vision of America that won out over his vision.
#224. To: Liberator (#218)
#225. To: Ferret Mike, Godwinson (#185)
This issue had been resolved and healing before you jumped back in to bait it on up to controversy level once more. Grow up.
#226. To: Liberator, Godwinson (#187)
Wow. The flying monkey has dubbed thee a special kind of "racialism."
#227. To: Godwinson (#189)
Yea, Pete was off on a tear a while ago about a black woman retired from the military being buried in Arlington Cemetary. Real kooky racist stuff when he was posting on LP.
#228. To: Godwinson, Ferret Mike (#191)
Not to mention you lecture about name calling and here you are name calling.
#229. To: Liberator, Godwinson, Ferrett Mike (#201)
In Maryland, almost 70% of inmates are in jail for drug offences according to the Baltimore Sun. According to White House statistics nearly 40% of Americans have tried marijuana. Ninety- seven million people would be a lot of people to lock up.
#230. To: Godwinson (#212)
I am just showing you that America has more people in jail than Red China does or Islamic Iran.
#231. To: Ferret Mike (#214)
And at the same time he's here in this thread wasting everyone's time with a dog and pony show derived from a minor point about someone getting in TPF.
#232. To: Liberator, Godwinson (#216)
Which laws would you like to reduce to misdemeanor or decriminalize? DRUG POSSESSION??
#233. To: sneakypete, Godwinson (#223)
Yeah,that's why he stayed there,huh?
#234. To: sneakypete (#230)
I may be wrong,but I suspect the tendency of both of those police states to either just take criminals out and shoot them in the head or cut their heads or other body parts like hands for thief's or sexual organs for rapists off with swords just MAY have something to do with that.
#235. To: Godwinson (#233)
Must be an older generation thing were Americans who grew up in their sheltered reality suddenly had to confront criticizing of America's mythology and that is how they responded back.
#236. To: Godwinson (#234)
let's say that is true.
#237. To: lucysmom (#165)
Ken Kesey was introduced to LSD by the CIA.
#238. To: Ferret Mike, Godwinson, sneakypete (#135)
You mean he calls others things like "bat shit crazy"?"
#239. To: Godwinson (#162)
I believe atheist Thomas Jefferson would be a Christian democrat if he lived in Europe or a social democrat.
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