Title: OBAMA HIT A HOME RUN! Source:
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Ain't watching that crap.
Just reporting beforehand what the MSM reaction will be.
#38. To: Ferret Mike, Parrot with speed dial, Sneakypete (#36)
I have been hoping to see a few good conservatives join The-Peoples-forum.com as the ideology is no barrier there. But testiness, distrust and contentiousness from both those joining, and some already there have made that hard to see happen.
I cut my posting teeth on open forums where people of all political stripe belonged to the virtual community, and I have seen that work really well. And I miss that. It would be nice to see you there, and I would guard your flanks as I did with Sneakypete when he visited should you want to join onto the mix at another venue.
The-Peoples-forum.com is as close to that free thinking environment you will get that is from the old right wing pre George Bush.
With that said, sneakypete - and I know his posting history from way back, went crazy by sticking around Libertypost too long and taking on their bad habits.
He lost his ability to argue a point without insult, etc and I can see spending time on there caused him to lose his faculties.
Sorry, sneaky. That is how I see it. I pinged you as a courtesy only. I am not seeing a response from you because I know it will be lame and predictable. You, can surprise me of course and reform yourself but I doubt it.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Sneakypete has a right to his opinions. And he is not abusive, has a delightful sense of humor and I have known and trusted him since the mid ninties. He has lost nothing in terms of his abilities to be a responsible poster.
If he decides to return and try to post at the People's Forum again, be advised I will defend his right to be there. And if people are inappropriately ugly toward him, I will be ugly right back.
And I'm speaking for the people who wrote the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution in defending free speech. You feel you have leave to contradict the Founding Fathers and claim people with whom you disagree don't have the right to free speech. And you seem to feel you have the agency to speak for all others close to you ideologically here in this forum.
I call bull shit you you there. This is no surprise as your act has been consistently an extremely egocentric one since you first showed up in these forums.
And I'm speaking for the people who wrote the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution in defending free speech. You feel you have leave to contradict the Founding Fathers and claim people with whom you disagree don't have the right to free speech.
I have no idea what you are babbling about. I certainly have never tried to suppress anyone's speech (like you find on the leftard forums). I've never called for anyone's banning over what they say (like you find on the leftard forums).
I just reserve the right to tell you how full of shit you are.
Sneakypete has a right to his opinions. And he is not abusive, has a delightful sense of humor and I have known and trusted him since the mid ninties. He has lost nothing in terms of his abilities to be a responsible poster.
If he decides to return and try to post at the People's Forum again, be advised I will defend his right to be there. And if people are inappropriately ugly toward him, I will be ugly right back.
I did not see that good side of him on Peoples-forum. He was given probation period and he insulted the forum moderator for having a different opinion than her. He went kook-berger is my guess.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
your words: "You people are really too stupid to post on the Internet."
And you have posted threads with the intent to browbeat me and don't even try to infer that didn't have an element of trying to rattle my cage out of here.
You are a legend in your own mind, and you have no sound ethical sense in anything you do in forum.
That's just the facts. And a right back atcha that you are full of shit.
Insulted her? Bull shit. "Jim Robin" is an editorial comment with humor to it. He was expressing an opinion that Robin was being petty as Jim Robinson toward him.
As someone who has talked to Robin and who knows she does not begrudge him being there, and merely made an honest mistake she corrected in how she tried to initially change someone else's cutting him to three posts a day to ten posts a day, I disagree with Pete.
But that is the problem; people get so angry and defensive it is only human to assume the worst. I am guilty at times of doing the same thing, so I sure don't speak down to anyone in that paticular regard.
But I do take seriously the obligation to defend anyone's right to speak even should I disagree with them.
Pete was banned when he first joined Free Republic because the overhead thought he was bull shitting about his military service as a Special Forces trooper who served honorably and who went to Vietnam.
The S.F. community current and former corrected this and he was reinstated.
I have never seen Pete not say what he honestly believes, and he is never out to screw with anyone just to do that as a Yukon or a Mad Dog would. And I am former S.F. too and consider him brethren.
And you also claim not to be racist, yet you pandered to people like BSUSA in this other forum with this photo exaggerating racial characteristics of people of his ethnic background in a very racist manner.
You are generally doing better in recent days in posting articles without re- writing the property of others as you have done, and I want you to know I appreciate that and commend you for this.
I sure don't begrudge you posting your viewpoint and posting pieces you agree with and like, so I see no point in extending this exchange into pissing context territory.
You have given your view on this and I mine, let's leave it at that for the time being. Being coy enough to stay close to plausible denial when one reinforces intolerance of race or speech is still racism and a promotion of censorship as far as I am concerned.
You disagree this is your tactical modus of operation, and I will just watch and see how well you back up your words here with your actions.
I posted on TOS for years because if this balance, and only when the joint to an unmercifully hard turn to the right
I resent that. They went fascist,which is NOT to the right of anything. Fascism is a left-wing movement. Always has been,always will be.
To be fair,there is no shortage of ignorant loons that THINK they are on the right,when all they do is support statism in the form of working towards a religious state. For some odd reason they never seem to acknowledge the Christian Left. It's just like they don't exist.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
They did go fascist, however fascism is a situation where business controls government, and I don't agree that it is a left wing affectation.
Under fascism, the rights of corporations and the rich and powerful is what is considered the only thing to do, even if it hurts the rights and freedoms of the people living under such a form of government.
Insulted her? Bull shit. "Jim Robin" is an editorial comment with humor to it. He was expressing an opinion that Robin was being petty as Jim Robinson toward him.
Robin was giving pete many chances. It was others who cut him off.
His third post on peoplesforum was overtly racist in tone - not enough to get banned but enough to make him look like a dick.
His forth post on there was in defense of Senator McCarthy's withc hunts - ok his opinion - but still dickish.
By his 6th post he is accusing posters of being commies
By his 7th or 8th post he is calling other posters "stupid" and then he got worse and he started calling Robin clueless idiot because she disagreed with pete's warped view of reality. I think Pete lost it because he was asked to back his nutso thoughts up with facts and he had no ability to do that. My guess anyway for why he went into meltdown like that.
Sorry,the peoples forums is not a place for that kind if discourse. Here you can be a pig not not there.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You kind of blow your point by descending into derogatory references.
I agree that The People's Forum has a strict no ad hominem policy. But attacking a person new to a forum as aggressively and unmercifully as Pete was based on the rule differences is hypocritical.
It behooves people supporting a strong no ad hominem policy not to be too aggressive, quick to judge, and act with an obvious motive to get someone they don't like banned instead of following the Golden Rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
I read the thread, and there was a decided move to give this veteran the boot as soon as possible. A negative attitude about him was more in play than the desire to uphold the forum rules.
And not having the keys to the moderator's screen I am not going to argue who's account name is who's beyond this exchange of opinions.
It is my opinion you are that interlocutor, you have the right to disagree. Account names and who owns them are something anyone who has a long experiance in forums becomes good at spotting who owns them, and who does not.
For example, whoever posted as Rotara yesterday was not him. Some of the posts were cut and paste copy from real posts by him at 4UM, he is not in the country, and if he had been on line from Central America last night, he would of posted at 4UM too.
#57. To: Godwinson, Ferret Mike, Parrot with speed dial (#38)(Edited)
With that said, sneakypete - and I know his posting history from way back, went crazy by sticking around Libertypost too long and taking on their bad habits.
He lost his ability to argue a point without insult, etc and I can see spending time on there caused him to lose his faculties.
Nope. What it was was 10+ years of dealing with fools and trying to reach the unreachable made me lose all my patience for it. I can tolerate a fool that is young and teachable,but somebody living today that has been on the internet for years and years and STILL thinks socialism is the light of the future is nothing more than a fucking oxygen thief. They are either too stupid to cross the streets by themselves,or so greedy they don't give a damn what happens to the country as long as THEY get what THEY want. The ultimate "Fuck YOU,ME FIRST!" brand of thinking.
I have no tolerance for these people and I make no apologies for not pretending they may have valid opinions.
In fact,I now have very little tolerance for ANY dogmatic idiot that thinks there is such a thing as a political and economic system that is perfect in itself and doesn't borrow from other models. You can't discuss anything with these fools of either the self-proclaimed left or the self-proclaimed right without them being more concerned with scoring points than they are discussing reason.
I have these fools on the left tell me my EARNED VA benefits are welfare in a lame attempt to defend welfare,and fools that claim they are from the right claiming that Social Security is what makes America a socialist state,and that it should be stopped immediately and no more money paid into it. Mostly because THEY think the money won't be there for them when THEY retire,and because THEY have private retirement plans and enough disposable income each week to pay into them.
It's like these idiots are too stupid to realize that not EVERYBODY can or even SHOULD be a successful upper middle-class wage earner. We still need cooks,truck drivers,etc,etc,etc. The country won't function without workers to work these so-called "menial jobs" that don't pay much,and these people surely deserve to not have to go hungry and without medical care when they get too old to work anymore. After all,the work they performed their whole working lives was essential work that was needed in order to free up the time of the people who thing their own labors were "more valuable" so they could go out and earn 6 figure salaries.
They are the mirror image of you lefties who resent anybody that you consider to be "rich",and want the government to punish them for their success. And,of course,you define "rich" as "anybody that earns 1 dollar a week more than Me!"
And of course all these people are the true-believer partisan hacks from both branches of the ruling party. The same people that defended Boy Jorge when he was doing what the current traitor in the WH is doing now but slamming him for it,and their mirror-image buddies on the other side of the partisan argument that slammed the hell out of Boy Jorge for doing it,but now praising the current traitor for expanding Boy Jorges policies.
Sorry, sneaky. That is how I see it. I pinged you as a courtesy only. I am not seeing a response from you because I know it will be lame and predictable. You, can surprise me of course and reform yourself but I doubt it.
My most humble apologies,Mastah! I hope that I have no offended thee too much,or surely I will have to end my own life,for surely you know how important your opinion of me is!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I can tolerate a fool that is young and teachable,but somebody living today that has been on the internet for years and years and STILL thinks socialism is the light of the future is nothing more than a fucking oxygen thief. They are either too stupid to cross the streets by themselves,or so greedy they don't give a damn what happens to the country as long as THEY get what THEY want. The ultimate "Fuck YOU,ME FIRST!" brand of thinking.
I have no tolerance for these people and I make no apologies for not pretending they may have valid opinions.
In fact,I now have very little tolerance for ANY dogmatic idiot that thinks there is such a thing as a political and economic system that is perfect in itself and doesn't borrow from other models. You can't discuss anything with these fools of either the self-proclaimed left or the self-proclaimed right without them being more concerned with scoring points than they are discussing reason.
I have these fools on the left tell me my EARNED VA benefits are welfare in a lame attempt to defend welfare,and fools that claim they are from the right claiming that Social Security is what makes America a socialist state,and that it should be stopped immediately and no more money paid into it. Mostly because THEY think the money won't be there for them when THEY retire,and because THEY have private retirement plans and enough disposable income each week to pay into them.
It's like these idiots are too stupid to realize that not EVERYBODY can or even SHOULD be a successful upper middle-class wage earner. We still need cooks,truck drivers,etc,etc,etc. The country won't function without workers to work these so-called "menial jobs" that don't pay much,and these people surely deserve to not have to go hungry and without medical care when they get too old to work anymore. After all,the work they performed their whole working lives was essential work that was needed in order to free up the time of the people who thing their own labors were "more valuable" so they could go out and earn 6 figure salaries.
They are the mirror image of you lefties who resent anybody that you consider to be "rich",and want the government to punish them for their success. And,of course,you define "rich" as "anybody that earns 1 dollar a week more than Me!"
And of course all these people are the true-believer partisan hacks from both branches of the ruling party. The same people that defended Boy Jorge when he was doing what the current traitor in the WH is doing now but slamming him for it,and their mirror-image buddies on the other side of the partisan argument that slammed the hell out of Boy Jorge for doing it,but now praising the current traitor for expanding Boy Jorges policies.
Well said, sir. VERY well said.
To my eternal shame, I voted for W. twice, before I figured out the system was completely rigged.
I grew up.
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke --
They did go fascist, however fascism is a situation where business controls government, and I don't agree that it is a left wing affectation.
Both result in no individual freedoms and police states in total control of the economy via a central bank. Ergo,they are the same.
To paraphrase a famous quote,"A Nazi/communist is a Nazi/communist,by any other name." Both know what is best for you,and you had damn sure better listen if you want to keep your head.
The REAL truth is both are nothing more than a return to feudalism,with Dukes,Princes,and Kings going by new titles.
Under fascism, the rights of corporations and the rich and powerful is what is considered the only thing to do, even if it hurts the rights and freedoms of the people living under such a form of government.
And that's NOT what happens under communism? Since when? Who do you think owns the factories in communist countries if not the Commissars and the Politburos?
The PRIME difference between communism and fascism is that fascists get to have more fun because they don't have to hide their wealth and luxuries,and to be fair there is a little more freedom for the serfs living in a fascist state than a communist state. Providing they behave themselves,that is.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
His forth post on there was in defense of Senator McCarthy's withc hunts - ok his opinion - but still dickish.
I stated that McCarthy was right and that everybody he accused of being a communist agent really WAS a communist agent.Prove me wrong,dipshit.
Can't do it,can you? All you can do is fall back on the communist rhetoric you have accepted as fact your whole life.
Sorry,the peoples forums is not a place for that kind if discourse. Here you can be a pig not not there.
Yup,youse a bunch of Sensitive Socialists (TM) over there,and you do love your group think!
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I agree that The People's Forum has a strict no ad hominem policy. But attacking a person new to a forum as aggressively and unmercifully as Pete was based on the rule differences is hypocritical.
Mike,IMHO,most of them did it because they had bumped heads with me in the past on other forums,but felt safe in going after me on the People's Forum because they had strength in numbers there and felt sure others would flock to their defense and get me banned.
They don't want to hear opposing ideas. They want the safe and comfy lies they are using to hearing.
One of the most ludicrous posts I read there was somebody posting they were mostly conservatives that had been ran off other forums by radical right wingers.
That was the equivalent of hearing Helen Thomas say she is a beauty queen.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I guess you've missed the posts where he said he was a solid right wing conservative most of his life.
LOL!
Well,nobody can accuse that boy of not having a sense of humor,can they?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Communism upholds the notion of a stateless society with everyone in it being equal. Supposedly no one is rich, or poor. In this system, it is the community at large who owns resources and the system of production.
With Fascism, it pertains to the state and considers it on top of everything. Under that system, the state is all encompassing and for fascists, no human values exist outside of the state.
Fascists contend the state is everything with nothing above it, outside of it or against it. They believe in a system that believes in nationalism (includes economic nationalism), corporatism (includes economic planning), militarism and totalitarianism (dictatorship and social interventionism).
By and large, Communists think globally, but Fascists only care to think in terms of things only existing on a national level.
Communism upholds the notion of a stateless society with everyone in it being equal. Supposedly no one is rich, or poor. In this system, it is the community at large who owns resources and the system of production.
LOL! Good one. I am not talking about the Santa Claus fantasy,I'm talking about the slave state reality.
With Fascism, it pertains to the state and considers it on top of everything. Under that system, the state is all encompassing and for fascists, no human values exist outside of the state.
See? Even you know they are the same. You just haven't completely shed your indoctrination and put it together yet.
Fascists contend the state is everything with nothing above it, outside of it or against it. They believe in a system that believes in nationalism (includes economic nationalism), corporatism (includes economic planning), militarism and totalitarianism (dictatorship and social interventionism).
In other words,modern day China.
And the future America/North American Economic Zone unless we get VERY lucky.
It will be economic fascism without the nationalism,though. The new globalist fascism with no borders. Only the very best and most trendy version of fascism,if you please!
By and large, Communists think globally, but Fascists only care to think in terms of things only existing on a national level.
Uhhh,ever heard of a couple of guys named Hitler and Mussolini? Seems to me that both sent their armies on vacations outside their national borders.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Are you guys the perfect stereotypes of the leftist?
I am an ex Conservative Republican so I know your positions well because I was once like you or associated with you types. I am an independent rationalist now.
Godwinson posted on 2011-01-24 21:29:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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independent rationalist
bwahahaha
Does that mean that everything you type on a keyboard consists of far left talking points?
I disagree, there is a profound difference between the two; as in Communism, the state has custodial control of everything, but in Fascism the state control.
So, as I see it we are arguing over the difference between ownership and control. You seem to think they are two sides of the same coin, but Communism is more a socio-economic model that upholds an allegedly classless, stateless and egalitarian society.
Fascism is more an ideology that works to bring together radical and authoritarian nationalism.
I understand where you are going with your points about the two systems, but this is what I learned as a poli-sci major at The University of Oregon, which I know you would consider a left wing ideology training camp.
Which you are welcome to do, but I learned to think freely there and was a student, not a pupil learning propaganda to regurgitate on command. ;-)
I agree that The People's Forum has a strict no ad hominem policy. But attacking a person new to a forum as aggressively and unmercifully as Pete was based on the rule differences is hypocritical.
I did not see people attack pete unless by asking him to back up hist statements you mean attack.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Mike,IMHO,most of them did it because they had bumped heads with me in the past on other forums,but felt safe in going after me on the People's Forum because they had strength in numbers there and felt sure others would flock to their defense and get me banned.
Pete, I know for a fact you were welcomed enthusiastically on People's Forum by someone who then asked you be banned when you started your rude behavior there. So you can spin it all you want but I know the story.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Does that mean that everything you type on a keyboard consists of far left talking points?
Why are you asking pete? I am the one that wrote it badeye. I support the political philosophy of social democracy as found in Sarkozy's party (right of center) and as found in Germany under Merkel.
I find GOP conservatives laughable since they adopted Sarah Palin, Bachmann and Rush as their intellectual leaders.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
As I recall, Sneaky wasn't banned, he was restricted to 3 posts a day, and then that was raised to 10.
Also Sneaky had a couple of staunch supporters despite his behavior.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#75. To: sneakypete, Ferret Mike, Parrot with speed dial (#57)
He lost his ability to argue a point without insult, etc and I can see spending time on there caused him to lose his faculties.
Nope. What it was was 10+ years of dealing with fools and trying to reach the unreachable made me lose all my patience for it.
Since your advocacy was an obvious failure and it caused you a mental break down in your declining years I suggest you take up walks in the park and feeding pigeons than hanging out in forums......
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I read the thread, and there was a decided move to give this veteran the boot as soon as possible. A negative attitude about him was more in play than the desire to uphold the forum rules.
That is typical of most liberal forums. Don't dare post an opposing opinion or you'll be gang attacked and out on your ass in a matter of a few posts. I've never been banned from an open or "conservative" forum, but every liberal forum I've posted on I've been given the boot.
As I recall, Sneaky wasn't banned, he was restricted to 3 posts a day, and then that was raised to 10.
That's correct and keeping him on was very much Robin's call against the wishes of others - and he still bad mouth's Robin as a Jim Rob when she was fighting against his banning.
That's Sneakypete's view of the world (which he has every right to) in a nutshell if you ask me.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You were likely been banned for being a troll and I should know since I know your posting history for a while now. Sneaky was not banned he was restricted due to insults in his posts.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.