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Published: Jan 25, 2011
Author: just sayin
Post Date: 2011-01-25 21:35:45 by no gnu taxes
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Ain't watching that crap. Just reporting beforehand what the MSM reaction will be.
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#5. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Willful meet Ignorance.
I watched it, i enjoyed it because I enjoy hearing Obama speak, but I didn't see anything remarkable or ground-breaking. It was your run-of-the-mill SOTU, somewhat subdued and less specific than years past and certainly nothing like Clinton's 1995 speech. Obama continues to show that he's the adult in the room, which is why is his approval ratings are going up now that he's got a bunch of loons in the opposition. Even Rasmussen now has Obama at a 52% approval rating with a -5 strong disapprove, his best showing since 9/09.
I enjoyed it too. He was very good tonight as he clearly showed he has command and focus of a president in charge and who knows how to lead and lead well.
It certainly helps that he's followed by a woman who doesn't know when slavery ended.
She is a joke. I didn't watch her, I would rather watch adult Congressmen or women than a pretentious and ill informed tea flea like her.
Mikey,....I personally do not mind your vested interest in the various organizations you participate in. Yet I know its true,....is Fact* as discovered by Norman Dodds 1950's congressional reece commission findings into the Foundations. I cannot support that path. Obama is a Wallstreet drop in to the Whitehouse. That,...is to be resisted!
I am not sure what your point here is you wish me to address or clarify. I spoke in general on how I felt Obama did in his speech tonight, and how well he preforms and who runs against him will determine if he gets my vote or if indeed I will vote in the 2012 Presidential election. I am very unhappy with many things about how things are done in the world and the USA and why they do things that way. But from my vantage point your post is kinda all over the ball park. So clarify please, thanks. I notice in lurking eLPee a we bit ago you are a poster there, did you or are you a poster at TOS? Just curious, mind you.
I am very unhappy with many things about how things are done in the world and the USA and why they do things that way. But from my vantage point your post is kinda all over the ball park. So clarify please, thanks. I notice in lurking eLPee a we bit ago you are a poster there, did you or are you a poster at TOS? Just curious, mind you. First,...and its not to be rude I listed out the Socialist Foundations history...so that others could go google that themselves if in doubt. I mentioned your public service interests so as to let you know I had read about that,...and thus mentioned my Eartherness : ) There are of course people who are simply Democrats who voted Obama cuz they hate Bush Crime family,...do not want wars,...do not want the nation doing the fascist thingy on everyone in corporate graft,...and to the peoples at home. I know Obama is a Banker cut out. Tragically....I see Obama as a Foundation cut out and a wrecker. America has to throw both these false houses off.....or its gonna end up actual conflict mirror the Revolutionary war. Being selfish,....it is my hope to help those on the left see the false foundation banker front. But still,...that Globalist North American Union,...SPP Continental Reich thing circles like a Vulture.
Thanks for the clarification. The only thing I was left unsure of is whether or not you are a U.S. citizen or Canadian. I will answer this tomorrow as I'm on wifi, tired and the joint I'm at closes soon. I also find LF a somewhat difficult forum to lower my guard in and relax and post. There are many here who turn the place into something much like a Junior High recess without supervision place. And I find doing relaxed, thoughtful posting where people have consideration for others including ideological opposites something that is more like swimming in molasses than water. I have been hoping to see a few good conservatives join The-Peoples-forum.com as the ideology is no barrier there. But testiness, distrust and contentiousness from both those joining, and some already there have made that hard to see happen. I cut my posting teeth on open forums where people of all political stripe belonged to the virtual community, and I have seen that work really well. And I miss that. It would be nice to see you there, and I would guard your flanks as I did with Sneakypete when he visited should you want to join onto the mix at another venue. But that is up to you, and I will leave it at that. I am skilled at forum posting and never expect to see someone whom I engage in discussion to be converted to my point of view. I know it's always wise to aim at the lurker element. And the hardest part of posting at TOS, eLPee and other venues was to learn to really be quick to put on the verbal brass knuckles. I am very laid back by nature and my posting start-up self of 1995 would be quickly chewed up in a joint like this one. My real time activist activities are a big part of this tempering of my political skin too I should add. Tim McCarthy (no relation) a Eugene Police sergeant whom I know well was quoted in the second article in the local paper after I nearly died in my fall said -- and I paraphrase -- "Mr. McCarthy has often criticized us at EPD and the local government, but he has also praised us when he felt we had done good work." I appreciated that, and I prefer to try to always value anyone for agreement, disagreement, or even the good and bad about them as I am always mindful I am human and not perfect too. I posted on TOS for years because if this balance, and only when the joint to an unmercifully hard turn to the right and took a one track minded eye to the interests of those they spin politically for was I banned there. Though really to be fair, Time.Com/Politics, my favorite forum had just been closed and I didn't help either by occasionally being snappish to some there because of my sadness to see the Time magazine venue close. None of us are perfect, though we soon learn in forum to be careful to act like we are. ;-D In any event, that is just to frame out my perspective which is a very easy thing for me to do as I am always mindful of how I want posting venues and people to be v. the way they are currently in the context of the Internet. Have a good night and I'll get to answering the political points of your post tomorrow. Cheers.
I resent that. They went fascist,which is NOT to the right of anything. Fascism is a left-wing movement. Always has been,always will be. To be fair,there is no shortage of ignorant loons that THINK they are on the right,when all they do is support statism in the form of working towards a religious state. For some odd reason they never seem to acknowledge the Christian Left. It's just like they don't exist.
I won't argue the point, it is a sound one. ;-) They did go fascist, however fascism is a situation where business controls government, and I don't agree that it is a left wing affectation. Under fascism, the rights of corporations and the rich and powerful is what is considered the only thing to do, even if it hurts the rights and freedoms of the people living under such a form of government.
Both result in no individual freedoms and police states in total control of the economy via a central bank. Ergo,they are the same. To paraphrase a famous quote,"A Nazi/communist is a Nazi/communist,by any other name." Both know what is best for you,and you had damn sure better listen if you want to keep your head. The REAL truth is both are nothing more than a return to feudalism,with Dukes,Princes,and Kings going by new titles. Under fascism, the rights of corporations and the rich and powerful is what is considered the only thing to do, even if it hurts the rights and freedoms of the people living under such a form of government. And that's NOT what happens under communism? Since when? Who do you think owns the factories in communist countries if not the Commissars and the Politburos? The PRIME difference between communism and fascism is that fascists get to have more fun because they don't have to hide their wealth and luxuries,and to be fair there is a little more freedom for the serfs living in a fascist state than a communist state. Providing they behave themselves,that is.
Communism upholds the notion of a stateless society with everyone in it being equal. Supposedly no one is rich, or poor. In this system, it is the community at large who owns resources and the system of production. With Fascism, it pertains to the state and considers it on top of everything. Under that system, the state is all encompassing and for fascists, no human values exist outside of the state. Fascists contend the state is everything with nothing above it, outside of it or against it. They believe in a system that believes in nationalism (includes economic nationalism), corporatism (includes economic planning), militarism and totalitarianism (dictatorship and social interventionism). By and large, Communists think globally, but Fascists only care to think in terms of things only existing on a national level.
Communism upholds the notion of a stateless society with everyone in it being equal. Supposedly no one is rich, or poor. In this system, it is the community at large who owns resources and the system of production. LOL! Good one. I am not talking about the Santa Claus fantasy,I'm talking about the slave state reality. With Fascism, it pertains to the state and considers it on top of everything. Under that system, the state is all encompassing and for fascists, no human values exist outside of the state. See? Even you know they are the same. You just haven't completely shed your indoctrination and put it together yet. Fascists contend the state is everything with nothing above it, outside of it or against it. They believe in a system that believes in nationalism (includes economic nationalism), corporatism (includes economic planning), militarism and totalitarianism (dictatorship and social interventionism). In other words,modern day China. And the future America/North American Economic Zone unless we get VERY lucky. It will be economic fascism without the nationalism,though. The new globalist fascism with no borders. Only the very best and most trendy version of fascism,if you please! By and large, Communists think globally, but Fascists only care to think in terms of things only existing on a national level. Uhhh,ever heard of a couple of guys named Hitler and Mussolini? Seems to me that both sent their armies on vacations outside their national borders.
I disagree, there is a profound difference between the two; as in Communism, the state has custodial control of everything, but in Fascism the state control. So, as I see it we are arguing over the difference between ownership and control. You seem to think they are two sides of the same coin, but Communism is more a socio-economic model that upholds an allegedly classless, stateless and egalitarian society. Fascism is more an ideology that works to bring together radical and authoritarian nationalism. I understand where you are going with your points about the two systems, but this is what I learned as a poli-sci major at The University of Oregon, which I know you would consider a left wing ideology training camp. Which you are welcome to do, but I learned to think freely there and was a student, not a pupil learning propaganda to regurgitate on command. ;-)
Sue them and get your tuition back. ANYBODY that falls for the rhetoric of the political theorists of ANY stripe hook,line,and sinker is cruising for a fall. Theory is fine,but reality is where people have to live,and the reality is far from the theory. And,of course,keeping people believing in the theory and hoping it will come true if they just wish hard enough is what keeps the rulers in control. Hell,the same strategy has keep organized religion in biz for thousands of years now.
ROTFLOFAO!!! Said well by someone who seems to have a talent for reading between the lines. I remember one really earnest kid who was brown nosing Ken Kesey really horribly at one of the three New Years Parties I got to go to at his farm in Pleasant Hill, OR when I worked for Merry Prankster Mike Hagan (He was the man who filmed the trips around the country on Further the bus) and Ray Sewell. He had memorized much Kesey prose and was torturing the man who was recovering from a bad cold. Kesey had enough and he and three friends lured the kid outside, panted him and did a one, two, three, heave of him into the cold wet swampy area near the big barn. He looks shocked and was mortified, and Kesey said between laughing snits, "sorry, but you'll thank me later." The kid left an hour later long before the merriment was over. Kesey was always much more easy to get along with if you treated him like a regular dude and ditched any try to impress him with any pretentiousness of any kind. ;-D
Those must have been some interesting parties. Those guys REALLY "thought out of the box". Regardless of your political viewpoint,you have to give the hippies of the 60's credit for one thing,the creation and popularization of the phrase "Question Authority!" Unfortunately,too many of them grew up to BECOME authorities themselves,and pompous ones at that.
They were pretty crazy. Though the Pranksters and people around them were/are experienced with the foible and down side of infamy and fame and anyone that tries/tried to exploit or use them or a situation of socializing with them quickly found these seemingly unorganized iconoclasts and individualists would act in well oiled concert to do you in or fix your wagon good for thinking they were an easy target. I know that though there was always the best LSD on the planet at a large gathering like this, they left the frying to the guests and others who were like moths fluttering around them like they were groovy black light or psychedelically painted bulbs. The generally sat back and watched the strap hangers entertain themselves and things often looked on the verge of going out of control but never did as they were savvy on keeping a lip on things to the point it needed to be. I know that Ken himself could always afford to be laid back, merry or detached as he wished. As it wasn't him who would take you out if you crossed the line. It was his wife who at her best could scare a pack of raging pit bulls to death she could get so intense.
Didn't she haul his bus out of a pigpen a couple of years ago and sell it to somebody that wanted to restore it?
The Pranksters were lysergicized proselytizers, the transition from the Beats to the hippies, a rainbow-hued crew seeking to wake America from two decades of self-satisfied slumber. They were harbingers of a tectonic shift in American culture -- a shift that doubled back on them in the early 1970s, submerging the subculture once again. Furthur is one of the enduring symbols of that time. But it was road-weary and 50 years old when Kesey towed it to oaky, bottomland at his farm near Eugene. He built a replica from a newer bus as the original languished in the swamp, and Kesey, who died four years ago following liver surgery, stoutly resisted all suggestions to move it. That's why the most recent journey on a late October day was more significant -- heavier, even -- than its distance might imply: Zane Kesey and crew towed the bus just a couple hundred yards from the swamp to a flat spot up by the barn. Short as it was, it was a journey that many of the Pranksters never thought they'd see. "It's sweet to see it back out of the swamp," said Prankster Mike Hagen, a quiet man who uses the word 'sweet' often and can even get away with the occasional 'far out.' "Who would've believed it?" "I don't know what Kesey would think about it, but we can't worry about that now. I've been trying to e-mail him, but the server must be down," joked Ken Babbs, who knew Kesey for 43 years. "It's been a miraculous day because we had no idea what would happen. We didn't know if the brakes were seized and the wheels would even roll. We didn't know if it would break in half when we got a chain on it, but the vibe was right." What happens next is the question. "Our goal is to restore the bus and tell its story," said David Houston, who owns Barney's Beanery, a famous Los Angeles restaurant. "This is a priceless piece of American history." Lit by full sun for the first time in years, Furthur looked the part. Festoons of moss drooped from its flanks; ferns grew from its fenders; mice had colonized the interior, which was stripped bare except for the driver's seat where Neal Cassady often sat. Furthur's once flamboyant,fanciful hide is faded and rusted making it look like the relic of a lost civilization that it is. But it's beautiful and imposing for all that -- or because of it: it's a faded Renaissance fresco or an aging beauty still possessed of the most amazing cheekbones. It's imposing because history happened here. This was the locus of many lives and so much energy that you want to encapsulate it -- moss, rust and all -- in a block of Lucite and appreciate it as the cultural artifact it has become. "This feels like a perfect time for a new subculture," said Stephen Greene, Houston's partner in the possible restoration of Furthur. "It feels like something was pulling it out of the swamp. Since Jerry Garcia died, another of the doorways to a different culture closed. We want to restore Furthur and take it on the road for kids to learn different ways to live and how to take care of each other. " But which Furthur do you restore? Set aside the problems of restoring a machine ravaged by age and you face a philosophic question -- Furthur was the constantly evolving work of dozens of creative souls. As inspiration enshrined, its livery might change overnight and then again in a month or a year. "Oh, I remember when it was that color, I think I painted that," said Mountain Girl, a longtime Prankster and mother of Kesey's daughter, Sunshine. "I remember every one of these flakes." She pored over multicolored paint chips that flaked off the bus when it was pulled out from between two trees that tightly flanked it. (So tightly that the trunk of one had to be notched to allow the open bus door to pass without snagging. "Those trees didn't use to be that big," a bystander said.) Mountain Girl (her driver's license may show a different name, but the world knows her as Mountain Girl and her friends call her MG) looked up as people pushed the bus around a corner to ready it for the tow up the hill. "We used to do that a lot," she said. "We used to have to push it to get it started when the starter motor didn't work. Usually one of three things -- the starter, the brakes or the clutch -- was always either busted or just fixed and ready to go out again in about three days. We got to know every junkyard and parts store in the West." Zane Kesey allowed two days to extricate Furthur, but it was out of the swamp shortly after noon of the first day. Which is not to say the operation went off with military precision -- that's just not the Prankster way. No, the scene down in the swamp (a mercifully dry swamp, thanks to a lack of rain) was marinated in the same cheerful anarchy that Kesey and the Pranksters brought to those long ago Acid Tests. "No control freaks," Sunshine Kesey said. "Keep it loose. Dad encouraged randomness." Dogs and kids romped, mostly ignoring the trampled blackberry vines. Characters milled about -- young neo-hippies, one of whom later unslung a mandolin to sing "All You Need Is Drugs"; a documentary film crew; silver-bearded Prankster Izzy Whetstine in Technicolor tie-dye: Zane Kesey in purple tie-dye of his own; and Phil Dietz, who calls himself the last Prankster and who tapped a hand drum as people took a strain on the ropes and chains. Picture this: Zane Kesey on a small farm tractor hitched to a Chevy flatbed where seven people crouched to increase traction. A yellow tow strap hitched the truck to chains looped around Furthur's rear axle. But it wasn't enough to overcome years of immobility. So they lashed a thick rope to the tow strap, and people grabbed the robe in a tug-of-war with Time itself. Black smoke snorted from the tractor's stack, the truck's engine revved and its rear wheels spun, then bit. The pullers put their backs into it and Furthur inched backward as David Tipton walked alongside and shouted steering commands to Prankster George Walker in the driver's seat. "Is there a new plan?" Izzy Whetstine asked Hagen as the crew readied for the third and last attempt. "It's a constantly moving plan," Hagen said. "Was there an old plan?" "It was old the moment it became a plan." But Kesey's daughter was OK with the plan, whatever it may be. "My dad would've been thrilled that there's a new surge of energy behind the bus," Sunshine Kesey said. "It's not necessary to leave it as a story of the past because he wanted other people to take the craziness on the road. "To him it wasn't just the bus, it was the action of people coming together to make something happen. His philosophy was live in the moment and call the dance." John Foyston: 503-221-8368; johnfoyston@news.oregonian.com NEXT COMES THE HARD PART....raising the $$ for the restoration?? if you are interested in helping donate to the furthur restoration project please email "Stephen Greene" stephen@rockcorps.org Here is the old Key-Z.com verbiage from the excitement daze of the save the Bus project; tells it better than I could. I got it from the Internet archive known as 'the wayback machine.' Last post on this, figured you would find it interesting Pete.
Thanks,I did. I had no idea there was ever a new bus. The old one was the only one I knew about.
Kesey lived just a few ridges to the East of us, about 20 miles away. I saw him countless times about town and at events over the past 20-plus years I've been here. When I would bump into him on the way to the bank or store when we lived just a few miles apart, he was never in too much of a hurry to stop and exchange a few words. His mastery of word crafting was always at the ready. The first time we crossed paths was backstage after a Dead show outdoors in rural Oregon in '82. Mingling in the afterglow of a great day, my simple greeting led to Kesey spinning a 10 minute thought provoking tale about a frog and a muskrat. I wish like hell I could remember it now. Ken's family here in Eugene has a vast presence as well as past. They moved here to live on his grandparents' farm in 1943, when he was eight years old. While attending the University of Oregon, where he became a star wrestler, he married his high school sweetheart, Faye Haxby, in 1956. Receiving a literary fellowship to Stanford, Kesey would then embark on a four year whirlwind that would produce the cornerstone of his most affective contributions to the changing and expanding face of America. After volunteering for LSD experimentation at Stanford in '61 and '62, he completed his first novel, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Published in '62, the novel struck a nerve at the core of our society by serving as a wake up call on a nation stirring out of a long slumber, challenging the predisposed norms and the terms of sanity. In '64, Kesey's second novel, Sometimes a Great Notion, was published. A sprawling, ambitious work immediately heralded as a great American classic, Kesey had brought to life with his vividly captivating descriptions a unique, mystical land called Oregon, whose harsh and unrelenting nature shapes the tough and original members of the Stamper's, a rural logging family in the 30s. That same year he had banded together some fellow LSD experimenters, called them the Merry Pranksters, and set out on the road as a traveling psychedelic show in a rainbow day-glo 1939 International bus called "Further," which he bought with earnings from Cuckoo's Nest. A notorious adventure of LSD-induced fun and chaos ensued as they pranked their way through America, forever immortalized in Tom Wolfe's book, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. At that time, the relatively unknown Grateful Dead became the house band for the Pranksters, and they maintained friendships throughout the years. In 1968 Ken moved back to Oregon and a rural farm south of Eugene, where he turned a huge barn into a large rambling house, raised a family, worked the land, raised cattle and immersed himself in the community. Ken Babbs, fellow Prankster and lifelong friend, lived nearby, and together they collaborated on Prankster adventures over the years. Ken's brother, Chuck, and his family founded and still run the successful Springfield Creamery, as well as operating a retail natural food store in Springfield until the mid 80s. Kit Kesey, Ken's nephew, has been a concert and video producer over the years, and in recent months took over the McDonald Theater in downtown Eugene and refurbished it as a live music venue. Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters recently performed there at a benefit in October. The last time I saw Ken was in early September, the night he introduced Taj Mahal at the grand opening of the theater, while I was shooting the event. Kesey contributed immensely to raising the bar in challenging the status quo to re-examine, renew, and embrace such fundamental American terms as "freedom," and "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," and to live them. He was full of stories, bigger than life, yet casually present, a ruggedly independent individual, who contributed endlessly to family and community, and the celebration of life. As one of Americas most affecting and colorful modern pioneers, he was truly a great American hero. Always ready to take a playful poke or a chastising swipe when he smelled bullshit, regardless of where it came from, he was never mean spirited. His approach to life was not from an adversarial or confrontational stance, but an offering of goodwill. Ken's creativity wasn't limited to his immense depth as a writer. He continually sought new theatrical vehicles and happenings to relay his message, whatever it may be. You might be listening to him read a new children's book and tell stories, in full shaman's garb on the steps of the library, or hearing him recite his heart-felt tribute to Jerry Garcia, or watching him belt out "Gloria," with Kool-Aid jug in hand, wearing a U.S. flag suit and top hat, backed by Bob Weir, Jack and Jorma. For a production of his children’s story, Little Tricker the Squirrel Meets Big Double the Bear, Kesey collaborated with the Eugene Ballet, with music by Art Maddox and sound effects provided by Kesey’s whimsical invention, The Thunder Machine. Ken’s generosity and compassion came across in many ways. He often teamed up with musician and friend Mason Williams for Mason’s annual Christmas show with the Eugene and Portland Symphonies. A few years back in Portland, Kesey showed up on stage in the role of a street Santa. A down and out alcoholic with a pint in his pocket. Directing members of a choir into the audience to collect money for the poor, he and Mason were able to hand out over $6,000 to homeless street people. The shocked symphony was reluctant to have Kesey return the next night, but rather than more antics, he delivered a wonderful reading of St. Matthew's Christmas Story. Sharing this valley and this community with Kesey has always been somehow comforting, being part in some sense of the continuing adventure, swept along just a little "further". His absence will leave a gaping hole around here, way bigger than you could drive a bus through. The world, as it is, will be a scarier place without him and his sometimes flamboyant but always thought provoking escapades. His life was honored in a solemn and celebratory memorial service at the McDonald Theatre, drawing a full house that filled the lobby and spilled out onto the street, where admirers milled about the psychedelic bus waiting to take him on a last ride home to his resting place. With Kesey’s rainbow marbled casket center stage, speakers included his career-long literary agent, Sterling Lord, University of Oregon President Dave Frohnmeyer, musician Mason Williams (who spoke and performed) and close friend and fellow Prankster Ken Babbs. Zane, his son provided various video clips of Ken at home and performing that brought smiles, laughter and tears. As the bus carrying Ken Kesey pulled out of sight, the clouds parted and a brief glimpse of a rainbow lit the sky. Farewell, my friend. " The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer -- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer." --Ken Kesey (C) Article and Photos by Tim Owen The Article was hard to read, at least on my laptop so as cutting and pasting pulled the hidden text from behind the black framing blocking it, here is a reposting of it. Ken lying in state at his memorial wake.
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#10. To: Godwinson, no gnu taxes, lucysmom (#5)
#12. To: go65 (#10)
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
I enjoyed it too. He was very good tonight as he clearly showed he has command and focus of a president in charge and who knows how to lead and lead well.
#20. To: go65 (#15)
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
I really really enjoyed my time in Oregon,....I'd love to have a place on the coast and watch the fog sit till near noon,...with the heavy cedar fragrence in the air.
Before my retirement/pension/disability.,
I spent decades in the bush,climbing mountains,photography.
Ya,...I do not want corporations running around despoiling all that.
and so recorded by him to G Edward Griffin.
That from 1908 [there abouts] Carnegie Foundation sought to entangle America in foreign wars to reshape the nation.
and that the nations Judiciary and Education should be taken over by the Foundations,..and then lists out other Foundations participation.
So ya,....it is a socialist agenda which openly states the USA is to merge with the Soviet Union.
That is a coup,..and is against the very heart of the US Constitution.
It is an act which is done without consent of the Public,..and then becomes Intrigues as Politicians lie and conspire against their very own people.
The Foreign bankers and US Jeckyll Island Fed are conspiring against the nation.
Freedoms are dissapearing ...from overt EPA/UN Agenda 21 practice,...to the fake war on terror and Homeland Reich.
America is getting both socialism and fascism now.
#30. To: Parrot with speed dial (#23)
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#35. To: Ferret Mike (#30)
I am not sure what your point here is you wish me to address or clarify. I spoke in general on how I felt Obama did in his speech tonight, and how well he preforms and who runs against him will determine if he gets my vote or if indeed I will vote in the 2012 Presidential election.
I generally post in a form which speaks to lurkers on threads,...with board participation secondary.
So ya....thats fine with me.
Recently however,....I've noticed a few real die hard Commies show up at LF and gloat.
Some others who appear mild socialists,..I suspect are raging commies too.
Obama becomes the litmus test in my opinion as to where someones world political views rest.
He's either Karl Marx champion we can do it.
or just another Democrat in the game we call American politics.
I would luv it if he were truly independent,.....A Black Man leading the Nation
Just as Black Pharaohs ruled Egypt.
Blacks have been thru hell in their journey called America.
they so deserve to have a Black President.
and....Americans all should support that.
He's a wrecker just as Bush was.
Both do as told....
The Elites play every paradigm possible
Obama is not doing what he said he would,...he lied like Bush,...and the wars continue,...Gitmo,..the Banker looting,...all of it.
This time....the Goob will be King George.
I try my best to be on the square.
I was run off from TOS for exposing Bush crimes.
I'm disliked at LP for that too.
Yet,...I'm the real deal,....and if the left does not like my view or opinion they are free to challenge that.
Canada is a socialist country with capitalism and the Queens power reach.
the Gov is put in by Elites,....recently,...the Liberals run one feeble goof after another.
Of course conservative socialist/stay the stauts quo Canadians will accept some foreign war and Harper,..over the weak opponents offered.
so its the same game as Mclunatic/Palin,....its set up to be an uncontested win for Obama.
Just as Canada's elections usually are quiet endings.
Soon Canada will be faced with adopting Napolitano Homeland Reich.
They have allready been trying to sneak that in,...with whistle blowers at least getting broad media attention to counter and wanting it debated in Parliament.
#36. To: Parrot with speed dial (#35)
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#51. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
I posted on TOS for years because if this balance, and only when the joint to an unmercifully hard turn to the right
#52. To: sneakypete (#51)
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#59. To: Ferret Mike (#52)
They did go fascist, however fascism is a situation where business controls government, and I don't agree that it is a left wing affectation.
#65. To: sneakypete (#59)
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
#68. To: sneakypete (#66)
#91. To: Ferret Mike (#68)
I understand where you are going with your points about the two systems, but this is what I learned as a poli-sci major at The University of Oregon,
#138. To: sneakypete (#91)
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"Sue them and get your tuition back."
ANYBODY that falls for the rhetoric of the political theorists of ANY stripe hook,line,and sinker is cruising for a fall. Theory is fine,but reality is where people have to live,and the reality is far from the theory.
#141. To: Ferret Mike (#138)
I remember one really earnest kid who was brown nosing Ken Kesey really horribly at one of the three New Years Parties I got to go to at his farm in Pleasant Hill, OR when I worked for Merry Prankster Mike Hagan (He was the man who filmed the trips around the country on Further the bus) and Ray Sewell.
#143. To: sneakypete (#141)
"Those must have been some interesting parties. Those guys REALLY "thought out of the box"."
#145. To: Ferret Mike (#143)
I know that Ken himself could always afford to be laid back, merry or detached as he wished. As it wasn't him who would take you out if you crossed the line. It was his wife who at her best could scare a pack of raging pit bulls to death she could get so intense.
#153. To: sneakypete (#145)
Ken Kesey's original bus rises from the swamp Four decades ago, the late Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters rolled across the country as psychedelic shock troops in a brightly painted bus called Furthur. Recently some remaining Pranksters -- plus kids, companions, young acolytes and dogs -- met at Kesey's farm to help his son Zane make Furthur roll again.
#172. To: Ferret Mike (#153)
Last post on this, figured you would find it interesting Pete
#180. To: sneakypete (#172)
Saturday, November 10th, 2001 marks a day of mourning and reflection here in Eugene, as we deal with the passing of our friend Ken Kesey, author, storyteller, cultural pioneer, innerspace astronaut, family man and salt of the Oregon earth. A day as typically Oregon-beautiful as I've seen; warm, hazy sun, not the slightest stir of a breeze, upper 60s, a myriad of stunning cloud patterns floating ever so slowly across the sky... but the quiet stillness, the pastel colors against the glittering greens of the tree covered rolling foothills; an unmistakable omni-presence of magic, of energy release, of peace, of joy.
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