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Title: Healthcare Reality Check
Source: Dissenting Opinions
URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2011/01/healthcare-reality-check.html
Published: Jan 23, 2011
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2011-01-23 14:48:24 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 40354
Comments: 52

The GOP House has voted to overturn the huge mess known as Obamacare. We'll see if it passes the Senate. Regardless, President Obama is not going to sign. So, the GOP is already starting work on replacing Obamacare with their own ideas.

What should the GOP propose? There are two countries that can guide us.

Switzerland undoubtedly has the best healthcare system in Europe. Singapore has the best healthcare system in the world. Switzerland spends about 10.8% of GDP on healthcare. Singapore spends less than 4%. Healthcare expenditures in the U.S. have ballooned to a whopping 16.5% of GDP.

Neither Switzerland or Singapore have "socialist" or "single payer" systems that enchant the know-nothings on the American left. In fact, public expenditures on healthcare as a percentage of the total is about the same in Switzerland and the U.S. The government spends a much lower percentage of the total in Singapore:

Switzerland -- 55% United States -- 50% average, depending on the state Singapore -- 34%

Why do their systems work to control and costs and ours doesn't? Singapore and Switzerland have similar philosophies -- they put people in charge of their own care, but they also require them to take responsibility.

In Singapore you are required to save 8% of you income for healthcare. You can use your health savings to buy insurance and pay for out-of-pocket expenses. The government subsidizes health savings for very low income people.

In Switzerland you are required to spend 8% of your own money on health insurance. The government subsidizes insurance payments for very low income people. Out of pocket expenses are additional.

Switzerland and Singapore have created nation's of healthcare shoppers, who use their own healthcare dollars wisely.

The problem in the U.S. is that Medicare, Medicaid, and employer paid insurance take financial responsibility away from individuals so people don't have any incentive to use medical services in a cost effective way.

I've been to Singapore. They have a great and very cost effective healthcare system. It cheaper than ours. They also have better outcomes than we do. ditto for Switzerland.

The answer to escalating healthcare costs in the U.S. is not to give more control to power hungry politicians and greedy bureaucrats. The answer is personal responsibility and personal control. Singapore and Switzerland have shown us the way. Are American politicians smart enough to follow? We'll see.

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#1. To: Capitalist Eric, go65, Happy Quanzaa, Godwinson, no gnu taxes, Rudgear (#0)

PING

jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-23   14:49:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: jwpegler (#1)

Thanks for the ping - you and I are pretty close in views on healthcare reform, but your views make you a "socialist" in today's current Conservative climate.

go65  posted on  2011-01-23   21:14:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: go65 (#23) (Edited)

but your views make you a "socialist" in today's current Conservative climate.

No. Conservatives are the biggest supporters of the Singapore healthcare system. The Heritage Foundation consistently rates Singapore as the second freest economy on earth behind Hong Kong. Heritage consistently rates Switzerland as a freer economy than the U.S.

1.) Hong Kong 2.) Singapore 3.) Australia 4.) New Zealand 5.) Switzerland 6.) Canada 7.) Ireland 8.) Denmark 9.) United States 10.) Bahrain

You people listen to your own propaganda too much. Conservatives have been pushing medical savings accounts as a way to reduce healthcare costs for a couple of decades.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-24   10:56:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: jwpegler, go65 (#29)

You people listen to your own propaganda too much.

Says the guy who stated the USA's life expectancy is better than the EUs....

Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-24   11:13:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Godwinson (#32) (Edited)

Says the guy who stated the USA's life expectancy is better than the EUs

It's right here bozo:

Health Statistics > Life expectancy at birth > Total population (most recent) by country

United States: 78.14 years

European Union 77.32 years (look at the bottom of the list for this)

I'm a total numbers guy. When I say something, I have the numbers to prove it. You can't argue you mindless ideology against my numbers. It doesn't work.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-24   11:24:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#39. To: jwpegler (#35)

US slips to 49th in life expectancy: study

The United States currently ranks 49th in the world in overall life expectancy, according to a study published in the academic journal Health Affairs, slipping dramatically during the last decade.

"As of September 23, 2010, the United States ranked forty-ninth for both male and female life expectancy combined," concludes the study, conducted by Columbia University health policy professors Peter A. Muennig and Sherry A. Glied, which will appear in the November edition of the influential peer-reviewed journal.

The noteworthy decline is highlighted by the fact that in 1999, the World Health Organization ranked the US as 24th in the world in the same category, life expectancy.

(more in link)

The facts do not support your point.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-24 11:36:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: jwpegler (#35)

CIA trumps your wikipedia like source.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world- factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

41 European Union 78.82 2010 est.

49 United States 78.24 2010 est.

The United Kingdom is ranked #28 @ 79.92 2010 est. (single payer system aka socilaist)

The Greeks who are poor rank at # 29 Greece @ 79.80 2010 est.

Others on the list:

#12 France 81.09 2010 est

#15 Switzerland 80.97 2010 est.

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