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Title: Healthcare Reality Check
Source: Dissenting Opinions
URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2011/01/healthcare-reality-check.html
Published: Jan 23, 2011
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2011-01-23 14:48:24 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 41828
Comments: 52

The GOP House has voted to overturn the huge mess known as Obamacare. We'll see if it passes the Senate. Regardless, President Obama is not going to sign. So, the GOP is already starting work on replacing Obamacare with their own ideas.

What should the GOP propose? There are two countries that can guide us.

Switzerland undoubtedly has the best healthcare system in Europe. Singapore has the best healthcare system in the world. Switzerland spends about 10.8% of GDP on healthcare. Singapore spends less than 4%. Healthcare expenditures in the U.S. have ballooned to a whopping 16.5% of GDP.

Neither Switzerland or Singapore have "socialist" or "single payer" systems that enchant the know-nothings on the American left. In fact, public expenditures on healthcare as a percentage of the total is about the same in Switzerland and the U.S. The government spends a much lower percentage of the total in Singapore:

Switzerland -- 55% United States -- 50% average, depending on the state Singapore -- 34%

Why do their systems work to control and costs and ours doesn't? Singapore and Switzerland have similar philosophies -- they put people in charge of their own care, but they also require them to take responsibility.

In Singapore you are required to save 8% of you income for healthcare. You can use your health savings to buy insurance and pay for out-of-pocket expenses. The government subsidizes health savings for very low income people.

In Switzerland you are required to spend 8% of your own money on health insurance. The government subsidizes insurance payments for very low income people. Out of pocket expenses are additional.

Switzerland and Singapore have created nation's of healthcare shoppers, who use their own healthcare dollars wisely.

The problem in the U.S. is that Medicare, Medicaid, and employer paid insurance take financial responsibility away from individuals so people don't have any incentive to use medical services in a cost effective way.

I've been to Singapore. They have a great and very cost effective healthcare system. It cheaper than ours. They also have better outcomes than we do. ditto for Switzerland.

The answer to escalating healthcare costs in the U.S. is not to give more control to power hungry politicians and greedy bureaucrats. The answer is personal responsibility and personal control. Singapore and Switzerland have shown us the way. Are American politicians smart enough to follow? We'll see.

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One important factor wasn't mentioned: illegal migrants. Neither Switzerland or Singapore have governments that actually encourage criminals to overflow their borders and drain the public purse to the detriment of the native citizens. Until the invasion of these hostiles is turned back, either model is moot as far as I can see.

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One important factor wasn't mentioned: illegal migrants. Neither Switzerland or Singapore have governments that actually encourage criminals to overflow their borders and drain the public purse to the detriment of the native citizens. Until the invasion of these hostiles is turned back, either model is moot as far as I can see.

It is the rich guys that like to hire low wage docile-cause-they're-intimidated workers that encourage loose border enforcement - the same guys that claim they deserve low, low tax rates.

They pay low wages, don't provide benefits like health insurance, and transfer the cost of their illegal employee's health care to the middle class by encouraging sick workers to use ers.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-23   15:20:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lucysmom (#5)

Buying people in job lots is possible only because of their illegal status and the Feds looking the other way. Illegals are criminals because they broke the law to get here because we are the only country with zero border enforcement. They consume public services and do not pay tax. If they want to be here, let them do it legally.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-23   15:30:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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..we are the only country with zero border enforcement.

That isn't true.

BTW, other countries have penalties for employers that hire illegals.

They consume public services and do not pay tax.

If you believe that corporations don't pay taxes, people do, then you must also believe that everytime an illegal buys a product, food, or service he is paying taxes.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-23   18:57:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#17)

BTW, other countries have penalties for employers that hire illegals.

Thanks for reminding me. We don't penalize employers who hire illegals. Hell, even elected officials are admitting they hire illegals over Americans. They should be impeached.

If you believe that corporations don't pay taxes, people do, then you must also believe that every time an illegal buys a product, food, or service he is paying taxes.

Corporations pay more in tax than all the illegals put together if you are going to compare tax on convenience store garbage and gasoline then everybody pays tax. Illegals don't pay income tax. Corporations may employ tax attorneys to try and avoid paying as much as possible, but they do pay tax. Let's take a look at the Clinton's return. Better yet, how about Al Gore's? Isn't he the one who tried to make individual charity an issue?

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#22. To: Rudgear (#21)

Illegals don't pay income tax.

Their incomes are probably to low.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-23   19:58:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#22)

Their incomes are probably to low.

They don't pay ANY income tax BECAUSE they are ILLEGALLY here.

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RICHMOND, Calif. — Carlos Diaz broke the law when he crossed the border and took a job as an office janitor. But he’s not about to break another by failing to pay his income tax.

“I’ve been talking to other people who’ve done it, and I want to follow the law,” said Diaz, an undocumented immigrant from Guatemala who squirmed in his seat at a neighborhood tax preparer’s office.

Tuesday is Tax Day, when millions of illegal immigrants find themselves collaborating with one federal agency — the Internal Revenue Service — while trying to avoid another — Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

They hope a track record of on-time payments will aid their citizenship applications, but critics who favor tougher enforcement of federal immigration rules say it’s absurd for the government to work with people it should be tracking down and deporting. It legitimizes the presence of immigrants who are here illegally, critics say, and sends a mixed message about the country’s interest in enforcing its own rules.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18077009/ns/business-tax_tactics/

Many immigrants do pay taxes, whether they are legally or illegally here.

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