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Title: Poverty and Recovery
Source: NYT
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/opinion/19wed1.html?hp
Published: Jan 23, 2011
Author: NYT
Post Date: 2011-01-23 10:56:59 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 3272
Comments: 4

In 2008, the first year of the Great Recession, the number of Americans living in poverty rose by 1.7 million to nearly 47.5 million. While hugely painful, that rise wasn’t surprising given the unraveling economy. What is surprising is that recent census data show that those poverty numbers held steady in 2009, even though job loss worsened significantly that year.

Clearly, the sheer scale of poverty — 15.7 percent of the country’s population — is unacceptable. But to keep millions more Americans from falling into poverty during a deep recession is a genuine accomplishment that holds a vital lesson: the safety net, fortified by stimulus, staved off an even more damaging crisis.

Congress should take a good look at those numbers, and consider that lesson carefully, before it commits to any more slashing and burning.

The latest poverty figures are from the census “alternative” data, developed in the 1990s to count income and expenses that the “official” data omit. For example, the official measure counts only cash income to gauge poverty (defined as $21,756 for a family of four in 2009). The alternative figures cited above, which closely follow criteria from the National Academy of Sciences, include noncash federal benefits, like food stamps (and set the poverty line at $24,522 for a family of four). That gives a truer picture of a family’s economic status.

What analysts have found is that the antipoverty effect of government intervention in 2009 was profound. Calculations by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal-leaning research group, show that specific stimulus provisions — including expanded federal jobless benefits, new and improved tax credits for workers and bolstered food stamps — kept 4.5 million people out of poverty in 2009. Only Social Security and the earned income credit did more to fight poverty.

The results are likely to be roughly similar in 2010 because most of the 2009 law was continued last year. The portents going forward are not good.

Federal aid is being scaled back, even though growth is not yet robust enough to make a sizable dent in unemployment. Late last year, Republicans blocked the extension of a successful stimulus program that had created 250,000 subsidized jobs for young people and low-income parents. They claimed the stimulus was an expensive failure, even as they pressed to renew the high-end Bush tax cuts. As part of the tax-cut deal, President Obama and Congress agreed to extend federal jobless benefits in 2011, but the checks will be $25 less a week than under the stimulus. That reduction could push an estimated 175,000 more people into poverty in 2011. The deal also included a one-year payroll tax cut that will benefit most workers, but it is less helpful to the lowest-income workers than a now-expired tax break in the stimulus.

With 14.5 million people still out of work, and more than 6 million of them jobless for more than six months, reducing federal help now will almost ensure more poverty later. That would impose an even higher cost on the economy and budget because ever poorer households cannot spend and consume.

We know it goes against the prevailing rhetoric to argue that more and better government policies are still needed to repair the economy. It is also unpopular to argue that programs that have succeeded for decades in reducing poverty, like Social Security, need to be preserved even as they are retooled for the 21st century. To do otherwise is to deny the evidence.

President Obama must explain to the American people that the country needs to continue relief and recovery efforts, especially programs to create jobs. Without that, tens of millions of Americans stuck in poverty will have little hope of climbing out — and many more could join their ranks.

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#1. To: go65 (#0)

With 14.5 million people still out of work, and more than 6 million of them jobless for more than six months, reducing federal help now will almost ensure more poverty later. That would impose an even higher cost on the economy and budget because ever poorer households cannot spend and consume.

Real U.s. Unemployment (Shadowstats) Rising Near 23% - House Price ... 15 posts - 10 authors - Last post: Dec 5, 2010 Interesting that the Shadowstats figure (blue) is now rising, and diverging from the official U6 and U3 figures. www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=155676 - Cached

No they didn't. Food Stamps have been growing up to the present moment.

And poverty levels are getting worse by the day.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-23   11:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

http://www.mybudget360.com/

How the financial elite have dismantled the American middle class – top 1 percent share of wealth at levels not seen since the Great Depression. Goldman Sachs offering average bonuses of $430,000 while a record 43,200,000 Americans receive food stamps.

Note the word 'retooling' LMFAO

"...that programs that have succeeded for decades in reducing poverty, like Social Security, need to be preserved even as they are retooled for the 21st century."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-23   11:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

I'll give you some 'retooling':

"The U.S. economy is now operating like a finely tuned engine bent on dismantling the middle class and protecting the tiny elites in our nation that have learned to manipulate both political parties to their financial benefit. This did not occur over night but started in the 1970s when the U.S. government and investment banks juiced up the nation with deficit and debt spending. A single family cannot go into debt for a very long time without consequences but a rising housing market hid much of the inequality developing in our system for a very long time. It was an illusion of stability. The top 1 percent in our nation now control 43 percent of all financial wealth. " 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-23   11:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#0)

Clearly, the sheer scale of poverty — 15.7 percent of the country’s population — is unacceptable. But to keep millions more Americans from falling into poverty during a deep recession is a genuine accomplishment that holds a vital lesson: the safety net, fortified by stimulus, staved off an even more damaging crisis.

Excrement.

We're in poverty, because we're in DEBT. Your logic suggests that by going into even MORE debt, we'll somehow manage to "save" people.

This is the definition of insanity- repeating the same mistake over and over, expecting different results.

It IS unfortunate, that the poverty level is so high. I found something I wanted to buy off of Craigslist, and arranged meet. It is in the S.Central side of Los Angeles. During that drive, I saw street-hustlers, jugglers and beggars, roaming up and down the streets, hoping for handouts. Some were able-bodied, some were handicapped, and some so severely handicapped (both physically and mentally) that I wondered where his family was... It reminded me of Bucharest in the early 90's, when I first visited E.Europe.

And yet, we are at the beginning stages. Poverty will continue to increase (my guess is that it will at least double the current rate), because government lackeys foolishly buy into the central tenet of this article: by spending more to overcome the debt, we'll see a reversal.

The situation is really quite simple:

"There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved."
-- Ludwig Von Mises --

Our financial system will be hit harder then anyone else on this forum will DARE to say... It will be the worst financial crisis in our history, easily eclipising the "Great Depression." It will rival the financial collapse of the Roman Empire in the 3rd and 4th Centuries AD and the collapse of the Spanish empire.

The key will be the contagion- the propensity for the sickness to spread. As in 1929, it began here, and spread throughout W.Europe, with devastating results. A similar pattern has emerged, but because the financial virus that America developed has been based on the value of the dollar as the worlds reserve currency, there are few countries that will survive the sickness relatively unscathed.

Indeed, due to the fact that most printed dollars are outside the USA, held in the hands of foreign countries and foreign people as a method of avoiding decreased purchasing power of their own currencies, the fact that we are printing their dollars into worthlessness will punish all of them, too.

Keep in mind, the premise of this article- that we can simply "borrow" our way out of insurmountable debt- is ludicrous on its face. But even the premise is flawed... Because we're not borrowing our way out of debt, we're PRINTING our way out, just like Zimbabwe and Weimar Germany.

The logic could be restated, "we're going to make your savings worthless so that WE can save you... with that same worthless currency."

Who could possibly be so insane, as to actually BELIEVE such nonsense?

Oh, that's right... it's the "NY Slimes." Never mind...

ME: Thanks for admitting that you ARE trying to spin this (AZ shooting, and terrorism) onto Palin, and conservatives in general.
Brian S(ocialist): I have never hidden that fact...

"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's resident mental giant --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-23   14:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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