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Title: Company to stop making drug commonly used in executions (Moving plant to socialized Italy from red state loving North Carolina)
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URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy ... 011/01/21/AR2011012107091.html
Published: Jan 22, 2011
Author: Rob Stein
Post Date: 2011-01-22 21:07:13 by Godwinson
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Company to stop making drug commonly used in executions By Rob Stein Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, January 22, 2011; 12:00 AM The U.S. company that makes a drug most states use in lethal injection announced Friday that it would no longer produce the powerful anesthetic, a decision that throws capital punishment in the United States into disarray. The decision by Hospira of Lake Forest., Ill., was prompted by demands from Italy, which does not have capital punishment, that no sodium thiopental - which the company had planned to make at its plant outside Milan - be used for executions, officials said. "We determined we could not prevent the drug from being diverted for use in capital punishment," said Dan Rosenberg, a Hospira spokesman. He noted that the company never condoned the drug's use for lethal injection and had hoped to continue making it for medical use. Hospira's move will force states and the federal government to look for alternatives to the drug, which could require lengthy approval processes and result in costly, long-running legal challenges. The company had planned to shift production from a plant in North Carolina to a facility in Liscate, Italy. But after those plans became public, the Italian Parliament demanded the company ensure the drug would be used only for medical purposes.
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#6. To: Godwinson (#0)
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It's the taxes, stupid.
Taxes Unions EPA Regs OSHA regs And another miles of Hoops and Red tape to struggle with...
Unions EPA Regs OSHA regs And another miles of Hoops and Red tape to struggle with... Comrade Godwinson is kinda' slow, his People's Head would implode trying to absorb unions, EPA Regs, OSHA regs, in addition to the taxes at the same time. And we tried 'splaining to him about the miles & miles of hoops & red tape corporations struggle with just yesterday but it was an impossible concept for him to comprehend.
Wher did you post it? I would love to read it , Geuss I missed it
On this thread
Just start using rope again, Hell 20 feet of good rope can be bought at any farm and ranch store for about $35.00 and can be used over and over for a long time, just look at the savings......
As much as have no problem with executing violent criminals, I have a big problem trusting the government to only execute the guilty. There have been numerous examples of innocent people being put to death, or sitting on death row, due to government malfeasance.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Italy's corporate tax rate is not all that low. The standard rate of Italy corporate tax (IRES) in 2010 is 27.5%%. In addition, local tax (IRAP) is imposed at a rate of 3.9%, bringing the effective tax rate to 31.4%. Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Doesn't matter, it's lower than ours. Everybody's is.
Maybe its Italy's health care system.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Good Lord IT is DENSE.....
Not true. Rope stretches and loses it's elasticity. That's need for a clean neck snap. But there is nothing wrong with injecting a air bubble into the blood stream,which is free,or spending the big pennies to put a bullet in the back of the head.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
So do I. There have been numerous examples of innocent people being put to death, or sitting on death row, due to government malfeasance. No question about it. The only effective way to stop that sort of thing is to make it mandatory to charge any court official or LEO that manufactures evidence against an innocent suspect or hides evidence proving innocence should be brought up on trial for kidnapping and attempted murder themselves. AND have mandatory sentencing of a minimum of 20 years in a maximum security federal prison with no time off for good behavior and no pardons. Period. I can guarantee you that this would have to be done only a couple of times in large cities where the press and media picked up on it,and that sort of thing would become as rare as rooster lips overnight.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ever stop to think that it is only the people who have never had to live with socialized medicine,or that is the only system they know that are for it? Then again,why ask. Asking you to stop and think is akin to asking a mule to tapdance.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The Tea partiers seem pretty fond of their Medicare.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Yeah right. If you believe that then go to Italy when you (God forbid) need first class medical care. After all, when that congress lady got a bullet through the brain the other week it really exposed just how awful the medical system is in the US. /sarc
Pre-existing conditions make me uninsurable, thus first class medical care is unavailable to me in the US. Fortunately both the Congresswoman and her government employee husband have excellent health insurance provided to them by the American people.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
That's not socialized medicine. It's an insurance program they paid into,and they get to choose what doctors and hospitals they go to.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
So then you wouldn't object to a government insurance program available for purchase to every American?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
If this is true why aren't you receiving Medicare/Medicaid? If you haven't applied for it you should.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I did. I was declared only 20% disabled and have too much money in the bank ($2,000 limit).
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Of course not. Not as long as they get to retain the right to go to the hospital of their choice and see the doctor of their choice. Not to mention the undisputed right to refuse treatment. Socialized medicine doesn't work that way,though. The Veterans Administration hospitals are a perfect example of socialized medicine. Anybody that thinks socialized medicine is a good idea should be required to get ALL their medical treatment at a VA hospital for at least 2 or 3 years. If that doesn't cure you of your love for socialized medicine,there is no hope for you. One short example. A couple of years ago the VA wanted to amputate one of my legs due to infection I got from a botched operation at that very same hospital. They sewed me back up without reconnecting a big vein,and it killed the circulation in that leg. I told them I wanted a second opinion,and went to a outside doc that recommended varicose vein replacement surgery for me. By then the leg was so far gone (swollen to the point it burst in 3 places and was black and purple) the civilian doc was afraid to do the surgery because of the fear of spreading the infection,so I had to go to his office twice a week for a couple of months to get a pad impregnated with silver put over the leg and then wrapped with Ace bandages impregnated with a anti-biotic. It ended up costing me about 8 grand by the time it was over,but I still have both legs. Now,neither the silver impregnated pads nor the varicose vein surgery were approved at the VA hospital,so they didn't even tell me such things were an option. They just wanted to amputate and give me a high-tech plastic leg. Which is insane when you consider the leg alone would cost a hell of a lot more than what I paid for the surgery outside,plus the cost of the amputation,hospital time,therapy,etc,etc,etc. Socialized medicine is a "one size fits all" approach to medical care. In England they were refusing heart bypass operations at one time to people who smoked or ate pork because their lifestyles contributed to their medical problems. Or at least that was the excuse used. The real reason is there wasn't enough money in the budget to provide bypass operations to everybody who needed them,so they practiced triage.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I did. I was declared only 20% disabled and have too much money in the bank ($2,000 limit). I am neither a lawyer or a doctor,and don't even play either on tv,but if your condition is a chronic one that does require care to preserve your life and health,you have grounds for an appeal. FWIW,my understanding of the SS disability situation is that they ALWAYS turn you down the first time you apply unless you are hospitalized and dying,or in a wheelchair for life. Once again,it is a money saving thing. It keeps a lot of the people off the rolls that don't really belong there,but just want to get a check every month. THAT is the concern of a lot of people applying for it,not getting treated for medical problems. Just don't agree to pay any of those shyster lawyers that advertise on tv that they specialize in SS disability cases. They end up getting a percentage of your SS check and you don't need them because if you have documentation from doctors saying your condition is permanent and needing constant medical care,you will get approved on the appeal without them. If you have genuine medical conditions and you have paid into the system,you deserve to benefit from the insurance program that is SS. File an appeal. You can do this at the local SS office and don't need a lawyer to do it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Taxes Unions EPA Regs OSHA regs And another miles of Hoops and Red tape to struggle with... They are not moving production to Somalia where there are no taxes and regulations they are moving to the EU's Italy. Lots more taxes and regulations. Right wing suckers.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
So what's your problem with "socialist" (per what you types consider "socialist") Europe if they can insure their population and attract businesses from America and produce first rate fire arms like Baretta and Glock? Seems like a superior system!
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
This is too much, now I get it. You're not a genuine Useful Idiot, you're one of us just trying to make them look even dumber than they really are.
Small govt and govt distrusting conservatives seem to throw out their anti govt rhetoric when it comes to trusting the govt on these death penalties. I am sort of in the middle on this. Mass murders (kills more than one) and seriel killers should get the death penalty because killing seems to be an urge with them and they may kill in jail but life in prison for the rest and they would get the death penalty if they attempt murder in jail.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You have to explain to me using basic right wing American ideology (remember you kooks consider Italy and the EU "socialist" even though most of Europe is ruled by right of center govts like Italy's) why "socialist" Italy (which right wingers tell us has more taxes and more regulations than America) is luring over production from North Carolina. By the way, conservatives rule in Canada now and they have stated publically that the GOP and their version of reality is insane.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
He gets my vote as the dumbest person on this board, even surpassing Isuckabigschwantzky.
I have never been on a private insurance plan that allowed that. There were choices, but you have to pick from the insurance provider's stable of doctors and hospitals. The Veterans Administration hospitals are a perfect example of socialized medicine. Anybody that thinks socialized medicine is a good idea should be required to get ALL their medical treatment at a VA hospital for at least 2 or 3 years. My ex-husband is in love with the VA and his VA doctor. They were able to get his diabetes under control for the first time - something the for profit, private providers were never able to do. Now,neither the silver impregnated pads nor the varicose vein surgery were approved at the VA hospital,so they didn't even tell me such things were an option. I'm sorry you had to go through that and certainly understand how that would sour you on the VA. Trust me, the same thing happens in the private sector. My mother was told by her doctor that there was nothing that could be done for a condition she had. He said "I'm declaring you 100% disabled, go home". She ended up at Mayo clinic in Minnesota where they managed to clear up her condition in 3 weeks. Her private doctor in California said when he saw her again, "Some people believe in witch doctors, and some believe in institutions like Mayo. Its your ignorance the leads you to believe you got help". It turned out that the treatment she got in Minnesota was developed in a university medical center 5 miles down the road from her California doctor. Socialized medicine is a "one size fits all" approach to medical care. Socialized medicine and government health insurance are not the same thing. Swedes can go to any doctor or hospital in the country they wish. I believe the same is true in France. In Denmark one can choose a primary care doctor on a yearly basis and go to specialists that doctor works with at no cost or choose to see any doctor he wishes for any reason with 2/3 the cost paid by the government. Single-payer national health insurance is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health financing, but delivery of care remains largely private. http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-resources#myths_facts All the information you could possibly want on single payer health insurance.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Europeans actually consider Capitalism to be their economic system.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
That's called a PPO. Most health plans are not PPOs. Most employers allow you to choose between a PPO and traditional insurance. Tradition insurance usually requires higher deductibles or copays, but that is what I have always chosen because I don't want restrictions on who I can see.
I feel Capital Punishment is unwarranted torture. IT has killed people who later turned out to be innocent, and when you factor in the costs of appeals and other expenses I don't see CP as being a cheaper option. not that cost should ever be a factor in determining who lives or who dies.
Wrong. I have consistently opposed abortion for a very long time. That's what you get for assuming.
I feel Capital Punishment is unwarranted torture. I don't,as long as long as it is only applied to cold-blooded murderers and traitors. Please note I am NOT saying accomplices in a robbery that had no idea anybody was going to kill a victim,but to the actual killers themselves. IT has killed people who later turned out to be innocent, Follow my plan of charging cops,DA's,and judges who have knowingly created false evidence to convict someone innocent or who held back information that could have proven their innocence with attempted murder and kidnapping to be followed with mandatory MINIMUM sentences in maximum security federal prisons with no time off for good behavior,parole,or pardons,and that problem will disappear overnight.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That won't stop it - there are plenty of examples of honest DAs and police officers convinced of a suspect's guilt when that suspect is innocent.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
That's true,but that's not the same thing as manufacturing or hiding evidence in order to get a conviction.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Agreed, but my point was that honest mistakes do happen, and innocent people have been put to death as a result. I've never understood why those who rant the most against "government" seem to be the staunchest proponents of allowing government the power to kill its citizens.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
It's their religious backgrounds. They want sinners to be punished. They want revenge. They don't understand that the reason behind the death penalty is not to punish sinners or get revenge,but to make society safe from monsters. You can't bring the murdered child (for example)back to life by executing the murderer,but you can prevent that murderer from murdering any other children by executing them. I know death penalty opponents claim that a sentence of life without parole takes care of that problem,but it doesn't because laws and sentences can be changed. IMHO,the death penalty should be reserved for the most outrageous cases,and even then only apply to the actual murderers in cases where they is no possible chance of the defendant being innocent. Cases like the recent one where the loon tried to kill the congresswoman and ended up killing a bunch of other people and getting tackled and subdued right on the murder scene. There can be no doubt as to his guilt,and there is no good reason his trial,sentencing,and execution should take over a week.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Agreed, but it's impossible to design a system that has a 0% failure rate.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Maybe,but it would be no trick at all to come up with a better process than we have now.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
(Moving plant to socialized Italy from red state loving North Carolina)
#7. To: Happy Quanzaa (#6)
It's the taxes, stupid.
#8. To: bayhorse, Godwinson (#7)
(Edited)
Taxes
#9. To: Happy Quanzaa (#8)
And we tried 'splaining to him about the miles & miles of hoops & red tape corporations struggle with just yesterday but it was an impossible concept for him to comprehend.
#10. To: bayhorse (#9)
#11. To: Godwinson (#0)
Company to stop making drug commonly used in executions
#12. To: sneakypete, ferret mike (#4)
And no matter how much you socialists pretend otherwise,there IS a limit to the amount of money the government can collect and divert for these purposes.
#13. To: Happy Quanzaa (#6)
It's the taxes, stupid.
#14. To: lucysmom (#13)
Italy's corporate tax rate is not all that low.
#15. To: Happy Quanzaa (#14)
Doesn't matter, it's lower than ours. Everybody's is.
#16. To: Happy Quanzaa (#10)
On this thread
#17. To: bayhorse (#11)
Hell 20 feet of good rope can be bought at any farm and ranch store for about $35.00 and can be used over and over for a long time,
#18. To: go65 (#12)
I have a big problem trusting the government to only execute the guilty.
#19. To: lucysmom (#15)
Maybe its Italy's health care system.
#20. To: sneakypete (#19)
Ever stop to think that it is only the people who have never had to live with socialized medicine,or that is the only system they know that are for it?
#21. To: lucysmom (#15)
Maybe its Italy's health care system.
#22. To: Happy Quanzaa (#21)
If you believe that then go to Italy when you (God forbid) need first class medical care. After all, when that congress lady got a bullet through the brain the other week it really exposed just how awful the medical system is in the US. /sarc
#23. To: lucysmom (#20)
The Tea partiers seem pretty fond of their Medicare.
#24. To: sneakypete (#23)
That's not socialized medicine. It's an insurance program they paid into,and they get to choose what doctors and hospitals they go to.
#25. To: lucysmom (#22)
Pre-existing conditions make me uninsurable, thus first class medical care is unavailable to me in the US.
#26. To: sneakypete (#25)
If this is true why aren't you receiving Medicare/Medicaid? If you haven't applied for it you should.
#27. To: lucysmom (#24)
So then you wouldn't object to a government insurance program available for purchase to every American?
#28. To: lucysmom (#26)
If this is true why aren't you receiving Medicare/Medicaid? If you haven't applied for it you should.
#29. To: bayhorse, Happy Quanzaa (#7)
It's the taxes, stupid.
#30. To: Happy Quanzaa, lucysmom, go65, bayhorse, sneakypete (#14)
Italy's corporate tax rate is not all that low. Doesn't matter, it's lower than ours. Everybody's is.
#31. To: Godwinson (#29)
#32. To: go65, sneakypete, ferret mike, (#12)
#33. To: Happy Quanzaa, lucysmom, go65, bayhorse, sneakypete (#31)
(Edited)
#34. To: Happy Quanzaa (#8)
Comrade Godwinson is kinda' slow
"It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange
#35. To: sneakypete (#27)
Of course not. Not as long as they get to retain the right to go to the hospital of their choice and see the doctor of their choice.
#36. To: Godwinson (#30)
So what's your problem with "socialist" (per what you types consider "socialist") Europe if they can insure their population and attract businesses from America and produce first rate fire arms like Baretta and Glock?
#37. To: lucysmom (#35)
(Edited)
I have never been on a private insurance plan that allowed that. There were choices, but you have to pick from the insurance provider's stable of doctors and hospitals.
"It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange
#38. To: sneakypete (#4)
#39. To: bayhorse (#3)
"But you approve of abortion, killing thousands of babies in the womb right????? "
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
#41. To: sneakypete (#18)
No question about it. The only effective way to stop that sort of thing is to make it mandatory to charge any court official or LEO that manufactures evidence against an innocent suspect or hides evidence proving innocence should be brought up on trial for kidnapping and attempted murder themselves.
#42. To: go65 (#41)
there are plenty of examples of honest DAs and police officers convinced of a suspect's guilt when that suspect is innocent.
#43. To: sneakypete (#42)
That's true,but that's not the same thing as manufacturing or hiding evidence in order to get a conviction.
#44. To: go65 (#43)
I've never understood why those who rant the most against "government" seem to be the staunchest proponents of allowing government the power to kill its citizens.
#45. To: sneakypete (#44)
I know death penalty opponents claim that a sentence of life without parole takes care of that problem,but it doesn't because laws and sentences can be changed. IMHO,the death penalty should be reserved for the most outrageous cases,and even then only apply to the actual murderers in cases where they is no possible chance of the defendant being innocent. Cases like the recent one where the loon tried to kill the congresswoman and ended up killing a bunch of other people and getting tackled and subdued right on the murder scene. There can be no doubt as to his guilt,and there is no good reason his trial,sentencing,and execution should take over a week.
#46. To: go65 (#45)
Agreed, but it's impossible to design a system that has a 0% failure rate.
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