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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Health/Medical See other Health/Medical Articles Title: Steve Jobs 'Had Secret Cancer Treatment in Switzerland' (Rich Americans go to Socialist Europe for health care) Source: english.chosun.com URL Source: http://english.chosun.com/site/data ... /2011/01/20/2011012001158.html Published: Jan 20, 2011 Author: englishnews@chosun.com Post Date: 2011-01-22 00:21:21 by Godwinson Keywords: None Views: 21252 Comments: 29 Steve Jobs 'Had Secret Cancer Treatment in Switzerland' Apple CEO Steve Jobs secretly visited Switzerland to treat his cancer in 2009, it was revealed on Tuesday amid speculation surrounding Jobs' health after he took a third medical leave. Fortune magazine on Tuesday cited former Apple director Jerry York, who died in March last year, as saying Jobs received radiotherapy to treat neuroendocrine cancer at the University Hospital of Basel during his second medical leave in 2009. At the time, a special form of hormone-delivered radiotherapy developed by the hospital was not available in the U.S., Fortune said. Jobs also had a liver transplant at Methodist University Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee the same year. His original cancer treatment was in 2004. There is speculation that the reason for the liver transplant was also cancer, and the deteriorating condition of Jobs' liver or recurrence of cancer may have forced him to take leave again. However, doctors emphasize that the neuroendocrine cancer Jobs is battling is a very rare form with a slow pace of development and is treatable. englishnews@chosun.com / Jan. 20, 2011 11:55 KST Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 27. #2. To: Godwinson (#0) Steve Jobs 'Had Secret Cancer Treatment in Switzerland' Because the FDA wouldn't allow the treatment here. Americans go all over the world for experimental cancer treatments because the FDA drags it's heals on approving new and innovative treatments in America. It's another example of how the American government continually fails us. jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   9:46:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: jwpegler, Godwinson (#2) (Edited) I should have read the threads first before my reply. Oh well, Godwinson's a Lib, I doubt he "get's it", even after having it explained twice. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-01-22   14:17:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: jwpegler, Happy Quanzaa (#6) I should have read the threads first before my reply. Oh well, Godwinson's a Lib, I doubt he "get's it", even after having it explained twice. You have to explain to me why "socialist" Europe can do what America's private health care system can not? You blame the FDA and thus bureaucracy and thus America's problem with govt but in Socialist Europe they would have more govt intervention per the theory. But it ain't so. Choke on the truth. By the way I am not a "lib". Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   14:22:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: jwpegler, Happy Quanzaa (#8) Because the FDA wouldn't allow the treatment here. Americans go all over the world for experimental cancer treatments because the FDA drags it's heals on approving new and innovative treatments in America. I just realized with this statement you guys made that up. The FDA does not ban testing of new drugs or procedures on people. Yes, it restricts mass use but trails on humans can continue with only reporting to the FDA on results. This claim of the FDA denying treatment is an example of "Truthiness" which is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts. Why don't you bring up the fact that private insurance companies deny coverage of experimental treatments routinely in America (which makes it a lie to claim the FDA denies experimental treatments). Of course Jobs is rich enough to not need insurance to cover any experimental treatment its just that the best of the best is in so called "socialist" Europe not in America. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   16:41:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Godwinson (#20) (Edited) The FDA does not ban testing of new drugs or procedures on people Of course they do. Dr. Alan Chow invented a retinal implant that helps some blind people see. Demonstrating that took seven years and cost $50 million dollars of FDA-approved tests. But now the FDA wants still more tests. That third stage will take another three years and cost $100 million. But Chow doesn't have $100 million. He can't raise the money from investors because the implant only helps some blind people. Potential investors fear there are too few customers to justify their $100 million risk. So Stephen Lonegan, who has a degenerative eye disease that might be helped by the implant, can't have it. Instead, he will go blind. The bureaucrats say their restrictions are for his own safety. "There's nothing safe about going blind," he says. "I don't want to be made safe by the FDA. I want it to be up to me to go to Dr. Chow to make the decision myself." FDA to Americans -- GO AHEAD AND DIE, GO BLIND, WHATEVER, WE DON'T GIVE A DAMN jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   19:35:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: jwpegler (#21) (Edited) Demonstrating that took seven years and cost $50 million dollars of FDA-approved tests. But now the FDA wants still more tests. That third stage will take another three years and cost $100 million. But Chow doesn't have $100 million. He can't raise the money from investors because the implant only helps some blind people. Potential investors fear there are too few customers to justify their $100 million risk. Maybe he should move to Germany where the socialist govt would have no problem raising the money. If capitalism worked he would be able to raise this money on the free market since a payoff would be expected, no? Your own argument shows the failure of capitalism to fund medical science. Here is evidence that money trumps the health of people in America not the FDA: Gislin Dagnelie, who works with a team of doctors and engineers on developing retinal chips, said the company may be keeping a tight reign on results because, as a privately held company, Optobionics needs to attract investors. "They picture things as going forward, and I don't doubt they are telling the truth about their patients doing well," Dagnelie said. "But I think they are somewhat overemphasizing how close they are to having a working device." Chow was not available for further comment... Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   20:12:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Godwinson (#23) (Edited) Maybe he should move to Germany where the socialist govt would have no problem raising the money. You really are a know-nothing, dumb bastard aren't you? Government idiots like you are blocking this poor guy's treatment. WHY? Because you are mindless bureaucrats who can do nothing but follow stupid rules. My grandmother died well before her time in Germany because the dumb government doctors couldn't recognize a simple kidney disorder. The human race is at a turning point. If we want to survive as a species, we need to eradicate from public life the 20% of the population who comprise the leftist parasites that are sucking the lifeblood out of society. Otherwise, we are all doomed. jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   20:19:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: jwpegler (#24) My grandmother died well before her time in Germany because the dumb government doctors couldn't recognize a simple kidney disorder. If Europe is so bad at innovation why is Jobs risking his life there for treatment and not doing it in the good ole US of A? https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world- factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html Country Comparison :: Life expectancy at birth Ranked #36 Germany 79.41 2010 est. Ranked #49 United States 78.24 2010 est. American suckers........ Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   20:28:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Godwinson (#25) (Edited) If Europe is so bad at innovation why is Jobs risking his life there for treatment and not doing it in the good ole US of A? I've already explained this you TWICE. This is the third time. I won't do it again. Americans go all over the world from Asia, Latin America and Europe seeking cancer treatments. Why??? The FDA requires companies to spend hundreds of millions of dollars over decades to bring new drugs to market. Europe and the rest of the world don't have these same type of regulations. So it's much easier to bring a new treatment to market in Europe, Japan, China, Chile, etc than it is in the U.S. Are patients dying more frequently in those countries from bad drugs than they are in the U.S.????? NO THEY ARE NOT. The U.S. has the worst government in the developed world. The very worst. People die in America because of the idiotic government regulations. jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   20:36:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: jwpegler (#26) Americans go all over the world from Asia, Latin America and Europe seeking cancer treatments. So socialised medicine is better than the American model.... In any case your posting "truthiness" rather than facts. In any case your fall back argument that the FDA is what is holding back America's health care is funny since govt run socialized medicine is not doint that. That is your own argument followed to its logical conclusion. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   20:45:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 27. #28. To: Godwinson (#27) So socialised medicine is better than the American model.... I am done with you. You are stupid that you aren't worth responding to. jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22 20:46:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 27. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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