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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Health/Medical See other Health/Medical Articles Title: Steve Jobs 'Had Secret Cancer Treatment in Switzerland' (Rich Americans go to Socialist Europe for health care) Source: english.chosun.com URL Source: http://english.chosun.com/site/data ... /2011/01/20/2011012001158.html Published: Jan 20, 2011 Author: englishnews@chosun.com Post Date: 2011-01-22 00:21:21 by Godwinson Keywords: None Views: 21245 Comments: 29 Steve Jobs 'Had Secret Cancer Treatment in Switzerland' Apple CEO Steve Jobs secretly visited Switzerland to treat his cancer in 2009, it was revealed on Tuesday amid speculation surrounding Jobs' health after he took a third medical leave. Fortune magazine on Tuesday cited former Apple director Jerry York, who died in March last year, as saying Jobs received radiotherapy to treat neuroendocrine cancer at the University Hospital of Basel during his second medical leave in 2009. At the time, a special form of hormone-delivered radiotherapy developed by the hospital was not available in the U.S., Fortune said. Jobs also had a liver transplant at Methodist University Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee the same year. His original cancer treatment was in 2004. There is speculation that the reason for the liver transplant was also cancer, and the deteriorating condition of Jobs' liver or recurrence of cancer may have forced him to take leave again. However, doctors emphasize that the neuroendocrine cancer Jobs is battling is a very rare form with a slow pace of development and is treatable. englishnews@chosun.com / Jan. 20, 2011 11:55 KST Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: Godwinsonm All (#0) Jobs also had a liver transplant at Methodist University Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee the same year. His original cancer treatment was in 2004. You can tell when the US Elite haven't positioned themselves. And Everything was done to stop AAPl's drop. finance.yahoo.com/echarts...scale=on;source=undefined Which ended the week where Monday, the Germans sold down to. 8D mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-22   8:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Godwinson (#0) Steve Jobs 'Had Secret Cancer Treatment in Switzerland' Because the FDA wouldn't allow the treatment here. Americans go all over the world for experimental cancer treatments because the FDA drags it's heals on approving new and innovative treatments in America. It's another example of how the American government continually fails us. "It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   9:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: jwpegler (#2) Because the FDA wouldn't allow the treatment here. Americans go all over the world for experimental cancer treatments because the FDA drags it's heals on approving new and innovative treatments in America. So let me get this correct - Socialist European health care is less restrictive and bureaucratic. Got it. So let's adopt Europe's health care model.......or will you now spin it to try and say America's ridiculous system is still better? "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   14:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Godwinson (#0) At the time, a special form of hormone-delivered radiotherapy developed by the hospital was not available in the U.S Because, at the time, the Federal Big Government bureaucrats at the Food & Drug Administration were still dragging their feet on approving the treatment for use in the U.S.. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-01-22   14:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Happy Quanzaa (#4) (Edited) Because, at the time, the Federal Big Government bureaucrats at the Food & Drug Administration were still dragging their feet on approving the treatment for use in the U.S.. So let me get this correct - Socialist European health care is less restrictive and bureaucratic. Got it. So let's adopt Europe's health care model.......or will you now spin it to try and say America's ridiculous system is still better? Because one the propaganda arguments the so called conservative talk heads used is that all the rich from all over the world come to America for high end treatment. Not true in the case of Jobs is it? You have been suckered by right wing lies. The entire GOP philosophy is based on lies - of a narrative that is fiction. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   14:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: jwpegler, Godwinson (#2) (Edited) I should have read the threads first before my reply. Oh well, Godwinson's a Lib, I doubt he "get's it", even after having it explained twice. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-01-22   14:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: jwpegler, Godwinson (#6) I doubt he "get's it", even after having it explained twice. Yep, I was right. Told twice and still stuck on stupid. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-01-22   14:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: jwpegler, Happy Quanzaa (#6) I should have read the threads first before my reply. Oh well, Godwinson's a Lib, I doubt he "get's it", even after having it explained twice. You have to explain to me why "socialist" Europe can do what America's private health care system can not? You blame the FDA and thus bureaucracy and thus America's problem with govt but in Socialist Europe they would have more govt intervention per the theory. But it ain't so. Choke on the truth. By the way I am not a "lib". "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   14:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Godwinson (#8) but in Socialist Europe they would have more govt intervention per the theory. But it ain't so. So you're saying when socialized ObamaCare government medicine takes over what the government's not already regulating then we'll have less regulations? Uh, OK, if you say so. Pass me the bong a few more times and then maybe I'll "get it" too. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-01-22   14:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Hjwpegler, Happy Quanzaa (#7) (Edited) The Socialist British Are Much Healthier Than The Americans A large study, which looked at the health of middle class, middle-aged, white residents in both the USA and Britain found that the British enjoy much better health than their American counterparts. Even though the USA has a much higher income per capita than the UK, about 25% higher, the British are far ahead when it comes to the health of its residents. http://doctorwascher.com/Archives/2-22-09.htm Health Differences Between Americans & Europeans I have commented before about the striking discordance between the amount of money that we spend on health care in the United States and the health outcomes that we achieve with all of those dollars. At more than $2 trillion dollars per year, or more than $7,000 per citizen per year, the U.S. spends more on health care than virtually every other country in the world. One would, therefore, assume that all of those trillions of health care dollars would translate into a globally unsurpassed level of health and wellbeing in America. However, one would actually be mistaken in this assumption, as the United States lags behind many other countries of the world, including a few relatively underdeveloped countries, in several very important public health benchmarks. As if this were not bad enough, the world’s richest nation has an estimated 47 million uninsured citizens, with millions more possessing utterly inadequate health insurance coverage (millions of us in this country are just one serious illness away from financial ruin). A new research study, just published in the American Journal of Public Health, provides a rather stark comparison between the health status of rich and poor adults in the United States and Europe. In this study, more than 17,000 adults between the ages of 50 and 74 years were interviewed from among 10 European countries. Nearly 7,000 Americans of similar age were also interviewed for this study. The researchers assessed these 24,000 middle-aged and elderly adults for 6 chronic illnesses that are commonly accepted as indicators of the overall health of a society. In general, the American adults reported poorer overall health than their European counterparts. While the differences in health between the two groups of adults were, not surprisingly, more pronounced among poorer patients, even the wealthier Americans reported more problems with their health when compared to wealthy Europeans. At the same time, the gap in health status between rich and poor was much smaller among Europeans than was observed among the American patients who participated in this study. (As a striking example of the health disparities between Americans and Europeans, heart disease, the number one cause of death in most developed countries, was present in 18 percent of Americans, but in only 11 percent of Europeans, in this study.) "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   14:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Happy Quanzaa (#9) So you're saying when socialized ObamaCare government medicine takes over what the government's not already regulating then we'll have less regulations? Uh, OK, if you say so. Pass me the bong a few more times and then maybe I'll "get it" too. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I clearly wrote (and you can see it above twice): "So let's adopt Europe's health care model.......or will you now spin it to try and say America's ridiculous system is still better?" I don't like Obama's health plan since it is a Republican party plan from a decade ago. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   14:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Godwinson (#11) "So let's adopt Europe's health care model Why won't you commies leave Amerika alone and move to the People's Republic of Europe and let it adopt you? Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-01-22   14:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Happy Quanzaa (#12) So you have no argument backed with facts and resort to the Archie Bunker routine of "leave America if you don't like it"? How about I am a patriot and want to fix America's problems. Why don't you so called small or no conservatives move to Somalia where there is no govt and no taxes? "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   14:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Godwinson (#13) Facts my ass, your argument is backed by Utopian pipe dreams. Leave the system that works better than any other in the history of the world alone. Everything wrong with it now is because of government meddling. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-01-22   14:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Happy Quanzaa (#14) Facts my ass, your argument is backed by Utopian pipe dreams. Leave the system that works better than any other in the history of the world alone. Everything wrong with it now is because of government meddling. Of course you don't like facts because it gets in the way of the fantasy that the the American "system works better than any other in the history of the world." This in spite of the right wing talking points demolished by facts. A) "Socialized" medicine in Europe costs less B) Produces better results and is C) Of such better quality that rich Americans go to Europe for cutting edge treatment (rather than the talking piont memo lie that they come to America for a cure). Being a right winger in America is a mental disorder because even if told the truth with facts you stick to the fantasy narrative of the American right wing. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   15:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Godwinson (#15) like facts Facts? You moron, look at the budget deficit, look at the unemployment numbers, look at the crashing economy; all unnecessary, all caused by government. Government's screwed up everything it's ever done. That's a fact. And anybody that thinks an entity like the government that's f**ked up everything it's ever put in finger in can do anything right has to be a blithering idiot, that's a fact too. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-01-22   15:13:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Happy Quanzaa (#16) You moron, look at the budget deficit Don't invade other multiple countries at the same time and maintain bases around the world, stupid. Countries you right wing kooks label socialist like Germany and Switzerland have robust militaries for defense and they are doing fine with the costs of their cheaper and more effective healthcare systems. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   15:18:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Godwinson (#13) I am a patriot and want to fix America's problems. There was no problem with health care in this country until Hillary Clinton and her husband the co-president decided to politicize it in order to control it. Wanting to control the means of an industry is fascism. This country was not built on fascism. We had the best health care until you fascists decided to destroy it in order to rebuild it to your own specifications. This makes you a fascist, not a patriot. Stop changing your handle and change your outlook. Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-22   15:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Rudgear (#18) This country was not built on fascism. America was built on slave labor and genocide so I guess America was indeed built by fascism. But we got better as a people.... "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   15:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: jwpegler, Happy Quanzaa (#8) Because the FDA wouldn't allow the treatment here. Americans go all over the world for experimental cancer treatments because the FDA drags it's heals on approving new and innovative treatments in America. I just realized with this statement you guys made that up. The FDA does not ban testing of new drugs or procedures on people. Yes, it restricts mass use but trails on humans can continue with only reporting to the FDA on results. This claim of the FDA denying treatment is an example of "Truthiness" which is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts. Why don't you bring up the fact that private insurance companies deny coverage of experimental treatments routinely in America (which makes it a lie to claim the FDA denies experimental treatments). Of course Jobs is rich enough to not need insurance to cover any experimental treatment its just that the best of the best is in so called "socialist" Europe not in America. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   16:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Godwinson (#20) (Edited) The FDA does not ban testing of new drugs or procedures on people Of course they do. Dr. Alan Chow invented a retinal implant that helps some blind people see. Demonstrating that took seven years and cost $50 million dollars of FDA-approved tests. But now the FDA wants still more tests. That third stage will take another three years and cost $100 million. But Chow doesn't have $100 million. He can't raise the money from investors because the implant only helps some blind people. Potential investors fear there are too few customers to justify their $100 million risk. So Stephen Lonegan, who has a degenerative eye disease that might be helped by the implant, can't have it. Instead, he will go blind. The bureaucrats say their restrictions are for his own safety. "There's nothing safe about going blind," he says. "I don't want to be made safe by the FDA. I want it to be up to me to go to Dr. Chow to make the decision myself." FDA to Americans -- GO AHEAD AND DIE, GO BLIND, WHATEVER, WE DON'T GIVE A DAMN "It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   19:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Happy Quanzaa (#7) Yep, I was right. Told twice and still stuck on stupid. He's a great advertisement for promoting the notion that one has to pass a literacy test to vote. "It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   19:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: jwpegler (#21) (Edited) Demonstrating that took seven years and cost $50 million dollars of FDA-approved tests. But now the FDA wants still more tests. That third stage will take another three years and cost $100 million. But Chow doesn't have $100 million. He can't raise the money from investors because the implant only helps some blind people. Potential investors fear there are too few customers to justify their $100 million risk. Maybe he should move to Germany where the socialist govt would have no problem raising the money. If capitalism worked he would be able to raise this money on the free market since a payoff would be expected, no? Your own argument shows the failure of capitalism to fund medical science. Here is evidence that money trumps the health of people in America not the FDA: Gislin Dagnelie, who works with a team of doctors and engineers on developing retinal chips, said the company may be keeping a tight reign on results because, as a privately held company, Optobionics needs to attract investors. "They picture things as going forward, and I don't doubt they are telling the truth about their patients doing well," Dagnelie said. "But I think they are somewhat overemphasizing how close they are to having a working device." Chow was not available for further comment... "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   20:12:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Godwinson (#23) (Edited) Maybe he should move to Germany where the socialist govt would have no problem raising the money. You really are a know-nothing, dumb bastard aren't you? Government idiots like you are blocking this poor guy's treatment. WHY? Because you are mindless bureaucrats who can do nothing but follow stupid rules. My grandmother died well before her time in Germany because the dumb government doctors couldn't recognize a simple kidney disorder. The human race is at a turning point. If we want to survive as a species, we need to eradicate from public life the 20% of the population who comprise the leftist parasites that are sucking the lifeblood out of society. Otherwise, we are all doomed. "It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   20:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: jwpegler (#24) My grandmother died well before her time in Germany because the dumb government doctors couldn't recognize a simple kidney disorder. If Europe is so bad at innovation why is Jobs risking his life there for treatment and not doing it in the good ole US of A? https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world- factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html Country Comparison :: Life expectancy at birth Ranked #36 Germany 79.41 2010 est. Ranked #49 United States 78.24 2010 est. American suckers........ "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   20:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Godwinson (#25) (Edited) If Europe is so bad at innovation why is Jobs risking his life there for treatment and not doing it in the good ole US of A? I've already explained this you TWICE. This is the third time. I won't do it again. Americans go all over the world from Asia, Latin America and Europe seeking cancer treatments. Why??? The FDA requires companies to spend hundreds of millions of dollars over decades to bring new drugs to market. Europe and the rest of the world don't have these same type of regulations. So it's much easier to bring a new treatment to market in Europe, Japan, China, Chile, etc than it is in the U.S. Are patients dying more frequently in those countries from bad drugs than they are in the U.S.????? NO THEY ARE NOT. The U.S. has the worst government in the developed world. The very worst. People die in America because of the idiotic government regulations. "It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   20:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: jwpegler (#26) Americans go all over the world from Asia, Latin America and Europe seeking cancer treatments. So socialised medicine is better than the American model.... In any case your posting "truthiness" rather than facts. In any case your fall back argument that the FDA is what is holding back America's health care is funny since govt run socialized medicine is not doint that. That is your own argument followed to its logical conclusion. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   20:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Godwinson (#27) So socialised medicine is better than the American model.... I am done with you. You are stupid that you aren't worth responding to. "It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-22   20:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: jwpegler, lucysmom (#28) (Edited) Americans go all over the world from Asia, Latin America and Europe seeking cancer treatments. I know of no country in the advanced world that operate health care free from govt funding. So that means Americans - by your own admission - leave America for better health care found in socialized medicine nations. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-22   20:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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