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Title: ‘Is GE betraying its customers and its country?’
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URL Source: http://rightwingnews.com/#post25430
Published: Jan 21, 2011
Author: unk
Post Date: 2011-01-21 21:19:53 by Mad Dog
Keywords: Is, GE, antiAMERICAN
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Comments: 59
General Electric is one of America's most storied companies. Founded in 1892, the global conglomerate has over 300,000 employees and business units that are involved with every aspect of industry, from finance to light bulbs. In the process, however, GE has become emblematic of crony capitalism with its deep and intricate ties to the Democrat Party and the Obama administration in particular. At Daily Finance, Peter Cohan describes how GE's recently announced aviation deal in China endangers America's economic and national security interests. How GE Is Arming China to Compete With Boeing -- and America General Electric (GE) plans to sell its aircraft electronics to Chinese companies, and if you don't have a problem with that, maybe you should. After all, China just flight-tested a prototype stealth fighter, it continues to build up its military -- and we can only hope it's not planning to expand its territory in ways that threaten the U.S. But if China does decide to get aggressive with the U.S., GE will have provided it with the aircraft technology it will be using. According to The New York Times, GE is signing a deal to sell avionics technology -- electronics that control an aircraft's basic in-flight operations -- to Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China (CACC), which aspires to build commercial and military aircraft. GE will do this through a joint venture with a Chinese company, Aviation Industry Corp. of China (Avic). Avic makes avionics for CACC and for China's military -- including its stealth fighter. Cohan, a Babson College professor, believes "GE [is] betraying its customers and its country" because China represents a $400 billion market for its aircraft products by 2030. Cohan believes that Crony Capitalists like GE's senior management are "making the decisions that will determine America's fate." This is a discomfiting thought indeed -- and General Electric's shareholders need to make their voices heard before this deal is a fait accompli. Infomercials for Socialized Medicine This isn't the first time that GE has appeared to have a dramatic conflict with the best interests of the American people. Consider its actions related to socialized medicine -- better known as Obamacare -- and its advocacy efforts of same. Remember that GE Capital -- another unit of General Electric -- received approximately $140 billion in taxpayer funds in 2008 as part of the initial financial bailout. Which makes it curious that the Obama administration earmarked another six billion in GE funds (or are they taxpayer funds?) to a new GE firm called Healthymagination. Healthymagination's advisers include Tom Daschle, Barack Obama's initial nominee for secretary of Health and Human Services. At a recent conference, GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt claimed that America's economic crisis was not simply an economic crisis. It was instead a "reset", where companies that intersect with government will "prosper... and people who don't understand that will get left behind." Immelt, a member of Mr. Obama's economic recovery advisory board, went on to say that, "The intersection of government and business will be changed, maybe for a generation." The business case behind Healthymagination hinged on nationalization of the health care industry. Computerization of health care records is not only a vaunted component of the Obama stimulus package, it is also a $75 to $100 billion business over the next ten years. Coincidentally, Healthymagination just happens to be building a health care record management system. Oh, and did I mention NBC? It was involved, too. In 2009 Health Imaging reported that the GE-owned media conglomerate -- something out of the movie Rollerball -- would also do its part. NBC Universal and NBC News would air more than 5,000 televised reports annually on health and wellness. MSNBC would launch a new, daily program dedicated solely to health information... in addition to medical issues it would also examine health policy. The plan was simple: the media would broadcast pro-Obamacare propaganda; government would enact policy "by popular demand"; and the chosen corporation would profit at taxpayer expense. As Andrew Wilkow observed, "Healthymagination states its target dates for the completion of its various initiatives as 2015, well into a second Obama term. This means GE will have a deep financial interest in Mr. Obama's re-election; a fact that will no doubt be reflected in its media divisions. It will certainly be interesting to see if the left-wing watchdogs howl, or if they will conclude this is an acceptable level of collusion between the White House and a multinational conglomerate." The sale of NBC to Comcast may have thwarted those plans, but the plans themselves were downright disturbing. It's up to shareholders to call GE CEO Jeff Immelt on the carpet What GE appears to be engaging in is not capitalism: it is an unholy alliance of governmental and corporate interests that thwarts the national security and economic interests of the American people to benefit a chosen few senior executives and politicians. GE's shareholders must rebel against these un-American -- and, frankly, anti-American -- activities. GE is a national institution -- but its recent activities smack of pure, unmitigated evil.
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General Electric (GE) plans to sell its aircraft electronics to Chinese companies, and if you don't have a problem with that, maybe you should. After all, China just flight-tested a prototype stealth fighter, it continues to build up its military -- and we can only hope it's not planning to expand its territory in ways that threaten the U.S. On the board of American IG in 1930 were a number of Americans. They were; * Edsel B Ford (Ford Motors) * Herman A Metz (IG Farben, Bank of Manhattan) * Charles E Mitchell (Federal Reserve Bank of New York, National City Bank) * Walter Teagle (Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Standard Oil of New Jersey) * Paul M Warburg (Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Bank of Manhattan) Of note is the presence of three directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, including Paul Warburg who was the architect of the Federal Reserve system. Paul Warburg's brother Max sat on the board of IG Farben in Germany. It must be remembered that Max sent Lenin into Russia in 1917. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York was considered the most powerful bank in the USA because it had the most power within the Federal Reserve system. Why would THREE of its directors want to direct the American subsidiary of a German chemical corporation? One of the German directors was Max Ilgner, the nephew of IG Farben creator Hermann Schmitz, who also sat on the board of American IG. Ilgner ran the Berlin NW7 office of IG Farben, which was the key Nazi overseas espionage centre and housed the economic intelligence unit of the Wehrmacht. Also of note is the presence of Edsel B Ford of Ford Motors. In 1928 Ford in Germany merged with IG Farben. Henry Ford was admired so much by Hitler that Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the Supreme Order of the German Eagle. This was the highest honour that could be bestowed by Germany on a non-German. Ford was the first American to receive the award. One of the three previous recipients was Benito Mussolini. During WW2 Ford of France and Ford of Germany supplied Germany with trucks and parts, while Ford's factory in the Soviet Union supplied the USSR with trucks, and Ford plants in the USA supplied the Allies with trucks. This is the classic "help all sides and control who wins" scenario. Parrot: By the way,...a Senior SS official of IG Farben was part of the Bilderberg org's creation . US money interests supplied Nazi's who killed Americans during WW-2.
You left out the Japanese end of things pre WW2 where exactly the same thing happened. You also left out WW1, and the indian WARS, and the Civil WAR/WAR between the states, and the Mexican WAR, and the Barbary Coast WARS and the WAR of 1812 and the Revolutionary WAR and ... ALL THROUGH OUT ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY'S WARs? This isn't just an American phenomena, it's a HUMAN thing. NOT that I'm in any way try to excuse such treason. It just IS what it IS, and what it ALWAYS has been. What do mean? COULD it happen again? It IS happening with Communist China as the major player. But the islamists have been in the mix for years, as have the Russians and ... name an enemy. Talk about not learning from the past. GREASE is GREASE, and pigs are pigs. Always have been always will be. It's just that in all of human history you seldom have seen such joyous bald faced and public treason as we in America see NOW.
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The other day,...listened to an interview which discussed the Then period Banker/Elite/Preist class...pushing Athens to attack Sparta. It keeps repeating over and over thru history. If you actually get to live your life out without a Banker war engulfing your nation,...you've indeed lived a blessed life : )
WAR always has been, and likely always will be, "good" business. I just finished Alistar Horne's "Verdun, the price of Glory". TEN months of fighting in an area of only ten square kilometers. Total, (German and French), casualties about 1 1/2 MILLION, half that, about 3/4 of a MILLION, men DEAD. What a fucking insane waste of good men and material. If you haven't ever read it you might find it interesting.
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I just finished Alistar Horne's "Verdun, the price of Glory". TEN months of fighting in an area of only ten square kilometers. Total, (German and French), casualties about 1 1/2 MILLION, half that, about 3/4 of a MILLION, men DEAD. What a fucking insane waste of good men and material. If you haven't ever read it you might find it interesting. Stanley Kubrick aced it with this movie,..... 3/4 's of my Family from England which fought in WW-1 bought the farm. Things went better for the Family in WW-2.
Off topic from Verdun but still war, WW-2 was a much faster paced war Hurtgen Forest,....Stalingrad,.....Battle of the Seelow Heights/Berlin By the end of the first day of the assault, the Soviets were learning just how expensive the Seelow Heights were going to be. Soviet losses added up to 75 tanks, 2,250 killed, 3,400 wounded and 12 Ilyushin Il-2 Shturmovik fighter-bombers lost. German losses included two Tiger I heavy tanks, four Hanomag halftracks, three Messerschmitt Me-109 fighters, seven Junkers Ju-87 Stuka dive bombers and approximately 300 killed, with a like number wounded. Konev knew he had to do something. The Kremlin wanted results, and Josef Stalin personally threatened retaliation if the attack continued to falter. Marshal Georgi Zhukov himself, Konev’s adjacent Red Army commander, was also on standby for the push to Berlin.[end]
Not that off topic. Interesting enough Stalingrad was the longest battle of WW2, it lasted about five months. Which was mentioned in the book btw. It was the same kind of battle in a way that Verdun was in that it was two nations fighting over national symbols, not an actually MILITARILY important goal. I'm sure that you must have seen the excellent movie about Stalingrad, "ENEMY at the GATE"? It is just a movie but it does give a sense of it imo. Think about the slaughter at KURSK. WAR is murder plain and simple, he who murders best WINS.
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War is not murder. It is an evil, and horrible things happen in it, but the fight between two armed parties is a fight over territory, ideas, religion or culture. It is not even banned in the Bible's Ten Commandments. The 6th commandment was in the vernacular of King Jame's time. "Thou shall not kill" translated to modern English is, "You will not murder." If the King James Bible' ten commandments had proscribed the sort of fight in war that results in combatant death, it would of had in it, "Thou shall not slay" in it, which in King Jame's English was how they would of referred to banning battlefield death.
That doesn't jive with the Wiki: Verdun resulted in 306,000 battlefield deaths (163,000 French and 143,000 German combatants) plus at least half a million wounded, an average of 30,000 deaths for each of the ten months of the battle. It was the longest and one of the most devastating battles in the First World War and the history of warfare. Verdun was primarily an artillery battle: a total of about 40 million artillery shells were exchanged, leaving behind millions of overlapping shell craters that are still partly visible. In both France and Germany, Verdun has come to represent the horrors of war, like the Battle of the Somme in the British consciousness. The renowned British military historian Major General Julian Thompson has referred to Verdun as "France's Stalingrad". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun The article later lists the casualties for that area in 1916 that are more in line with your figures. So it looks like the sticking point is what casualties occurred in this battle v. those that happened in that area overall for that year. I am pleased you are closer to being accurate than I had thought based on my memories of this battle when I read about it, but not as many died in this specific battle as you had mentioned. I'll check out this book, thanks for making me aware of it.
LOL! FUCK you MORON. ALL of HUMAN history is replete ... "WAR is MURDER", "HE WHO MURDERS BEST, "WINS". "There is only one rule in WAR, VICTORY." "VICTORY" actually means SURVIVAL. MAYBE, because what was before WAR is NEVER again the same after WAR. WAR is the natural state of all life, but it is HUMANITY which has made a serious science of it. You insipid, stupid, mewling, sub par, herd dwelling, cud chewing, bovine libTURD fool.
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You insipid, stupid, mewling, sub par, herd dwelling, cud chewing, bovine libTURD fool. How Christian (and sane) are these conservatives after all? Right wing-ism is a mental disorder.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
. The fact that you are a Polly Annish child like FOOL will NOT shelter you or yours from the reality of life. WAR is something HUMAN and it is HERE right NOW you gibbering FOOL. It is ALWAYS with the HUMAN race. Go to the beach and command the tide not to come in FOOL. Ignoring and evading the objective TRUTHS of life isn't "optimistic and good" it's ignorance of the lowest order and suicidal in THIS world. If you want to be a CHILD, you libTURD fraud, go somewhere where children such as you live. Because your simpering bullshit ain't flying here monkey boy/girl.
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Right wing-ism is a mental disorder.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The story of Sergeant York, Medal of Honor winner who was in the pre-airborne 82nd Division poses an interesting internal conflict study, when a pacifist man is conscripted into service in WWI. His personal, internal conflict is resolved in a firefight, where he dispatches German soldiers so that his men can survive. Is Sergeant York, a conscientious objector at a time when the term wasn’t even part of the lexicon, a mass murderer because he many men armed as he was that other men might live? Imcidently, his case is in chapter one on the technical manual on leadership, and in that TM deals with the quandry officers and NCOs have in determining who is salvagable as a soldier and who is not. The Officer who kept Sgt. York around made the right choice as this man proved to be a hero and made a difference. War Is governed by international standards of law and this is why a Lt. William Calley and his superior Captain Ernest Medina were in trouble for murdering 500 or so civilians at My Lai. Calley was convicted of premeditated murder and Nixon reduced his sentence to three years, so a point can be made the laws of war are not fairly administered. Especially as Calley was made a scapegoat for his equally guilty superiors. But war between two armed forces is a fight, not people murdering each other. If it was purely murder, the war crime trials of Nazi Germans could never of happened. You don't know very much about war, do you?
Zhukov's Greatest Defeat One of the least-known stories of World War II, Operation Mars was an epic military disaster. Designed to dislodge the German Army from its position west of Moscow, Mars cost the Soviets an estimated 335,000 dead, missing, and wounded men and over 1,600 tanks. But in Russian history books, it was a battle that never happened-a historical debacle sacrificed to Stalin's postwar censorship.[excerpt end] Heavy duty huh,... Parrot:Have the Kursk article at home in magazine,....found it on the net for ya's. WW-2 is amazing for technology advances, Germany achieved amazing things by way of technology,...and yet were dumb to obvious strategic thinking,...like why don't we build a long range 4 engine bomber?
Just remember the truth about ALL competent military organizations through out ALL of human history. ALL competent military organizations are always ready to fight the LAST WAR.
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Aint that the truth. Babylon had a powerfull Army with far reaching intelligence in the field[supposedly] The United States should not be reducing its Nuclear arsenal in the face of China's military prowess increase,...and Russia's continued secrecy in the form of access/verification of existing nuke arsenal and fabrication facilties.
Hey, just had to run this by you... I spent a morning on ancestry.com today and found ancestors that I had no idea about, who fought in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, and the Civil War, on the Confederate side. I have copies of Revolutionary War, hand written discharge papers for a couple of my ancestors now. Photos, Census documents, etc. Very cool stuff. Some were 'Morgan's Raiders' in the Civil War. I had no idea. It was very cool, for me, to find that out.
That would seem OBVIOUS to me also. But the enemy is inside the wire, in fact, the enemy is running the nation at this moment.
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Some were 'Morgan's Raiders' in the Civil War. I had no idea. It was very cool, for me, to find that out. Awesome! Watching movies and historic programs will magnify the discoveries. and.... Git yur head down Reb!
That is very kewl information! It is important to know what your family history is. Not to mention interesting. But no matter what, "KEWL"!
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I cannot tell you how exciting it was for me to find that stuff out. I did it all in one morning, for free. But, it's so cool, I'm going to pay the fee after the 2 week free trial just to keep digging and see what else I'll find.
LOL!
I did it all in one morning, for free. But, it's so cool, I'm going to pay the fee after the 2 week free trial just to keep digging and see what else I'll find. Back in 92,...went to the National Archives to look up Family after appointments with Navy Dept on USS Isherwood DD-520. Dedicated websites for units exist on the net,....and in some cases,...re enactment groups.
One of my ancestors, for some reason, had to write out in his own hand, his experiences, duties, whereabouts in the Revolutionary War when he filed for a pension. He had to have 3 people who either served with him or friends who could vouch for his service. It's a very interesting read. How he got separated from his command and fell in with another unit. Battles he fought in, where at, when he was on guard duty, etc. Extremely interesting read. He got grazed by a round, in the neck, but there were no doctors to help, so he wrapped up the wound as best he could and went about his business. Has was given a discharge by a Major, after his Captain and most of his unit were killed in a battle, but he didn't know why. He knew the war wasn't over, so he ignored it. Crazy stuff. He actually had 2 hand written discharges, and ignored the first. The 2nd came after the war was over. I now have copies of his pension request with his hand written accounts, and both discharges.
You talk a big talk about the problems with the socialist infestation, but do you actually walk the walk ? And why do you support the zionist stooge Palin is ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.61;52;Samuel Adams Nice tagline.
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke -- Thank you. And you do a good job letting the socialist vermin here know their place.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.61;52;Samuel Adams Why do you suck lib dick, Rotara?
I try. Sometimes I'll say something wildly NON-PC, just to watch 'em go into a hysterical fit... GREAT fun!
"There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." -- go65, LF's answer to Ben Bernanke -- And why do you support the zionist stooge Palin is? LOL! Hey shithead, calling Governor Palin a "zionist stooge" shows everyone here who and WHAT you are Sturmmann. Go FUCK yourself creep.
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Why do you have "if you are Jewish, stick it here" tattooed above your anus ? Yukon of LP, you are a waste of oxygen.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.61;52;Samuel Adams If she is not, why does she wear this pin?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.61;52;Samuel Adams From what I understand, that was SOP for trying to get a military pension in the US up until WW2. They are always pretty interesting reads. WW1 and the so called "bonus marchers" of the 30's convinced the WAR department that they better have a system in place to take care of returning vets of WW2 or face REAL trouble. That's where the VA and benefits came from. Not from the goodness of the gooberment. They saw what happened after WW1, and they were afraid of worse after WW2 finally ended.
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Yukon of LP, you are a waste of oxygen. You must dream of kissing it, faggot. It appears you have been oxygen deprived.
Its awesome to touch history in a manner more exact than removed accounts on a typeset book.
I don't know asswipe. I also don't care. Of course I'm not a slack jawed drooling neo-NAZI JEW hater like you are fuckwad. She sure isn't a "zionist stooge". Unlike you, who certainly is a libTURD demonRAT stooge. How about you give us all a rousing rendition of "Horst Wessel Lied" sturmmann?
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LOL! One of your favorite terms of late, both here and at LP.
On the bucket list.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/sarah_palin_and_israel.html Note to moonbats: Governor Palin has full-size American and Alaskan flags in floor stands. Don't start with the Israel-first nonsense. She is a woman who appears to understand the stakes and supports Israel because it is good for America and good for the world.
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Could it happen again,....this time via China?
#2. To: Parrot with speed dial (#1)
#3. To: Mad Dog (#2)
Sparta resisted the Banker extortion of Athens,...so they were attacked.
The Banker/Elite/Preist class seek control,...and when resisted,...conspire.
#4. To: Parrot with speed dial (#3)
If you actually get to live your life out without a Banker war engulfing your nation,...you've indeed lived a blessed life : )
#5. To: Mad Dog (#4)
WAR always has been, and likely always will be, "good" business.
around 18 KIA,...a few were officers..1 Leut General.
excerpt:
There quite a number of burials of men from the Manchester Regiment who died on the 6th of February 1916, including Lieutenant Thomas Murdoch aged 20 from County Antrim. Several men from Tunnelling Companies are also buried here, and one can reflect on the particular bravery it took to dig underground with the constant threat of the enemy blowing a counter-charge, or the tunnel collapsing, and thus those trapped being literally buried alive. For example there is Second Lieutenant Norman Isherwood of the 174th Tunnelling Company. His headstone bears the insignia of the Royal Engineers. He was 22 when he was killed in action on the 8th of October 1915.[End excerpt] One flew in the British air corp,....do not have a unit number to follow up on.
#6. To: Mad Dog (#4)
and yet....the battles whichground down to these defined zones where just about everyone in it gets slaughtered.
excerpt:
Konev ordered his armor to attack on a broad front, converging into a spearhead and then swinging around the left flank of the German defenders. On April 8, after several smaller encounters, the Soviet armor proved inadequate, even with infantry support. German defenders from a mixed bag of units were armed with stockpiles of Panzerfaust anti-tank weapons. They also had many tank destroyers, rocket launchers and carefully prepared minefields. Most important of all, they had nothing to lose.
Then Uncle Joe made a race of it for Berlin....those 2 Russian Generals just shoved the boys in like cordwood in a race to impress the boss.
#7. To: Parrot with speed dial (#6)
#8. To: Mad Dog (#7)
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"WAR is murder plain and simple, he who murders best WINS."
#9. To: Mad Dog (#4)
"TEN months of fighting in an area of only ten square kilometers. Total, (German and French), casualties about 1 1/2 MILLION, half that, about 3/4 of a MILLION, men DEAD."
#10. To: Mad Dog (#7)
French military casualties at Verdun, in 1916, are recorded as: 371,000 men including 60,000 killed, 101,000 missing and 210,000 wounded. Total German casualties at Verdun, between February and December 1916, are recorded as 337,000 men. The statistics also confirm that at least 70% of the Verdun casualties on both sides were the result of artillery fire. The shell consumption by French artillery at Verdun, between 21 February and 30 September at Verdun, totalled 23.5 million rounds. Most of them (16 million shells) were fired by the French 75 batteries which lined up about 1000 guns (250 batteries) on the battlefield. German sources document that their own artillery, mostly heavy and super heavy, fired off over 21 million shells from February to September 1916 only.
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
#12. To: Mad Dog, Ferret Mike (#11)
WAR is the natural state of all life, but it is HUMANITY which has made a serious science of it.
#13. To: Godwinson (#12)
#14. To: Mad Dog (#13)
#15. To: Mad Dog (#11)
#16. To: Mad Dog, Ferret Mike (#7)
Think about the slaughter at KURSK.
The Red Army's Epic Disaster in Operation Mars, 1942-David M. Glantz
Battle of Kursk: Germany's Lost Victory in World War II
Very good coverage/details.
Russian early T-34 kicks Reichs ass,....Reich makes Panther V ,....then Russia does a T-34 with an 85mm gun.
Panther was rushed in for Kursk and had teething problems.
They never really did get things squared away with that tank,..not to mention the sabotage that sometimes occured as slaves were forced to build them.
Its gun,...a 75mm high velocity was better than the Tiger I's 88mm.
lanced thru a Sherman from long range.
The Shermans new 76mm was still poor,...could only penetrate Panther V's side,...which was really bad design in mm thickness.
Germany was short of tungsten used in core's for tank rounds.
US were able to field more tungsten core muni's which were rushed in fall of 44.
So ya,...the German round was high velocity,...better penetration and it had secondary explosive effect after penetration.
Shermans did burn because of the gas engine,...but it was discovered that the German tank rounds which penetrated lit up the ammo so quickly ,..the ammo's propellant burned.
Then one Smart German figured the Panther V would make a great self propelled gun,....the Jagdpanther.
This had far less troubles than Panther V.
well they did,....some...
They could have had air operations to the east with 4 engine bombers like the allies.
and seeing that Germany was using thermobaric muni's....you have to wonder if Russia would have won in the east vs a Germany with massed air bombing as the west had.
#17. To: Parrot with speed dial (#16)
#18. To: Mad Dog (#17)
ALL competent military organizations are always ready to fight the LAST WAR.
The Medo Persians rolled over them while Babylon was partying in their self confidence.
The Medo Persain army was a collective of nations
For Babylon to not notice these armies marching towards them is amazing.
Before the Medo- Persians rushed inside the great city,...it was an epic intelligence/preparedness failure.
#19. To: Mad Dog (#17)
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#20. To: Parrot with speed dial (#18)
The United States should not be reducing its Nuclear arsenal in the face of China's military prowess increase,...and Russia's continued secrecy in the form of access/verification of existing nuke arsenal and fabrication facilties.
#21. To: We The People (#19)
I spent a morning on ancestry.com today and found ancestors that I had no idea about, who fought in the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, and the Civil War, on the Confederate side. I have copies of Revolutionary War, hand written discharge papers for a couple of my ancestors now. Photos, Census documents, etc. Very cool stuff.
#22. To: We The People (#19)
#23. To: Mad Dog, Parrot with speed dial (#22)
#24. To: Parrot with speed dial (#21)
Git yur head down Reb!
#25. To: We The People (#23)
I cannot tell you how exciting it was for me to find that stuff out.
Back then,....it was micro fiche readers and card catalogue.
some indexing books.
Was amazed to find State muster in records with regiment companys for 13 individuals.
My local University had the Governments records for the Civil war in the series _
Official Records of the War of the Rebellion.
Indexed,...you could follow a units movements and develop a picture of what participation they experienced.
Lists out the Confederate state units they were against in the field.
Its a resource which works for both sides as history research goes.
#26. To: Parrot with speed dial, Mad Dog (#25)
you could follow a units movements and develop a picture of what participation they experienced.
#27. To: Mad Dog (#20)
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#28. To: Rotara (#27)
#29. To: Capitalist Eric (#28)
#30. To: Rotara (#27)
why do you support the zionist stooge Palin
#31. To: Rotara (#29)
#32. To: Rotara (#27)
You talk a big talk about the problems with the socialist infestation, but do you actually walk the walk?
#33. To: Ibluafartsky (#30)
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#34. To: Mad Dog (#32)
#35. To: We The People, Parrot with speed dial (#26)
One of my ancestors, for some reason, had to write out in his own hand, his experiences, duties, whereabouts in the Revolutionary War when he filed for a pension. He had to have 3 people who either served with him or friends who could vouch for his service.
#36. To: Rotara (#33)
tattooed above your anus?
#37. To: We The People, Mad Dog (#26)
One of my ancestors, for some reason, had to write out in his own hand, his experiences, duties, whereabouts in the Revolutionary War when he filed for a pension. He had to have 3 people who either served with him or friends who could vouch for his service. It's a very interesting read.
Having an item,...like a Belt buckel,sword,cap etc....thats almost haunting : )
There's some great Then and now photo series on the net.
Most are WW-2...but there are series for several of Americas wars at home.
In some cases,....the actual buildings and streets have changed little save for new paint and rebuilt property.
I visited Yorktown on my way down to Norfolk Naval Base.
I was wow'd,
There is Canon, mortars,.....burms,...houses,....from when Cornwallis surrendered.
down the road inside parkway is a civil war cemetary....low brick wall.
2 wars ran over that ground.......Sacred Ground.
#38. To: Rotara (#34)
#39. To: Ibluafartsky (#36)
oxygen deprived
#40. To: Parrot with speed dial (#37)
I visited Yorktown on my way down to Norfolk Naval Base. I was wow'd, There is Canon, mortars,.....burms,...houses,....from when Cornwallis surrendered.
#41. To: Rotara, Mad Dog, All (#34)
If she is not, why does she wear this pin?
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