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Title: Watch Tea Party Favorite GOP Prez Hopeful Herman Cain Battle Bill Clinton on Health Care
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The Atlantic
URL Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics ... -clinton-on-health-care/69683/
Published: Jan 19, 2011
Author: Joshua Green
Post Date: 2011-01-19 17:05:49 by Happy Quanzaa
Keywords: ObamaCare Kills
Views: 19665
Comments: 31
In my short profile of Herman Cain, the Tea Party favorite and GOP presidential hopeful, I mentioned his auspicious debut on the national political stage. It came in 1994, when Cain was CEO of Godfather's Pizza and challenged Bill Clinton at a nationally televised town hall meeting supposed to shore up support for Clinton's flagging health care plan. (It didn't.) As I say in the piece, this strikes me as an enormously valuable thing for someone seeking GOP support in 2011, since health care will be a central issue in the Republican primaries. Today, every Republican is critical of the Democratic health care plan. But Cain was fighting the Democratic health care plan 17 years ago! That counts for a lot. Especially when the presumed GOP favorite, Mitt Romney, was, at that very same time, doing his best to outflank Ted Kennedy to the left on the question of who was more vehemently pro choice. The video of Cain's classic confrontation with Clinton was harder to turn up than I expected. But I finally got a copy, uploaded it, and it certainly lives up to billing. If this video goes viral among conservative activists, Cain's candidacy will be even more interesting to watch:
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#1. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
The Democratic health care plan 17 years ago was very different from the ACA, the ACA is much closer to the alternative Republican plan proposed in 1993. See: http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Graphics/2010/022310-Bill-comparison.aspx
True. THIS one flatly states, we'll have death panels. The socialist attitude is, "when we feel you are no longer 'contributing' to society, then we'll just pull the plug." You must be SO proud of oBUMa... he's your savior, yes...? "CHAINS we can believe in..."
As I've said before, no facts, just propaganda repeated endlessly for the mindless.
I think by this definition the cuts to organ transplant programs for the poor in Arizona are "socialist", right?
The fact that Arizona has a transplant program for the poor is socialist. Ending the program would be an affirmation of the most holy workings of the free market, blessings be upon its profit.
right, it's darwinian, kill off the poor and only the rich will be left.
Stick to the facts. Check your uncontrollable emotional outbursts at the door, and maybe people will take you seriously (MAYBE).
The Reagan years and the rocketing stock market of the nineties convinced most Americans they were rich people waiting to happen. They became too proud, Ames says, to identify themselves as the working people they remained in the interim. But those who are old enough to remember Reagan’s first term can’t help but feel the sting of Ames’s coup de grace at some level. “When Reagan fired the striking air traffic controllers in 1981,” he asserts, “he told America he was literally willing to kill us all [in plane crashes, presumably] if we didn’t give in to his wealth-transfer plan….The air controller’s union broke — and so did a whole way of life.” But it’s hard not to agree with Ames that failing to address the structural issues of, no, not society — but the economy — will continue to impose intolerable strains on Americans. As long as the gap between the rich and the rest of us continues to widen, social shootings will remain the meltdown of choice for many. Just like suicide bombings in the Middle East.
Not worth reading. We haven't had a Laissez-Faire capitalist system in the USA for ~150 years. In the last 97 years, it has been a highly managed economic system. And due to its mismanagement, it is now imploding. Nice try. 8^)
And due to its mismanagement, it is now imploding. So Laissez-Faire Capitalism does not work and has not for 150 years........ So why would you want to return to an unworkable and antique system?
That's NOT what I said. Care to try again, or do I just bozo you now?
What other country has Laissez-Faire capitalist system with no govt oversight? Haiti? Somalia? If Laissez-Faire capitalist system works why was it not used for 97 years as envisioned? That is about as long as communism was around as a system and but collapsed also - Hey wait! You sound just like a Marxist who argues that the USSR was not really Marxist so you can't really claim Marxism failed!! LOL!!! It's funny when a Capitalist is using Marxist arguments for why their system had nearly a century to get it to work but could not.
You try to twist statements to fit your agenda. I state facts, and you try to derail the thread, by throwing shit, and watching to see what sticks. You play a shallow game. And worst of all, you BORE me. Bye, boring bozo.
Lol as soon as you sense you're losing, you bozo. Idiot
I've no problem with an honest debate. I tend to reserve opinions to areas I have enough knowledge of, to make an opinion. This is why you'll never see me comment on threads of bible study, cult watch, sports, computers/hacking, etc. Were I to jump into those threads, and talking a bunch of shit, it wouldn't be an honest debate, it would be an exercise in disruption or (worst case) propaganda. Understanding that- and then seeing others do this, with the purpose of being a disruptor- is not engaging in honest discussion. For such people, who have such miserable, pathetic lives that their only means of satisfaction is through annoying others (kinda' like the brow-beaten husband kicking the dog), I have absolutely no sympathy and no patience for. THIS dog can make them disappear. I don't have to bare my teeth (like that would matter on an internet forum)... I have the option to simply make them irrelevant. Your point was, "as soon as you sense you're losing, you bozo." The reality is, in internet arguments, NOBODY wins. But were I to allow myself to be pulled into their game, I would most certainly lose. When they attempt to start the internet argument, they are the ones who lose. A picture demonstrates the point clearly: A fine distinction, and one that probably escapes your understanding... But I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
If you feel the need to respond to my accurate observations please keep your replies to 10 words or fewer. Always remember and never forget, you live to amuse me.
#30. To: Abu el Banat (#29)
Why? Do your lips get tired so fast, when you read?
Happy to amuse you. If facts are amusing, then we're good. If you want to start flame-fests for your amusement, I'll be happy to disappoint you. Now piss off.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBut Cain was fighting the Democratic health care plan 17 years ago!
#2. To: go65 (#1)
The Democratic health care plan 17 years ago was very different from the ACA.
#3. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
The socialist attitude is, "when we feel you are no longer 'contributing' to society, then we'll just pull the plug."
#6. To: lucysmom (#3)
As I've said before, no facts, just propaganda repeated endlessly for the mindless.
#8. To: go65 (#6)
I think by this definition the cuts to organ transplant programs for the poor in Arizona are "socialist", right?
#9. To: lucysmom (#8)
The fact that Arizona has a transplant program for the poor is socialist. Ending the program would be an affirmation of the most holy workings of the free market, blessings be upon its profit.
#11. To: go65, lucysmom (#9)
#12. To: Capitalist Eric, go65, lucysmom (#11)
"Going Postal" as modern-day slave rebellions by the hopeless
#14. To: Godwinson (#12)
Laissez-Faire Capitalism Has Failed: The financial crisis lays bare the weakness of the Anglo-Saxon model
#16. To: Capitalist Eric (#14)
We haven't had a Laissez-Faire capitalist system in the USA for ~150 years. In the last 97 years, it has been a highly managed economic system.
#17. To: Godwinson (#16)
So Laissez-Faire Capitalism does not work and has not for 150 years........
#18. To: Capitalist Eric, Go65, lucysmom (#17)
We haven't had a Laissez-Faire capitalist system in the USA for ~150 years. In the last 97 years, it has been a highly managed economic system.
#19. To: Godwinson (#18)
#25. To: Capitalist Eric (#19)
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#27. To: Abu el Banat (#25)
Lol as soon as you sense you're losing, you bozo.
#29. To: Capitalist Eric (#27)
Replies to Comment # 29. If you feel the need to respond to my accurate observations please keep your replies to 10 words or fewer.
#31. To: Abu el Banat (#29)
Always remember and never forget, you live to amuse me.
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