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Title: Chuck Norris: Obamacare's Baby Death Panels
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Published: Jan 18, 2011
Author: Chuck Norris
Post Date: 2011-01-18 14:35:43 by no gnu taxes
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I finished Part 1 last week informing you that in just a single year, from 2008-09, Planned Parenthood received $363.2 million in government grants and contracts, a $13.6 million increase from the previous year, which resulted in 324,800 abortions.

I then left you to ponder this question, which Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, asked more than a year ago: "Why should people of conscience be forced to participate in any aspect of abortion?"

That is exactly where Washington is leading us unless this 112th Congress detours from forcing pro-life citizens to pay for abortions via Obamacare or the passing of some legislation like the Freedom of Choice Act.

Thank God the pro-life cavalry has come to Washington. But it needs our help to rally our representatives.

Given that the 112th Congress is the most pro-life Congress in recent history, now is the time to act and stop government subsidies killing innocent unborn life. I'd even challenge tea parties across our country to fight for the unborn as hard as we do for fiscal frugalness and the Constitution.

In our passionate pursuit to cure our economy, are we abandoning those who one day will run it? We must fight equally for freedom fighters within the womb and those outside of it. Abortion isn't health care!

In 1983, President Ronald Reagan issued a proclamation establishing National Sanctity of Human Life Day, which also was issued by Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. It is held on the Sunday in January that falls closest to the day (Jan. 22) on which the Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton decisions were handed down by the Supreme Court in 1973.

This year, tens of millions will commemorate another Sanctity of Human Life Sunday (Jan. 23) in tens of thousands of churches across America. If you want to make a difference this year, here are eight excellent action items:

--Encourage your church's leaders to join the throng of others in commemorating Sanctity of Human Life Sunday. Send them this article, along with your thoughts and the contact information for the official Sanctity of Human Life Sunday website (http://www.sohls.org, 205-979-7909), so they can find out different ways they can highlight the fight for life on Jan. 23.

--Sign the Family Research Council's latest petition to Congress. Go to http://www.frc.org, and click on "action." Then click on "Help American taxpayers get out of the abortion business."

--Personally contact your representative and senators at 202-224-3121 or http://www.house.gov and http://www.senate.gov, and then contact the White House (202-456-2111, fax: 202-456-2461). Tell them that as an American citizen, you demand them to fight for the rights of the unborn. Ask them to join Rep. Joseph Pitts, R-Pa., and Rep. Daniel Lipinski, D-Ill., in their legislation, the Protect Life Act, Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., in his reintroduction of the Title X Abortion Provider Prohibition Act, as well as Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., and Lipinski in their reintroduction of the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act.

--Oppose the work and government financing of Planned Parenthood, which has just filed a restraining order trying to keep you from discovering information from a former Planned Parenthood director (Bryan, Texas) and "Employee of the Year," Abby Johnson. There's no doubt why; Abby already has helped to expose the multibillion-dollar marketing of abortion, in the fifth episode of the Emmy-winning series "Facing Life Head-On," available to watch online. She also is blowing the whistle on her former employer and telling the shocking truth about everything that she saw inside the abortion industry -- and why she resigned her job to join the pro-life movement -- in her brand-new book, "Unplanned." (You can get a free chapter of it at http://UnplannedWebcast.com.)

--Join the 40 Days for Life campaign at http://40DaysForLife.com. It runs from March 9 to April 17.

--Read the article "50 Ways To Help Unborn Babies and Their Mothers," by my friend and prolific author Randy Alcorn. It's one of a host of great resources at his website, http://www.epm.org.

--Get involved supporting and fighting for the future generations in your local community -- for example, in your schools, in your churches or through nonprofit children's foundations, such as mine, KickStart Kids.

--And to give you hope, my wife, Gena, and I would also encourage you to visit the website http://www.IAmSecond.com, started by our dear friends Norm and Anne Miller. In particular, please listen there to the powerful testimony of Lisa Luby Ryan. It is well worth the short time it takes to view.

Washington and America don't need to "turn the page" on culture wars such as abortion. Rather, we need to reopen the pages of our history to our Founders' elevated views of and rights for all human beings (including those in the womb), as documented in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. We need to revive and re-instill their value of humanity back into society, our children and our children's children.

Fifty-six Founders signed the Declaration of Independence to testify that all human life is "created equal, that (all humans) are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed."

That is exactly why Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1809 at the end of his presidency, "The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government."

Washington, could wording be any clearer?

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government."

So why do you and your fellow teabagging scum want to revoke access to health care insurance from those who will finally be able to get it?

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-18   14:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Brian S will be coming along shortly, to tell you "it's all good."

In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --

ME: Thanks for admitting that you ARE trying to spin this (AZ shooting, and terrorism) onto Palin, and conservatives in general.
Brian S(ocialist): I have never hidden that fact...

ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.

Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-18   15:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Skip Intro (#1)

So why do you and your fellow teabagging scum want to revoke access to health care insurance

- Almost everyone already has access

-Anybody who needs emergency care can ALWAYS receive it.

- Why fuck up the whole health care system when it is not necessary

And what does you sexual perversions have to do with this?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-18   16:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#3)

Almost everyone already has access

-Anybody who needs emergency care can ALWAYS receive it.

Except your way I get to pay for it by having my premiums increased to cover you deadbeats.

Sorry, the current system sucks.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-18   16:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: no gnu taxes, Skip Intro (#3)

Because it's about control, not heath care. The fascists in Washington want to control the health care industry/big pharmaceutical industry. Skippy is a mouthpiece for American Fascism.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-18   16:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Skip Intro (#4)

Except your way I get to pay for it by having my premiums increased to cover you deadbeats.

Sorry, the current system sucks.

"[i]t is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance."
-- Murray Rothbard --

In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --

ME: Thanks for admitting that you ARE trying to spin this (AZ shooting, and terrorism) onto Palin, and conservatives in general.
Brian S(ocialist): I have never hidden that fact...

ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.

Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-18   16:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Skip Intro (#4)

Except your way I get to pay for it by having my premiums increased to cover you deadbeats.

I guess you're going to love when your premiums triple as people with pre-existing conditions decide to move into the system after never having paid a single dime.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-18   16:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: no gnu taxes (#3)

- Almost everyone already has access

Except of course for folks like those in Arizona who recently died because they couldn't afford transplants.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-18   16:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#3)

-Anybody who needs emergency care can ALWAYS receive it.

Which raises the cost for everyone else.

Why do you favor this?

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-18   16:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

I guess you're going to love when your premiums triple as people with pre-existing conditions decide to move into the system after never having paid a single dime.

You love it when you have to pay higher medical costs to cover emergency care for the uninsured. So given you and Skip both agree that those who can afford care should subsidize those who can't, why don't we move on to debating the best way to provide that care?

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-18   16:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rudgear (#5)

Because it's about control, not heath care. The fascists in Washington want to control the health care industry/big pharmaceutical industry. Skippy is a mouthpiece for American Fascism.

So apparently is the Heritage Foundation.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-18   16:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: go65 (#11)

If that's true, the Heritage Foundation is wrong, too. Easy call when you have values.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-18   17:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Rudgear (#12)

If that's true, the Heritage Foundation is wrong, too. Easy call when you have values.

The reality is that much of the ACA has conservative/Republican origins, it's a far cry from the Clinton bill of the early 1990's.

At this point the only thing Conservatives appear to be for is opposing anything Obama supports. Meanwhile you've got folks in this very thread arguing that the poor can simply go to emergency rooms for their care, oblivious to the fact that having them do so pushes the costs onto the rest of us.

Until I hear Conservatives openly argue that those without insurance or means to pay should be denied access to care, they are hypocrites.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-18   17:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#13)

There is nothing wrong in opposing what a socialistcommunist president puts forth. It is antithetical to what this country is about.

Nobody is denied medical care. Most of the budget for covering uninsured or those who do not make enough to cover expenses need only look at the illegal Mexican community. They flood waiting rooms and consume the wealth of this nation that belong only to the American people. Both parties, but mostly the Democrats are responsible for this disgraceful situation, born of a despicable desire to cater to those who cannot legally vote in the first place.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-18   17:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

I guess you're going to love when your premiums triple as people with pre-existing conditions decide to move into the system after never having paid a single dime.

That's total bullshit. I've got pre-existing conditions, so I'm already paying the maximum rate. Getting more people to pay to carry the load isn't going to make it more expensive, since these people are already being subsidized by me.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-18   18:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: go65 (#9)

Which raises the cost for everyone else.

Why do you favor this?

Because this is an example of Good Socialism. Bad Socialism is expecting everybody to pay their own way.

I wonder what a real conservative would think of this argument? We'll never know, because all the real conservatives are dead.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-18   18:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

I guess you're going to love when your premiums triple as people with pre-existing conditions decide to move into the system after never having paid a single dime.

You make the mistake of thinking socialists care about economics.

They don't.

In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --

ME: Thanks for admitting that you ARE trying to spin this (AZ shooting, and terrorism) onto Palin, and conservatives in general.
Brian S(ocialist): I have never hidden that fact...

ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.

Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-18   18:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Skip Intro (#15)

I've got pre-existing conditions, so I'm already paying the maximum rate.

So this all about you trying to get some freebies?

Aint gonna happen dumbass.

How you gonna get money from some malt liquor swilling deadbeat when all he neesds to do is to show up for some free treatment should he have a pre-existing condition?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-18   19:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: no gnu taxes (#18)

So this all about you trying to get some freebies?

Freebies? Are you trying to be funny?

I pay over $1000 per month for a high deductible policy and you say I want freebies?

No, dumbshit, it's the system you support, the one that allows people to stiff doctors and hospitals that provides the freebies.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-18   19:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Skip Intro (#19)

No, dumbshit, it's the system you support, the one that allows people to stiff doctors and hospitals that provides the freebies.

And you think that's all gonna end?

So fucking naive.

The same people who scam the system will do it 10 fold. Where do you think all this extra money is supposed to magically come from?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-18   19:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: no gnu taxes (#20)

Before I waste any more time on this, tell me something. Do you pay for your own health insurance? I mean you, personally, not your employer.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-18   19:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Skip Intro (#21)

Before I waste any more time on this, tell me something. Do you pay for your own health insurance? I mean you, personally, not your employer.

They would pay for me personally, but I pay more than $500 a month for my wife and daughter.

Sure to go up with Kenyancare.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-18   20:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: no gnu taxes (#22)

Sure to go up with Kenyancare.

OK, why not show some balls? Give up your employer sponsored plan and go try to get insurance on your own. I did. Surely you're better than a commie-lib like me.

After you do that we can talk about the "evils" of requiring insurance companies to insure people regardless of pre-existing conditions. You might be amazed at what type of pre-existing condition will disqualify you from buying in the "free market" at any price.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-18   20:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: no gnu taxes (#22)

They would pay for me personally, but I pay more than $500 a month for my wife and daughter.

A friend pays a thousand dollars a month just for her self - she's self employed.

Pre-existing conditions make me uninsurable.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-18   20:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#0)

Chuck Norris doesn't have teeth. His mouth is actually full of smaller Chuck Norris's, capable of biting through several parking meters simultaneously.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-18   20:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Skip Intro (#23)

I know all about pre-existing conditions.

We payed $40,000 out of pocket for my wife's pregnancy even as social service agencies were lining up to coerce us into finding a way to fleece the government.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-18   20:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Skip Intro, no gnu taxes, (#15) (Edited)

That's total bullshit. I've got pre-existing conditions, so I'm already paying the maximum rate. Getting more people to pay to carry the load isn't going to make it more expensive, since these people are already being subsidized by me.

He does have a point - the fatal flaw in the individual mandate is that for many, it's cheaper to pay the fine then to buy insurance. Why carry insurance until you actually need it? That raises the cost for the rest of the population since there are less people in the insurance pool. It's why a single-payer system was a far better option than a RomneyCare style solution. But Obama went with the Republican/Conservative approach instead of the liberal one.

Heritage Foundation on the Individual Mandate:

“Not an unreasonable position, and one that is clearly consistent with conservative values.” [Heritage, 1/28/06]

I will tell you both that the main reason why I support Obamacare is because it ended the practice of rescission whereby an insurance company could arbitrarily cancel your policy because you didn't provide a fully accurate health history - leading to scenarios where someone with a rare form of cancer lost their coverage because they didn't report that they once fainted 20 years ago.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-18   21:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rudgear (#14) (Edited)

There is nothing wrong in opposing what a socialistcommunist president puts forth. It is antithetical to what this country is about.

Even when he puts forward Conservative ideas?

Nobody is denied medical care.

2nd person denied Arizona transplant coverage dies

Most of the budget for covering uninsured or those who do not make enough to cover expenses need only look at the illegal Mexican community. They flood waiting rooms and consume the wealth of this nation that belong only to the American people. Both parties, but mostly the Democrats are responsible for this disgraceful situation, born of a despicable desire to cater to those who cannot legally vote in the first place.

Another myth:

REALITY: Immigrants are not the primary factor driving the uninsured problem or rising health care costs. As the Kaiser Family Foundation points out, while “non-citizens are much more likely to be uninsured than citizens” because of limited access to employer based health care coverage and restrictions for public coverage, citizens still make up “the bulk of the uninsured.” The majority (76%- 80%) of the growth in the number of uninsured from 2000 to 2006 occurred among citizens, not legal and undocumented non-citizens. Moreover, because non-citizens are much less likely than citizens to have a usual source of care, they have significantly lower per capita health care expenditures than citizens and also “generally restricted from enrolling in Medicaid and SCHIP.” [Kaiser Family Foundation, 3/11/2008]

Like a good Republican foot soldier, you keep postulating arguments that aren't based on anything more than what you hear from right- wing talking heads.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-18   21:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: go65 (#13)

At this point the only thing Conservatives appear to be for is opposing anything Obama supports.

That's because oBUMa is pushing policies that are DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY!!!

And you LOVE it.

In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --

ME: Thanks for admitting that you ARE trying to spin this (AZ shooting, and terrorism) onto Palin, and conservatives in general.
Brian S(ocialist): I have never hidden that fact...

ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.

Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-18   21:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)

it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance

lol, hey, Murray's talking about you. You must be so proud!!

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-01-18   22:56:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Abu el Banat (#30) (Edited)

You're a moron. Your screen-name fits you perfectly.

In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --

ME: Thanks for admitting that you ARE trying to spin this (AZ shooting, and terrorism) onto Palin, and conservatives in general.
Brian S(ocialist): I have never hidden that fact...

ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.

Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-19   1:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: go65 (#27)

He does have a point - the fatal flaw in the individual mandate is that for many, it's cheaper to pay the fine then to buy insurance. Why carry insurance until you actually need it? That raises the cost for the rest of the population since there are less people in the insurance pool.

Oooh..... A moment, where our resident socialist seems to be getting an INKLING of economics....

But Obama went with the Republican/Conservative approach instead of the liberal one.

And then the moment is lost. How typical.

In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --

ME: Thanks for admitting that you ARE trying to spin this (AZ shooting, and terrorism) onto Palin, and conservatives in general.
Brian S(ocialist): I have never hidden that fact...

ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.

Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-19   1:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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