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Title: Jeb Bush: GOP needs to reach out to Latinos now
Source: Associated Press
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Published: Jan 13, 2011
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2011-01-13 21:16:58 by Brian S
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MIAMI (AP) -- Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush told a Republican gathering Thursday evening that the time is now to connect better with Latino voters, not two months before the general election.

Bush is co-chairing a conference Friday of the new Hispanic Action Network, part of the GOP's latest efforts to forge ties with the growing number of Latino voters. The conference will focus on trade, immigration, media outreach and education.

"Typically what happens in politics is you're working hard and you say, 'Oh gosh, we better start working at campaigning in the Hispanic community,' and it's like Sept. 15," he told the crowd at the elegant Biltmore Hotel in the Miami suburb of Coral Gables. "This is not about politics. This is about the conservative cause. If you look over the horizon over the next 10 or 20 years...without an active involvement of Hispanics, we will not be the governing philosophy."

The Hispanic Action Network is backed by former Minnesota Sen. Norm Coleman, whose American Action Network funneled more than $30 million in campaign funds to Republicans in about 30 congressional races last year.

With the Latino population growing in swing states such as Nevada, Colorado and Florida, Republicans need to chip away at Hispanics' overall 2-1 preference for Democrats to have any hope of capturing the presidency.

Democrats are confident their party's efforts on health care, education and the economy will continue to appeal to Hispanic voters, whom they believe have been turned off by Republican campaign attacks on illegal immigrants.

But Bush and other Republicans have long maintained their party is a natural fit for Hispanics, particularly recent immigrants. They cite the party's social conservatism, anti-abortion stance and support for private school vouchers and lower taxes. Voters last year elected several Latino Republicans to prominent posts, including U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez.

Bush's group is not the only conservative organization focusing on Hispanic outreach.

House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a possible 2010 presidential candidate, announced a similar effort in Washington, D.C., last month with his Americanos group. The conservative Heritage Foundation also now has a Spanish Web site, Libertad.org. Meanwhile, Alfonso Aguilar, former President George W. Bush's first citizenship and immigration czar, runs the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles.

The former president, who is Jeb Bush's brother, had a stronger and more successful Hispanic outreach program than almost any other national Republican.

Jeb Bush, who is fluent in Spanish and met his Mexican-born wife Columba when he taught English in her homeland, said reaching out "is about more than running ads in the Spanish-language media. It's also about showing people you want them to be part of the effort, putting in the time even when people aren't looking." And, Bush added, "it means using rhetoric that doesn't turn people off."

He told The Associated Press "the more the merrier" as far as outreach programs go. Unlike Gingrich, Bush has ruled out running for president in 2012.

Of next year's crop of likely GOP presidential contenders, only former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty is scheduled to speak at the conference, where more than 600 are likely to attend.

But Republican groups have their work cut out for them following an election year in which Republican Senate candidate Sharon Angle of Nevada ran ads portraying illegal immigrants as thuggish gang members, and Hispanic voters overwhelmingly sided with Sen. Michael Bennet against Republican Ken Buck, a former county prosecutor who had tried to deport more illegal immigrants by seizing income-tax returns from accountants that catered to Spanish speakers. The plan was later thrown out by a court.

The House Republican leadership took a symbolic step toward bridging the gap with Latinos last week in bypassing Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa as the next chairman of the Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on immigration. King once suggested on the House floor that an electrified border fence would stop illegal immigrants, likening it to the practice used to corral livestock.

"Obviously there was a message sent with Steve King not being selected for chair," said Aguilar, who is attending the conference. "But now the question is beyond ending harsh rhetoric: Will they actively propose a conservative proposal that goes beyond border control and domestic enforcement to a temporary work status."

As president, George W. Bush unsuccessfully pushed for sweeping immigration reform. But so far, the only new Republican proposal on immigration has come from a group of state lawmakers who are hoping for a Supreme Court ruling that would end the granting of automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

Simon Rosenberg, head of the liberal-leaning NDN organization, applauded the efforts of Republicans such as Jeb Bush to reach Latinos.

"It would be bad for the Latino community to only have one political party working with them," he said.

But Rosenberg questioned the notion that Hispanics have more in common with conservatives, noting that many Hispanics lack health insurance and will benefit from the Democrats' recent health care overhaul.

He said the GOP needs more than improved outreach.

"There is a reactionary strain in the Republican Party that is angry about how the country is changing," he added, referring to the effects of immigration. "We are moving toward a majority nonwhite country. That is very difficult for some people to accept. And those people tend to be more Republican."

Bush and Gingrich support comprehensive immigration reform, but GOP leaders must still satisfy those who want to focus mainly on border security, including new Florida Gov. Rick Scott.

Scott was among the keynote speakers Thursday night. Other speakers include the co-chair, former Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, as well as Puerto Rican Gov. Luis Fortuno, former Colombian President Alvaro Uribe and Texas Sen. John Cornyn.

Coleman said he's proud of the diverse perspectives the conference will offer and hopes it leads to serious debate.

"So much of immigration is about tone," he said. Coleman added that Florida's Rubio and New Mexico's Martinez talk about immigration and border security "but in a tone that is helpful and respectful."

But neither Rubio nor Martinez will be at the conference, nor will newly elected Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval, another Hispanic GOP star. Coleman said both Sandoval and Martinez have just begun their jobs and couldn't get away. A spokesman for Rubio said the senator would be working on official business outside of South Florida but declined to provide details. Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade*

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

the time is now to connect better with Latino voters

Why? Most Latinos are the antithesis of conservatism.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   21:24:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ibluafartsky (#1)

"Most Latinos are the antithesis of conservatism"

Actually, many start out conservative and become disillusioned by the racism and xenophobia of right wing wing nuts like you and many others.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   21:33:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

many start out conservative

Who are you trying to bullshit. Did they sign a card as they illegally crossed the border?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   21:37:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ibluafartsky (#6)

"Who are you trying to bullshit."

Now you are projecting. I was in the U.S. Army and knew lots of conservative Latinos and Latinas. Not to mention, the largest demographic group of Medal of Honor winners are Latinos.

And I've paid attention to polls showing Latino and Latina support evaporate for conservatives when the pandered to the racist Minuteman movements and other groups trying to make them scapegoats for the way big business enticed people in the country to pit one work force against another in a Machiavellian grade attempt to get competition to lower wages.

You should read more, pitting lice off the ass of your pet moose is not doing it for you online.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   21:43:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

And I've paid attention to polls showing Latino and Latina support evaporate

What polls, mustelid?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   21:51:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ibluafartsky (#8)

Again, I am not going to do your work for you. Many polls in areas with large numbers of Latinos and Latinas for many different races have shown this tread take place over the years. They are easy to find, so stop being lazy.

If I find it easy to find them you should be able to to.

Your act here has traditionally been a lazy one liner per post run. Get off your ass and work for once.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   21:56:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

I am not going to do your work for you.

You make the claim you back it. Bullshit is cheap. That's why you shills spew it. I called your bluff and you piss and moan like elementary school kids.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   22:01:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ibluafartsky (#10)

The claim is well known, just as it is well known you are a lazy sewer who is a spewer of hateful one liners.

Prove it's false. If you want the consideration of me doing a search for easy to find material, stop being an anti-social dick and actually engage in political discourse.

You have not accrued enough good will to get anything else but the exhortation to 'prove it ain't so, Joe blow.'

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   22:06:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ferret Mike (#11)

The claim is well known,

So is your bullshit, mustelid, and that little weasel, is not a claim, but a FACT!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   22:24:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ibluafartsky (#12)

Do some work for yourself, lazy. ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   22:26:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

I called your bluff. You've got nothing but bullshit, leftard!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   22:29:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ibluafartsky (#14) (Edited)

For Republicans, the Ice Age Cometh

I found this with thirty seconds of effort. And that is with a tightly defined goal of getting an easy to comprehend piece that shows why the GOP is shooting itself in the foot by pandering to issues that evaporate any support from this particular demographic group.

It is just as easy to find specific polls that show a loss of Latino/Latina support by GOP candidates after they pander to the anti-Latino/Latina movements that piss this demographic group off.

Read it. It will give you the search word tools you need to find these polls if you have even an average skill using search tools on the Internet.

I'm still not going to do your work for you, but here is a bone, Yukie.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   22:39:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#15)

And that is with a tightly defined goal of getting an easy to comprehend piece that shows why the GOP is shooting itself in the foot by pandering to issues that evaporate any support from this particular demographic group.

You are so conditioned that you don't even understand that what you are REALLY saying is the "GOP is shooting itself in the foot by not throwing away traditional American values and surrendering to the wishes of foreign invaders."

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-14   9:38:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete, ferret mike (#24) (Edited)

ou are so conditioned that you don't even understand that what you are REALLY saying is the "GOP is shooting itself in the foot by not throwing away traditional American values and surrendering to the wishes of foreign invaders.

So "traditional American values" include giving police the power to ask people for their papers if they don't look white, deporting those who were born here, or breaking up families by deporting parents of citizens?

Where are you gathering these values from ?

go65  posted on  2011-01-14   9:44:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: go65 (#27)

"Where are you gathering these values from ?"

Really. My Dad was half Puerto Rican and was a Naval Aviator in WW II, I'm a quarter the same family heritage.

Hispanics have excellent values and make excellent citizens. There are always bad apples in the mix, but most people who have come here have contributed a great deal to the United States.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-14   16:50:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ferret Mike (#39)

There are always bad apples in the mix, but most people who have come here have contributed a great deal to the United States.

Socialists have contributed nothing but grief anywhere they go.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-14   20:19:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: sneakypete (#46)

Socialists have contributed nothing but grief anywhere they go.

You're a socialist?

meguro  posted on  2011-01-15   1:09:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: meguro (#47)

Socialists have contributed nothing but grief anywhere they go.

You're a socialist?

Of course not. I'm rational.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-15   1:23:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#48) (Edited)

But you contribute nothing but grief, just like a socialist, both at El Pee and here at El Pee Lite. :-)

I suspect that's also why you were banned from Bot Central (aka RimJob's playpen). :-)

meguro  posted on  2011-01-15   2:18:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: meguro (#49)

But you contribute nothing but grief, just like a socialist, both at El Pee and here at El Pee Lite. :-)

Yes,but I only bring grief to big-gubbermint socialist twits and their fascist RINO brothers.

I suspect that's also why you were banned from Bot Central (aka RimJob's playpen). :-)

Oh,yeah. In fact,I am the one that named it Bot Central.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-15   6:28:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: sneakypete (#50) (Edited)

Oh,yeah. In fact,I am the one that named it Bot Central.

No doubt while you were bored.

Is El Pee down again?

meguro  posted on  2011-01-15   9:32:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: meguro (#51)

Is El Pee down again?

BTW,this is the message I get when I try to go to LP's default page at http://liberty-post.com/.

LP may not just be down,it may be out.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Web Server's Default Page

This page is generated by Parallels Plesk Panel, the leading hosting automation software. You see this page because there is no Web site at this address.

You can do the following:

* Create domains and set up Web hosting using Parallels Plesk Panel.

For more information please contact @adminemail@.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-15   11:37:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#53)

I get a 404 Error and then my browser sends me to a seachAssist site:

Sorry,"www.libertypost.org" does not exist or is not available.

Please try your search again in the box below.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-01-15   11:54:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Fred Mertz (#54)

Sorry,"www.libertypost.org" does not exist or is not available.

Maybe Yu-Tard was finally successful,and LP is shut down forever?

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-15   14:08:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: sneakypete (#60)

LOL!

And here's another idiot...inciting others to commit terrorist acts, even though he claims to be a cop;

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GrandIsland: I dare you to grab one of those 2nd amendment items... And cast the 1st stone like you brag we should... Do it pussy... Or STFU.

69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/re...ArtNum=301610&Disp=27#C27

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Incitement is a crime that occurs when one person tries to motivate another to commit an offense. There are several ways that this may be done, including through inflammatory speeches and by using threats. The list of offenses that a person can be incited to commit is even longer, including acts such as terrorist attacks, rape, and theft. It should be understood that a person can be convicted of inciting others even if those individuals do not actually commit crimes.

At least two people must be involved for incitement to occur, the one who does the encouraging and the one who is encouraged. This does not mean that the crime is limited to such small numbers. Incitement can occur on massive scales. Inflammatory rallies or the distribution of instigating written materials are examples of how this is possible.

www.wisegeek.com/what-is-incitement.htm

That site is infested with loons. No way that idiot is a cop.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-15   15:54:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: We The People (#65)

No way that idiot is a cop.

He's almost a cop. No doubt he couldn't pass any sort of psychological test to become a real cop,so he is a campus cop. He let this slip a couple of days ago while bragging about killing a students pet cat.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-15   20:23:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: sneakypete (#67)

I see your postings over at the peeples forum. You won't last long there. The site moderator is goofy enough to think she is teaching people how to think.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-15   21:09:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: no gnu taxes (#70)

"I see your postings over at the peeples forum. You won't last long there. The site moderator is goofy enough to think she is teaching people how to think."

And we have seen your act across the entire spectrum of these forums as you bait and work to pit people against each other and work to feed your ego, Funnie Ballie.

So, whats' your point? Pete has a right to be there if he wishes, and you don't because of your inability to post real and honest articles.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-15   21:18:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Ferret Mike (#72)

And we have seen your act across the entire spectrum of these forums as you bait and work to pit people against each other and work to feed your ego, Funnie Ballie.

So, whats' your point? Pete has a right to be there if he wishes, and you don't because of your inability to post real and honest articles.

If you can't see the condescending attitude there, you're not trying.

I've never baited anybody. I'm mostly a reactive person.

He can do what he wants.

I've never thought I was teaching anybody anything. I'm just telling him what I see.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-15   21:37:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: no gnu taxes (#75)

"I've never baited anybody."

Bull shit. All I need do is look at your attempt to do attack threads on me and others to know this is a lie.

Never mind how easy it would be to mine your histories in many forums to give you a few meals of crow to gnaw on.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-15   21:48:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Ferret Mike (#77)

Mike,Robin has cut my posting privileges down to 3 a day over there,and now she and her posse are having a fine old time attacking me and talking nonsense since I can't respond.

Destro has been demanding she ban me.

I don't see why you waste your time posting with loons like that.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-16   12:34:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: sneakypete (#99)

I agree with you that the response to you merely going over there and expressing your views was over the top and was unwarranted. I have to communicate my displeasure to Robin personally before I can say any more about this.

There is a systemic lack of respect of each other in all of these forums that the same people bounce around on. It would be nice to see that change.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-16   14:12:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete (#106)

There is a systemic lack of respect of each other in all of these forums that the same people bounce around on. It would be nice to see that change.

Mike.... My first chat forums back mid 90's was Graham Hancocks site and other ancient civilization collectives.
These sites pit authors,University types,even career academics vs the novice who discerns there is infact,....something wrong with the control mantra's from the Religion of Sciences .
Supposedly Egyptology is the zenith religion,....conform or be slapped down.
When these sycophants are not clubbing everyone like some barbarrian movie,they chat about politics etc.
and tada!!,...they are mostly all* terminal in their absolute-ism brainwashing.
They try to come off all enlightened,..yet rush behind barricades and start shouting Get yer head down reb,....or Allah Akbar,....next year in Jerusalem,...Jesus is Lord!

and like LP or other similar public venues,.....they all tumble around trying to grab other sycophants to join them behind eachs' seperate barricade,..with stupid ass flag raised.
There is co -intelpro type thing at Political forums,...yet at a far removed forum like Graham Hancock,....the menatlly disturbed abound on the planet.

I see a war where you have to choose some defined side,...like redux to one final position/view of life,religion,politics.
People who throw away the straitjacket offered,...and run free to explore everything and enjoy everything,....piss these off endlessly.
They are viewed as dangerous virus to be innoculated by the holy doctors.
sycophants like yuklown and other control cannot allow free thinking and free speech to continue.
The result of that is others discovering the control,...and escaping the mind game/MK Ultra program of the Elites and Bankers.

One poster on another board said LP was Toxic.
Even though the person who said it was a socialist,....the label is correct.
If you were to post on socialist/democrat sites and contest their controls and their sycophants,
They would fall upon you and stalk you like the klown of LP does,....or the religious ones.

The founders said that when a Gov does the continual usurpations/extortions thing
then that gov has died to the Free Living ones,....who must then act to create a New Gov,....or in this case,...A New Republic.
There's a new Star wars game called.....*The Old Republic.
when we peel the various theme's of Star wars,....Republic,,...Trade Federation,...Galactic Empire.
There is some truth of transitions which in the case of Star wars involve an entire galaxy.
Our Entire world is now being deconstructed,....with the NWO yada yada...reconstruction.
Over in our little corner,....the Republic has died,...been given terminal cancer.
Running behind some barricade to join the sycophants under their flag is to be ended in what is comming.
Better to stride out free in whats unfolding,.....be the one in the disaster movie who walks out at the end.

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2011-01-17   13:42:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Parrot with speed dial (#127)

I stated Posting at the Well in 1995, and went on to Time.Com's Politics forum, and from there to Free Republic, DU, Smirking Chimp, the KOS and other places.

Tom Mandel was the person who inspired me to post as much as I have over the years, and at Time.Com/Politics we had the 'Mandel Rule,' that if you called someone a Fascist or Communist as a fast, cheap and easy ad hom style try to discredit them or win an argument/debate, you lost.

I miss those days, as places like eLPee and other venues are dominated by what we called 'Fuckwits' in USENET. People that just stonewalled any discussion and spammed in their talking points over and over and over to disrupt, stall or end discussion.

That is the role people like Yukon, WhiteSands and others take in forum, and it's a shame things have devolved so much in online discussion.

People should be able to speak their piece, and at the worst at the end of a thread agree to disagree and to move on.

Because people always agree on something, and it is far more mature to build on the commonalities of people then it is to pick each other apart over petty differences like hens killing one of their own with pecks to a spot of blood on them.

Good post and thanks for your perspective, it is interesting and appreciated. I'm glad folks like you are around and have a perspective on how this sort of exercise of free speech can be valuable and engaging.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-17   14:20:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Ferret Mike (#128)

I stated Posting at the Well in 1995, and went on to Time.Com's Politics forum, and from there to Free Republic, DU, Smirking Chimp, the KOS and other places.

Excellent post Mike.
I enjoy learning from the journey of others.
Your post is seen as bragging on certain forums,....which is the fuckwit cover for control,...as opine is dangerous to them.
The above sharing by yourself and my previous post enlarge readership,.
It at least shows a person can participate from say the 90's and still be free and one who is affording others to be free.

Something which has caught my attention recently [last years postings on forums by myself]
is the endgame of the Globalists.
HG Wells is one of their Magi,...but not the zenith Magi.
Wells writes in several of his works of the intended design to use Zionism as a medium to create world rejection of the Jew,Israel and Judaism.
Wells also speaks of the design to end organized religions,...names Christianity and Islam as near ended by the time the Global State is up and running.
I see our period now as one where the Globalists are using these religions to front their sod overturn of the planet.
Terrorism is the overall medium which has all groups now behind the barricades ready for war.
Nationalism is to be included here,...and with that the prospect that China,Russia and maybe even a resurgent German identity may not go allong with the Globalist designs.
so ya....get ready for Intrigues and possibly some nasty wars as these Financiall blocks and nations thrash it out.

Ive been following this derivatives racket and see some linkage to past Cartells which have been flying under the radar yet have major world power.
such as the Nazi/Bormann Flight Capital.
Said to be the worlds largest powerblock,...and probably the reason why US ripped Billions if not Trillions out of the nations guts and gave it to Euro banks,...which could easily be part of the post WW-2 Bilderberg/Nazi Cartell.
The money built China up and tooled it for trade and possibly for future war.
With Russia holding its card tight to its chest.

Were in for a ride now!

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2011-01-17   14:53:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Parrot with speed dial (#132)

"Your post is seen as bragging on certain forums,....which is the fuckwit cover for control,...as opine is dangerous to them."

Yeah, WhiteSands and others have tried to blast me with the ego thing based on the number of times I say 'I' in a post. You are not supposed to have experience enough to list personal experience or thought to some fuckwits here.

As you said, it's a control issue.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-17   18:31:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Ferret Mike (#135)

Yeah, WhiteSands and others have tried to blast me with the ego thing based on the number of times I say 'I' in a post. You are not supposed to have experience enough to list personal experience or thought to some fuckwits here.

As you said, it's a control issue.

Yeah,...you have to wonder just how their Forefathers sat thru those 3 hour long Reich speeches by Hitler,Goebbels.
Maybe some just held pictures of Himmler and channeled the power of the Holy Lance.

Shift:
Being an ardent history fan,....I do like the Art Deco movement of the pre war period and what remained after.
There is something about the design forms which captivate.
some of it is haunting like,....especially in black/white and grays.
Have viewed color images of that period of buidlings,....rooms,..statues,...even the way cool radios with great glowing orange colors and glowing yellow.
The other day,....saw this on the net,....oh oh

from stevequayles site....[No,..I'm not a follower of steve : )]

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2011-01-17   21:40:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Parrot with speed dial (#151)

Being an ardent history fan,....I do like the Art Deco movement of the pre war period

I do,too. Here is one of my cars that is a "keeper". It is a unmodified 1938 Ford "humpback" tudor sedan. It literally took me years to find one that wasn't hotrodded,restored,or needing too much. After all,if I have to do a lot of bodywork,rebuilding engines and running gear,etc,etc,etc,it is no longer an original car and I might as well restore or hot rod it.

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-18   9:42:55 ET  (2 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: sneakypete (#155)

Here is one of my cars that is a "keeper". It is a unmodified 1938 Ford "humpback" tudor sedan.

Cool car,...it looks Euro from the front and Chicago mob/Bonnie and Clyde from the side : )

but ya,...finding a car from 1933 in good restoration shape which is not pulling Barret Jackson numbers cost.

I think its good for the soul to revist places/themes from the past,..or restore things from the past.
I'm kinda that way,.....I'm just not with this present time.
Nostalgia is something I seek.
Watched the Rocketeer on DVD the other night.
They did a great job with the sets,cars,..planes,...night clubs.
really liked the way music was played back then too,...smooth and sultry.
NAS Tillamook has this gorgeous P-38.....most of the museums aircraft are flight capable restored.
They have a beautifull PBY Catalina all white.
Chatting with the owner about the PBY,....they had restored it,...flew it to a lake,....it sank during landing.
Man,...it must take patience and big money to restore these birds for the public : )

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2011-01-20   21:28:04 ET  (2 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Parrot with speed dial (#160)

but ya,...finding a car from 1933 in good restoration shape which is not pulling Barret Jackson numbers cost.

You mean like my 1933 Dodge? Although 1933 is a couple of years too early for art deco.

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-20   23:51:17 ET  (2 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: sneakypete (#163)

You mean like my 1933 Dodge? Although 1933 is a couple of years too early for art deco.

Wow...
What is the appraised value as it sits pete?

You could nearly be a Shriner Parade with those 2 restored,....LOL

Has it been sandblasted,..or has the paint weathered away to that state?

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2011-01-21   0:18:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#171. To: Parrot with speed dial (#166)

What is the appraised value as it sits pete?

Beats me.

You could nearly be a Shriner Parade with those 2 restored,....LOL

You should see my 1931 Plymouth business coupe.

Has it been sandblasted,..or has the paint weathered away to that state?

Other than the slightly darker green paint on one side of the top,it is all original faded paint. I went to northern Michigan to get that car. Who would think you could find a rust-free 1930's car in northern Michigan?

The prime reason it was in such good condition is that it had been stored inside the brick carriage house it's sitting in front of in that photo,and the carriage house was heated with gas heat to keep the horses warm back when they had horses. And most likely it wasn't driven in the winter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-21 08:08:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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