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Title: Jeb Bush: GOP needs to reach out to Latinos now
Source: Associated Press
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Published: Jan 13, 2011
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MIAMI (AP) -- Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush told a Republican gathering Thursday evening that the time is now to connect better with Latino voters, not two months before the general election.

Bush is co-chairing a conference Friday of the new Hispanic Action Network, part of the GOP's latest efforts to forge ties with the growing number of Latino voters. The conference will focus on trade, immigration, media outreach and education.

"Typically what happens in politics is you're working hard and you say, 'Oh gosh, we better start working at campaigning in the Hispanic community,' and it's like Sept. 15," he told the crowd at the elegant Biltmore Hotel in the Miami suburb of Coral Gables. "This is not about politics. This is about the conservative cause. If you look over the horizon over the next 10 or 20 years...without an active involvement of Hispanics, we will not be the governing philosophy."

The Hispanic Action Network is backed by former Minnesota Sen. Norm Coleman, whose American Action Network funneled more than $30 million in campaign funds to Republicans in about 30 congressional races last year.

With the Latino population growing in swing states such as Nevada, Colorado and Florida, Republicans need to chip away at Hispanics' overall 2-1 preference for Democrats to have any hope of capturing the presidency.

Democrats are confident their party's efforts on health care, education and the economy will continue to appeal to Hispanic voters, whom they believe have been turned off by Republican campaign attacks on illegal immigrants.

But Bush and other Republicans have long maintained their party is a natural fit for Hispanics, particularly recent immigrants. They cite the party's social conservatism, anti-abortion stance and support for private school vouchers and lower taxes. Voters last year elected several Latino Republicans to prominent posts, including U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez.

Bush's group is not the only conservative organization focusing on Hispanic outreach.

House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a possible 2010 presidential candidate, announced a similar effort in Washington, D.C., last month with his Americanos group. The conservative Heritage Foundation also now has a Spanish Web site, Libertad.org. Meanwhile, Alfonso Aguilar, former President George W. Bush's first citizenship and immigration czar, runs the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles.

The former president, who is Jeb Bush's brother, had a stronger and more successful Hispanic outreach program than almost any other national Republican.

Jeb Bush, who is fluent in Spanish and met his Mexican-born wife Columba when he taught English in her homeland, said reaching out "is about more than running ads in the Spanish-language media. It's also about showing people you want them to be part of the effort, putting in the time even when people aren't looking." And, Bush added, "it means using rhetoric that doesn't turn people off."

He told The Associated Press "the more the merrier" as far as outreach programs go. Unlike Gingrich, Bush has ruled out running for president in 2012.

Of next year's crop of likely GOP presidential contenders, only former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty is scheduled to speak at the conference, where more than 600 are likely to attend.

But Republican groups have their work cut out for them following an election year in which Republican Senate candidate Sharon Angle of Nevada ran ads portraying illegal immigrants as thuggish gang members, and Hispanic voters overwhelmingly sided with Sen. Michael Bennet against Republican Ken Buck, a former county prosecutor who had tried to deport more illegal immigrants by seizing income-tax returns from accountants that catered to Spanish speakers. The plan was later thrown out by a court.

The House Republican leadership took a symbolic step toward bridging the gap with Latinos last week in bypassing Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa as the next chairman of the Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on immigration. King once suggested on the House floor that an electrified border fence would stop illegal immigrants, likening it to the practice used to corral livestock.

"Obviously there was a message sent with Steve King not being selected for chair," said Aguilar, who is attending the conference. "But now the question is beyond ending harsh rhetoric: Will they actively propose a conservative proposal that goes beyond border control and domestic enforcement to a temporary work status."

As president, George W. Bush unsuccessfully pushed for sweeping immigration reform. But so far, the only new Republican proposal on immigration has come from a group of state lawmakers who are hoping for a Supreme Court ruling that would end the granting of automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

Simon Rosenberg, head of the liberal-leaning NDN organization, applauded the efforts of Republicans such as Jeb Bush to reach Latinos.

"It would be bad for the Latino community to only have one political party working with them," he said.

But Rosenberg questioned the notion that Hispanics have more in common with conservatives, noting that many Hispanics lack health insurance and will benefit from the Democrats' recent health care overhaul.

He said the GOP needs more than improved outreach.

"There is a reactionary strain in the Republican Party that is angry about how the country is changing," he added, referring to the effects of immigration. "We are moving toward a majority nonwhite country. That is very difficult for some people to accept. And those people tend to be more Republican."

Bush and Gingrich support comprehensive immigration reform, but GOP leaders must still satisfy those who want to focus mainly on border security, including new Florida Gov. Rick Scott.

Scott was among the keynote speakers Thursday night. Other speakers include the co-chair, former Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, as well as Puerto Rican Gov. Luis Fortuno, former Colombian President Alvaro Uribe and Texas Sen. John Cornyn.

Coleman said he's proud of the diverse perspectives the conference will offer and hopes it leads to serious debate.

"So much of immigration is about tone," he said. Coleman added that Florida's Rubio and New Mexico's Martinez talk about immigration and border security "but in a tone that is helpful and respectful."

But neither Rubio nor Martinez will be at the conference, nor will newly elected Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval, another Hispanic GOP star. Coleman said both Sandoval and Martinez have just begun their jobs and couldn't get away. A spokesman for Rubio said the senator would be working on official business outside of South Florida but declined to provide details. Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade*

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#96. To: We The People (#89) (Edited)

Like the site owner who states that America is smiled upon by God because we protect Israel? And if we stop protecting Israel we're finished? LOL!

Palin and Bachmann are site owners?

And how far have we escaped from reality when people like those two are considered to be conservatives?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-16   11:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: sneakypete (#96)

And how far have we escaped from reality when people like those two are considered to be conservatives?

Indeed.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   12:07:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: sneakypete (#95)

He even tells his soldiers to take the infants of a conquered tribe by their heels and smash their brains out against the stone walls in order to assure that tribe disappears and never again causes them trouble.

Middle eastern extremist philosophy.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   12:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Ferret Mike (#77)

Mike,Robin has cut my posting privileges down to 3 a day over there,and now she and her posse are having a fine old time attacking me and talking nonsense since I can't respond.

Destro has been demanding she ban me.

I don't see why you waste your time posting with loons like that.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-16   12:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: sneakypete (#99)

Mike,Robin has cut my posting privileges down to 3 a day over there,and now she and her posse are having a fine old time attacking me and talking nonsense since I can't respond.

I believe your limit is 10 posts per day.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-16   13:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: lucysmom (#100) (Edited)

I believe your limit is 10 posts per day.

Really? I know I am now restricted over there. I found this out when I went to respond to one attack and was told I had used up my quota for the day.

The day before I had unrestricted posting privileges.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-16   13:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: sneakypete (#101)

Really?

Really.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-16   13:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: sneakypete (#91)

I got to place a total of ONE post on the Huffington Post board before being banned from there,and didn't even get to post once at Salon before being banned.

Which means she is a LOT more open to dissenting opinions than the typical leftie.

She believes you can be trained into the "proper" way of thinking. I assure you that's her angle.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-16   14:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: go65 (#87) (Edited)

So if we invest in a military and preserve national resources, that's socialism to you?

How dumb.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-16   14:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: sneakypete (#99)

Mike,Robin has cut my posting privileges down to 3 a day

Okay, you've officially been deemed untrainable in the "proper" way of thinking.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-16   14:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: sneakypete (#99)

I agree with you that the response to you merely going over there and expressing your views was over the top and was unwarranted. I have to communicate my displeasure to Robin personally before I can say any more about this.

There is a systemic lack of respect of each other in all of these forums that the same people bounce around on. It would be nice to see that change.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-16   14:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: We The People (#90)

--" Not that I care

Man, you had been there longer than me. I read that you had left LP but I didn't see any reason listed. What happened?

And feel free to ignore this if you feel it's none of my business."----

No problem wtp, I posted it over there.

Bilge de dildoe accused me of being a "child molester" and a "child murderer". He did it a few times in a cluster.

Goldi had said that anybody doing that was going to be immediately banned.

That this was supposedly one of her hard and fast "rules".

Then she "banned" him.

Then, almost immediately, she let him come back.

I will NOT have anything to do with any site that allows ANY poster to call ANYbody else there a "child molester" and a "child murderer".

I would have left if somebody had called bilge de dildoe such things, and the same thing had happened. I won't hang around people who see humor in accusing others of heinous and outrageous crimes like that. Especially against CHILDREN.

So I posted a story about how bilge de dildoe was exactly what he had called me, and then demanded that Goldi ban me, and called her a stupid hypocritical cunt while doing so, because she is.

Later I sent her an email saying the basically the same thing without calling her a cunt.

I don't even check it, screw her hit count.

THIS site is a target rich environment, AND Stone actually believes in free speech. I don't know his stance on such things as happened over there. But as far as I know he hasn't stated something is a rule then broken his own rule.

I despise COWARDS, LIARS and HYPOCRITES.

I hope that you and yours are kicking ass man.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-01-16   15:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Mad Dog (#107)

"I will NOT have anything to do with any site that allows ANY poster to call ANYbody else there a "child molester" and a "child murderer"."

This is hypocritical of you seeing that all you do is insult and try to directly go for the throat of the concept of anothers good name long before you argue the point to any issue or story any thread is on.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-16   15:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Mad Dog (#107)

"THIS site is a target rich environment"

Indeed.

Just be aware that that always works both ways.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-16   15:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: faggot mikey Ferret Mike (#108)

"I will NOT have anything to do with any site that allows ANY poster to call ANYbody else there a "child molester" and a "child murderer"."

This is hypocritical of you seeing that all you do is insult and try to directly go for the throat of the concept of anothers good name long before you argue the point to any issue or story any thread is on.

You aren't all that bright are you faggot mikey?

We already know that you are not HONEST, that you are a self declared LIAR.

You see FOOL, the difference is that I am admittedly rude, profane, and some little pussies such as you, might even think that I'm "mean", BUT NEVER have I ever accused anybody, anywhere, of being CRIMINALS especially regarding CHILDREN.

The difference, you gibbering libTURD moron is that I NEVER say anything that could be considered SLANDER. I don't ever say anything that could be considered defamation.

I don't EVER, say ANYTHING, to ANYBODY, that I would NOT say to their FACE, you little libTURD bitch.

If you said what that creep had said to me, to anybody face to face, the best that you could hope for would be to be suddenly looking at the sky from the deck.

I despise LIARS, COWARDS, and HYPOCRITES.

Which are just some of the reasons that I despise you faggot mikey.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-01-16   16:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: faggot mikey Ferret Mike (#109)

LOL!

You pitiful little asswipe.

I'm BEST when I'm in COUNTER BATTERY.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-01-16   16:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Mad Dog, faggot mikey Ferret Mike, liberals (#110)

LIARS, COWARDS, and HYPOCRITES.

Those seem to be necessary traits for most liberals.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-16   16:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Ibluafartsky, faggot mikey Ferret Mike, liberals (#112)

.

LIARS, COWARDS, and HYPOCRITES.

Those seem to be necessary traits for most liberals.

Yep.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-01-16   16:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete (#106)

I agree with you that the response to you merely going over there and expressing your views was over the top and was unwarranted.

I agree and I didn't enjoy watching it happen like a slow train wreck. Petey has 10 posts a day now over there.

I wanted to stick my nose in there but the topics weren't of much interest to me, plus petey can certainly fend for himself.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-01-16   17:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: no gnu taxes (#103)

She believes you can be trained into the "proper" way of thinking. I assure you that's her angle.

LOL! Well,nobody can ever accuse her of not being an optimist,can they?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-16   18:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Ferret Mike (#106)

There is a systemic lack of respect of each other in all of these forums that the same people bounce around on. It would be nice to see that change.

Yeah,it would. It would even be nice to not see people carry a argument from one thread to the next. It's like the idea that you can disagree with somebody on one issue and agree with them on another issue is totally foreign to them.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-16   18:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Mad Dog (#110)

We already know that you are not HONEST, that you are a self declared LIAR.

Ok,that does it. You are completely and totally full of shit,and YOU are a liar.

This is at least the 4th forum I have seen Ferret post on,and he NEVER tells a lie,and a whacked out asshole like you has no standing to accuse him of it.

You talk a lot of shit,but deep down you know you are a punk.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-16   18:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: sneakypete, Mad Dog, mustelid (#117)

This is at least the 4th forum I have seen Ferret post on,and he NEVER tells a lie

What a crock of shit!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-16   18:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Mad Dog (#107)

I hope that you and yours are kicking ass man.

Thanks, and right back at you. And thanks for telling me the story.

It seems the rules are whatever Goldi says they are at the moment, except for the ones on the homepage, which don't count at all.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   19:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: sneakypete (#117)

Hey FUCKWAD.

Your little bitch faggot mikey has ADMITTED ON THIS VERY SITE THAT HE IS A LYING FRAUD.

NOW call me a LIAR again you useless cunt.

Then I'm supposed to look them up and bring them to you hat in hand for YOUR approval you noxious arrogant cunt?

FUCK YOU, you vile cunt.

Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-01-16   20:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: sneakypete (#92)

Good point. It's probably the only thing that keeps him from Sterno 24/7.

Did Caribou Barbie drop him some from her helicopter before going polar bear hunting?

meguro  posted on  2011-01-17   0:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Mad Dog (#120)

Your little bitch faggot mikey has ADMITTED ON THIS VERY SITE THAT HE IS A LYING FRAUD.

NOW call me a LIAR again you useless cunt.

Once again you are proving you are a liar,and it was established a long time ago that you are a absolute punk.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-17   0:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: meguro (#121)

Did Caribou Barbie drop him some from her helicopter before going polar bear hunting?

No,but you might want to email her and suggest that he would make GREAT wolf bait if she staked him out covered with bacon grease.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-17   0:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Ferret Mike (#81)

I take people as they come.

I'll bet you do!!!!!!!!!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-17   0:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: sneakypete (#123)

No,but you might want to email her and suggest that he would make GREAT wolf bait if she staked him out covered with bacon grease.

I wonder if she drew crosshairs on him.

meguro  posted on  2011-01-17   11:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: no gnu taxes (#104)

So if we invest in a military and preserve national resources, that's socialism to you?

We? Who is this "we" you are talking about?

And what of these "national" resources you speak of? Shouldn't resources belong to those individuals or corporations who own them? Or do you believe in the socialist view that resources belong to all?

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-17   12:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete (#106)

There is a systemic lack of respect of each other in all of these forums that the same people bounce around on. It would be nice to see that change.

Mike.... My first chat forums back mid 90's was Graham Hancocks site and other ancient civilization collectives.
These sites pit authors,University types,even career academics vs the novice who discerns there is infact,....something wrong with the control mantra's from the Religion of Sciences .
Supposedly Egyptology is the zenith religion,....conform or be slapped down.
When these sycophants are not clubbing everyone like some barbarrian movie,they chat about politics etc.
and tada!!,...they are mostly all* terminal in their absolute-ism brainwashing.
They try to come off all enlightened,..yet rush behind barricades and start shouting Get yer head down reb,....or Allah Akbar,....next year in Jerusalem,...Jesus is Lord!

and like LP or other similar public venues,.....they all tumble around trying to grab other sycophants to join them behind eachs' seperate barricade,..with stupid ass flag raised.
There is co -intelpro type thing at Political forums,...yet at a far removed forum like Graham Hancock,....the menatlly disturbed abound on the planet.

I see a war where you have to choose some defined side,...like redux to one final position/view of life,religion,politics.
People who throw away the straitjacket offered,...and run free to explore everything and enjoy everything,....piss these off endlessly.
They are viewed as dangerous virus to be innoculated by the holy doctors.
sycophants like yuklown and other control cannot allow free thinking and free speech to continue.
The result of that is others discovering the control,...and escaping the mind game/MK Ultra program of the Elites and Bankers.

One poster on another board said LP was Toxic.
Even though the person who said it was a socialist,....the label is correct.
If you were to post on socialist/democrat sites and contest their controls and their sycophants,
They would fall upon you and stalk you like the klown of LP does,....or the religious ones.

The founders said that when a Gov does the continual usurpations/extortions thing
then that gov has died to the Free Living ones,....who must then act to create a New Gov,....or in this case,...A New Republic.
There's a new Star wars game called.....*The Old Republic.
when we peel the various theme's of Star wars,....Republic,,...Trade Federation,...Galactic Empire.
There is some truth of transitions which in the case of Star wars involve an entire galaxy.
Our Entire world is now being deconstructed,....with the NWO yada yada...reconstruction.
Over in our little corner,....the Republic has died,...been given terminal cancer.
Running behind some barricade to join the sycophants under their flag is to be ended in what is comming.
Better to stride out free in whats unfolding,.....be the one in the disaster movie who walks out at the end.

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2011-01-17   13:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Parrot with speed dial (#127)

I stated Posting at the Well in 1995, and went on to Time.Com's Politics forum, and from there to Free Republic, DU, Smirking Chimp, the KOS and other places.

Tom Mandel was the person who inspired me to post as much as I have over the years, and at Time.Com/Politics we had the 'Mandel Rule,' that if you called someone a Fascist or Communist as a fast, cheap and easy ad hom style try to discredit them or win an argument/debate, you lost.

I miss those days, as places like eLPee and other venues are dominated by what we called 'Fuckwits' in USENET. People that just stonewalled any discussion and spammed in their talking points over and over and over to disrupt, stall or end discussion.

That is the role people like Yukon, WhiteSands and others take in forum, and it's a shame things have devolved so much in online discussion.

People should be able to speak their piece, and at the worst at the end of a thread agree to disagree and to move on.

Because people always agree on something, and it is far more mature to build on the commonalities of people then it is to pick each other apart over petty differences like hens killing one of their own with pecks to a spot of blood on them.

Good post and thanks for your perspective, it is interesting and appreciated. I'm glad folks like you are around and have a perspective on how this sort of exercise of free speech can be valuable and engaging.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-17   14:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Ferret Mike (#128)

I miss those days, as places like eLPee and other venues are dominated by what we called 'Fuckwits' in USENET. People that just stonewalled any discussion and spammed in their talking points over and over and over to disrupt, stall or end discussion.

Isn't that now called "Yukon"?

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-17   14:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: go65 (#129)

Heh, I like that, if someone acts the role of fuckwit one says, "Yukon rule, you lose."

;-D

That's what I would say if someone posted something like this:

how f***ing dare ANYONE make fun of rimjob after all he's been through! he lost his mind he's dealing with a disgruntled freeper his members turned out to be psychopaths and idiots! and all you people care about is laughing at him! HE'S A HUMAN!!!!!

all you do is sit around and write a bunch of crap about him he has all these fund drives because thats ALL YOU PEOPLE WANT IS MORE MORE MORE MORE

LEAVE RIMJOB ALONE!!!

LEAVE HIM ALONE I'M SERIOUS

(reposted from DU - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php? az=view_all&address=439x216535)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-17   14:48:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Ferret Mike (#130)

The guy with the red ball cap - what's his screen name?

I've met him several times at FReaker events, but that was years ago. Dr Zoo???

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-01-17   14:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Ferret Mike (#128)

I stated Posting at the Well in 1995, and went on to Time.Com's Politics forum, and from there to Free Republic, DU, Smirking Chimp, the KOS and other places.

Excellent post Mike.
I enjoy learning from the journey of others.
Your post is seen as bragging on certain forums,....which is the fuckwit cover for control,...as opine is dangerous to them.
The above sharing by yourself and my previous post enlarge readership,.
It at least shows a person can participate from say the 90's and still be free and one who is affording others to be free.

Something which has caught my attention recently [last years postings on forums by myself]
is the endgame of the Globalists.
HG Wells is one of their Magi,...but not the zenith Magi.
Wells writes in several of his works of the intended design to use Zionism as a medium to create world rejection of the Jew,Israel and Judaism.
Wells also speaks of the design to end organized religions,...names Christianity and Islam as near ended by the time the Global State is up and running.
I see our period now as one where the Globalists are using these religions to front their sod overturn of the planet.
Terrorism is the overall medium which has all groups now behind the barricades ready for war.
Nationalism is to be included here,...and with that the prospect that China,Russia and maybe even a resurgent German identity may not go allong with the Globalist designs.
so ya....get ready for Intrigues and possibly some nasty wars as these Financiall blocks and nations thrash it out.

Ive been following this derivatives racket and see some linkage to past Cartells which have been flying under the radar yet have major world power.
such as the Nazi/Bormann Flight Capital.
Said to be the worlds largest powerblock,...and probably the reason why US ripped Billions if not Trillions out of the nations guts and gave it to Euro banks,...which could easily be part of the post WW-2 Bilderberg/Nazi Cartell.
The money built China up and tooled it for trade and possibly for future war.
With Russia holding its card tight to its chest.

Were in for a ride now!

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2011-01-17   14:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Parrot with speed dial (#127)

f you were to post on socialist/democrat sites and contest their controls and their sycophants, They would fall upon you and stalk you like the klown of LP does,....or the religious ones.

That's exactly what just happened to me on the People's Forum.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-17   18:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Ferret Mike, Parrot with speed dial (#128)

we called 'Fuckwits'

You're a real charmer, hypocrite! You liberals are such phonies and candyasses.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-17   18:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Parrot with speed dial (#132)

"Your post is seen as bragging on certain forums,....which is the fuckwit cover for control,...as opine is dangerous to them."

Yeah, WhiteSands and others have tried to blast me with the ego thing based on the number of times I say 'I' in a post. You are not supposed to have experience enough to list personal experience or thought to some fuckwits here.

As you said, it's a control issue.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-17   18:31:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Ibluafartsky (#134)

Nice mustache, Yukon.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-17   18:35:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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