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Title: Record snows hit New England; Brazilian floods kill 350; Brisbane underwater
Source: Accuweather
URL Source: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Je ... ers/comment.html?entrynum=1726
Published: Jan 13, 2011
Author: Dr. Jeff Masters
Post Date: 2011-01-13 13:34:09 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 67435
Comments: 88

The Northeast U.S. is digging out today from the winter's third major snowstorm, and the nation's South continues to deal with travel disruptions caused by the nasty coasting of ice, snow and sleet the storm left behind early this week. Yesterday's Nor'easter has exited into Canada, and the storm is over for the U.S. It was a pretty average Nor'easter as far as intensity goes--the storm's central pressure bottomed out at 982 mb, and just the Massachusetts coast was subject to high winds that merited blizzard warnings. The storm did generate one hurricane-force wind gust--Provincetown airport on the tip of Cape Cod had sustained winds at 43 mph, gusting to 79 mph, at 6:35am EST yesterday, and a personal weather station at Humarock Beach in Scituate, southeast of Boston, recorded a wind gust of 64 mph at 5:51am EST yesterday.

Figure 1. A bit of work today needed before one can step out of the door in Southborough, Massachusetts! Image credit: wunderphotographer Megmdp.

But what was remarkable about the January Nor'easter of 2011 were its snow amounts. This rather ordinary-strength Nor'easter managed to assemble the perfect mix of conditions needed to transport moisture to a region of the storm highly favorable for heavy snow formation. Many heavy snow bands with snowfall rates up to 3 inches per hour formed over New England, with some of these bands intense enough to generate lightning and thunder. Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont all came within an inch of setting all-time state 24-hour snowfall records yesterday. North Haven, Connecticut received 29.5", falling just short of the 30.2" 24-hour snowfall record for the state, set at Fairfield in February 2006. Savoy, Massachusetts received 34.5", falling just short of that state's all-time 24-hour snowfall record, the 36" recorded at Milton in February 1997. Wilmington, Vermont got 36" in yesterday's storm, just missing the state record of 37", set at Peru in March 1984. The capital of Connecticut, Hartford, had its greatest snowstorm in history yesterday, with 24". The old record was 23.5", set in a February 1899 storm.

Some selected storm total snowfall amounts, taken from the latest NOAA storm summary:

New York City, NY 9.1"
Albany, NY 13.2"
Worcester, MA 21.1"
Boston, MA 14.6"
Augusta, ME 14.5"
Portland, ME 9.2"
Concord, NH 22"
Somerset, PA 15"
Philadelphia, PA 5.2"
Providence, RI 9.5"
Brattleboro, VT 19"
Elkin, WV 10"
Danbury, CT 17.9"
Wilmington, DE 4.3"

According to our weather historian, Christopher C. Burt, in his latest blog post titled, "Snowstorms in the South: A Historical Perspective", the 8.9" that fell on Huntsville, Alabama from this week's storm was that city's third heaviest snow on record. The post has a nice summary of the remarkable heavy snow storms that have hit the South in the past.

Brazilian floods, landslides kill at least 350 The globe's parade of massive flooding disasters in recent months continued yesterday in Brazil, where heavy rains of up to 10 inches in 24 hours inundated the region about 60 miles north of Rio de Janeiro. At least 350 are dead and 50 people missing, and the death toll is expected to go much higher once rescuers reach remote villages that have been cut off from communications. Brazil suffers hundreds of deaths each year due to flooding and mudslides, but the past 12 months have been particularly devastating. Flooding and landslides near Rio in April last year killed 246 people and did about $13 billion in damage, and at least 85 people perished last January during a similar event.

Figure 2. A woman trapped on the roof of her car awaits rescue during the Toowoomba flash flood on Monday. Image credit: Wikipedia.

New floods ravage Australia's 3rd largest city Flood waters swept today into Brisbane, Australia's 3rd largest city, inundating 14,400 homes and businesses, partially submerging another 17,200, and cutting power to 118,000, as the Brisbane River peaked at its highest level since 1974. Queensland Premier Anna Bligh, who has called the recent floods in Queensland the greatest natural disaster in their history, said, "What I'm seeing looks more like a war zone in some places. All I could see was their rooftops...underneath every single one of those rooftops is a horror story. We are facing a reconstruction effort of post-war proportions." Much of Brisbane's infrastructure has been damaged or destroyed, including 55,000 miles of roads. The Port of Brisbane, one of Australia's busiest, has been closed because of debris, and the city's largest sports stadium is under several feet of water.

The search for bodies continues in Toowoomba, about 60 miles west of Brisbane, where freak rains of 6 inches in just 30 minutes triggered a flash flood that killed 12 and left 61 missing on Monday. The flood waters from the Toowoomba disaster poured into the Brisbane River, contributing to its rampage through Brisbane yesterday. The Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) reported that only scattered light rains less than 1/3" fell in the Brisbane area over the past 24 hours, and no further significant rains are forecast in the Brisbane area until Tuesday next week, so the worst of the flooding is now over for Queensland. According to the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, the December - January floods in Queenland are the most significant flooding event in Australia since at least 1974. In 2010, Australia had its wettest spring (September - November) since records began 111 years ago, with some sections of coastal Queensland receiving over 4 feet (1200 mm) of rain. Rainfall in Queensland and all of eastern Australia in December was the greatest on record, and the year 2010 was the rainiest year on record for Queensland. Queensland typically has its rainiest years when La Niña events occur, due to the much warmer than average ocean temperatures that occur along the coast. The BOM notes, "Previous strong La Niña events, such as those of 1974 and 1955, have also been associated with widespread and severe flooding in eastern Australia. Sea surface temperatures off the Queensland coast in recent months have also been at or near record levels." The BOM's annual summary also reported, "Sea surface temperatures in the Australian region during 2010 were the warmest value on record for the Australian region. Individual high monthly sea surface temperature records were also set during 2010 in March, April, June, September, October, November and December. Along with favourable hemispheric circulation associated with the 2010 La Niña, very warm sea surface temperatures contributed to the record rainfall and very high humidity across eastern Australia during winter and spring." Beginning in December, the Queensland floods have killed at least 22, and damage estimates are now as high as $20 billion. Queensland has an area the size of Germany and France combined.

2010 tied for warmest year in Earth's history Earth's warmest year in history occurred in 2010, NASA reported yesterday. The globe's temperature beat the previous record set in 2005 by just .01°C, so we should consider 2010 and 2005 tied for the warmest year on record. Reliable global temperature records go back to 1880. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) also announced yesterday that 2010 was tied with 2005 as the warmest year on record, with temperatures during 2010 1.12°F (0.62°C) above the 20th century average. I'll have a full blog post on the subject Friday morning.

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#49. To: eskimo (#45)

Look, seriously, if CO2 is distributed evenly, what is the "scientific" explanation for why some considerably large portions of the planet are colder than normal? Surely, there is one.

Yes, there is.

In addition to CO2 = HEAT, HEAT also rises.

Which is why the poles are heating up much more rapidly.

And the Ocean has been doing a yeoman's job of absorbing a huge amt of the rest, acidifying now, eating away shellfish, coral, et al.

That HEAT is pushing the Cold down.

To say areas where there is now a whole bunches of moisture in the air, forcing the release of that moisture.

If the air is o say 31 degrees or lower to say 18, you'll get record snowfall in say Hartford-24 inches kinda .

Surely as the day is long. Anything else, feel free to ask. Always willing to help. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mcgowanjm (#47)

Arctic goes ice free by 2013.

That's a pretty bold prediction.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   12:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mcgowanjm (#49)

In addition to CO2 = HEAT, HEAT also rises.

Which is why the poles are heating up much more rapidly.

Please explain.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   12:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mcgowanjm (#46)

LOL!! Then why is your CO2=HEAT thing not working here where I am? My CO2 = HEAt thing?

Because you live on another planet. ;}

OK, you do not have an answer for that.

But, are you not still quessing about all the stuff as I asked in #42.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-16   12:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: We The People, All (#51)

In addition to CO2 = HEAT, HEAT also rises.

Which is why the poles are heating up much more rapidly.

Please explain.

Explain what?

How HEAT rises?

Cold sinks?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: mcgowanjm (#49)

In addition to CO2 = HEAT, HEAT also rises.

Which is why the poles are heating up much more rapidly.

Are you saying heat rises both north and south?

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-16   12:15:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: eskimo (#52)

Then why is your CO2=HEAT thing not working here

OK, you do not have an answer for that.

EXACTLY. 8D I don't have an answer for why CO2 = HEAT thing not working there where you are.

Like just what do you get when you burn things where you live? Does the flame get colder? Can you burn an open wood fire w/ no vent in your living room and continue to have enough oxygen to breathe?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mcgowanjm (#53)

Explain what?

How HEAT rises?

Cold sinks?

No, how the fact that heat rises would make the poles warm faster.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   12:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: eskimo (#52)

But, are you not still quessing about all the stuff as I asked in #42.

W/o looking at post #42, based on your posts so far, I'd have to give that a qualified 'yes'. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: eskimo (#54)

Are you saying heat rises both north and south?

Do you think that Heat from Antarctica makes it past the Equator?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: We The People (#56) (Edited)

No, how the fact that. heat rises would make the poles warm faster

Excuse me while I dump this to give you a Scientific Explanation for why HEAT rising goes to the poles.

How well an atmosphere transfers heat and the methods it uses will have a profound effect on the surface temperature and weather. There are three ways gases can transfer energy:

1. radiation---photons (energy packets) leak outward by scattering off gas particles. Nature prefers this way. 2. conduction---fast-moving atoms collide with other atoms imparting some of their motion to them. This is used by metals like copper or aluminum to transfer heat (eg., from your stove element to the food), but it is not used by a gas since the gas molecules are so far apart from one another. The process of conduction is too inefficient in a gas to worry about. 3. convection---big pieces of the atmosphere cycle between cold regions and warm regions. Hot air below expands and its density decreases so it rises. Cooler, denser air falls and displaces the hot air. As a hot bubble rises, it cools by giving up its heat energy to the cool surroundings. The gas will then fall and heat up when it comes into contact with the warm surface or interior.

energy conveyor belt of convection

It is a sort of ``energy conveyor belt'' motion of gas. Nature will use convection only if there is a large change in temperature over a small distance (a ``steep temperature gradient''). Such conditions are found in planet atmospheres (compared to size of a planet, atmospheres are very thin!) and the interiors of stars.

In addition to transporting energy outward to space, convection also distributes the heat across the planet, from the warm daylit equatorial regions to the cooler latitudes closer to the poles and to the night side of the planet. The warm air at the equatorial regions rises and the cooler air from other parts of the planet flows across the surface toward the equator to replace the rising air. All of the winds in a planet's atmosphere are due to convective processes. If the planet is rotating quickly enough, the motion of the air can be deflected sideways by the coriolis effect (see also the Galileo section in the history chapter).

planet's rotation deflects air circulation

If a pocket of air from the pole moves toward the equator without changing direction, the Earth will rotate beneath it. The packet of air has a sideways motion equal to the rotation speed at the pole, but the parts of the Earth's surface closer to the equator have a greater rotational speed because they are farther from the rotation axis. To an observer on the ground, the path appears deflected to the west. The coriolis deflections produce the spiral patterns of cyclonic storms and air flow away from high-pressure regions. "

Anything else you need?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mcgowanjm (#59) (Edited)

Excuse me while I dump this to give you a Scientific Explanation for why HEAT rising goes to the poles.

That doesn't give me any explanation of why rising heat would go to the poles faster, scientific or otherwise.

OK, slow down, take a deep breath, and think about it. Then type it out.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   12:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: We The People (#60)

Excuse me while I dump this to give you a Scientific Explanation for why HEAT rising goes to the poles.

That doesn't give me any explanation of why rising heat would go to the poles, scientific or otherwise.

Of course it didn't.

But now it does.

Anything else you need? ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: We The People (#60)

OK, slow down, take a deep breath, and think about it. Then type it out.

Exactly. Waiting for your response.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:33:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: mcgowanjm (#58)

Do you think that Heat from Antarctica makes it past the Equator?

You have got to be kidding.

OK, let us take this slowly. From where does heat rise toward Antarctica?

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-16   12:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: eskimo (#63)

Do you think that Heat from Antarctica makes it past the Equator?

You have got to be kidding.

Note the question mark?

I wasn't kidding. I was giving you a flock of shit.

8D

#54. To: mcgowanjm (#49)

In addition to CO2 = HEAT, HEAT also rises.

Which is why the poles are heating up much more rapidly.

Are you saying heat rises both north and south?

eskimo

"#58. To: eskimo (#54)

Are you saying heat rises both north and south?

Do you think that Heat from Antarctica makes it past the Equator?

mcgowanjm

How well an atmosphere transfers heat and the methods it uses will have a profound effect on the surface temperature and weather. There are three ways gases can transfer energy:

1. radiation---photons (energy packets) leak outward by scattering off gas particles. Nature prefers this way. 2. conduction---fast-moving atoms collide with other atoms imparting some of their motion to them. This is used by metals like copper or aluminum to transfer heat (eg., from your stove element to the food), but it is not used by a gas since the gas molecules are so far apart from one another. The process of conduction is too inefficient in a gas to worry about. 3. convection---big pieces of the atmosphere cycle between cold regions and warm regions. Hot air below expands and its density decreases so it rises. Cooler, denser air falls and displaces the hot air. As a hot bubble rises, it cools by giving up its heat energy to the cool surroundings. The gas will then fall and heat up when it comes into contact with the warm surface or interior.

energy conveyor belt of convection

It is a sort of ``energy conveyor belt'' motion of gas. Nature will use convection only if there is a large change in temperature over a small distance (a ``steep temperature gradient''). Such conditions are found in planet atmospheres (compared to size of a planet, atmospheres are very thin!) and the interiors of stars.

In addition to transporting energy outward to space, convection also distributes the heat across the planet, from the warm daylit equatorial regions to the cooler latitudes closer to the poles and to the night side of the planet. The warm air at the equatorial regions rises and the cooler air from other parts of the planet flows across the surface toward the equator to replace the rising air. All of the winds in a planet's atmosphere are due to convective processes. If the planet is rotating quickly enough, the motion of the air can be deflected sideways by the coriolis effect (see also the Galileo section in the history chapter).

planet's rotation deflects air circulation

If a pocket of air from the pole moves toward the equator without changing direction, the Earth will rotate beneath it. The packet of air has a sideways motion equal to the rotation speed at the pole, but the parts of the Earth's surface closer to the equator have a greater rotational speed because they are farther from the rotation axis. To an observer on the ground, the path appears deflected to the west. The coriolis deflections produce the spiral patterns of cyclonic storms and air flow away from high-pressure regions. "

Anything else you need?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: mcgowanjm (#57)

But, are you not still quessing about all the stuff as I asked in #42.

W/o looking at post #42, based on your posts so far, I'd have to give that a qualified 'yes'. ;}

OK, so we agree that you are just guessing but there has to be some science involved in your guesses. You have to realize that science is in question if it forces you to guess.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-16   12:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: All (#64) (Edited)

#54. To: mcgowanjm (#49)

In addition to CO2 = HEAT, HEAT also rises.

Which is why the poles are heating up much more rapidly.

Are you saying heat rises both north and south?

eskimo

"#58. To: eskimo (#54)

Are you saying heat rises both north and south?

Do you think that Heat from Antarctica makes it past the Equator?

mcgowanjm

www.astronomynotes.com/solarsys/s4.htm

Read up on it. The Church killed people for having this info. You get it free of charge. 8D

CO2 = HEAT

Heat rises. Cold sinks. Planet spins. Humans no smarter than yeast. The end. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: eskimo (#65)

OK, so we agree that you

live on a different planet where CO2 = something besides HEAT.

And the disappearing Ice of the Arctic doesn't phase youer belief at all.

If I was guessing that CO2 = HEAT yes, you'd be correct. But I'm not. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-16   12:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: mcgowanjm (#66)

The Church killed people for having this info. You get it free of charge. 8D

LOL!

Damnit! Now the church is after me? ;o)

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   12:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: mcgowanjm (#64) (Edited)

Wait. First, thanks for the explanation above outlining atmospheric patterns. But I already understand atmospheric patterns.

I was interested in your explanation of your statement, "Which is why the poles are heating up much more rapidly."

In my question I simply changed your phrase "much more rapidly" to 'faster'.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   12:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: mcgowanjm (#62)

OK, slow down, take a deep breath, and think about it. Then type it out.

Exactly. Waiting for your response.

LOL!

You may not believe this James, but I like you.

We may disagree on many things, but you're an intelligent man and funny as hell.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   12:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: mcgowanjm (#64)

I wasn't kidding. I was giving you a flock of shit.

LOL!! no kidding.

In addition to transporting energy outward to space, convection also distributes the heat across the planet,..

Maybe we are getting somewhere. If heat is rising in all directions into the upper atmosphere and being distributed across the planet, why is the equater not much colder than it is now from the cold air falling. The warm and cold will eventually blend, would they not. And the cycle repeats. And it is still colder than usual here wher I am.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-16   13:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: mcgowanjm (#66)

Heat rises. Cold sinks. Planet spins. Humans no smarter than yeast. The end. ;}

LOL!! Perhaps it is your utter contempt for humanity that has you inventing climate processes that will spell it's demise.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-16   13:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: mcgowanjm, All (#66)

Humans no smarter than yeast.

In your case that is most obvious, mcgoon. Where did the gubmint bury the millions of fatalities as a reult of Obama's oil disater? Is the MSM covering up the Gulf Coast evacuation? Where were all the evacuees moved and housed?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-16   15:54:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Ibluafartsky (#73)

mcgoon

Hmmmmm.

Who else calls James mcgoon?

It'll come to me.

Your tag line is stupid.

We The People  posted on  2011-01-16   21:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: We The People, mcgowanjm (#74)

Who else calls James mcgoon?

I don't check many other forums so I can't state unequivocally, but as far as I know, I coined it and appear to be the only one who uses it. I also call him insane, an alarmist and a liar among other things.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-16   22:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: eskimo (#72)

Heat rises. Cold sinks. Planet spins. Humans no smarter than yeast. The end. ;}

LOL!! Perhaps it is your utter contempt for humanity that has you inventing climate processes that will spell it's demise.

And then again, perhaps not, inuit. ;}

Utter Contempt!!??

You, inuit, say w/o flinching, that CO2 does NOT equal HEAT where you live, you refuse to acknowledge the NISDC/NOAA as sources.

So when Pat Robertson/OMFGPalin come out and say, yes, it's time to get aboard Noah's Ark II, you'll be ready to accept.

And you accuse me of utter contempt? So just when do humans adjust ahead of the Ocean of Waste/Limits of Food/Pop Explosion? We're different from yeast how? We talk? LMFAO

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-17   9:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: eskimo (#72)

Heat rises. Cold sinks. Planet spins. Humans no smarter than yeast. The end. ;}

LOL!! Perhaps it is your utter contempt for humanity that has you inventing climate processes that will spell it's demise.

Don't worry. Nothing will be done. Your position will be fine. Until it's not.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-17   9:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: eskimo, inuit, All (#71)

In addition to transporting energy outward to space, convection also distributes the heat across the planet,..

Maybe we are getting somewhere.

No. We're not. At the same time as convection, you've got the heat being transferred via ALL HEAT methods as well.

Distrubution is done equally, true (too bad the Top 50 000 never figure this out btw;} but the Planet Also gets Hotter at the Poles as the distrubution affects 'the cold' there, as in ice melting, for example, more and faster. 8D

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[Texas AG Greg] Abbott: “Congress did not authorize the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases. One of the key greenhouse gases the EPA is regulating is carbon dioxide. It is almost the height of insanity of bureaucracy to have the EPA regulating something that is emitted by all living things.”

So the EPA shouldn’t regulate the discharge from living things. I guess the Texas AG just wants crap all over the place. Literally."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-17   9:46:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: We The People, All (#70)

OK, slow down, take a deep breath, and think about it. Then type it out.

Exactly. Waiting for your response.

LOL!

You may not believe this James, but I like you.

Thank you!!. And I like you too.

A Mutual admiration Society. Yellow Submarine and all. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-17   9:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: We The People (#69)

"Which is why the poles are heating up much more rapidly."

Here then. Read this, friend. ;}

Methane (greenhouse gas 25x potent as CO2) bubbles out 5x faster ... Mar 6, 2010 ... Arctic Ocean seabed is thawing & releasing greenhouse gases. Methane, trapped in the permafrost, 25 times more powerful than carbon dioxide, ...

www.worldculturepictorial.com/.../arctic-heats-thaws-permafrost-sealing-methane-greenh - Cached

2. Arctic Warming - Why the Arctic Warms Faster Than Lower Latitudes ... Why the Arctic Warms Faster Than Lower Latitudes, Observed and Possible ... Fourth, as warming reduces the extent of sea ice, solar heat absorbed by the ... www.libraryindex.com › Global Change - Cached

3. Industrial Pollution heats up Arctic faster - Skadi Forum 2 posts - 1 author - Last post: Mar 30, 2007 Germanic Online Community. Securing Freedom, Social Justice and the Germanic Leitkultur. forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=91588 - Cached Get more discussion results

4. Arctic Warms Twice As Fast As the Rest of the Planet Scientists expect warming of the Arctic land mass to triple, and permafrost thaw to accelerate. More than 2 trillion tons of land ice have melted since 2003 ... www.climateavenue.com/cl.imp.arct.Ell.htm -

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-17   9:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: mcgowanjm (#76)

Utter Contempt!!??

Yes, it is obvious. You need to lose that if you expect rational people to pay any attention to you.

The climate doom cult people have cried wolf too many times, even if you guess right one of these times, you are correct to assume that not many will listen.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-17   11:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: eskimo (#81)

Yes, it is obvious. You need to lose that if you expect rational people to pay any attention to you.

And so. The 'rational people'. And thank you.

And so to MLK and his reply to you and your 'rational people'.

" My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.

We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was “well timed” in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word “Wait!” It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This “Wait” has almost always meant “Never.” We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that “justice too long delayed is justice denied.”

Exactly, Martin. 8D

And I DOn't expect anything from you and your 'rational people'. I expect that my Irrational People will take what we need. LMFAO:

"All this is morally and intellectually clear. It just as clearly applies to our relationship to corporations as well. King discusses it further:

Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal. Let me give another explanation. A law is unjust if it is inflicted on a minority that, as a result of being denied the right to vote, had no part in enacting or devising the law.

Disenfranchisement of a minority by a majority renders the system illegitimate."

And I expect you and your 'rational people' to understand nothing of what I've just posted. Or Martin Luther King was about. ;}

They only call it Class Warfare when the people fight back. ;}

The Human Experiment now collapses. The Planet will be grateful. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-17   12:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: mcgowanjm (#82)

And I expect you and your 'rational people' to understand nothing of what I've just posted.

And, you would be correct to do so. Rambling incoherently in liew of a rational response will cause that almost every time.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-17   12:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: eskimo (#83)

And I expect you and your 'rational people' to understand nothing of what I've just posted.

And, you would be correct to do so.

Here's NOAA 'rambling'.

Tell me which part of this you don't understand. Just for shits and giggles: Ice-Free Arctic Summers Likely Sooner Than Expected

April 2, 2009

Mean sea ice thickness models.

Mean sea ice thickness in meters for March (left) and September (right) based on six models. Top panels: September ice extent reached the current level by these models. Bottom panels: Arctic reached nearly "ice-free summer" conditions.

High resolution (Credit: University of Washington / NOAA)

Summers in the Arctic may be ice-free in as few as 30 years, not at the end of the century as previously expected. The updated forecast is the result of a new analysis of computer models coupled with the most recent summer ice measurements.

“The Arctic is changing faster than anticipated,” said James Overland, an oceanographer at NOAA’s Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and co-author of the study, which will appear April 3 in Geophysical Research Letters. “It’s a combination of natural variability, along with warmer air and sea conditions caused by increased greenhouse gases.”

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-18   9:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: mcgowanjm (#84)

Summers in the Arctic may be ice-free in as few as 30 years, not at the end of the century as previously expected. The updated forecast is the result of a new analysis of computer models coupled with the most recent summer ice measurements.

So the guess changed from nearly a century to 30 years with another year's worth of data and a new computer model. Give me a break.

Here it is colder than average and there is more sea ice that last year; let's wait and see how that affects next year's guess.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-18   10:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: eskimo (#85) (Edited)

So the guess changed from nearly a century to 30 years with another year's worth of data and a new computer model. Give me a break.

And thank you. The problem for you is that this is the State's Official position, which is Already out of date.

Latest:

Page last updated at 10:40 GMT, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 E-mail this to a friend Printable version Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013' By Jonathan Amos Science reporter, BBC News, San Francisco

Arctic summer melting in 2007 set new records

More details

Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Note the Epic Flooding around the S Hemi is not letting up.

www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/18/3115793.htm

The Revolution (see Tunisia;} will not be televised. Neither will the Day After Tomorrow. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-18   11:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: mcgowanjm (#86)

...Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'...

I doubt it.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-18   11:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: eskimo (#87)

...Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'...

I doubt it.

Doubt away.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-01-19   9:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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