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Title: Nonsensical Attempt to Tie Loughner to Conservatives Is Deliberate Strategy
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URL Source: http://rightwingnews.com/2011/01/no ... atives-is-deliberate-strategy/
Published: Jan 11, 2011
Author: right wing news
Post Date: 2011-01-11 09:10:05 by no gnu taxes
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To the extent Jared Loughner's psychotic views have any political coherence, they are decidedly left wing. Yet liberals have raised a deafening chorus attempting to blame conservatives for the incomprehensible horrors he inflicted. This may be a reflexive reaction by truly unhinged moonbats like Hanoi Jane Fonda and Clarence Dupnik, who can be counted on to blame their ideological opponents for any and all misfortunes. But for others, it is part of a deliberate political strategy. Timothy McVeigh brought Bill Clinton's first term back from the dead and made the second possible. The goal is to transform Jared Loughner into Obama's Timothy McVeigh. One veteran Democratic operative, who blames overheated rhetoric for the shooting, said President Barack Obama should carefully but forcefully do what his predecessor did. "They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers," said the Democrat. "Just like the Clinton White House deftly pinned the Oklahoma City bombing on the militia and anti-government people." There being zero evidence of Loughner having anything whatsoever to do with Tea Party politics is an obstacle that progressives hope to overcome with a barrage of the very overheated rhetoric they so piously denounce. With a few loony exceptions, liberal propagandists are perfectly aware that there is no reason to blame conservatives for Loughner. But they are also aware that most people don't follow the news closely, and are swayed by general impressions of the kind being deliberately created when the media implies over and over again that the Tea Party is somehow responsible. In politics, perception is reality — even if that perception is based on lies.
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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Like I said, nothing's gonna change. And 'Waiting for the 'facts' to come out' is only giving the Batshit Crazy time to get their 'act' together. Why is Loughner obsessed with grammar? And a btw. The VERY definition of 'Left Wing Violence' is destruction of infrastructure like the Deepwater Horizon or Military. Civilian Death is almost Always Fascist.
From http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM HOW MANY DID COMMUNIST REGIMES MURDER?* By R.J. Rummel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that I completed this study in November 1993 while still engaged in collecting democide data. Not all the democide totals I mention here may be complete, therefore. For final figures on communist megamurderers, see my summary Table 1.2 in my Death by Government. For all final estimates, see the summary table in Statistics of Democide -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With the passing of communism into history as an ideological alternative to democracy it is time to do some accounting of its human costs. Few would deny any longer that communism--Marxism-Leninism and its variants-- meant in practice bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal gulags and forced labor, fatal deportations, man-made famines, extrajudicial executions and show trials, and genocide. It is also widely known that as a result millions of innocent people have been murdered in cold blood. Yet there has been virtually no concentrated statistical work on what this total might be. For about eight years I have been sifting through thousands of sources trying to determine the extent of democide (genocide and mass murder) in this century. As a result of that effort** I am able to give some conservative figures on what is an unrivaled communist hecatomb, and to compare this to overall world totals. First, however, I should clarify the term democide. It means for governments what murder means for an individual under municipal law. It is the premeditated killing of a person in cold blood, or causing the death of a person through reckless and wanton disregard for their life. Thus, a government incarcerating people in a prison under such deadly conditions that they die in a few years is murder by the state--democide--as would parents letting a child die from malnutrition and exposure be murder. So would government forced labor that kills a person within months or a couple of years be murder. So would government created famines that then are ignored or knowingly aggravated by government action be murder of those who starve to death. And obviously, extrajudicial executions, death by torture, government massacres, and all genocidal killing be murder. However, judicial executions for crimes that internationally would be considered capital offenses, such as for murder or treason (as long as it is clear that these are not fabricated for the purpose of executing the accused, as in communist show trials), are not democide. Nor is democide the killing of enemy soldiers in combat or of armed rebels, nor of noncombatants as a result of military action against military targets. With this understanding of democide, Table 1 lists all communist governments that have committed any form of democide and gives their estimated total domestic and foreign democide and its annual rate (the percent of a government's domestic population murdered per year). It also shows the total for communist guerrillas (including quasi-governments, as of the Mao soviets in China prior to the communist victory in 1949) and the world total for all governments and guerillas (including such quasi-governments as of the White Armies during the Russian civil war in 1917-1922). Figure 1 graphs the communist megamurderers and compares this to the communist and world totals. Of course, eventhough systematically determined and calculated, all these figures and their graph are only rough approximations. Even were we to have total access to all communist archives we still would not be able to calculate precisely how many the communists murdered. Consider that even in spite of the archival statistics and detailed reports of survivors, the best experts still disagree by over 40 percent on the total number of Jews killed by the Nazis. We cannot expect near this accuracy for the victims of communism. We can, however, get a probable order of magnitude and a relative approximation of these deaths within a most likely range. And that is what the figures in Table 1 are meant to be. Their apparent precision is only due to the total for most communist governments being the summation of dozens of subtotals (as of forced labor deaths each year) and calculations (as in extrapolating scholarly estimates of executions or massacres). With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia. Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1. In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it. Figure 2 shows the major sources of death for those murdered under communism and compares this to world totals for each source for this century. A few of these sources require some clarification. Deaths through government terrorism means the killing of specific individuals by assassination, extrajudicial executions, torture, beatings, and such. Massacre, on the other hand, means the indiscriminate mass killing of people, as in soldiers machine gunning demonstrators, or entering a village and killing all of its inhabitants. As used here, genocide is the killing of people because of their ethnicity, race, religion, or language. And democide through deportation is the killing of people during their forced mass transportation to distant regions and their death as a direct result, such as through starvation or exposure. Democidal famine is that which is purposely caused or aggravated by government or which is knowingly ignored and aid to its victims is withheld.
A State is Always by Definition fascist. We've never seen a Communist state. Here's Insurgency, which is almost the Only way you've seen a Left Wing Hit: I threw a cokes and whores party for the bp Monitors in Houston while I replaced Mud with Seawater. Almost effortless. The Perfect Kill Shot. 8D
There is no perfectly capitalist system, nor communist system. Reality (and the desire of some people to want to exert control over others), precludes both in their purest form. However, there are numerous examples of communist states. I could make a list, which of course you'll deny, so I'll not bother. It's enough that we both know you're wrong. 'Nuff said.
It's enough that we both know you're wrong. You would if you you could, but you can't so you won't. 8D But we can all so easily name those fascist entities eh? AAMOF just about every Western Civ State at one time or another. Capitalism for 500 years until we ran out of virgin earth, trees, oil. Now what do we do? "Or, to look at it more optimistically, is this system cannibalism an example of the limits to racketeering?) The federalism and constitutionalism of this looks impossible, but as in the case of mortgages, we’re no longer in the realm of law and order, but might makes right. Again we see how the only obstacle would be the extent to which the courts retain any integrity. Would federal courts accept a case in the first place which is so clearly outside their jurisdiction? States are sovereign in their finances, and the federal government has no authority to put them into bankruptcy. Maybe Gingrich means they should submit to binding arbitration as a privatized bankruptcy tribunal, sort of like a globalization cadre under the shadow of which a government alienates its sovereignty and submits to a “structural adjustment”. That’s exactly what’s suggested here for the states, right? " -volatility 8D
YOU: You would if you you could, but you can't so you won't. We could start off with the two most obvious examples: China, and the former Soviet Union. Because pure communism cannot function in real life, both have already failed, as communist systems. Both turned to modified communism, a.k.a. "socialism." Game. Set. Match.
You can tell me when the revolution happened in China that now makes them our banker. 8D The 'former' is the key word here. I would go with Cuba on a Successful Revolution. Communist, even then, not. "Because pure communism cannot function in real life, both have already failed..." Pure? LMFAO I mention this because as 2010 comes to a close, it appears that for the fifth year in a row the peak production year of 2005–in which the world produced oil at a rate of 73.718 mbpd–will once again not be exceeded. This is truly an astonishing result given that the new pricing era for oil began in 2004. For over five years national oil companies and publicly traded oil companies have been free to sell oil into an ever-rising price environment. What’s more intriguing is that OPEC–which currently accounts for about 42% of global supply– has been roughly steady in producing 30-31 mbpd while Non-OPEC, accounting for the majority of world supply at 58% has struggled with decline. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/declining-oil-production-mexico-canada-2011-1#ixzz1AyHGFN00 A 500 year civilization faltering. A quick fall back to Feudalism underway as we speak: "He so much reminded me of Ceau_escu in his last days." And then TEOTWAKI: the rate of increase in atmospheric CO2 is unprecedented in Earth’s history.
#23. To: mcgowanjm (#22)
I got halfway through the first sentence, and realized you're simply talking more shit. Back to bozo you go. Bye-bye.
If anything has to be taken on faith—if it can’t be analyzed, its premises scrutinized, and the overall argument judged to be sound or unsound—then it’s really no argument at all. I have the argument that explains why fiscal deficits happen. Moreover, I can explain why fiscal deficits occur in a democracy in a manner which is different from any other sort of regime. My theory can explain why fiscal debts in a democracy grow once they start, and I can explain why this growth in debt inevitably, inexorably leads to the bankruptcy of the democratic regime. Further, I can prove—by sound and valid argumentation—that the United States is going bankrupt right now because of this process.
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#7. To: mcgowanjm (#2)
Civilian Death is almost Always Fascist.
BULLSHIT.
#11. To: Capitalist Eric (#7)
#19. To: mcgowanjm (#11)
We've never seen a Communist state.
#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#19)
However, there are numerous examples of communist states. I could make a list, which of course you'll deny, so I'll not bother.
#21. To: mcgowanjm (#20)
ME: However, there are numerous examples of communist states. I could make a list, which of course you'll deny, so I'll not bother. It's enough that we both know you're wrong.
#22. To: Capitalist Eric (#21)
Game. Set. Match. China, and the former Soviet Union.
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