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Title: Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting
Source: Lez Get Real
URL Source: http://lezgetreal.com/2011/01/right ... igate-damage-from-az-shooting/
Published: Jan 10, 2011
Author: Bridgette P. LaVictoire
Post Date: 2011-01-10 18:23:05 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 85166
Comments: 115

When Jared Lee Loughner opened fire on a group of Representative Gabrielle Giffords’ constituents, it was not on the orders of anyone specific, but it was after more than two years of demonization coming from within the Right that had been largely ignored and rarely denounced from within the Conservatives of the United States. Right now, there is a push to mitigate the damage done to the Conservatives by Loughner’s actions, but it is not likely to succeed. The extreme and violent rhetoric has been seen to have come from the Right, and the American public are not going to be dissuaded from saying that enough is enough.

That it took the deaths of six- including a nine year old girl- to bring this nation to this point is horrific. Now the question is, was this act by Loughner a Kent State or a Fort Sumpter?

There are those on the Right who are trying to push back. They are trying to link Jared Lee Loughner to the Left using often flimsy evidence and Glenn Beck talking points. Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center feels that it may be difficult to directly link Loughner to the Right, but his rhetoric is that of the Right.

Yesterday, LGR looked at how Loughner’s beliefs matched up with those of Ron Paul on the Gold Standard, and various people on the Right with regards to the PC Thought Police. I forgot one detail- the destruction of the Contitution.

For as much as the Tea Party and the Right wants to wrap themselves up in the Constitution, they do a good job of advocating the repeal of much of it. For instance, this from Talking Points Memo regarding the repeal of the 17th Amendment:

The “Repeal The 17th” movement is a vocal part of the overall tea party structure. Supporters of the plan say that ending the public vote for Senators would give the states more power to protect their own interests in Washington (and of course, give all of us “more liberty” in the process.) As their process of “vetting” candidates, some tea party groups have required candidates to weigh in on the idea of repeal in questionnaires. And that’s where the trouble starts.

How about the attempt to repeal all or part of the 14th Amendment? Here is an interview between TPM and John McCain:

TPMDC asked, “Do you support the Minority Leader’s push for hearings into the repeal of birthright citizenship?”

“Sure, why not?” McCain said briefly.

“Do you support the idea itself?”

“I support the idea of having hearings,” McCain said.

“Do you have a problem with the 14th amendment?” another reporter asked.

“You’re changing the constitution of the United States,” McCain said. “I support the concept of holding hearings.”

“I support the concept of holding hearings,” McCain repeated, turning to the rail car conductor.

“Let’s go!” he snapped.

“I don’t have anything to add to that.”

While many who advocate for these ideas know that it is impossible to really repeal those, and it would be a major mess to do so, there is always that one mind who thinks that if it does not happen, then they government is not listening, and violence is called for. Potok of the SPLC was quoted by TPM as having said:

“When you look at the Internet material he purportedly produced, the first impression you get is that the 22-year-old now in custody for the shooting of 19 people in Tucson was completely out of his mind, or at least mildly deranged. His writings will be virtually impossible for most people to understand, what with his references to unexplained numbers, his fondness for weird syllogisms, his unexplained references and his apparent semi-literacy.”

“At this early stage, I think Loughner is probably best described as a mentally ill or unstable person who was influenced by the rhetoric and demonizing propaganda around him. Ideology may not explain why he allegedly killed, but it could help explain how he selected his target.”

The rhetoric has been to the extreme, and it has caused so many problems. While there has been some of this on the Left, often that has been condemned and squashed within hours or a day of it having been said. LGR played its part in putting a lid on the extreme rhetoric and calls for violence within the LGBT Community.

Those on the Right did not give the order, but they played a part in creating a situation where this happened. The reason why it was hard- impossible in fact- for the Right to blame Al Gore for the shooting at the Discovery Channel’s headquarters is because he never used militaristic rhetoric to defend the need for global climate change legislation the way that the Right have used it to defend their beliefs in the destruction of the Constitution, the return of the gold standard, and the abolition of the ‘PC Thought Police’.

There is a perception now that those who are violent on the Right have the tacit blessing of their side while those who are violent on the Left do not.

If the Right wants to make amends now, the best thing is to change the rhetoric, tone it down, and discuss these issues like a rational person.Lez Get Real Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade*

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting

How come? The shooter was a liberal Democrat Like you, you know.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-10   19:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Rudgear (#1)

The shooter was a liberal Democrat...

Nonsense.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2011-01-10   19:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rudgear (#1)

How come? The shooter was a liberal Democrat Like you, you know.

Wrong again, pinhead. Are you trying to set a new record for being totally wrong the most times in 24 hours? If so, you can quit because you've already done it.

"Jared Lee Loughner was a registered independent, didn't vote in 2010 election By Chris Cillizza

Suspected Tucson gunman Jared Lee Loughner registered as an independent voter in Arizona in the fall of 2006, according to the Pima County Registrar of Voters.

Loughner registered to vote on Sept. 29, 2006, identifying himself as an independent. Records show he voted in the 2006 and 2008 elections but is current listed as "inactive" on the state's voter roles -- meaning that he did not vote in November.

The political affiliations of Loughner, who is being charged by state and federal authorities with the shooting of Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D) as well as 19 other victims outside a Tucson grocery store on Saturday, have become the subject of a white-hot partisan debate in recent days.

In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, liberals sought to paint Loughner as an anti-government, tea party conservative. Conservatives retorted that Loughner lacked anything close to a coherent political philosophy -- a case strengthened by subsequent glimpses into his personal life that suggests someone struggling with mental illness.

Loughner's decision to affiliate as an independent rather than a Republican or Democrat would seem to affirm the sense that while he targeted Giffords in the attack, it was not a decision born of a set of deeply held political beliefs that fit neatly into either party." http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/house/jared-lee-loughner-was-a-regis.html

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   19:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rudgear (#1)

Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting

How come? The shooter was a liberal Democrat Like you, you know.

Correct! A liberal crazy went bonkers at a liberal/socialist political gathering. The political "left" needs to be scrambling to effect some damage control. Perhaps denial of the problem and blaming events on someone else is their way of doing that.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   20:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: eskimo (#4)

Not correct at all.

See post #3.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   20:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Skip Intro (#5)

The crazy guy was said to work for the Giffords campaign in 2007.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   20:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: eskimo (#6)

The crazy guy was said to work for the Giffords campaign in 2007.

Truth to these people is like garlic to a werewolf. Kind of funny watching them recoil.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-10   20:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Skip Intro (#5)

Those who knew the crazy guy have stated that he was politically liberal.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   20:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Rudgear (#7)

Truth to these people is like garlic to a werewolf. Kind of funny watching them recoil.

This is unbelievable. It is like they are in a different dimension and our reality is unknown to them.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   20:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Skip Intro (#3) (Edited)

Suspected Tucson gunman Jared Lee Loughner registered as an independent voter in Arizona in the fall of 2006, according to the Pima County Registrar of Voters.

Probably a Ralph Nader independent, conceived in the back of a Corvair van. As boss of GM, hObama must assume full responsibility. He should have provided an abortion kit as standard equipment.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-01-10   20:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: eskimo (#9)

This is unbelievable. It is like they are in a different dimension and our reality is unknown to them.

Their whole lives and beliefs are built upon lies. Do you think they can face that horrible fact this late in their lives? They have no respect for truth to the point of no longer being able to even recognize it.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-10   20:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

LOL. The leftist loons never give up.

Jared Lee Loughner said his favorite book was the Communist Manifesto.

His college classmates call him a left-wing pothead.

The last thing that Representative Giffords did was to vote against Nancy Pelosi for Speaker.

Who was actually killed? Among others, a Conservative Federal Judge.

Last year a left wing loon flew his airplane into a federal building in Texas. The left hastily tried to blame the “Tea Party” too. Wrong again.

Oh, and they tried to blame John Kennedy's assassination on the right too. Unfortunately, Oswald was Castro supporting left-wing lunatic who spent time in the Soviet Union.

The left commits violence and then they try to blame their opponents. Nothing ever changes. It's the way the world works.


"It's very important to remember the law is not simply what powerful people would want others to believe it is." -- Julian Assange

jwpegler  posted on  2011-01-10   20:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Rudgear, eskimo, Skip Intro (#11)

Their [liberals] whole lives and beliefs are built upon lies. Do you think they can face that horrible fact this late in their lives? They have no respect for truth to the point of no longer being able to even recognize it.

I have a question for you, Rudgear: are you a pristine, conservative wall-flower tacked on the wall about EVERYTHING in your life?

This liberal-conservative tug 'o war that Rush Limbaugh claims is silly. It discounts reality and doesn't address the REAL world around us.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-10   20:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo, Rudgear, Skip Intro (#13)

It discounts reality and doesn't address the REAL world around us.

Why don't you address "the REAL world around us" and admit that the liberal/socialist types have begun to eat themselves and they need to be brought back to the realm of sanity before they destroy yet another society on this planet.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   21:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#13)

are you a pristine, conservative wall-flower tacked on the wall about EVERYTHING in your life?

Would you mind translating that into English?

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-10   21:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: eskimo (#6)

The crazy guy was said to work for the Giffords campaign in 2007.

Link?

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   21:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: jwpegler (#12)

Jared Lee Loughner said his favorite book was the Communist Manifesto.

No, he didn't. It was listed among a dozen or so other books. He gave it no special emphasis.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   21:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: eskimo (#8)

Those who knew the crazy guy have stated that

he was crazy and they feared he'd be bringing a gun to school.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   21:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rudgear (#15)

Do you claim that you are a "conservative" and live with every breath you take a conservative life style?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-10   21:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: jwpegler (#12) (Edited)

Who was actually killed? Among others, a Conservative Federal Judge.

Targeted two years ago by Hate Radio for death because of an immigration decision, and given federal protection because of it.

Would you like a link?

No?

Well, here it is anyway.

" U.S. District Judge John Roll faced death threats in 2009

Jan. 8, 2011 03:49 PM The Arizona Republic

The killing of U.S. District Judge John M. Roll comes two years after he received death threats while he presided over a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher.

When Roll ruled the case could go forward, U.S. Marshal David Gonzales said in 2009 that talk-radio shows cranked up the controversy and spurred audiences into making threats.

In one afternoon, Roll logged more than 200 phone calls. Callers threatened the judge and his family. They posted personal information about Roll online.

"They said, 'We should kill him. He should be dead,'" Gonzales said.

In an interview with The Arizona Republic in mid-2009, Roll, who was the chief federal judge in Arizona, said both he and his wife were given a protection detail for about a month."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/08/20110108giffords-roll-backgrounder-on.html

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   21:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Skip Intro (#16)

Link?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=249381

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   22:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Skip Intro (#18)

he was crazy and they feared he'd be bringing a gun to school.

What, you can not bring yourself to realize that liberal/socialist psycho's have guns too. In what kind of fantasy realm do you live?

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   22:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: eskimo (#21)

Sorry, World Nut Daily isn't a legitimate news source.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   22:23:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Skip Intro (#23)

LOL!! That's exactly what I expected from you. Reality is not legitimate as far as you are concerned.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   22:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: eskimo (#24)

If you think this is a legitimate news source, I'm glad you live far away from me.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   22:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Skip Intro (#25)

And Im glad Im nowear near Escanaba.

Boofer After 5  posted on  2011-01-10   22:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Skip Intro (#25)

LOL!! Not nearly as happy as I am.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   23:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: eskimo (#27)

LOL!! Not nearly as happy as I am.

LOL! That's silly.

How can you live far away from you?

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   23:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Skip Intro (#28)

LOL!! You are so childish.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   23:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: eskimo, Skip Intro (#29)

LOL!! You are so childish.

Skidmark is that way because he is a mentally defective.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-10   23:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: eskimo (#29)

LOL! You use LOL! way too much for someone over 10.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   23:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Skip Intro (#31)

LOL! You use LOL! way too much for someone over 10.

LOL!! I can't help it. Conversing with you is like responding "who's there" when my younger grandchildren make up nonsensical knock-knock jokes.

eskimo  posted on  2011-01-10   23:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Skip Intro, *Border Invasion* (#20)

VERIFIED CRIMINAL COMPLAINT

Complainant hereby formally charges the following named

individuals, both jointly and severally, with the corresponding

crimes enumerated infra:

Mr. John M. Roll with:

(1) obstructing correspondence transmitted via first class,

certified, and registered United States Mail, under color of

law (25 counts), in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1702;

(2) tampering with a federal grand jury (25 counts), in

violation of 18 U.S.C. 1512;

(3) obstruction of criminal investigations (25 counts), in

violation of 18 U.S.C. 1510;

(4) deprivation of fundamental Rights under color of law,

specifically the Right to Petition a federal grand jury for

a formal investigation (25 counts), in violation of 18

U.S.C. 242;

(5) conspiracy to commit all of the above (25 counts), in

violation of 18 U.S.C. 241 and 371;

(6) perjury before a judicial proceeding in the United States

District Court (2 counts), in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1623.

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/roll/nadappea.htm#napolitano1512


An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.

Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.

His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.

Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.

The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.

Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.

The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."

In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."

The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury.

www.washingtontimes.com/n...ue-arizona-rancher/print/

He was a corrupt reconquista judge. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The poor rancher Barnett ended up paying the illegal invaders $70,000, for the privilege of turning them over to the Border Patrol for deportation.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-01-11   0:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Brian S (#0)

What a crock of absolute shit. Tap dancing like a MoFo in a desperate attempt to gain political mileage out of murder,while trying to shift the blame from the left to the right.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-11   1:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Brian S (#2)

The shooter was a liberal Democrat...

Nonsense.

So,you think he is a conservatie because he voted for Acting President Soetoro and supported Pelosi as Speaker to the point where he wrote about the Congresswoman,"She is dead to me" for not supporting Pelosi?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-11   2:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Skip Intro (#3)

"Jared Lee Loughner was a registered independent, didn't vote in 2010 election By Chris Cillizza

Nice try. Who did he vote for in 2008,and why was he mad at the Congresswoman?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-11   2:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: hondo68 (#10)

Probably a Ralph Nader independent, conceived in the back of a Corvair van. As boss of GM, hObama must assume full responsibility. He should have provided an abortion kit as standard equipment.

More likely a Conservative independent, you know, the kind that believes no candidate is Conservative enough - the Tea Party sort.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   9:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#36)

Nice try. Who did he vote for in 2008,and why was he mad at the Congresswoman?

Unless he tells us, we're unlikely to know - secret ballot and all.

He was mad at the government, the Congresswoman represented government to him.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   9:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#19) (Edited)

Yes. In outlook and action I endorse the conservative lifestyle. What's the point in holding values if you don't live them? That's something you lefties cannot grasp. Being conservative means holding values above 'isms' to the point you abandoning the Republican party for it's departure from those values. Liberalism means jettisoning values that conflict with party boilerplate and tolerating everything to remain one of the Party faithful. It is the ultimate 'ism'.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   9:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rudgear (#39)

Yes. In outlook and action I endorse the conservative lifestyle. What's the point in holding values if you don't live them? That's something you lefties cannot grasp. Being conservative means holding values above 'isms' to the point you abandoning the Republican party for it's departure from those values.

Its a good thing to live according to one's values; its not such a good thing to demand others live according to them.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   10:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#40)

Its a good thing to live according to one's values; its not such a good thing to demand others live according to them.

Uh, you just said its good I live by my values but its not good to ask others to live by values. So what you are saying is its not good to live by values?

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   10:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Rudgear (#41)

Uh, you just said its good I live by my values but its not good to ask others to live by values. So what you are saying is its not good to live by values?

No.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   10:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rudgear (#39)

es. In outlook and action I endorse the conservative lifestyle. What's the point in holding values if you don't live them? That's something you lefties cannot grasp. Being conservative means holding values above 'isms' to the point you abandoning the Republican party for it's departure from those values. Liberalism means jettisoning values that conflict with party boilerplate and tolerating everything to remain one of the Party faithful. It is the ultimate 'ism'.

What exactly do you mean by holding values? What is your political party association? Whom did you vote as POTUS in the last election?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   12:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#43)

What exactly do you mean by holding values?

My values are emanate from the Ten Commandments. Before you scream about separation of church and state, the laws of the west are a codification of those Commandments. The laws the left are trying to pass are an attempt to overturn those values for a suicide pact. The left is engaged in destruction of society to build a more communist lie in its place. Since Communism is manifestly wrong and unworkable, the left is insane.

What is your political party association?

Independent.

Whom did you vote as POTUS in the last election?

I voted independent.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   13:18:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Rudgear (#44)

My values are emanate from the Ten Commandments.

The Ten Commandments are just a small subset of moral principles; they are religious in background for history and philosophical considerations and most people around the world irrespective of cultural/country origin practice the same so you are in good company. But, I asked about "conservative" values; the question is inferred from my post near the top of the thread.

Before you scream about separation of church and state, the laws of the west are a codification of those Commandments.

Wrong on two counts. First, you are making an assumption about "screaming", and second, you are basing "laws of the West" on the Ten Commandments.

I shall agree the some laws include those religious values but not all.

The laws the left are trying to pass are an attempt to overturn those values for a suicide pact. The left is engaged in destruction of society to build a more communist lie in its place. Since Communism is manifestly wrong and unworkable, the left is insane.

I don't understand this set of ideas. I asked about your conservative values not your considerations of anything else. Please tell me what are conservative values.

Thank you.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   13:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Rudgear (#44)

My values are emanate from the Ten Commandments.

Really?

Have you read this one: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-11   13:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: go65 (#46)

Yes I have. Where am I bearing false witness? I'm not the one trying to pin this terrible incident on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, or the right in general. Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in. Jared Loughner is a Democrat. He supported this President and Nancy Lugosi. Deal with it.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   14:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Rudgear (#47)

I'm not the one trying to pin this terrible incident on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, or the right in general.

Why are you so defensive?

Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in.

He was a madman. How do you know what he read and acted upon?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   14:09:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: buckeroo (#48)

Why are you so defensive?

I'm not defensive. I'm fed up with you liberals refusing to admit this creep was one of you.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   14:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rudgear (#49)

You seem to miss my core questions in your posts and only answer the ones that pick & choose. Why is that? Are you evading direct questions about being conservative?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   14:54:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#50)

You seem to miss my core questions in your posts

No I answered ALL your questions. YOU don't like the answers. Your fault, not mine.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   15:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Rudgear (#47)

? I'm not the one trying to pin this terrible incident on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, or the right in general. Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in. Jared Loughner is a Democrat. He supported this President and Nancy Lugosi. Deal with it.

your constant cries of "he's a left winger" are simply untrue.

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-11   15:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Rudgear (#51)

Rudgear: Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in.

buckeroo: He was a madman. How do you know what he read and acted upon?

Please answer the question. After that one is answered I shall work my way up the thread.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   15:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: go65 (#52)

Yeah. Voting for Hussein Soetoro, supporting Nancy Lugosi and setting up a satanic shrine in his backyard are all hallmarks of the right? You are insane.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   15:09:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: buckeroo (#53)

Don't tell me what to do, lunatic. Any question you have has been answered. Start facing reality you delusional fool.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   15:10:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Rudgear (#55)

Rudgear: Some mentally unstable left winger took the rhetoric too far and acted on in.

buckeroo: He was a madman. How do you know what he read and acted upon?

Please answer the question. After that one is answered I shall work my way up the thread.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-01-11   15:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Rudgear (#54)

Yeah. Voting for Hussein Soetoro, supporting Nancy Lugosi and setting up a satanic shrine in his backyard are all hallmarks of the right? You are insane.

You know how he voted?

Or are you again violating the ten commandments?

Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.

go65  posted on  2011-01-11   15:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lucysmom (#38)

Unless he tells us, we're unlikely to know - secret ballot and all.

LOL! It's easy to see why you are a Dim.

He was mad at the government, the Congresswoman represented government to him.

He was mad at her for not being Dim enough.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-11   19:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: sneakypete (#58)

Does your heart go out to Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the rest, Pete? I mean, they seem to feel that they need to defend themselves rather than mourn for those lost, and try to change in a manner that would make them more civil.

Do you think that maybe it is because a more civil tone in political discussion would put them out of business?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-11   19:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#58)

He was mad at her for not being Dim enough.

Specifically, what do you base that on?

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   20:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: lucysmom (#60)

Specifically, what do you base that on?

"My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!"

That's enough for everybody else, even though it isn't enough for you.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-11   20:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Rudgear (#61)

"My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!"

The shooter wrote that? I thought it was boyblue.

Did you know one of Jerad's favorite books is “We the Living” by Ayn Rand?

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   21:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ferret Mike (#59)

Does your heart go out to Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the rest, Pete?

No. Why should it? What have they done?

I mean, they seem to feel that they need to defend themselves rather than mourn for those lost, and try to change in a manner that would make them more civil.

Total bullBush. They are pissed because you leftists are doing your damndest to blame THEM for what one of your own did. Who can blame them?

Do you think that maybe it is because a more civil tone in political discussion would put them out of business?

No. It would definitely put the left out of business,though.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-11   22:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#60)

He was mad at her for not being Dim enough.

Specifically, what do you base that on?

His own words.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-11   22:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: sneakypete (#64)

His own words.

Which words? Grammar? Dreaming? Do those words speak to you in some kind of code?

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   22:32:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: lucysmom (#65)

Which words? Grammar? Dreaming? Do those words speak to you in some kind of code?

How freaking stupid ARE you,anyway? YOU are the one using code,and you use some sort of special Dim Code to turn plain words into something impossible to understand.

Try "She didn't support Pelosi for Speaker,and she is dead to me."

The typical 3rd grader can understand those words.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-12   10:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: sneakypete (#66)

Try "She didn't support Pelosi for Speaker,and she is dead to me."

No results found for "She didn't support Pelosi for Speaker,and she is dead to me."

Why don't you just provide a link to whatever it is your talking about.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-12   11:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lucysmom (#67)

Imbecile.

Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-12   11:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: lucysmom (#67)

Why don't you just provide a link to whatever it is your talking about.

Here is a link to the deleted Daily Kos page.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!

Here is a link to his face book page. Note the people he admires. I suspect they are the same people you admire.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8946/fb001.jpg

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-12   11:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: sneakypete (#69)

Here is a link to the deleted Daily Kos page.

Are you claiming Jerad is Blue Boy? It was Blue Boy who wrote "My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!", not Jerad.

by BoyBlue
Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST

EDIT NOTE: I initially deleted this diary out of sensitivity to the victims of Saturday's Tucson shooting, including my Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords, who is now courageously fighting for her life at UMC. I undeleted because this has been twisted and distorted by not only the right wing blogs, but also the mainstream media as an example of a vitriolic statement from the progressives that is somehow the equal of what Sarah Palin, Sharron Angle, Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Boortz, and other far-right stokers of vitriol, anger, and hatred have said and written. Which I believe can and does influence people, especially the already unstable to carry out acts of violence...perhaps even the exact shooting in Tucson on Saturday.

And didn't we already talk about the phrase "dead to me" meaning "disowned", not literal death?

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8946/fb001.jpg

I think that's one of them fake facebook pages this guy writes about

http://habledash.com/index.php?o...=47:latest-news&Itemid=65

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-12   12:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Rudgear (#68)

Imbecile.

From you, I take that as high praise, thank you!

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-12   12:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

Which Right wing are they talking about?

The one that puts Americans last, supports illegals, globalist corporations, endless wars, open borders, massive debts, massive 'legal' immigration and billions in welfare for illegals and Wall Street?

Jack  posted on  2011-01-12   12:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: lucysmom (#70)

And didn't we already talk about the phrase "dead to me" meaning "disowned", not literal death?

Yet "targeted for defeat" means murder them?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-12   17:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: sneakypete (#73)

Yet "targeted for defeat" means murder them?

When paired with an image of a gun sight (is that what Sarah is calling it today?) yes.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-12   19:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: lucysmom (#74) (Edited)

When paired with an image of a gun sight (is that what Sarah is calling it today?) yes.

Is this true when Dims do the same thing?

How about when Acting President Soetoro,"The one you have been waiting for!" tells supporters to get out and get in the faces of political opponents,and "When they bring a knife to a fight,we bring a gun!"

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-12   20:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: sneakypete (#75)

Is this true when Dims do the same thing?

Of course it is.

How about when Acting President Soetoro,"The one you have been waiting for!" tells supporters to get out and get in the faces of political opponents,and "When they bring a knife to a fight,we bring a gun!"

Ping me when a president Soetoro is elected.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-13   0:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: lucysmom (#76)

Ping me when a president Soetoro is elected.

I would,but so far nobody by that name or any of his aliases has been legally elected.

That doesn't seem to bother you at all,though.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-13   15:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: lucysmom (#74)

When paired with an image of a gun sight

Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.

Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   15:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: no gnu taxes (#78)

Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.

He called her "Dead to me" and said he'd no longer support her. Not quite what you're implying there, Eric.

You are slightly better than your idiot cohort Rudgear, though, who keeps insisting that the shooter himself posted that.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-13   15:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: no gnu taxes (#78)

Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.

Funny. Palin herself called them bulls-eyes and targets.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-13   15:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Skip Intro (#79)

"Dead to me"

That's pretty strong language. Can prove Loughner didn't see that and get the idea to try and kill her because of it?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   16:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: no gnu taxes (#81)

Can prove Loughner didn't see that and get the idea to try and kill her because of it?

I see were back to the old birther tactic of demanding proof of a negative. Just plain stupid.

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-13   16:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Skip Intro (#82)

And yet you moonbats are asking for proof that Palin's map markers are not the cause of the mass murder.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   16:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Brian S (#0)

When Jared Lee Loughner opened fire on a group of Representative Gabrielle Giffords’ constituents, it was not on the orders of anyone specific, but it was after more than two years of demonization coming from within the Right that had been largely ignored and rarely denounced from within the Conservatives of the United States.

What bullshit.

Still trying your "newspeak" and "doublethink" methods, eh?

The only people of sufficiently low intelligence to fall for this crap, are SOCIALISTS (who are, by defintion, insane).

In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.

Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-13   16:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: no gnu taxes (#83)

And yet you moonbats are asking for proof that Palin's map markers are not the cause of the mass murder.

Where did I ask for proof about anything, padlock?

“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-13   16:25:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Skip Intro (#85)

What's the point of continuously bringing it up if you are not demanding proof of a negative?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   16:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Rudgear (#49)

I'm fed up with you liberals refusing to admit this creep was one of you.

See the quotes in my signature.

It explains the libs/socialists perfectly.

In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.

Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-13   16:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: go65 (#52)

your constant cries of "he's a left winger" are simply untrue.

Provide proof that he was NOT a left-winger, and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.

Until then, your attempts to pin the actions of another left-wing loon on the Tea Party, the GOP or anyone else of a conservative bent, is an example of mental masturbation on your part.

In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.

Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-01-13   16:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: no gnu taxes, lucysmom, All idiot liberals (#78)

When paired with an image of a gun sight

Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.

Crosshairs in a firearm scope do NOT extend outside of the tube, you fookin idiot liberal pinheads!

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   16:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Ibluafartsky (#89)

Crosshairs in a firearm scope do NOT extend outside of the tube, you fookin idiot liberal pinheads!

Doesn't matter anymore.

The MSM mission was accomplished in linking Palin to this tradegy. Had she taken the advise given to her months ago to take down the graphic, she wouldn't be in this 'situation', now would she.

No, you can't spin this one. Cows have done left the barn but the roosters are coming home to roost on the Palin charade.

{{{chuckle}}}

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2011-01-13   16:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: no gnu taxes (#78)

Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.

Is Bob Beckel a cartographer?

If the symbols are map markers you should be able to tell me exactly what they symbolize.

Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.

Do you mean the "dead to me" quote? We've been through that several times.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-13   16:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Brian S (#90)

Doesn't matter anymore.

That you liberals are fookin idiots?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   17:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Capitalist Eric (#88)

Until then, your attempts to pin the actions of another left-wing loon on the Tea Party, the GOP or anyone else of a conservative bent, is an example of mental masturbation on your part.

To continue to insist that violent imagery can be used against specific groups or persons without effect is stupid beyond belief.

Please tell me if violent language has no impact, why use it? What's the point?

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-13   17:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Ibluafartsky, Brian S (#92)

Doesn't matter anymore.

That you liberals are fookin idiots?

You're talking over his head again Brian, he doesn't get it.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-13   17:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: lucysmom, Brian S (#94)

You're talking over his head again Brian, he doesn't get it.

I get you fookin vile, insipid, hateful, obnoxious, lying assholes, lucy.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   17:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Ibluafartsky (#95)

I get you fookin vile, insipid, hateful, obnoxious, lying assholes, lucy.

Am I supposed to be impressed with your intelligent use of the language?

Don't worry, no one's going to take away your right to wallow in filth.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-13   17:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: lucysmom (#96)

Am I supposed to be impressed with your intelligent use of the language?

Am I suppose to be impressed with your stupidity and hatred?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   17:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: lucysmom (#91)

If the symbols are map markers you should be able to tell me exactly what they symbolize.

How about locations of Congressional districts? Only the terminally stupid would think they were representing assasinations.

Do you mean the "dead to me" quote? We've been through that several times.

We? You got a rat in your pocket? That's pretty violent sounding language when there are so many nutjobs out there. Shouldn't you moonbats be toning down your rhetoric?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   17:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Ibluafartsky (#97)

Am I suppose to be impressed with your stupidity and hatred?

It never occurred to me that I could impress you, oh great one.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-13   17:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: no gnu taxes (#98)

How about locations of Congressional districts? Only the terminally stupid would think they were representing assasinations.

So you're telling me that they are standard symbols for congressional districts?

That's pretty violent sounding language when there are so many nutjobs out there. Shouldn't you moonbats be toning down your rhetoric?

I have come around to believing you are right. Using the phrase "dead to me" assumes a certain level of cultural literacy. It is a mistake to overestimate the intelligence of one's audience.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-13   17:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: lucysmom (#99)

It never occurred to me that I could impress you,

Do you believe stupidity and hatred are impressive characteristics??

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   17:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Ibluafartsky (#101)

Do you believe stupidity and hatred are impressive characteristics??

Works for me! (grin)

I went to pilates and then gave myself a Hummer.

Boofer After 5  posted on  2011-01-13   19:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: lucysmom (#100)

So you're telling me that they are standard symbols for congressional districts?

Why Should they be?

Using the phrase "dead to me" assumes a certain level of cultural literacy.

Totally undermined by the same people who think that every single "crossmark" symbol is a call for assasination. If you think that there are people out there who think a crossmark symbol is a code for violence, surely you must think there are people out there who would think a phrase like dead to me is a call for violence.

But you libtards ARE NEVER honest.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   19:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Ibluafartsky (#101)

Do you believe stupidity and hatred are impressive characteristics??

Well naturally I don't see myself the way you see me.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-13   20:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: lucysmom (#104)

Well naturally I don't see myself the way you see me

How am I to judge other than by what you post?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   20:50:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Ibluafartsky (#105)

"How am I to judge other than by what you post?"

If you liked what she said, you would still bait her for her words. That is why you are here, to bait and try to abuse. There is only your mission to come here and try to trash people.

You don't believe in debate and discussion unless it's done in the choir where all participants are in political lock step with one another.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   20:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Ferret Mike (#106)

you would still bait her You don't believe in debate and discussion

I don't allow others to do my thinking or speak for me, mustelid. Especially leftard socialist like you.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   21:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Ibluafartsky (#107)

"I don't allow others to do my thinking or speak for me, mustelid."

Yeah, why, you even open yer own beers fer Petes' sake. ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   21:14:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Ferret Mike (#108)

You had longer hair in your prior photo. Nice informative tats, mustelid.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   21:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Ibluafartsky (#109)

Though you really should let your girl open her own beers to help slow her intake a wee bit.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   21:31:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Ferret Mike (#110)

I see you don't respect women either. You did say you weren't married to a woman, didn't you mustelid?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   21:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Ibluafartsky (#111)

"I see you don't respect women either."

The day you take M. Doggie Dawg to task for his use of the 'C' word and other sexist talk is the day I will take that one seriously.

ROTFLMAOAY!

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-01-13   21:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Ferret Mike (#112)

The day you take M. Doggie Dawg to task

I don't listen to rappers.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2011-01-13   21:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: no gnu taxes (#103)

Totally undermined by the same people who think that every single "crossmark" symbol is a call for assasination. If you think that there are people out there who think a crossmark symbol is a code for violence, surely you must think there are people out there who would think a phrase like dead to me is a call for violence.

Context is everything otherwise you wouldn't persist in separating the words "dead to me" from their context in an attempt to impose a meaning different from what was intended.

I don't believe that Sarah is responsible for the shootings in Tucson, However, her violent imagery was intentional, designed to appeal to a segment of the population that love their guns, and hate their government. Despite immediate criticism Sarah was content to let the imagery stand, neither changing the symbols or words, nor explaining a more benign intention.

As it happened, the woman Sarah identified by name and located on a map with "crosshairs" was shot - the imagery isn't so clever anymore.

My question again is, now that we're confronted with the real life meaning of the words and symbols that have been popular in certain circles, do we want to keep using them?

I am free to do all things; but not all things are wise.

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-14   13:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Ibluafartsky (#105)

How am I to judge other than by what you post?

You need to take responsibility for your own schema.

http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/schema.htm

For instance, I own up to the fact that I have trouble taking seriously anything someone calling himself "Ibluafartsky".

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-14   13:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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