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Title: Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting
Source: Lez Get Real
URL Source: http://lezgetreal.com/2011/01/right ... igate-damage-from-az-shooting/
Published: Jan 10, 2011
Author: Bridgette P. LaVictoire
Post Date: 2011-01-10 18:23:05 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 84075
Comments: 115

When Jared Lee Loughner opened fire on a group of Representative Gabrielle Giffords’ constituents, it was not on the orders of anyone specific, but it was after more than two years of demonization coming from within the Right that had been largely ignored and rarely denounced from within the Conservatives of the United States. Right now, there is a push to mitigate the damage done to the Conservatives by Loughner’s actions, but it is not likely to succeed. The extreme and violent rhetoric has been seen to have come from the Right, and the American public are not going to be dissuaded from saying that enough is enough.

That it took the deaths of six- including a nine year old girl- to bring this nation to this point is horrific. Now the question is, was this act by Loughner a Kent State or a Fort Sumpter?

There are those on the Right who are trying to push back. They are trying to link Jared Lee Loughner to the Left using often flimsy evidence and Glenn Beck talking points. Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center feels that it may be difficult to directly link Loughner to the Right, but his rhetoric is that of the Right.

Yesterday, LGR looked at how Loughner’s beliefs matched up with those of Ron Paul on the Gold Standard, and various people on the Right with regards to the PC Thought Police. I forgot one detail- the destruction of the Contitution.

For as much as the Tea Party and the Right wants to wrap themselves up in the Constitution, they do a good job of advocating the repeal of much of it. For instance, this from Talking Points Memo regarding the repeal of the 17th Amendment:

The “Repeal The 17th” movement is a vocal part of the overall tea party structure. Supporters of the plan say that ending the public vote for Senators would give the states more power to protect their own interests in Washington (and of course, give all of us “more liberty” in the process.) As their process of “vetting” candidates, some tea party groups have required candidates to weigh in on the idea of repeal in questionnaires. And that’s where the trouble starts.

How about the attempt to repeal all or part of the 14th Amendment? Here is an interview between TPM and John McCain:

TPMDC asked, “Do you support the Minority Leader’s push for hearings into the repeal of birthright citizenship?”

“Sure, why not?” McCain said briefly.

“Do you support the idea itself?”

“I support the idea of having hearings,” McCain said.

“Do you have a problem with the 14th amendment?” another reporter asked.

“You’re changing the constitution of the United States,” McCain said. “I support the concept of holding hearings.”

“I support the concept of holding hearings,” McCain repeated, turning to the rail car conductor.

“Let’s go!” he snapped.

“I don’t have anything to add to that.”

While many who advocate for these ideas know that it is impossible to really repeal those, and it would be a major mess to do so, there is always that one mind who thinks that if it does not happen, then they government is not listening, and violence is called for. Potok of the SPLC was quoted by TPM as having said:

“When you look at the Internet material he purportedly produced, the first impression you get is that the 22-year-old now in custody for the shooting of 19 people in Tucson was completely out of his mind, or at least mildly deranged. His writings will be virtually impossible for most people to understand, what with his references to unexplained numbers, his fondness for weird syllogisms, his unexplained references and his apparent semi-literacy.”

“At this early stage, I think Loughner is probably best described as a mentally ill or unstable person who was influenced by the rhetoric and demonizing propaganda around him. Ideology may not explain why he allegedly killed, but it could help explain how he selected his target.”

The rhetoric has been to the extreme, and it has caused so many problems. While there has been some of this on the Left, often that has been condemned and squashed within hours or a day of it having been said. LGR played its part in putting a lid on the extreme rhetoric and calls for violence within the LGBT Community.

Those on the Right did not give the order, but they played a part in creating a situation where this happened. The reason why it was hard- impossible in fact- for the Right to blame Al Gore for the shooting at the Discovery Channel’s headquarters is because he never used militaristic rhetoric to defend the need for global climate change legislation the way that the Right have used it to defend their beliefs in the destruction of the Constitution, the return of the gold standard, and the abolition of the ‘PC Thought Police’.

There is a perception now that those who are violent on the Right have the tacit blessing of their side while those who are violent on the Left do not.

If the Right wants to make amends now, the best thing is to change the rhetoric, tone it down, and discuss these issues like a rational person.Lez Get Real Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade*

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting

How come? The shooter was a liberal Democrat Like you, you know.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-01-10   19:35:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rudgear (#1)

How come? The shooter was a liberal Democrat Like you, you know.

Wrong again, pinhead. Are you trying to set a new record for being totally wrong the most times in 24 hours? If so, you can quit because you've already done it.

"Jared Lee Loughner was a registered independent, didn't vote in 2010 election By Chris Cillizza

Suspected Tucson gunman Jared Lee Loughner registered as an independent voter in Arizona in the fall of 2006, according to the Pima County Registrar of Voters.

Loughner registered to vote on Sept. 29, 2006, identifying himself as an independent. Records show he voted in the 2006 and 2008 elections but is current listed as "inactive" on the state's voter roles -- meaning that he did not vote in November.

The political affiliations of Loughner, who is being charged by state and federal authorities with the shooting of Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D) as well as 19 other victims outside a Tucson grocery store on Saturday, have become the subject of a white-hot partisan debate in recent days.

In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, liberals sought to paint Loughner as an anti-government, tea party conservative. Conservatives retorted that Loughner lacked anything close to a coherent political philosophy -- a case strengthened by subsequent glimpses into his personal life that suggests someone struggling with mental illness.

Loughner's decision to affiliate as an independent rather than a Republican or Democrat would seem to affirm the sense that while he targeted Giffords in the attack, it was not a decision born of a set of deeply held political beliefs that fit neatly into either party." http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/house/jared-lee-loughner-was-a-regis.html

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-10   19:52:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Skip Intro (#3)

"Jared Lee Loughner was a registered independent, didn't vote in 2010 election By Chris Cillizza

Nice try. Who did he vote for in 2008,and why was he mad at the Congresswoman?

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-11   2:05:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#36)

Nice try. Who did he vote for in 2008,and why was he mad at the Congresswoman?

Unless he tells us, we're unlikely to know - secret ballot and all.

He was mad at the government, the Congresswoman represented government to him.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   9:31:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lucysmom (#38)

Unless he tells us, we're unlikely to know - secret ballot and all.

LOL! It's easy to see why you are a Dim.

He was mad at the government, the Congresswoman represented government to him.

He was mad at her for not being Dim enough.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-11   19:00:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#58)

He was mad at her for not being Dim enough.

Specifically, what do you base that on?

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   20:40:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#60)

He was mad at her for not being Dim enough.

Specifically, what do you base that on?

His own words.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-11   22:18:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: sneakypete (#64)

His own words.

Which words? Grammar? Dreaming? Do those words speak to you in some kind of code?

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-11   22:32:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: lucysmom (#65)

Which words? Grammar? Dreaming? Do those words speak to you in some kind of code?

How freaking stupid ARE you,anyway? YOU are the one using code,and you use some sort of special Dim Code to turn plain words into something impossible to understand.

Try "She didn't support Pelosi for Speaker,and she is dead to me."

The typical 3rd grader can understand those words.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-12   10:05:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: sneakypete (#66)

Try "She didn't support Pelosi for Speaker,and she is dead to me."

No results found for "She didn't support Pelosi for Speaker,and she is dead to me."

Why don't you just provide a link to whatever it is your talking about.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-12   11:23:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: lucysmom (#67)

Why don't you just provide a link to whatever it is your talking about.

Here is a link to the deleted Daily Kos page.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!

Here is a link to his face book page. Note the people he admires. I suspect they are the same people you admire.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8946/fb001.jpg

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-12   11:59:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: sneakypete (#69)

Here is a link to the deleted Daily Kos page.

Are you claiming Jerad is Blue Boy? It was Blue Boy who wrote "My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!", not Jerad.

by BoyBlue
Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST

EDIT NOTE: I initially deleted this diary out of sensitivity to the victims of Saturday's Tucson shooting, including my Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords, who is now courageously fighting for her life at UMC. I undeleted because this has been twisted and distorted by not only the right wing blogs, but also the mainstream media as an example of a vitriolic statement from the progressives that is somehow the equal of what Sarah Palin, Sharron Angle, Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Boortz, and other far-right stokers of vitriol, anger, and hatred have said and written. Which I believe can and does influence people, especially the already unstable to carry out acts of violence...perhaps even the exact shooting in Tucson on Saturday.

And didn't we already talk about the phrase "dead to me" meaning "disowned", not literal death?

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8946/fb001.jpg

I think that's one of them fake facebook pages this guy writes about

http://habledash.com/index.php?o...=47:latest-news&Itemid=65

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-12   12:22:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: lucysmom (#70)

And didn't we already talk about the phrase "dead to me" meaning "disowned", not literal death?

Yet "targeted for defeat" means murder them?

sneakypete  posted on  2011-01-12   17:05:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: sneakypete (#73)

Yet "targeted for defeat" means murder them?

When paired with an image of a gun sight (is that what Sarah is calling it today?) yes.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-01-12   19:03:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: lucysmom (#74)

When paired with an image of a gun sight

Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.

Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   15:38:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: no gnu taxes (#78)

Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.

He called her "Dead to me" and said he'd no longer support her. Not quite what you're implying there, Eric.

You are slightly better than your idiot cohort Rudgear, though, who keeps insisting that the shooter himself posted that.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-13   15:43:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Skip Intro (#79)

"Dead to me"

That's pretty strong language. Can prove Loughner didn't see that and get the idea to try and kill her because of it?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   16:11:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: no gnu taxes (#81)

Can prove Loughner didn't see that and get the idea to try and kill her because of it?

I see were back to the old birther tactic of demanding proof of a negative. Just plain stupid.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-13   16:17:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Skip Intro (#82)

And yet you moonbats are asking for proof that Palin's map markers are not the cause of the mass murder.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   16:23:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: no gnu taxes (#83)

And yet you moonbats are asking for proof that Palin's map markers are not the cause of the mass murder.

Where did I ask for proof about anything, padlock?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-01-13   16:25:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Skip Intro (#85)

What's the point of continuously bringing it up if you are not demanding proof of a negative?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-01-13   16:28:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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